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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
Wondering what starting line-up would be best equipped to take on Cork. Probably one or two changes likely. This would be what I expect to start:- Brian Kelly. Fionn Fitzgerald. M. Griffin. Shane Enright. Peter Crowley. T. Morley. Paul Murphy. D. Moran - Jack Barry. M. Geaney. Kevin McCarthy. D. Walshe. J. Savage. Paul Geaney. J. O’Donoghue. A few changes for me - Kealy & Killian for Kelly & Fionn; Stephen O'Brien on the wing, Mickey Geaney on the "40" to the exclusion of Kevin Mac - cannot decide between Jack Savage or Star - good to have options!
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Post by mandad on Jun 23, 2017 15:09:02 GMT
I would have no argument about the merits of Killian as opposed to Fionn, or indeed the inclusion of Steve O’Brien. Both would be in my best 15. However, the starting 15 is a different thing. Crokes have the captaincy and Fionn has been lucky for Kerry in the past which might have an influence. Also, Kieran Donaghy will get game time and will have an impact either way.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2017 15:53:48 GMT
In the 2015 game, Cork targeted Stephen O Brien and his man (O Driscoll who got their last goal) had a field day attacking Kerry. Against Clare in the first half Kerry tried to keep 4 forwards up front all the time - McCarthy, BJK, Geaney and James. If they play similarly against Cork, I'd nearly have O'Brien in for BJK or McCarthy.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 23, 2017 16:44:15 GMT
I would have no argument about the merits of Killian as opposed to Fionn, or indeed the inclusion of Steve O’Brien. Both would be in my best 15. However, the starting 15 is a different thing. Crokes have the captaincy and Fionn has been lucky for Kerry in the past which might have an influence. Also, Kieran Donaghy will get game time and will have an impact either way. Fionn has lifted both Sam & NFL cups, not to be sneezed at!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 25, 2017 16:02:00 GMT
Cork will take little nuggets from any place this week. Last night a division 2 team Down beat the red hot favourites Monaghan a Division 1 team. Can Cork do a Down? Why the hell not? Only a fool would write off the chances of the rebels.
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 25, 2017 16:22:26 GMT
As there will be plenty of Kerry line ups appearing on this thread over the coming days it would be interesting and informative to see a potential Cork team.. Perhaps Delorean could help out there?
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Post by delorean on Jun 25, 2017 18:04:49 GMT
Hard to know, derry4sam. Depends whether he starts with experience and saves the young lads for later on, or vice versa. With absolutely zero confidence I would predict something like -
1. O'Halloran 2. Crowley 3. O'Sullivan 4. Loughrey 5. Tomas Clancy 6. Shields 7. Barry O'Driscoll 8. Alan O'Connor 9. Maguire 10. Powter 11. Collins 12. Connolly 13. Hurley 14. O'Neill 15. Kerrigan
Numbers on backs might not mean too much. Some of that might be wishful thinking too. Literally any two from Alan O'Connor, Walsh, Maguire and Deane could start in midfield. Wouldn't rule out the chances of any of the O'Driscoll brothers starting either. O'Neill would be lucky enough to hold his spot after the two previous outings and it wouldn't be a huge surprise if Donncha O'Connor, O'Rourke or Kelleher started either. It's about as far away from a settled side as you could possibly get I think.
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Jun 25, 2017 21:45:51 GMT
I see Paddy Power has Kerry at 1/7😨 Pure madness. You can NEVER write off Cork in a Munster final. It's 47 years since I first went to a Munster Final and there's never been a year where you could say 1/7 was fair odds. Even during the Golden Years era there was always the nagging feeling that Cork could spring something. Remember 1983 anyone?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 25, 2017 21:51:37 GMT
I see Paddy Power has Kerry at 1/7😨 Pure madness. You can NEVER write off Cork in a Munster final. It's 47 years since I first went to a Munster Final and there's never been a year where you could say 1/7 was fair odds. Even during the Golden Years era there was always the nagging feeling that Cork could spring something. Remember 1983 anyone?Yeah but 1983 was knock out....... winner takes all. The loser next Sunday avoids Mayo till the semi final. Hard to take the whole business seriously till the August weekend
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Jun 25, 2017 22:01:28 GMT
I see Paddy Power has Kerry at 1/7😨 Pure madness. You can NEVER write off Cork in a Munster final. It's 47 years since I first went to a Munster Final and there's never been a year where you could say 1/7 was fair odds. Even during the Golden Years era there was always the nagging feeling that Cork could spring something. Remember 1983 anyone?Yeah but 1983 was knock out....... winner takes all. The loser next Sunday avoids Mayo till the semi final. Hard to take the whole business seriously till the August weekend Yeah, but Cork will be taking it seriously. Look at how much beating Waterford in the hurling meant to them with the supporters jumping for joy in Thurles.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 26, 2017 9:10:33 GMT
Paddy Neilan will be the referee.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2017 9:13:35 GMT
Paddy Neilan will be the referee. I thought he struggled when he replaced Coldrick on Saturday night.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 26, 2017 9:15:28 GMT
Paddy Neilan will be the referee. I thought he struggled when he replaced Coldrick on Saturday night. Yea I thought the same. He let alot of things go in the second half, as he did in Tralee for the Dublin game.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2017 9:32:39 GMT
I thought he struggled when he replaced Coldrick on Saturday night. Yea I thought the same. He let alot of things go in the second half, as he did in Tralee for the Dublin game. It was a fella from Tyrone that reffed the game in Tralee. Neilan reffed the league final.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 26, 2017 9:39:37 GMT
Yea I thought the same. He let alot of things go in the second half, as he did in Tralee for the Dublin game. It was a fella from Tyrone that reffed the game in Tralee. Neilan reffed the league final. Sorry, you're right! He was harsh enough on Down towards the end.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2017 10:03:26 GMT
It was a fella from Tyrone that reffed the game in Tralee. Neilan reffed the league final. Sorry, you're right! He was harsh enough on Down towards the end. I felt the penalty was soft. But he gave a few frees against Down towards the end where he was letting that stuff go at the start of the 2nd half. Also cannot figure out how he missed Beggan picking the ball off the ground in the big square. Maybe to defend him, he was thrown in at the deep end and probably hadnt himself mentally prepared to be reffing the game.
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Post by delorean on Jun 26, 2017 11:00:16 GMT
The loser next Sunday avoids Mayo till the semi final. I don't think this is necessarily correct, Mick? As far as I can make out the loser could draw Mayo in the Round 4A qualifier.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 11:18:22 GMT
I would have no argument about the merits of Killian as opposed to Fionn, or indeed the inclusion of Steve O’Brien. Both would be in my best 15. However, the starting 15 is a different thing. Crokes have the captaincy and Fionn has been lucky for Kerry in the past which might have an influence. Also, Kieran Donaghy will get game time and will have an impact either way. How do mean lucky ?. If you actually go to games you would know Fionn has been playing well this year. For Club and County. Better than a lot of the fellas on this panel. Kealy is a better keeper than Kelly. Should be in there. The only way I could see Killian starting is if they move Murphy back into the Forwards. Which could happen. I would not go out with that same half forward line but he probably will. You could have arguments for Darren, Buckley, and O'Brien starting also. He probably won't change it too much.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2017 11:45:47 GMT
I agree with nacrocaigh on the Kelly/Kealy issue. I hope this isnt some ploy to keep a kickout strategy under wraps until the business end?
If Killian Young is fit I think Mark Griffin would be under most pressure to retain his place going on the Clare performance.
My six backs the next day would be Fionn, Killian, Enright, Crowley, Morley and Murphy. Moran and Barry midfield. O'Brien, Mikey Geaney and Donnchadh half forward line. McCarthy, Geaney and James O full forward line.
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Post by hugh20 on Jun 26, 2017 12:11:18 GMT
I like Mandad's backline, in fact it is a very strong half backline which could give us a platform for the year if it does not change constantly. Moran and Jack Barry midfield for me too. I don't think Johnny Buck is fully up to the pace of the game yet so I'm not I wouldn't consider him to start. I like BJK coming from the bench I feel this is where he is more effective. I would play Stephen O' Brien and Jack Savage as well as JOD and P. Geaney. One of either Donnchadh or M. Geaney. I don't see what Kevin Mc offers on the 40 from what I have seen in the last year or so but E Fitz will start him. Kevin McCarthy is a good player but I don't believe we will win an AI with him on the 40, there is a lack of creativity and guile there.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 26, 2017 20:45:38 GMT
I would have no argument about the merits of Killian as opposed to Fionn, or indeed the inclusion of Steve O’Brien. Both would be in my best 15. However, the starting 15 is a different thing. Crokes have the captaincy and Fionn has been lucky for Kerry in the past which might have an influence. Also, Kieran Donaghy will get game time and will have an impact either way. How do mean lucky ?. If you actually go to games you would know Fionn has been playing well this year. For Club and County. Better than a lot of the fellas on this panel. Kealy is a better keeper than Kelly. Should be in there. The only way I could see Killian starting is if they move Murphy back into the Forwards. Which could happen. I would not go out with that same half forward line but he probably will. You could have arguments for Darren, Buckley, and O'Brien starting also. He probably won't change it too much. Killian Young is 10 times a better defender and player than Fionn Fitzgerald
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 2:37:48 GMT
I don't think you're stupid. I just think you have bad luck when you quote somebody.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 6:16:53 GMT
How do mean lucky ?. If you actually go to games you would know Fionn has been playing well this year. For Club and County. Better than a lot of the fellas on this panel. Kealy is a better keeper than Kelly. Should be in there. The only way I could see Killian starting is if they move Murphy back into the Forwards. Which could happen. I would not go out with that same half forward line but he probably will. You could have arguments for Darren, Buckley, and O'Brien starting also. He probably won't change it too much. Killian Young is 10 times a better defender and player than Fionn Fitzgerald Thanks for your astute opinion, your well structured argument is compelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 11:32:19 GMT
I love Math. I'm not sure Tomas was it Newton or Einstein that said " Small minds discuss persons. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas. Really great minds discuss mathematics". Ok so lets solve it. So if Killian is 10 times a better defender and 10 times a better player then does that mean he's 100 times more Efficient...??. Wow I think I got it. So if Killian is 100 times more efficient then how is Fionn on the panel...?. He shouldn't be on the Crokes senior panel. What the F..K is Fitzmaurice doing picking Crokes B players and giving them captaincy. Jesus he's worse than I thought.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 27, 2017 12:10:33 GMT
I love Math. I'm not sure Tomas was it Newton or Einstein that said " Small minds discuss persons. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas. Really great minds discuss mathematics". Ok so lets solve it. So if Killian is 10 times a better defender and 10 times a better player then does that mean he's 100 times more Efficient...??. Wow I think I got it. So if Killian is 100 times more efficient then how is Fionn on the panel...?. He shouldn't be on the Crokes senior panel. What the F..K is Fitzmaurice doing picking Crokes B players and giving them captaincy. Jesus he's worse than I thought. Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. The words are attributed to social activist and former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 27, 2017 15:07:04 GMT
I see Paddy Power has Kerry at 1/7😨 Pure madness. You can NEVER write off Cork in a Munster final. It's 47 years since I first went to a Munster Final and there's never been a year where you could say 1/7 was fair odds. Even during the Golden Years era there was always the nagging feeling that Cork could spring something. Remember 1983 anyone? Kerry juniors also 1/7 playing away to Cork with a scratch team!
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Post by KY50 on Jun 27, 2017 15:51:36 GMT
Game will be very tight, a draw is not out of the question, if so will replay be in Killarney the following weekend [Saturday]
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 27, 2017 18:17:35 GMT
Game will be very tight, a draw is not out of the question, if so will replay be in Killarney the following weekend [Saturday] It won't be tight. It won't be anywhere near tight. Kerry by minimum 6 points.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 27, 2017 20:32:51 GMT
Jack Savage ruled out for Sunday - had an operation today for appendicitis. Brutal timing.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 27, 2017 20:36:22 GMT
Jack Savage ruled out for Sunday - had an operation today for appendicitis. Brutal timing. ` I'd imagine he'll be hard pressed to play any football for the rest of the summer. Had mine out many moons ago and I was weak as a kitten for a good bit after.
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