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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 19, 2017 15:00:44 GMT
From watching Sunday Game it appears that Kildare have developed the ability to kick points. Interesting to see how they get in against Dubs or Westmeath. I'd be very wary of relying on TSG, they had a fair chunk of wides - they had 10 wides by half-time, and a fair few more in the 2nd half. They also won a huge chunk of Meath's kickouts, yet O'Rourke kept booming them down the middle all game long. No way will that happen against the Dubs. I thought Meath's attack was very poor - between running headlessly into tackles and kicking in poor quality ball, the made it very easy for the Kildare defence. Kildare definitely have made serious progress - they look like a proper team and were well set up and organised in defence [worlds apart from when we played them in 2015 when they were wide open at the back and the defence were like statues they were so stuck to the ground], I just think that Meath were very poor on the day and miles away from offering anything like the challenge that Dublin will. Yes, exactly; this why I wrote "from watching the Sunday Game". They don't show the wides but some of the scores suggested confidence was up.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 19, 2017 15:17:28 GMT
Kildare's shooting was still a bit erratic on Saturday- they hit some poor wides and took a good few panic shots. However they have definitely improved and the how they are set up/their tactical gameplan has improved immensely.
They are still a bit off the Dubs, about 7/8 points in my opinion, but at least there is some kind of challenge building in Leinster.
Meath were awful- looked like a team who were just told to go out and play but given no additional instruction- their only threat came from the centre forward trying to run straight through the middle and they offered little.
It genuinely was akin to watching a Senior club team play a Junior club team as Kildare were so much better in every facet of the game yet didnt seem to over exert themselves.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 19, 2017 16:52:03 GMT
It's been a while since I recognised so few Tyrone names, there's at least half I wouldn't be able to pick out of a line-up, that'll change I'm sure between now and September.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 19, 2017 20:32:02 GMT
How far will Tyrone get? They are due to meet the Dubs in the semi if both progress am I right? I was surprised that Donegal were so hotly tipped on TSG against them.
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Post by bannerman on Jun 19, 2017 20:51:47 GMT
Those apes on terrace talk have not a clue Tim said no matter what happened Kildare in Leinster final they guaranteed all ireland 1/4 spot John Kennedy agreed Sure that total garbage Loser provincial finals enter qualifiers in round before 1/4's
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 19, 2017 21:13:04 GMT
How far will Tyrone get? They are due to meet the Dubs in the semi if both progress am I right? I was surprised that Donegal were so hotly tipped on TSG against them. The Ulster Final will be no procession.
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Post by beantownfan on Jun 19, 2017 22:35:54 GMT
Those apes on terrace talk have not a clue Tim said no matter what happened Kildare in Leinster final they guaranteed all ireland 1/4 spot John Kennedy agreed Sure that total garbage Loser provincial finals enter qualifiers in round before 1/4's They're gas men! 4 provincial winners plus loser doesn't leave much room in the quarters for the qualifying teams! ... Terrace Talk can be pretty hit or miss! :-)
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 22:53:03 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 22:57:25 GMT
Those apes on terrace talk have not a clue Tim said no matter what happened Kildare in Leinster final they guaranteed all ireland 1/4 spot John Kennedy agreed Sure that total garbage Loser provincial finals enter qualifiers in round before 1/4's They're gas men! 4 provincial winners plus loser doesn't leave much room in the quarters for the qualifying teams! ... Terrace Talk can be pretty hit or miss! :-) Which pot do the beaten Ulster finalist go into, A or B?
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Post by Dermot on Jun 20, 2017 10:35:13 GMT
Wow ... ... thats as good a performance by a Tyrone team as ive seen in a long time..
We're a more dangerous outfit when we arent kicking 18 wides per game !!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 20, 2017 12:32:05 GMT
The Lillies are improved,good midfield, the test of their point-taking will as ever be when under real pressure. Meath remain brutal. I think Westmeath will push Dublin more closely than previous IF they go with the right tactics.
Galway will probably benefit from their 21s losing that final. Tyrone will also need to show they can kick those scores when they play a team of real intensity as well as organisation. But neither they nor Monaghan will be really distracted by the Ulster title this year, for both only reaching an All I fnal will be minimum serious progress.
Tyrone's record over Monaghan means that you could read almost anything and not alot into the outcome of and when they meet. But Tyrone's U21 experience trumps Monaghan. But Monaghan have 2 very proven top class forwards, and are getting goals against very good backlines
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Post by delorean on Jun 20, 2017 13:48:18 GMT
I'm sure there is some sound logic that I'm overlooking, but why would Galway benefit from losing the U-21 final?
I think an All Ireland semi final would be an excellent result for Monaghan, especially if it's on the back of a third Ulster title in five years. They haven't been in the last four since 1988 I believe?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2017 16:26:15 GMT
Wow ... ... thats as good a performance by a Tyrone team as ive seen in a long time.. We're a more dangerous outfit when we arent kicking 18 wides per game !!! Was it in early 2017 or during 2016 that you told us confidently that Tyrone would win the All Ireland!!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
They're gas men! 4 provincial winners plus loser doesn't leave much room in the quarters for the qualifying teams! ... Terrace Talk can be pretty hit or miss! :-) Which pot do the beaten Ulster finalist go into, A or B? Last year it was ulster v connaght and munster v leinster .... Tipp lost the munster final and beat Derry i think in qualifier and ended up drawing the Connaght champs Galway in QFs...and they beat them...so they effectively took the shoes of connaght champs against a backdoor team namely Mayo in the semi final. All of this points to.....losing provincial finalists are a wild card that can play anyone depending on the draw between losing provincial finalists and the four teams coming through the qualifiers. But i am not certain...
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Post by yourholiness on Jun 20, 2017 17:20:29 GMT
Which pot do the beaten Ulster finalist go into, A or B? Last year it was ulster v connaght and munster v leinster .... Tipp lost the munster final and beat Derry i think in qualifier and ended up drawing the Connaght champs Galway in QFs...and they beat them...so they effectively took the shoes of connaght champs against a backdoor team namely Mayo in the semi final. All of this points to.....losing provincial finalists are a wild card that can play anyone depending on the draw between losing provincial finalists and the four teams coming through the qualifiers. But i am not certain... I'm equally unsure but I thought the provincial losers were assigned a side of the draw ( a or b ) beforehand but repeated fixtures were precluded .
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Post by yourholiness on Jun 20, 2017 17:57:28 GMT
Round 4A - Fixtures on July 22 (Draw on July 10)
Each of the two teams defeated in the Provincial Finals (Connacht, Munster) shall play against one of the two winners of Round 3A.
So it is predetermined .
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Post by Dermot on Jun 20, 2017 20:19:47 GMT
Wow ... ... thats as good a performance by a Tyrone team as ive seen in a long time.. We're a more dangerous outfit when we arent kicking 18 wides per game !!! Was it in early 2017 or during 2016 that you told us confidently that Tyrone would win the All Ireland!! Well remembered MM ... That was in Jan this year ... mind you I got a bit more pessimistic later on when we started hitting a multitude of wides again ... "hopefully" we keep our shooting boots on as we would be hard to beat playing the way we did on Sunday .... my prediction could come in yet ... along with my bets 🤗 .... 🤞
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Post by thebluepanther on Jun 20, 2017 21:00:15 GMT
They're gas men! 4 provincial winners plus loser doesn't leave much room in the quarters for the qualifying teams! ... Terrace Talk can be pretty hit or miss! :-) Which pot do the beaten Ulster finalist go into, A or B? Pot B . They will play a game against one of the two remaining teams that are left in pot B . If they win that game their is good chance they could play the Dubs (if we can win Leinster) in the quarter finals
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 20, 2017 21:17:36 GMT
So the draw is shaping up
(A) Kerry/Cork, Galway/Ros & Mayo-Donegal
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(B) Dublin/Kildare, Tyrone/Monaghan/Down (Westmeath)
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 20, 2017 21:44:55 GMT
So the draw is shaping up (A) Kerry/Cork, Galway/Ros & Mayo-Donegal versus (B) Dublin/Kildare, Tyrone/Monaghan/Down (Westmeath) If Galway beat Roscommon in Connaught then the Munster champions will be playing Mayo in the 1/4 final providing Mayo win their qualifiers which I expect they will.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 20, 2017 21:50:31 GMT
So the draw is shaping up (A) Kerry/Cork, Galway/Ros & Mayo-Donegal versus (B) Dublin/Kildare, Tyrone/Monaghan/Down (Westmeath) If Galway beat Roscommon in Connaught then the Munster champions will be playing Mayo in the 1/4 final providing Mayo win their qualifiers which I expect they will. That won't be easy! Galway will give Donegal a fair rattle in that other potential quarter final. We're assuming Kerry beat Cork, always a degree of danger in that presumption..........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 22:05:02 GMT
I don't think the draw is as simple as what people are saying here. If Kerry win Munster I think we can play any team on the A side of the draw except cork. All things being equal, you would expect it to be a mayo or Donegal but they could meet each other first.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2017 22:53:48 GMT
2004 Westmeath v Dublin
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 20, 2017 23:10:16 GMT
I'm sure there is some sound logic that I'm overlooking, but why would Galway benefit from losing the U-21 final? I think an All Ireland semi final would be an excellent result for Monaghan, especially if it's on the back of a third Ulster title in five years. They haven't been in the last four since 1988 I believe? Because there's a bit too much hype around their county sides recently and winning u-21 often doesn't produce alot of top senior players or not enough to get a team that can win a Snr All I. I think they got too hyped after beating Kerry, and will have learned a bit more by losing the final. The other issue for them is of course they are operating at the highest level in Hurling the last few years with a real chance of at least one All I. I agree about Monaghan assuming they meet a top 3 side in the semi-final. And even then I think they'd feel very disappointed if they didn't push a top 3 side all the way. Of course they may end up getting a shot at Dublin in the Qtr final. I assume at this stage they can't slip into the other side of the draw? Still confused about how it works.....
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 21, 2017 7:03:10 GMT
I don't think the draw is as simple as what people are saying here. If Kerry win Munster I think we can play any team on the A side of the draw except cork. All things being equal, you would expect it to be a mayo or Donegal but they could meet each other first. You think all these posts are making it simple??????? i don't bother anymore - Que sera, sera. Based on all reasonable prediction we can't meet Dublin before the final. That's the big one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 7:18:05 GMT
Don't misinterpret my post. It was pretty straightforward . The post was in response to one saying we would likely be playing mayo. That is not correct.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2017 8:24:00 GMT
That young lad in goals for Galway from Inisbofin could be Galways achilles heel going by his performance v Mayo
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Post by buck02 on Jun 21, 2017 8:35:37 GMT
The 4 winners of the round 2a games (probably Mayo, Clare, Meath & Donegal) will play each other in round 3a with the two teams left playing probably Cork and Roscommon in Round 4a. If Mayo and Donegal are kept apart in R3a, you would expect those two to come through to play Kerry and Galway in the 1/4 finals. Lots of ifs and buts of course.
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Post by keane on Jun 21, 2017 9:10:09 GMT
The 4 winners of the round 2a games (probably Mayo, Clare, Meath & Donegal) will play each other in round 3a with the two teams left playing probably Cork and Roscommon in Round 4a. If Mayo and Donegal are kept apart in R3a, you would expect those two to come through to play Kerry and Galway in the 1/4 finals. Lots of ifs and buts of course. This is correct. To restate the final piece of the puzzle for those who haven't followed it, in this situation Galway and Mayo won't be drawn to play one another again, so the only fixture that can be made will be Mayo vs Kerry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 10:57:45 GMT
The 4 winners of the round 2a games (probably Mayo, Clare, Meath & Donegal) will play each other in round 3a with the two teams left playing probably Cork and Roscommon in Round 4a. If Mayo and Donegal are kept apart in R3a, you would expect those two to come through to play Kerry and Galway in the 1/4 finals. Lots of ifs and buts of course. This is correct. To restate the final piece of the puzzle for those who haven't followed it, in this situation Galway and Mayo won't be drawn to play one another again, so the only fixture that can be made will be Mayo vs Kerry. Why can't mayo play Galway? Kerry played Clare last year. Has the rule changed?
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