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Post by listowelemerrs on Jun 9, 2017 20:33:03 GMT
I actually like this team. Best half back line in the country without a doubt. The standard set by the starting players must be seriously high considering the talented young players are only on additional panel. Also I would love for our 3 inside forwards to finally click. They can form a lethal trio if they want to. Good lesson for Shannahan and Barry. Only assume they're not starting because they were not training as well as the lads that are starting. Simple.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 9, 2017 20:35:06 GMT
Serious panel developing which is positive - there will always be lads left out that we feel should be included. For me the keeper position is the main worry as neither have inspired consistently.
May we have a long summer following them.
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Post by veteran on Jun 9, 2017 21:07:08 GMT
I didn't expect so many changes. Disappointing that young players like Roman Shanahan and Jack Savage are demoted for this game.
I suspect that the selection of Anthony Maher over Jack Barry is a case of horses for courses. Clare have two very high fielding midfielders and perhaps it is felt that Anthony is stronger in the air than Jack Barry. I hope Anthony does try to field the ball rather than carelessly breaking it down is he tends to do of late.
Great to see James back.
Looking forward to seeing Brendan O'Sullivan playing in the junior game. Also interesting to seeing Tomas Mac an tSaoir in goals in that game. He was outstandimg for An Ghaeltacht in the comortas na peile final.
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Post by patinkerry on Jun 9, 2017 21:08:21 GMT
Brendan O Sullivan, Valentia, is named on the senior extended panel (not the team or subs) but also named on the junior team to play on Sunday. I thought if you were part of the senior team during the year that you couldn't play with the juniors??
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 9, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
Disappointing team. Very unprogressive.
There are a few obvious targets for Clare to focus on and I can see them being in it well into the second half.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 9, 2017 21:53:36 GMT
Brendan O Sullivan, Valentia, is named on the senior extended panel (not the team or subs) but also named on the junior team to play on Sunday. I thought if you were part of the senior team during the year that you couldn't play with the juniors?? If you didn't play intercounty senior c'ship last year or this year (starting or appeared as sub), you're eligible.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 9, 2017 22:45:51 GMT
Looks a bit like the team that was named for the League Final. Remember the two Jacks were named on the bench but started the match. Could we see something similar on Sunday or are we seeing the more established names being given a last chance to impress before the young guns take over their regular slots?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 10, 2017 2:43:23 GMT
Looking at it from the outside in you'd be thinking more 'possibles' should be getting a run and that we should be looking at finishing with the best 15 - now maybe we are but it doesn't look like it. I still think Éamonn & co know better though and going through that team, pondering on their individual potential as they mature, now maybe 'tis me, but I think we have a few right good years up ahead - it frightens me to think of what it would be like to be facing them. Still it is all relative and while I'd respect any team, the Dubs will be hard to crack this year. Mayo and Donegal are still interested in Sam too but it is hard enough to see beyond that and that that doesn't auger well. Though hurling wouldn't have near the player population there are more good teams about and while there is the sporadic/random factor, I do thing football should be doing better. There should be 2/3 serious enough contenders from each province and that there isn't poses the question, why now? I think a 'layering' structure whereby you'd have say 4 AI finals at various knockout stages in a given year would bring teams as it would give them something to play for. AH maybe the wrong time of year for such debate but it breaks my heart when I hear of the lack of interest by fellas in playing for their county.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 10, 2017 10:19:09 GMT
Competition must be keen inside when all those brilliant new league players didn't force their way into the team on the back of a great league final win. Also none of the u21s in the first 25 named. I'm not a big fan of this musical chairs thing that is going on in goals! It looks like a real weakness in the team at the moment.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 10, 2017 11:45:01 GMT
I really hope James O’Donoghue's injury nightmares are finally behind him and he can get a consistent run of games. Overall, am happy with the team selected. In the ideal world, I'd like another option for goalkeeper but we hope those trusted can improve and be consistent. The Kerry half forward line on paper is hard working and honest but they must provide a consistent scoring threat too and I think they will. Here's hoping for a long summer and we bring SAM home!
Come on the Kingdom!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 14:17:20 GMT
It will be good enough to get over Clare. Shane Ryan should be in goals. I don't know why Kelly is back in. He's not good enough for this level. He has been tried long enough. Ronan Shanhan a little unlucky not to start. He had a good league. I'm sure if Killian was fit Murphy would be center forward. Even though i don't agree with him as a forward. Jack Barry should start it would be a good game for him to get more experience. The half forward line is poor. Buckley and Darren should be there. Donnacha is a option off the bench at this stage of his career. Jack Savage should start. Barry John has been tried for years as a starter and it hasn't worked out. He is much better off the bench. I would have had Gavin White on the bench ahead of Lyne. He's going well for Crokes. If James O'Donoghue stays healthy and gets his form back along with Geaney they will cause serious trouble for any back line. If they get good supply of course.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 10, 2017 16:29:48 GMT
I've been very, very impressed with Gavin White- I'd like to have seen him in there too.
I guess this is the team and it should be good enough to win but I'm a bit disappointed with the selection
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Post by keane on Jun 10, 2017 17:53:16 GMT
Barry John has been tried for years as a starter and it hasn't worked out. He is much better off the bench. He has started two Championship games ever and scored 1-4 in them.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 10, 2017 20:47:37 GMT
Barry John has been tried for years as a starter and it hasn't worked out. He is much better off the bench. He has started two Championship games ever and scored 1-4 in them. Barry John has been one of the stand out players in the county championship - conversely, Ronan Shanahan has been poor for Stacks thus far.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 12:43:10 GMT
looks like the game can be seen here
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jun 11, 2017 14:23:38 GMT
jack barry replaces david morna in the starting team
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Post by keane on Jun 11, 2017 17:38:13 GMT
Gutsy stuff in the second half. Thought we were in big, big trouble. James was buzzing, had that bit of swagger about him that we haven't seen in a while. Crowley was sensational. O'Brien had a big impact off the bench.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 11, 2017 18:41:03 GMT
Padraic Hughes' interpretation of what is a black card and a yellow card is fairly á la carte.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 11, 2017 18:43:21 GMT
Padraic Hughes' interpretation of what is a black card and a yellow card is fairly á la carte. Bad enough in itself and frustrating to watch but absolutely crazy when one considers the potential impact from card accumulation as the season progresses.
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Post by southward on Jun 11, 2017 19:01:16 GMT
Padraic Hughes' interpretation of what is a black card and a yellow card is fairly á la carte. You'd swear it was a dirty game if you looked at the number of cards given out. It was far from it.
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Post by southward on Jun 11, 2017 19:08:50 GMT
Thank God for the covered terrace today; it was pretty miserable at times. Not a bad little ground at all.
Things didn't look great at half-time. Not playing well, a man down and with the wind to face. Thoughts of "I'd take a draw right now" taking hold.
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Post by athletics on Jun 11, 2017 22:34:29 GMT
Was in Ennis today but just wondering can the game or highlights be seen anywhere? Thanks
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Post by glengael on Jun 11, 2017 23:09:28 GMT
An interesting afternoon. Jameso was crucial. Midfield is in trouble sans Moran. What is his injury? Peter Crowley was limping badly by the end. Cusack park is a tight ground - the graveyard of many a team. Clare should trouble a few teams in the qualifiers.
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Post by playitfair on Jun 12, 2017 6:33:58 GMT
An interesting afternoon. Jameso was crucial. Midfield is in trouble sans Moran. What is his injury? Peter Crowley was limping badly by the end. Cusack park is a tight ground - the graveyard of many a team. Clare should trouble a few teams in the qualifiers. I thought Maher was very good. They are not many better midfield pairings that O'Connor and Brennan.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 12, 2017 8:00:12 GMT
Great goal by Stephen O'Brien. If Diarmuid Connolly scored a goal like that the Evening Herald would have a supplement about it every week for the next year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 12, 2017 8:14:29 GMT
An awful start compounded by the poor conditions. Clare were very tight with O'Donoghue and Geaney getting a nice bit of attention off the ball. Midfield was non-existent in the first half, Maher and Barry really only came into it in the second half. Barry John again failed to produce when given a chance from the start. Clare kicked some good scores but I have to say that Hughes was appalling for both sides. He consistently failed to allow advantage. His interpretation of the black and yellow cards was not correct in my view. I thought that Donnchadh was very unlucky to pick up a second yellow. A Clare player blatantly touched the ball on the ground in the lead up to the penalty.
I had a feeling at half-time that Clare wouldn't be brave enough with the extra man and that's the way it turned out. Kerry showed great desire and guts against the wind in the second half. The movement was quicker and slicker. O'Donoghue was superb, man of the match by a distance.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 12, 2017 8:22:01 GMT
The most pleasing aspect of this game for me was the players that decided to grab the game by the scruff of the neck were Murphy, Crowley, O Brien and James Donoghue. I think last year they would have been waiting around for the likes of Mahony, Gooch and David Moran to drag them out of a tough place.
It was a decent test and a perfect way to prepare for the Munster Final.
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Post by homerj on Jun 12, 2017 9:02:15 GMT
worrying yet satisfactory at the same time.
we wont win an all-ireland with that half forward line, we have serious issues in it and its our weakest line.
but we are up and running and its job done. much better test than last years game and cork will rise to the occasion to put up a serious battle against us the next time also.
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Post by veteran on Jun 12, 2017 10:11:01 GMT
Kerry 1-18 Clare 1-12 HT 0-8 1-5
At half time, I was thinking about 1992. When Clare struck for two quick points on the resumption, memories of that year became more vivid and more painful. For people who were not there, do not be fooled by fellows telling you that we always looked the winners after about ten minutes of the second half. This game was not decided until Stephen O'Brien's wonder goal which came very late in the game. Only then did the 1992 nightmare recede, for me anyway.
For the major part of the first half Clare flew and we floundered. On and off the ball we were being dominated and indeed bullied. In most positions we were struggling. The honourable exception was that slab of granite from Killorglin. Almost singlehandedly he kept us afloat when Clare threatened to over run us during that rocky first half. He defended and surged and did it from post to pillar. Because of that fierce consistent endeavour I would probably give him top ranking ahead of James, who scintillated 2014 style for most of the game.
Our problems, I suppose, started at midfield where we struggled particularly in the first half , with only a marginal improvement in the second half. Clare of course half one of the strongest midfield partnership in the country and David Moran not starting compounded our problems. Either way, the lively Clare forwards was making life difficult for our backs, particularly for Fionn and Mark Griffin. Then the fan was really struck by debris when Doncha clumsily tackled one of the forwards in the square. A penalty was the correct decision, one of the few correct decisions by awful referee Padraig Hughes. The very impressive David Tubridy, more than a handful for Mark Griffin all through, expertly converted. Very soon, Clare tacked on another point and were leading by five by about twenty minutes in, playing against the wind. And you wonder why I thought about 1992! I thought about it more forcefully shortly afterwards when Doncha got his second yellow. An abominable decision but fittingly issued by an abominable referee. This man dispensed yellow cards for the merest contact but yet funked issuing black ones for clear cut cases. How much did it cost to bring this man and his coterie of umpires down form Armagh to dominate a football match?
Clare started the second half where they left off and added two quick points. But it was then Kerry shook off the lethargy. Peter Crowley continued his immense contribution. He was now well supported by an equally tigerish Paul Murphy and Mark Griffin also became a little more prominent. Jack Barry made a few runs from midfield. The forwards were still finding it difficult because Clare now had an extra man at the back. He acted as their nominal sweeper but was more often delegated to double up on Paul Geaney. Speaking of Paul, he was continually manhandled off and on the ball but whistle/card mad referee turned a blind eye to this issue. Referees are a unique species. Nevertheless, progress was made. Stephen added a whiff of danger , Jack Savage added some poise, Paul occupied the attentions of two and James dazzled and scored. But Clare were not lying down and if Jamie Malone's pile driver had not hit the crossbar what would have been the outcome? In any case , as already stated Stephen's dancing feet signed off on the deal. It was a severe test and some Kerry players failed the test and some of them not for the first time.
Brian Kelly was faultless for the penalty but was lucky to be saved by the cross bar late in the game. Fionn struggled for most of the game. Mark Griffin became more prominent as the game aged. Shane Enright looked unsure at times and badly needed this game. Tadhg Morley didn't catch the eye but was competent.
Midfield was a disappointment with Jack Barry marginally the better of the two. Anthony Maher is clearly rusty and I felt he should have been replaced earlier.
Not for the first time, we did not have a stitch of a half forward line. Kevin McCarthy never got involved and he probably is more suited to a role further in but there is no vacancy inside. I must concede I have never been a fan of Michael Geaney. I do not think he is intercounty standard, on a consistent basis at least. Yesterday's game was another example of where he was more observer than participant. Now EF says he goes on what he sees in training. I suppose that is a reasonable approach and perhaps players like Michael and BJK and others are burning it up Fitzgerald Stadium behind closed doors but surely one needs be cognizant of what a player is likely to do when the serious stuff starts.
I thought management was slow in reacting to what was evolving yesterday. We had a very strong and experienced bench but the only change at half time was replacing BJK. Clearly, midfield for example was seriously malfunctioning but we were well into the second half before that issue was addressed. All the lads who were eventually brought on made an impact.
In summary, we were amazingly poor in the first half but it has to be said that with fourteen men and against the wind the players spectacularly dug themselves out of an early championship grave. It confirms that there is loads of ability within the team and they will benefit from this rigorous test. But why, as we witnessed several times during the NFL, the inconsistency not alone between games but withing games? One piece of advice I would give management, if I may to do so, is start with your best available team and do not wait until a game is slipping to make switches/changes.
P.S. If Brendan O'Sullivan and his family were worrying about his stature in Kerry following his flight of foolishness they have been banished after yesterday's junior game. Brendan was replaced in the second half due to an injury and as he was coming off he got a standing ovation from the Kerry supporters in the stand. Put it to back of your mind now Brendan and get on with the football and on the evidence of what you produced in the first half yesterday there is plenty football within that rugged frame.
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Post by Joxer on Jun 12, 2017 10:12:29 GMT
This was a good tough test (gone are the days of taking Clare for granted and I think most of us know that)and a good performance in my opinion primarily for the reason and the individuals named by Buck02.It was a game for men to stand up and lead the way and stand up and lead they did. Peter Crowley was for me the outstanding player on the field followed by James O'D, Paul Geaney, Stephen O'B and Paul Murphy, with others not far behind. I was more pleased with this performance than I was with the equivalent game in Kerry last year even though the margin of victory was wider last year. We have work to do certainly but we also have the players to do it. A good start to the championship...hopefully, we'll keep building now towards September!
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