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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:04:57 GMT
Both teams will have to play sweeper regardless I think. Kerry have to get good long ball into Donaghy not these stupid ballooners into the Air. He needs good quality ball. Mayo will have to drop somebody back to help out. Likewise Kerry will have to drop someone back to pick up a runner or we will be in trouble. I can't see Mayo starting O'Shea in Full Forward. I think he will be used out around the middle.
Kerry will have to inject pace into our half forward line I mean that's a must we can't start the same half forward line. I would just keep Buckley on the 40. Darren, O'Brien, Lyne are all options. O'Shea could be used as a third midfielder. We could also drop Buckley back there to counteract that. Bottom line is we need scores from our half forward line. Pick up the runners. Get quick ball into Donaghy. If we can achieve them then we'll win.
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 15, 2017 15:19:58 GMT
Both teams will have to play sweeper regardless I think. Kerry have to get good long ball into Donaghy not these stupid ballooners into the Air. He needs good quality ball. Mayo will have to drop somebody back to help out. Likewise Kerry will have to drop someone back to pick up a runner or we will be in trouble. I can't see Mayo starting O'Shea in Full Forward. I think he will be used out around the middle. Kerry will have to inject pace into our half forward line I mean that's a must we can't start the same half forward line. I would just keep Buckley on the 40. Darren, O'Brien, Lyne are all options. O'Shea could be used as a third midfielder. We could also drop Buckley back there to counteract that. Bottom line is we need scores from our half forward line. Pick up the runners. Get quick ball into Donaghy. If we can achieve them then we'll win. It must be a Kerry thing, but the closer I get to these games the more nervous I get, with all of the reasons why we won't win coming to the fore :-( From this forum I don't think I am alone :-) I agree on the injection of pace.. I think Donnacha could be in trouble, as the past couple of games he certainly seems to tire quicker than previous years, alas father time seems to be catching up with him.. It will be interesting if both Donnacha and Mikey keep their spots, I think if we are to prevail we need a more attacking minded 'attack'.. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 15:25:34 GMT
Some poster on here one time was lamenting the poor delivery into Donaghy in one game and reckoned that your average bride throwing her bouquet would do better.
The way to keep that Mayo half back line honest is to have a serious scoring threat in the Kerry half forward line...thats the way I would look at it. Geaney will be given a lot of attention and might be bottled up.
It's refreshing that Mayo are discussed in a serious and respectful manner. They deserve it.
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Post by veteran on Aug 15, 2017 15:57:19 GMT
Is it conceivable that Doncha Walsh has been described as a nasty player by a Mayo supporter on this forum. You should know sir that using Doncha Walsh and nasty in the same sentence is an unpardonable assault on the English language. No doubt you wonder why there is a curse on Mayo football. You have now extended that curse for another fifty years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 16:50:00 GMT
He's not a dirty player but he has slowed down a lot. Mayos half backs will attack and he just doesn't have the pace to keep up. He was found wanting in that department against Galway and it almost cost us. Still a good man to bring on late in the game. In my opinion that is the way I would use him especially if we are winning. A good man to hold and win possession late on.
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Post by tpo on Aug 15, 2017 17:20:55 GMT
100% START Donnacha,will keep marker honest
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 17:41:57 GMT
Both teams will have to play sweeper regardless I think. Kerry have to get good long ball into Donaghy not these stupid ballooners into the Air. He needs good quality ball. Mayo will have to drop somebody back to help out. Likewise Kerry will have to drop someone back to pick up a runner or we will be in trouble. I can't see Mayo starting O'Shea in Full Forward. I think he will be used out around the middle. Kerry will have to inject pace into our half forward line I mean that's a must we can't start the same half forward line. I would just keep Buckley on the 40. Darren, O'Brien, Lyne are all options. O'Shea could be used as a third midfielder. We could also drop Buckley back there to counteract that. Bottom line is we need scores from our half forward line. Pick up the runners. Get quick ball into Donaghy. If we can achieve them then we'll win. It must be a Kerry thing, but the closer I get to these games the more nervous I get, with all of the reasons why we won't win coming to the fore :-( From this forum I don't think I am alone :-) I agree on the injection of pace.. I think Donnacha could be in trouble, as the past couple of games he certainly seems to tire quicker than previous years, alas father time seems to be catching up with him.. It will be interesting if both Donnacha and Mikey keep their spots, I think if we are to prevail we need a more attacking minded 'attack'.. Donnacha' position is under no threat. No other Kerry player covers his yardage. He was very good v Galway. Mikey was quiet, but I'd have him in for first 40+ mins to run himself to a standstill, drain some of the life of their HB line. Then unleash O'Brien and Daz |
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Post by playitfair on Aug 15, 2017 19:03:27 GMT
I am surprised very few if any anticipate Kevin McCarthy will start. For me, he has to start, strong and quick. I feel he is one part of the jigsaw that has been uncovered in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 19:45:04 GMT
It must be a Kerry thing, but the closer I get to these games the more nervous I get, with all of the reasons why we won't win coming to the fore :-( From this forum I don't think I am alone :-) I agree on the injection of pace.. I think Donnacha could be in trouble, as the past couple of games he certainly seems to tire quicker than previous years, alas father time seems to be catching up with him.. It will be interesting if both Donnacha and Mikey keep their spots, I think if we are to prevail we need a more attacking minded 'attack'.. Donnacha' position is under no threat. No other Kerry player covers his yardage. He was very good v Galway. Mikey was quiet, but I'd have him in for first 40+ mins to run himself to a standstill, drain some of the life of their HB line. Then unleash O'Brien and Daz Very good v Galway no chance. He was caught for Pace on several occasions couldn't keep up to his man. He was better than Mike Geaney but I would not say very good. He's lucky to be on the team this year. Too slow. A good servant but not the player he was. |
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Post by peanuts on Aug 15, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
It must be a Kerry thing, but the closer I get to these games the more nervous I get, with all of the reasons why we won't win coming to the fore :-( From this forum I don't think I am alone :-) I agree on the injection of pace.. I think Donnacha could be in trouble, as the past couple of games he certainly seems to tire quicker than previous years, alas father time seems to be catching up with him.. It will be interesting if both Donnacha and Mikey keep their spots, I think if we are to prevail we need a more attacking minded 'attack'.. Donnacha' position is under no threat. No other Kerry player covers his yardage. He was very good v Galway. Mikey was quiet, but I'd have him in for first 40+ mins to run himself to a standstill, drain some of the life of their HB line. Then unleash O'Brien and Daz That seems to be Eamonn's thinking this year and I'd expect the same on Sunday. |
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Post by peanuts on Aug 15, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
Donnacha' position is under no threat. No other Kerry player covers his yardage. He was very good v Galway. Mikey was quiet, but I'd have him in for first 40+ mins to run himself to a standstill, drain some of the life of their HB line. Then unleash O'Brien and Daz Very good v Galway no chance. He was caught for Pace on several occasions couldn't keep up to his man. He was better than Mike Geaney but I would not say very good. He's lucky to be on the team this year. Too slow. A good servant but not the player he was. Donncha was done for pace once that I can remember in the game when Comer (I think) made that long run and had the goal chance. A Kerry back (Crowley I think) was also chasing back and couldn't catch Comer either but no mention is made of that. Donncha was excellent after half time when Galway had their best spell. He came out of defence with a couple of balls in a row that led to Kerry scores. He may be slowing down but I would be shocked if he doesn't start on Sunday. |
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Post by keane on Aug 15, 2017 20:08:20 GMT
It was Griffin who got done out in midfield when Comer won a high ball over his head, Donnchadh was coming back from the half forward line and couldn't catch him. He did however outrun Griffin on the way back. It's at 2:48 here:
Find it a bit harsh that Donnchadh bursting a gut to clean up someone else's mess and not quite managing it is thrown out as a reason to drop him now.
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Post by peanuts on Aug 15, 2017 20:43:35 GMT
It was Griffin who got done out in midfield when Comer won a high ball over his head, Donnchadh was coming back from the half forward line and couldn't catch him. He did however outrun Griffin on the way back. It's at 2:48 here: Find it a bit harsh that Donnchadh bursting a gut to clean up someone else's mess and not quite managing it is thrown out as a reason to drop him now. Thanks Keane |
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Post by southward on Aug 15, 2017 20:51:22 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 15, 2017 21:32:53 GMT
The fact of the matter is donaghy has being the 1 Kerry player who has done the most damage vs mayo over the last number of encounters. The fact that our fb situation is the weakest of all our positions has to be the biggest concern for mayo. However whoever marks him mayo will play a sweeper in and around him anyway. Mayo should have looked to putting aidan o shea at ff. If correct ball went into him Kerry might be forrced to play with a sweeper on him. He could if managed properly become more of a threat the KD at ff IMO but mayo will be more focused on stopping Kerry that on creating Kerry massive problems in their defence In fairness to Aido, when he is pushed right up, it's about the kind of ball going in, and him not getting isolated. In any case I couldn't see him staying up for long, he seems happier out the field a bit. Full forward roles are very specialised. |
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Post by augustafield on Aug 15, 2017 21:46:42 GMT
Aidan O Shea is the Mayo engine but as an engine with a lot of
mileage he splutters now and then . Strong when bursting through and
distracting the attention of a few opponents - not counting steps or going
up unimpeded at the throw in or hop balls . The longer this engine is expected
to keep going at the same speed the more it is inclined to splutter . So ?
Bring the engine on a tour of Croker - from end to end and sideline to sideline.
Limiting the capacity of that engine will delay the Mayo journey and may
well prevent it in reaching its destination.
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 22:08:06 GMT
Donnacha' position is under no threat. No other Kerry player covers his yardage. He was very good v Galway. Mikey was quiet, but I'd have him in for first 40+ mins to run himself to a standstill, drain some of the life of their HB line. Then unleash O'Brien and Daz Very good v Galway no chance. He was caught for Pace on several occasions couldn't keep up to his man. He was better than Mike Geaney but I would not say very good. He's lucky to be on the team this year. Too slow. A good servant but not the player he was. Have you watched the game back in detail? I agree he was outpaced on a couple of occasions, but sometimes a lad is just faster, simple as. He did a shed load of dirty work, when we were playing poorly, which was quite a bit. He was a major outlet when we were struggling to retain possession. He's a sum of parts player, that chips in with some key scores,and would not judge him specifically on pace, like I wouldn't with Big Bucks on same.The sum of his parts also far outweighs his pace limitations.Donnacha imo is exactly the type of attritional player we need for Mayo. |
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 22:12:54 GMT
Very good v Galway no chance. He was caught for Pace on several occasions couldn't keep up to his man. He was better than Mike Geaney but I would not say very good. He's lucky to be on the team this year. Too slow. A good servant but not the player he was. Have you watched the game back in detail? I agree he was outpaced on a couple of occasions, but sometimes a lad is just faster, simple as. He did a shed load of dirty work, when we were playing poorly, which was quite a bit. He was a major outlet when we were struggling to retain possession. He's a sum of parts player, that chips in with some key scores,and would not judge him specifically on pace, like I wouldn't with Big Bucks on same.The sum of his parts also far outweighs his pace limitations.Donnacha imo is exactly the type of attritional player we need for Mayo. I'd argue Donnacha has lost very little pace with age, speed was never in his armoury. Relentless stamina and continuos effort, continuously running lines where chances are not always likely to come to fruition. He's a nightmare to mark, never stops moving. |
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 22:19:55 GMT
Have you watched the game back in detail? I agree he was outpaced on a couple of occasions, but sometimes a lad is just faster, simple as. He did a shed load of dirty work, when we were playing poorly, which was quite a bit. He was a major outlet when we were struggling to retain possession. He's a sum of parts player, that chips in with some key scores,and would not judge him specifically on pace, like I wouldn't with Big Bucks on same.The sum of his parts also far outweighs his pace limitations.Donnacha imo is exactly the type of attritional player we need for Mayo. I'd argue Donnacha has lost very little pace with age, speed was never in his armoury. Relentless stamina and continuos effort, continuously running lines where chances are not always likely to come to fruition. He's a nightmare to mark, never stops moving. The two goals v Dublin in 2013 semi are perfect exhibits, where he wins penalty, but more specifically, Gooch's pop pass, Donnacha was on his bike as soon as free given. He dinks it past Cluk. His marker clearly switched off, probably thinking a tap over free. He looks and thinks 'Wtf is he going, oh 'flip''...goal. I think that goal sums him up perfectly |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 0:11:35 GMT
That goal is also from 2013. Long time ago. Not the same player.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 16, 2017 6:08:06 GMT
He didn't win a peno. He charged right into Cluxton, shoulder into his chest, Cluxton grabs Walshe as they fall, dopey ref and umpire decide penalty, obviously got all excited about the golden knights of the game putting it up to the fancy slickers.
Anyway bad mistake from Cluxton led up to that situation and Walshe's finish for his goal was class, nerveless. He is however dirty at times but gets a free pass. I've always felt he's one of those indespensible sort of players for Kerry.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 7:30:10 GMT
He didn't win a peno. He charged right into Cluxton, shoulder into his chest, Cluxton grabs Walshe as they fall, dopey ref and umpire decide penalty, obviously got all excited about the golden knights of the game putting it up to the fancy slickers. Anyway bad mistake from Cluxton led up to that situation and Walshe's finish for his goal was class, nerveless. He is however dirty at times but gets a free pass. I've always felt he's one of those indespensible sort of players for Kerry. Last time Dublin had to face Kerry without a ref living and working in Dublin |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 8:24:39 GMT
In fairness none of the Kerry half forward line that started v Galway would have stayed with Usain Bolt Coman on that run...
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 8:28:28 GMT
He didn't win a peno. He charged right into Cluxton, shoulder into his chest, Cluxton grabs Walshe as they fall, dopey ref and umpire decide penalty, obviously got all excited about the golden knights of the game putting it up to the fancy slickers. Anyway bad mistake from Cluxton led up to that situation and Walshe's finish for his goal was class, nerveless. He is however dirty at times but gets a free pass. I've always felt he's one of those indespensible sort of players for Kerry. Last time Dublin had to face Kerry without a ref living and working in Dublin That had to be rectified! |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 8:29:31 GMT
In fairness none of the Kerry half forward line that started v Galway would have stayed with Usain Bolt Coman on that run... I see Bolt has thrown the prospect of getting football trials out there. |
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Post by carthalawn on Aug 16, 2017 8:44:27 GMT
Walsh will start, a vital cog in how Fitz sets out his stall. Bench will be key on Sunday - having one of the best midfielders in the country to spring is a bouns for Kerry - very little debate about Maher in general. He may tip the scales on Sunday.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 16, 2017 8:55:43 GMT
I think Mayo might start Keegan in the middle. The defence did well the last day. Seamie O'Shea isnt having the best of years so he might make way. Be interesting to see if Kerry revert to the Maher / Moran axis as well.
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Post by fitz on Aug 16, 2017 9:39:20 GMT
That goal is also from 2013. Long time ago. Not the same player. The same player as when? I just don't see or can reflect on examples to correlate your point. If he wasn't doing the required job, and well, he wouldn't be in the 15. I didn't think Mikey played badly against Galway, as in with possession, one bad wide, but it was more his lack of involvement, it was hard to remember any impact he made in the game. I hope he's training well, I'd like him to start and do a horse load of grafting for about 40-45 mins, and pave the way for our impact scoring speed hounds, to come in and do damage. |
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Post by kerryboy83 on Aug 16, 2017 9:47:17 GMT
He didn't win a peno. He charged right into Cluxton, shoulder into his chest, Cluxton grabs Walshe as they fall, dopey ref and umpire decide penalty, obviously got all excited about the golden knights of the game putting it up to the fancy slickers. Anyway bad mistake from Cluxton led up to that situation and Walshe's finish for his goal was class, nerveless. He is however dirty at times but gets a free pass. I've always felt he's one of those indespensible sort of players for Kerry. I've seen it all now. A Dub complaining about a referee decision 😏😏😏😏 |
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Post by buck02 on Aug 16, 2017 10:06:08 GMT
The Kerryman is tipping Mayo. Apparently cos they could and should have beaten Kerry in 2014 and they have been to hell and back over the summer. If they get the chance again they wont blow it.
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