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Post by kerrygold on Jun 17, 2017 17:06:18 GMT
Sky gone off with Meath v Kildare, ffs, it could be a very good game to watch.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2017 19:14:20 GMT
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Post by southward on Jun 17, 2017 20:09:08 GMT
The best analogy I can draw Mick, imagine Dubs fans coming on here nodding sagely that the bould Noel O'Leary is a fantastic lad great player really knows how to mark Galvin out of a game, lets give him player of the year this year! You get it now? Ah now, Noelie POTY? They'd want to be on some drugs to think that lol. Keegan, scut though he is, has some football in him at least. O'Leary was just there to keep the numbers on the pitch down and nothing else.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
Anyone would be mistaken for thinking that this forum voted in the POTY
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2017 20:40:11 GMT
Kildare power into first Leinster final in eight years Updated / Saturday, 17 Jun 2017 20:47 5 Dr
Cathal McNally's first-half goal put Kildare on their way to a surprisingly routine victory in Tullamore, securing a Leinster SFC final clash with Dublin or Westmeath next month.
Cian O'Neill's in-form side jumped onto the front foot early on, thanks to 1-03 from McNally inside just 20 minutes, and cruised from there to the July 16 final.
It will be Kildare's first appearance in the provincial decider since 2009 when they ran Dublin to within three points and a rematch of that final will be expected at Croke Park.
Full-forward Daniel Flynn was excellent for the Lilies also and finished with 1-04 including a late goal while ex-soccer professional Kevin Feely lorded it at midfield, making three 'Marks' and scoring five points overall.
There were several cameos in Kildare's defence too where full-back Mick O'Grady excelled in what was a generally slick performance from the side promoted to Division 1 during spring.
But Meath supporters in the 12,702 strong crowd could hardly believe what they were witnessing as their team slumped to a nine-point half-time deficit and must fear what's coming in the qualifiers.
Andy McEntee's Royals had hit Louth for 0-27 in the quarter-finals but looked flat footed and bereft of ideas going forward this time.
O'Grady and Tommy Moolick put their bodies on the line early on, summing up Kildare's greater desire, and took a couple big hits to keep Meath to restrict four first-half points.
Feely formed a formidable partnership again with Moolick at midfield and both players registered a 'Mark' which led to Kildare points.
Feely and ex-Aussie Rules player Paddy Brophy hit two first-half points each as Meath's defence was pulled this way and that.
McNally got Kildare on the front foot with his 13th minute goal when he latched onto David Hyland's long ball in, slipped away from Donnacha Tobin, and drove past Paddy O'Rourke.
By the 19th minute McNally had claimed 1-03 from play including a brilliant point from the left wing.
It told a tale of the lack of cut and thrust in the game that the game's first free-kick wasn't awarded until the 14th minute and Meath didn't force a free until the 23rd minute.
James Toher actually opened the scoring for Meath after just 12 seconds but they only added three more points, two of which came from Donal Lenihan, and trailed 1-10 to 0-04 at the break.
Meath responded with four points in a row after the restart to hint at a revival. Lenihan hit two of those and sub Ruairi O Coileain got the other two to cut Kildare's lead down to 1-10 to 0-8.
But that was as good as it got as Kildare pulled clear again with points from Feely and Flynn which extended their lead.
Eamonn Callaghan added a point after coming on and Flynn got the goal his excellent performance deserved when he flicked to the net in the 68th minute after David Slattery's ball in.
Kildare: M Donnellan; M O'Grady, O Lyons, D Hyland; K Cribbin, E Doyle, J Byrne; K Feely (0-05, 0-04f), T Moolick; F Conway, N Kelly, D Slattery; C McNally (1-03), D Flynn (1-04), P Brophy (0-02).
Subs: E Callaghan (0-01) for Brophy 49, F Dowling for Moolick 59, C Healy for McNally 61, P Kelly for Hyland 65, N Flynn (0-01, 0-01f) for Byrne 69, E Bolton for Doyle 69.
Meath: P O'Rourke; C McGill, D Keogan, D Tobin; P Harnan, M Burke (0-01), S McEntee (0-01); B Menton (0-02), R Jones; J Toher (0-01), C O'Sullivan, E Wallace; G Reilly, B McMahon, D Lenihan (0-05, 0-02f).
Subs: J McEntee for Toher 28, R O Coileain (0-03) for Wallace h/t, B Conlon for Jones 47, T O'Reilly for McMahon 51, S Tobin for Reilly 56, A Douglas for O'Sullivan 69.
Referee: J McQuillan (Cavan)
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Post by MeathExile on Jun 17, 2017 23:50:01 GMT
Its simple guys - teams realised that Galvin was easy to wind up. Dermo is even easier. Players like this become liabilities in the long run.
As regards Philly and J Cooper - Philly is now on refs radar, and JC will follow. My late father always said you need a a couple of N Kerry lad who were able to dish it out to win Sam. He was right - every successful team needs a couple of lads at the back who can do this, and this will continue as long as the rules allow it.
Although eye-gouging is a step too far for me. The Tyrone goalie stooped to this as well back in the noughties, and the worst I have seen was Ricey biting Gooch in the neck on the ground in front of the Cusack. I was in Dungannon the day Ricey checked out Galvins goolies - crazy stuff, and embarrassing for the perpetrators when they look back over their careers.
Ultimately, the manager sets the bar for what is ok to do on the pitch. I have a great regard for All Ireland winning managers in general, but Boylan and Harte for me allowed too much stuff to go on. Gavin is now entering that category - would be a shame to tarnish a great record with too much of this stuff going on, and I think it is not in his nature. I would hope that he was influential in stopping the Dermo appeal, as it was very bad optics for Dublin in general.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2017 10:33:28 GMT
Donegal v tyrone .....two roads diverge today....the winner enters the dublin side of the draw...the loser enters the kerry mayo side of the draw as far as i can make out....
Last year was a stand off for about 45 minutes and then a brilliant finish with Tyrone kicking the sort of points that they couldnt repeat later on. Impossible to call ....but i am leaning towards Donegal
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2017 10:38:18 GMT
Hard to know if either Donegal or Tyrone are contenders, I suspect Tyrone don't have the forwards. It will be interesting to see if Kildare get within 6-8 points of Dublin in the Leinster final.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jun 18, 2017 14:32:15 GMT
Did not expect that today. How impressive were Tyrone? They looked pretty awesome if you ask me and look like genuine AI contenders.
Remember they also had the measure of the Dubs in the league.
Donegal serious lack of leadership.
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Post by playitfair on Jun 18, 2017 18:18:29 GMT
I wonder have donegal suffered by pushing their u21s so hard earlier in the year.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 18, 2017 20:19:43 GMT
I wonder have donegal suffered by pushing their u21s so hard earlier in the year. Absolutely not. It served our u21s well until there was a glut of fixtures at the end of April and beginning of May but ultimately they gained valuable experience. The problem with us today was no plan b at all. Simply because we hadnt the players to compete with Tyrone. In fairness to Tyrone, they were very impressive winners today. They have practiced their long range shooting and dont even look at the posts when they are scoring. I fancy them to have a good rattle at it this year.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2017 20:28:00 GMT
Remorseless Tyrone make short work of Donegal
Keith Duggan in Clones
Tyrone 1-21 Donegal 1-12
And then the dam burst. After a decade defined by a tough and claustrophobic battles between these fierce rivals, the best of Tyrone flooded through Donegal’s defence and, worse, through their minds on another tar-melter of a day in Clones. For 20 minutes, this was a brilliant game of football and then Tyrone just slipped into a gear - a high summer register - with which this young Donegal team could not cope. In the first half, Tyrone beat their old rivals with a series of breathtaking points from distance, with Niall Sludden’s pair the pick of the bunch. Early in the second half, they rubbed salt into the wound when Tiernan McCann galloped through on goal with nothing except the ghosts of the old Donegal defence to halt him. Thereafter, they owned the day and sent out a clear message of their All-Ireland intentions.
Mickey Harte’s team should have had three goals here and might well have had five. It was a masterful performance by a team that Harte has built with painstaking precision and patience during the Donegal revolution. Everything fell into place and it was magisterial. It was also, as someone in the crowd of 22,609 remarked as they applauded the Red Hand players in the hot sun-shine, “some scutchin’.”
Impressive “I wouldn’t call it perfect,” smiled Mickey Harte afterwards, declining the compliment. But it was plain to see that the great Errigal strategist was pleased with his boys here.”I think it was impressive, at times, but at other times we made plenty of errors that we need to tidy up on. We gave them a bit of a run in the middle of the second half, when they closed the gap with a goal and created a few more goal chances - if some of those had gone in, or their first half goal chance, the complexion of the game could have been so, so different.
“It’s easy to sit now and look at the scoreboard and think we had an easy day out - no, we hadn’t. We actually worked very hard for 45-55 minutes and that made the last 15 or 20 not as tense as it might otherwise have been. We worked ourselves into that position to be able to see out the game comfortably, but if you reflect on the video evidence there’s still plenty of things we could tidy up on.”
He sounded like he was trying to convince himself here. Everything worked for Tyrone. Padraig Hampsey’s match-up on Michael Murphy finished in a man of the match award for the Coalisland man. Tyrone ruined Donegal when they pushed up on Niall Morgan’s kickout. Colm Cavanagh put in a Footballer of the Year type performance; even after the energy had ebbed from the day he was to be seen plucking a huge ball from his own goal line. It wasn’t just a win: it was a thorough ransacking of everything Donegal had built up over the league. But for three brilliant saves by goalkeeper Mark Anthony McGinley, this day could have become an embarrassment.
Down 0-12 to 0-5 at half time, any prospect of comeback ended when McCann took a handpass from fullback Ronan McNamee and simply cut through a flimsy line of Donegal cover.
“The game petered out after that,” said Rory Gallagher. “We showed a lack of fight as well which was disappointing. It is hard to tell [WHY]. We were not that naïve to think that we would land into Ulster and play the Tyrones of this world and hit the ground running. It is a big step-up from league and we are aware of that. We have a very young team. It does not make it any easier today but it is something we have to learn from.”
Nightmarish
This will be the first time in seven summers Donegal will not appear in an Ulster final. The lingering doubts about the inexperience of their team materialised in a nightmarish way. The boys of spring - Ciaran Thompson, Jamie Brennan and Eoin McHugh - were washed away in the Tyrone currents. Donegal made no secret of their ambition to become a high-scoring side: they were stuck on 0-6 after 55 minutes and struggling to get a shot off.
And they were eerily compliant, allowing the Tyrone men to move the ball and make decisions in their own good time. So for all of Tyrone’s strengths, it was clear that Donegal were playing through a huge collective malfunction. In the dry heat of Clones, they lost their bearings and there was nothing to do but play out time.
A Tyrone move in the 55th minute illustrated this. A hesitant Donegal attack was quickly transformed into a turnover and foul. From the free, Colm Cavanagh stood in front of the Gerry Arthurs stands, blissfully unmarked. Niall Morgan pinged a ball to him. Sean, the brother, arrived in support, bust through the covering tackle and played in Rory Brennan, Tyrone’s speed merchant through. Just three players obliterated Donegal’s cover and Brennan cut through on goal, the Clones crowd rising in bloodlust and urging him on. He was denied by McGinley and Donegal scrambled clear. But it was obvious that their minds were addled and their bodies tired. This, for the youngsters, was that thing everyone had spoken about: championship. This was that bogeyman of their youth: Tyrone.
Tyrone: 1 N Morgan (0-1, 1 45),; 2 A McCrory, 3 R McNamee, 22 C McCarron; 5 T McCann (1-1), 15 M Donnelly (0-2), 4 P Hampsey (0-2); 8 C Cavanagh, 9 C McCann; 10 K McGeary (0-3), 11 N Sludden (0-4), 7 P Harte (0-2); 25 D Mulgrew (0-1), 14 S Cavanagh (0-1 free), 13 M Bradley (0-2). Substitutes: 6 R Brennan for 25 D Mulgrew (48 mins), 21 D McClure (0-1) for 9 C McCann (51 mins), 26 R O’Neill (0-1) for 14 S Cavanagh (57 mins), 22 D McCurry for M Bradley (48 mins black card) 24 C McShane for 10 K McGeary (58 mins), 23 J McMahon for 7 Harte (70 mins).
Donegal: 1 MA McGinley; 2 P McGrath, 3 N McGee, 6 F McGlynn; 11 M Reilly (0-1), 5 R McHugh, 4 E B Gallagher, 8 J McGee, 14 M Murphy (0-3, 2 50s); 10 M Carroll (1-0), 18 E McHugh, 9 C Thompson; 13 P McBrearty (0-6, 4 frees), 12 J Brennan, 22 E Doherty. Substitutes: 17 K Lacey for 8 J McGee (32 mins), 15 H McFadden (0-1)for 12 J Brennan (half-time) , 21 M McElhinney for 6 F McGlynn (half-time), 23 C Mulligan for 9 C Thompson (38 mins), 19 C Gillespie for 22 E Doherty (49 mins), 20 M Langan (0-1) or 18 E McHugh (61 mins). Referee: D Gough (Meath).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 19, 2017 1:57:37 GMT
Did not expect that today. How impressive were Tyrone? They looked pretty awesome if you ask me and look like genuine AI contenders. Remember they also had the measure of the Dubs in the league. Donegal serious lack of leadership. Wasn't there and didn't read 'experts' apart from TSG, the BBC coverage is more in the moment/spirit of it and Oisin McCconville is probably the best Ulster TV analyst. The Donegals I chatted with are disappointed that the League Championship gap was so wide in their showing and it would appear that the retirements factor is now hitting home, the rebuilding looked to be redone in the league but maybe also trained too hard too soon. All thi9ngs considered I would now be less worried about Tyrone as they were good only when they had their own way as TSG showed. Now they will improve but they lack a few real stalwarts that it takes to claim Sam. Ulster is entertaining with a lot of teams of similar grade but hard to see Sam coming up here any time soon. Murphy threw in the towel and that is telling others including fans that the show is over for today. Management and I include Murphy in that, will be under pressure -Donegal is a county of exceptional sporting pedigree across the entire spectrum - soccer, boxing, karate, athletics ..... you name it. And while they'd be all smiles, their least favourite hobby is making up the numbers - even when they have no chance they get so overly disappointed, admirable in ways and a hard one to explain, well hard to understand really. Maybe it is that they border on obsession with sports and that has only dawned on me. I suppose the rebuild will take time and quiet a few wouldn't be fans of Rory, some because he is from Fermanagh while others think he is not of county manager material. While he is no Jim McGuinness I would say he is no worse than managers between Jim and Brian McEniff, but none of them won Sam. Still Jim only won one and the day of winning without a top manager are long gone. Maybe the root of it is, can Murphy's player/manager input close that gap? Sometimes that partnership struggles and then there is then reliance on Michael - if anything happened him they are history, ah well maybe if he was on the sideline might be an exception? Just said I'd give a Kerryman view from Ulster.
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Post by southward on Jun 19, 2017 8:17:07 GMT
Qualifier draw...
Mayo v Derry Laois v Clare Meath v Sligo Donegal v Longford
First named teams at home.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 19, 2017 8:41:27 GMT
Cian O Neill was often the target of some spiteful comments during his term with Kerry. The fact he wasnt a Kerryman made him an easy target I felt.
I liked the look of his Kildare team on Saturday night, albeit Meath were poor. Back to back promotions and a Leinster final this year isnt bad going for O'Neill.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 9:09:09 GMT
Cian O Neill was often the target of some spiteful comments during his term with Kerry. The fact he wasnt a Kerryman made him an easy target I felt. I liked the look of his Kildare team on Saturday night, albeit Meath were poor. Back to back promotions and a Leinster final this year isnt bad going for O'Neill. Kildare looked very impressive at the weekend, much better than when poorly losing to Westmeath in last years semi final. It will be interesting to see how good Tyrone actually turn out to be this year. They were very poor in Killarney in the recent NFL game.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 19, 2017 9:32:50 GMT
Cian O Neill was often the target of some spiteful comments during his term with Kerry. The fact he wasnt a Kerryman made him an easy target I felt. I liked the look of his Kildare team on Saturday night, albeit Meath were poor. Back to back promotions and a Leinster final this year isnt bad going for O'Neill. Was he? I domt remember any major personal attacks on him! I dont think he was singled out for criticism any more than others
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 19, 2017 10:59:50 GMT
Cian O Neill was often the target of some spiteful comments during his term with Kerry. The fact he wasnt a Kerryman made him an easy target I felt. I liked the look of his Kildare team on Saturday night, albeit Meath were poor. Back to back promotions and a Leinster final this year isnt bad going for O'Neill. Was he? I domt remember any major personal attacks on him! I dont think he was singled out for criticism any more than others My perception is that he shipped quite a bit of criticism, especially following the 2015 final.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 19, 2017 13:07:33 GMT
Was he? I domt remember any major personal attacks on him! I dont think he was singled out for criticism any more than others My perception is that he shipped quite a bit of criticism, especially following the 2015 final. I'm not debating that he did- I live outside the county and have done for over a decade now and I just hadn't come across the fact that he had. I thought he did a very good job with Kerry and improved our tackling quite a bit- something which is evident with his new charges
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Post by buck02 on Jun 19, 2017 13:17:38 GMT
My perception is that he shipped quite a bit of criticism, especially following the 2015 final. I'm debating that he did- I live outside the county and have done for over a decade now and I just hadn't come across the fact that he had.I thought he did a very good job with Kerry and improved our tackling quite a bit- something which is evident with his new charges I heard it often at games. After games in watering holes. There was a lot of comments on this forum. A few times on Terrace Talk, the 'experts' had a go. A lot of it was along the lines of 'who is this spoofer from Kildare in Fitz's ear and a legend like Mikey Sheehy sitting up in the stand'.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 19, 2017 13:20:31 GMT
Paul Galvin certainly wasn't too complimentary about him.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 19, 2017 13:34:35 GMT
He is top dog now in Kildare which is a totally different ballgame.
I wonder whose bright idea was it to replace Paul Geaney and JOD in the 2015 final. And not start Darren who was in flying form in previous games. Diarmaid Murphy didnt look a happy camper that day.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 13:36:04 GMT
This could grow legs and gain serious traction if Kildare lower the Dubs in the Leinster final! By the reckoning of some of the brighter sparks on here Kildare must now be considered the second best team in Leinster at the moment?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 19, 2017 13:42:06 GMT
I'm debating that he did- I live outside the county and have done for over a decade now and I just hadn't come across the fact that he had.I thought he did a very good job with Kerry and improved our tackling quite a bit- something which is evident with his new charges I heard it often at games. After games in watering holes. There was a lot of comments on this forum. A few times on Terrace Talk, the 'experts' had a go. A lot of it was along the lines of 'who is this spoofer from Kildare in Fitz's ear and a legend like Mikey Sheehy sitting up in the stand'. I meant to say that I was not debating that he had!!
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Post by buck02 on Jun 19, 2017 13:56:53 GMT
This could grow legs and gain serious traction if Kildare lower the Dubs in the Leinster final! By the reckoning of some of the brighter sparks on here Kildare must now be considered the second best team in Leinster at the moment?In fairness, that isnt much to be shouting about. Clare and Tipp would beat most teams in Leinster. Hell, Cork would even beat most teams in Leinster.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 19, 2017 14:03:40 GMT
From watching Sunday Game it appears that Kildare have developed the ability to kick points.
Interesting to see how they get in against Dubs or Westmeath.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 19, 2017 14:10:36 GMT
From watching Sunday Game it appears that Kildare have developed the ability to kick points. Interesting to see how they get in against Dubs or Westmeath. I'd be very wary of relying on TSG, they had a fair chunk of wides - they had 10 wides by half-time, and a fair few more in the 2nd half. They also won a huge chunk of Meath's kickouts, yet O'Rourke kept booming them down the middle all game long. No way will that happen against the Dubs. I thought Meath's attack was very poor - between running headlessly into tackles and kicking in poor quality ball, the made it very easy for the Kildare defence. Kildare definitely have made serious progress - they look like a proper team and were well set up and organised in defence [worlds apart from when we played them in 2015 when they were wide open at the back and the defence were like statues they were so stuck to the ground], I just think that Meath were very poor on the day and miles away from offering anything like the challenge that Dublin will.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 19, 2017 14:15:48 GMT
From watching Sunday Game it appears that Kildare have developed the ability to kick points. Interesting to see how they get in against Dubs or Westmeath. I'd be very wary of relying on TSG, they had a fair chunk of wides - they had 10 wides by half-time, and a fair few more in the 2nd half. They also won a huge chunk of Meath's kickouts, yet O'Rourke kept booming them down the middle all game long. No way will that happen against the Dubs. I thought Meath's attack was very poor - between running headlessly into tackles and kicking in poor quality ball, the made it very easy for the Kildare defence. Bang on the money. Meath's kickouts had no strategy other than to boom them long down the middle. They offered nothing going forward. Graham Reilly is often talked up but did FA again the last evening.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 14:18:37 GMT
Meath and Laois are septic at the moment, however Kildare look to have improved this year.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2017 14:21:56 GMT
From watching Sunday Game it appears that Kildare have developed the ability to kick points. Interesting to see how they get in against Dubs or Westmeath. I'd be very wary of relying on TSG, they had a fair chunk of wides - they had 10 wides by half-time, and a fair few more in the 2nd half. They also won a huge chunk of Meath's kickouts, yet O'Rourke kept booming them down the middle all game long. No way will that happen against the Dubs. I thought Meath's attack was very poor - between running headlessly into tackles and kicking in poor quality ball, the made it very easy for the Kildare defence. Kildare definitely have made serious progress - they look like a proper team and were well set up and organised in defence [worlds apart from when we played them in 2015 when they were wide open at the back and the defence were like statues they were so stuck to the ground], I just think that Meath were very poor on the day and miles away from offering anything like the challenge that Dublin will. 6-8 point defeat to the Dubs in a competitive 70 minutes would benchmark their progress.
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