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Post by hurlingman on Jul 14, 2017 7:45:15 GMT
Was Diarmuid Murphy not sub Keeper a good number of years? As far as i remember he was only the sub keeper for 2/3 seasons. Was well into his 20's before he got his chamce but wasn't waiting for that long once he got on the panel
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 14, 2017 7:48:10 GMT
Kealy did win an all star in 2015 so hardly the worst call of eamonn's. Time will tell with Kelly but he was lucky in 2014 to get away with the mistakes he made Agree. O find it very odd how Kelly have never come in for the sort of stick Kealy has. A prime example being Kealy under high ball, yet Kelly is no better, 14 semi final being just one example of that, yet this never seemed to be talked about
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Post by glengael on Jul 14, 2017 9:56:24 GMT
Thank you to Brendan for the years of service he has given. I wish him all the best in his future on and off the field.
What is the breakdown of championship appearances between keepers since 2010? I'm sure someone as the stat.This is far from an ideal time to be losing an experienced player, not least given that neither of the Shanes has played senior with Kerry and might have to 'learn on the job' in Croke Park if anything untoward happens to Brian Kelly.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 14, 2017 9:59:56 GMT
I remember reading about twenty years ago that Peter Schmeicel attended a psychiatrist for a spell after a few howlers.
The sooner the GAA insist that all kickouts pass the 45 yard line the better. It should have been part of the "mark" change.
Watch Ruari Lavelle last week was not nice. Similarly with Hennelly in the replay last year.
Having the ability to kick a ball 55 or 60 yards from the 14 yard line is simply vital now. Cluxton can do that.
Even Cluxton cracks now and again and the dubs suddenly look like startled earwigs for a while.
In an amateur sport this is all too much.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 14, 2017 11:21:30 GMT
Even i could kick a ball 30 yards into a gale.
There might have to be exceptions made for under age
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Post by gbbuei on Jul 14, 2017 11:25:12 GMT
Was Diarmuid Murphy not sub Keeper a good number of years? As far as i remember he was only the sub keeper for 2/3 seasons. Was well into his 20's before he got his chamce but wasn't waiting for that long once he got on the panel Peter O'Leary might be a better example. Understudy to Charlie Nelligan, then in goals for a few years, then dropped for Peter O'Brien mid-Munster championship in '95, then Declan O'Keeffe got in for 1996, was back in goals for the League and League final in 1997 against Cork, then dropped again for Declan O'Keeffe in Munster championship then sub keeper again until he retired. Thanks to Brendan for his service to the green and gold and the time and commitment he has had to give at the expense of everything else in his life.
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Post by gbbuei on Jul 14, 2017 11:39:50 GMT
Thank you to Brendan for the years of service he has given. I wish him all the best in his future on and off the field. What is the breakdown of championship appearances between keepers since 2010? I'm sure someone as the stat.This is far from an ideal time to be losing an experienced player, not least given that neither of the Shanes has played senior with Kerry and might have to 'learn on the job' in Croke Park if anything untoward happens to Brian Kelly. Good question! From 2010 with the exception of 2014 and 2016 it's probably fair to say Brendan has been the constant. But going by last year and the way this year is going it seems to be that Brian had overtaken Brendan as first choice.
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Post by fitz on Jul 14, 2017 12:58:59 GMT
Just a thought, Brendan played the league final, during league they altered keeper every other match if memory serves. So Kelly has played 2 Championship matches v Clare and Cork. So Brendan hasn't played in 2 games? Of course other stuff could be happening behind the closed doors, but "lack of game time" seems extreme for missing two games? Fair?
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 14, 2017 13:05:44 GMT
Just a thought, Brendan played the league final, during league they altered keeper every other match if memory serves. So Kelly has played 2 Championship matches v Clare and Cork. So Brendan hasn't played in 2 games? Of course other stuff could be happening behind the closed doors, but "lack of game time" seems extreme for missing two games? Fair? This year i think he played all bar one of the league games. Also i think it's lack of game time in the championship he was talking about, as he hadn't played a championship game since 2015
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 14, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
I remember reading about twenty years ago that Peter Schmeicel attended a psychiatrist for a spell after a few howlers. The sooner the GAA insist that all kickouts pass the 45 yard line the better. It should have been part of the "mark" change. Watch Ruari Lavelle last week was not nice. Similarly with Hennelly in the replay last year. Having the ability to kick a ball 55 or 60 yards from the 14 yard line is simply vital now. Cluxton can do that. Even Cluxton cracks now and again and the dubs suddenly look like startled earwigs for a while. In an amateur sport this is all too much. Why?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 14, 2017 13:47:26 GMT
Rolling a kickout along the ground is a blight on the game and just increases the handpassing ...
Its turning into an athletics spectacle than a footballing spectacle.
The restarts are too quick too....we need to get back to high fielding in mid field etc.
Others will disagree i am sure...thats fine too
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 14, 2017 13:50:22 GMT
I remember reading about twenty years ago that Peter Schmeicel attended a psychiatrist for a spell after a few howlers. The sooner the GAA insist that all kickouts pass the 45 yard line the better. It should have been part of the "mark" change. Watch Ruari Lavelle last week was not nice. Similarly with Hennelly in the replay last year. Having the ability to kick a ball 55 or 60 yards from the 14 yard line is simply vital now. Cluxton can do that. Even Cluxton cracks now and again and the dubs suddenly look like startled earwigs for a while. In an amateur sport this is all too much. As people have already said you cant force lads to kick the ball to the 45. With weather conditions etc. If a team wants to go long let them If the don't they don't. The mark encourages you to go long if you think you have an advantage. You cant issue a diktat like that. Sure why don't we also make it mandatory for teams to line out in the traditional 3-3-2-3-3 formation. And the backs cant pass their own 45 and the ditto the forwards. Both midfield have to play within the 2 45 yard lines. Let a team play to whatever strengths they have. Be that kicking, handpassing or running the ball up the pitch.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 14, 2017 13:57:55 GMT
I wonder is the next evolution in the game to allow the option of the restart to be taken from the hand? It would speed up the game even more.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 14, 2017 14:20:22 GMT
I remember reading about twenty years ago that Peter Schmeicel attended a psychiatrist for a spell after a few howlers. The sooner the GAA insist that all kickouts pass the 45 yard line the better. It should have been part of the "mark" change. Watch Ruari Lavelle last week was not nice. Similarly with Hennelly in the replay last year. Having the ability to kick a ball 55 or 60 yards from the 14 yard line is simply vital now. Cluxton can do that. Even Cluxton cracks now and again and the dubs suddenly look like startled earwigs for a while. In an amateur sport this is all too much. As people have already said you cant force lads to kick the ball to the 45. With weather conditions etc. If a team wants to go long let them If the don't they don't. The mark encourages you to go long if you think you have an advantage. You cant issue a diktat like that. Sure why don't we also make it mandatory for teams to line out in the traditional 3-3-2-3-3 formation. And the backs cant pass their own 45 and the ditto the forwards. Both midfield have to play within the 2 45 yard lines. Let a team play to whatever strengths they have. Be that kicking, handpassing or running the ball up the pitch. Of course the GAA can make new rules. It happens all the time. Look at the penalty in hurling. It happens in Rugby and soccer too to make the games more attractive. Or safer. Remember in soccer when a player pass it back to the keeper who picked the ball up and wasted a minute before kicking it
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 14, 2017 18:28:17 GMT
I was probably a bit harsh on Kealy yesterday morning. I'm sure he talked it over with EF before walking. It might even suit EF as it might hasten his strategy of improving the keeper situation.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 14, 2017 23:26:12 GMT
As people have already said you cant force lads to kick the ball to the 45. With weather conditions etc. If a team wants to go long let them If the don't they don't. The mark encourages you to go long if you think you have an advantage. You cant issue a diktat like that. Sure why don't we also make it mandatory for teams to line out in the traditional 3-3-2-3-3 formation. And the backs cant pass their own 45 and the ditto the forwards. Both midfield have to play within the 2 45 yard lines. Let a team play to whatever strengths they have. Be that kicking, handpassing or running the ball up the pitch. Of course the GAA can make new rules. It happens all the time. Look at the penalty in hurling. It happens in Rugby and soccer too to make the games more attractive. Or safer. Remember in soccer when a player pass it back to the keeper who picked the ball up and wasted a minute before kicking it Exactly it happens to speed make the game more attractive, speed it up or even make it safer. Forcing he kick out beyond the 45 isn't going to do any of those. Just because the current style of football isn't to everyone's taste we can't go changing the rules. When Down i think it was in the 50's started moving players away from defending their 'zone' as it were it wasn't outlawed. Times change, tactics change. There is more high fielding already this year with the mark. No need to force teams to bang it long for the sake of it. Watch back some of the football matches from the 90's on YouTube when nearly every kick out was lamped out the middle. Apart from the odd catch, it was all lads mullocking around for a break. I think the short kick out has taken away the numerous scrums that used develop around midfield with lads trying to break ball all the time
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Post by joesouth on Jul 14, 2017 23:47:37 GMT
He played well against Tyrone in the 2015 semi-final. All the best to Brendan, family and club.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2017 10:22:22 GMT
Of course the GAA can make new rules. It happens all the time. Look at the penalty in hurling. It happens in Rugby and soccer too to make the games more attractive. Or safer. Remember in soccer when a player pass it back to the keeper who picked the ball up and wasted a minute before kicking it Exactly it happens to speed make the game more attractive, speed it up or even make it safer. Forcing he kick out beyond the 45 isn't going to do any of those. Just because the current style of football isn't to everyone's taste we can't go changing the rules. When Down i think it was in the 50's started moving players away from defending their 'zone' as it were it wasn't outlawed. Times change, tactics change. There is more high fielding already this year with the mark. No need to force teams to bang it long for the sake of it. Watch back some of the football matches from the 90's on YouTube when nearly every kick out was lamped out the middle. Apart from the odd catch, it was all lads mullocking around for a break. I think the short kick out has taken away the numerous scrums that used develop around midfield with lads trying to break ball all the time If the short kickout and incessent handpassing is your thing ...thats fine.... The mark is a great thing. But in my view they should have gone further and insisted on the kickout going beyond the 45.....and i would limit the number of players between the two 45s for kickouts too. The throw in at the start has just four players between the two 45s. The quick kickout makes the likes of Mark McHugh in his prime, far more valuable than the likes of Darragh (in his prime). There is something fundamentally flawed when that happens. Speeding the game up does not necessarily equate to quality. If that were the case Rugby union would scrap the scrum and go the rugby league route .... Anyway...you are entitled to your view and i have mine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
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Post by vintagerathmore on Jul 15, 2017 11:10:39 GMT
Well done to Brendan, must have been a tough decision. A tough spot to play in at the best of times!!! On a separate issue, does anyone know when the quarter final draw for the county champ takes place?
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Post by veteran on Jul 15, 2017 19:18:14 GMT
Rolling a kickout along the ground is a blight on the game and just increases the handpassing ... Its turning into an athletics spectacle than a footballing spectacle. The restarts are too quick too....we need to get back to high fielding in mid field etc. Others will disagree i am sure...thats fine too Like something I would have written myself,
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Post by mossie on Jul 16, 2017 21:02:37 GMT
Sometimes I think we are a bit too critical of our keepers in Kerry
Jez even Stephen Cluxton had made serious mistakes in big games but they tend to be forgotten as Dublin win anyway
Best of luck to Brendan Kealy.
A fine keeper. Gave great service
Some goalkeeping talent in East Kerry - The top 4 in the county are from the east division
Always was good keepers in that territory - Dan OKeefe, Johnny Culloty, Weeshie, Eamon Fitz, Peter OLeary, peter O'Brien, Kealy, Kelly, Murphy, Ryan and jez I nearly forgot Declan O'Keefe
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 17, 2017 7:51:16 GMT
Dan O'Keeffe was KOR...but the rest of your point is valid.
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Post by keane on Jul 17, 2017 9:57:05 GMT
Sometimes I think we are a bit too critical of our keepers in Kerry Jez even Stephen Cluxton had made serious mistakes in big games but they tend to be forgotten as Dublin win anyway Best of luck to Brendan Kealy. A fine keeper. Gave great service Some goalkeeping talent in East Kerry - The top 4 in the county are from the east division Always was good keepers in that territory - Dan OKeefe, Johnny Culloty, Weeshie, Eamon Fitz, Peter OLeary, peter O'Brien, Kealy, Kelly, Murphy, Ryan and jez I nearly forgot Declan O'Keefe Blasphemy
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Post by himself on Jul 17, 2017 10:04:44 GMT
Don't mean to be finicky but Paudie O'Mahony (Spa) fits on that list and Tommy Cooper of Legion. Best wishes to Brendan Kealy; personally I think he is doing the right thing. Eamonn Fitzmaurice definitely seems to be looking in Shane Ryan's direction, I expect that Brendan wishes to play with his friends and neighbours rather than sit on a bench for Kerry and be absent from his young child for long periods of time. I am only surmising, but I certainly think that I would feel that way.
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Post by mossie on Jul 17, 2017 22:42:50 GMT
Don't mean to be finicky but Paudie O'Mahony (Spa) fits on that list and Tommy Cooper of Legion. Best wishes to Brendan Kealy; personally I think he is doing the right thing. Eamonn Fitzmaurice definitely seems to be looking in Shane Ryan's direction, I expect that Brendan wishes to play with his friends and neighbours rather than sit on a bench for Kerry and be absent from his young child for long periods of time. I am only surmising, but I certainly think that I would feel that way. oh jez how did I forget Paudie. What era was Tommy Cooper?
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Post by mossie on Jul 17, 2017 22:43:45 GMT
Dan O'Keeffe was KOR...but the rest of your point is valid. KOR - really?! Hadnt he staunch Cork connections as well?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 18, 2017 1:12:17 GMT
Dan O'Keeffe was KOR...but the rest of your point is valid. KOR - really?! Hadnt he staunch Cork connections as well? He was born in Fermoy, I believe, and the family moved to Tralee when he was young. Another Cork-born goalkeeper from East Kerry is Killarney Legion's Weeshie Fogarty. Born in Mallow, his dad originally from the football part of Tipperary.
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Post by himself on Jul 18, 2017 8:47:10 GMT
Tommy was Kerry's sub keeper in the early fifties. After Johnny Culloty got a leg injury that curtailed him playing outfield for the county, Tommy Cooper was one of those who mentored him as a goalkeeper. Both Weeshie and Johnny remember him very fondly, a real gentleman from everything I've ever heard.
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