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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2017 14:30:21 GMT
Kerry v Dublin the 1985 All Ireland final is on Eir Sport 1 at the moment, if anyone is interested.It's nearly half time. It's a great series from Eir Sport. It is very good. And to see how the game has developed in the last 30 years is extraordinary. The Kerry-Clare game really was horrendous football. The Leitrim-Mayo game was equally poor standard. On another note, funny how Eir/Setanta got relatively no grief for showing Pay Per View GAA games (which they have been doing for years now) and Sky got absolutely lambasted. Is it cos there is a perception that they are an "Irish" company I wonder.
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Post by keane on Jul 24, 2017 14:48:36 GMT
Are they just putting on random old games?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2017 14:57:30 GMT
Are they just putting on random old games? Yeah. I dont watch the hurling but have seen Kerry-Dublin 1985, Meath v Mayo 96 replay, Leitrim-Mayo 94?, Clare-Kerry 92 to name but a few over the last few weeks. It was either that or watch Love Island.
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Post by keane on Jul 24, 2017 15:03:47 GMT
Are they just putting on random old games? Yeah. I dont watch the hurling but have seen Kerry-Dublin 1985, Meath v Mayo 96 replay, Leitrim-Mayo 94?, Clare-Kerry 92 to name but a few over the last few weeks. It was either that or watch Love Island. It was too much to hope to get through the day without hearing about that *ing garbage!
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 24, 2017 15:06:47 GMT
Was at the Waterford in the Pairc today. Have to say the stadium is very impressive. Even though I know Fitzgerald stadium only got a revamp a few years ago this place looks light years ahead. considering cork spent about €70million and Killarney about €3m, youd bloody well hope so!
be interesting to see what happens if/when Ireland get the RWC 2023 in terms of development of Killarney. it would need serious serious investment - toilets, seating behind the goals, stand would probably be knocked and one similiar to PUC built. in that sense, when you compare Killarney to alot of the other grounds, its miles behind. Cork initially budgeted €68 million - this was the figure they announced when they made their planning application. Back in November of 2015, the county board admitted the cost had increased to €78 million. Since then there have been a lot of further issues with the project which would have increased the cost - those in the know suggest that the minimum it will cost will be €85 million and could be pushing close to the €90 million mark. When one of the club delegates asked about the current cost at the last county board meeting, the top table basically told them it was none of their business and they were being rude asking such questions. There's also various aspects of the project which have been put on the long finger because the Cork County Board didn't want to delay opening again - at the moment there are only floodlights on one side of the stadium, there is something called a score detection system as they couldn't afford to put the proper Hawkeye in, there is no giant screen which is pretty much standard for any new stadium. The fact is that the project ran close enough to €20 million over-budget with the opening day deadline missed, and even then there are a fair few bits and pieces yet to be completed which says a lot about the ability of those in charge of the project. Don't be surprised if the Cork Board do everything in their ability to keep the focus away from the actual finances of the project.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2017 15:56:18 GMT
It's a great series from Eir Sport. It is very good. And to see how the game has developed in the last 30 years is extraordinary. The Kerry-Clare game really was horrendous football. The Leitrim-Mayo game was equally poor standard. On another note, funny how Eir/Setanta got relatively no grief for showing Pay Per View GAA games (which they have been doing for years now) and Sky got absolutely lambasted. Is it cos there is a perception that they are an "Irish" company I wonder. Who really gives a * about missing pay per view NFL games?
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 24, 2017 16:02:24 GMT
Are they just putting on random old games? Yeah. I dont watch the hurling but have seen Kerry-Dublin 1985, Meath v Mayo 96 replay, Leitrim-Mayo 94?, Clare-Kerry 92 to name but a few over the last few weeks. It was either that or watch Love Island. This week they're showing Clare v Offaly 1998 drawn game, Dub v Mayo 2013 Final, Armagh v Tyrone 2005 Semi and Cork v Kilkenny 1983 Final.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2017 17:17:34 GMT
It is very good. And to see how the game has developed in the last 30 years is extraordinary. The Kerry-Clare game really was horrendous football. The Leitrim-Mayo game was equally poor standard. On another note, funny how Eir/Setanta got relatively no grief for showing Pay Per View GAA games (which they have been doing for years now) and Sky got absolutely lambasted. Is it cos there is a perception that they are an "Irish" company I wonder. Who really gives a * about missing pay per view NFL games? Carlow v Monaghan on Sky in July. Kerry v Dublin on Eir in March. Which would draw more viewers?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2017 17:36:09 GMT
Who really gives a * about missing pay per view NFL games? Carlow v Monaghan on Sky in July. Kerry v Dublin on Eir in March. Which would draw more viewers? Not relevant. Saturday night NFL has never been screened live in the past. People want to see Cork v Mayo in July in the championship.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 24, 2017 18:03:30 GMT
I had a setanta subscription for the NFL games.
I have Sky Sports subscription for Championship games and some other sports. (Can't remember when I last watched a Premiership match)
I got them so I wouldn't have to go to the Pub to watch games. My decision.
I won't take out a subscription with eir because I have had serious issues with that company which I wont bore you with, but if an other company had the NFL games I would probably subscribe.
I would prefer not to have to pay but that's not the world we live in.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2017 19:34:20 GMT
Carlow v Monaghan on Sky in July. Kerry v Dublin on Eir in March. Which would draw more viewers? Not relevant. Saturday night NFL has never been screened live in the past. People want to see Cork v Mayo in July in the championship. Not relevant? Your telling me people didn't want to see Kerry try end the Dubs unbeaten run in March. Seriously? You didn't complain about missing Carlow v Monaghan last week did you? In the past, the didn't screen provincial finals live so this auld guff is a bit like the people who won't pay for their bins to be collected cos they didn't in the past.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 24, 2017 20:55:36 GMT
The standard of football in alot of championship games has declined, whilst in he league it has improved. The speed and fitness etc in the summer remains well ahead of the spring but the gap has closed, the drier pitches obviously make a difference. And of course knockout games will always be more attractive than routine league games. But there are more very one-sided games in championship, and lots more BS surrounding them. One of the things I enjoy most about the league is just to be able to enjoy the games and proper coverage and debate without all the nonsense and circus that you have to endure in summer.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2017 22:12:39 GMT
Not relevant. Saturday night NFL has never been screened live in the past. People want to see Cork v Mayo in July in the championship. Not relevant? Your telling me people didn't want to see Kerry try end the Dubs unbeaten run in March. Seriously? You didn't complain about missing Carlow v Monaghan last week did you? In the past, the didn't screen provincial finals live so this auld guff is a bit like the people who won't pay for their bins to be collected cos they didn't in the past. Your correct, I didn't complain about Monaghan v Carlow because I was working and didn't have time to watch it. Getting to Saturday games is not possible at this time of year, watching them on TV is hard enough also on Saturdays. As for the guff about the bins, well, I don't pay for those either, recycling and composting is more environmentally friendly and sustainable. I don't and won't support pay per view in the amateur GAA setting. The GAA doesn't need the Sky deal.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2017 22:32:51 GMT
Interest expressed in vacant Killarney hospital Monday, July 24, 2017 Anne Lucey A local authority has expressed a “strategic interest” in acquiring a vacant HSE-owned hospital.
Kerry Co Council is also negotiating for a land surplus at the 30-acre St Finan’s Hospital in Killarney.
However, the council has not given any firm commitment to acquire the Harry Potter-type grey limestone building that has dramatic views over Killarney’s lakes and fells. The Victorian building, one of the best designed of its kind and listed for preservation, will be disposed of to the private sector if no state agency agrees to take it over, the HSE confirmed. It is one of 15 HSE buildings vacant in the old health board region of Cork and Kerry.
The council’s “interest” emerged amid increasing calls for a full-time standalone third level tourism college-cum-training hotel in the country’s oldest tourist town.
President of the local Soroptimists, hotelier Emer Moynihan said a Killarney tourism college would help establish and root a year-round industry in the town.
Cllr Michael Cahill has already pressed the council to lobby for a range of improvements for the tourism industry, and suggested St Finan’s should be considered as a third level college.
Killarney-based Cllr Michael Gleeson said. as well as a tourism college, the building which once housed 1,000 patients, and staff should be looked at for a variety of uses.
“Since 1852, St Finan’s played an economic role in Killarney and now, before it’s too late, a new and vibrant role should be found for it,” he said, hinting at apartments for single or elderly people or a day centre for Alzheimer’s’ patients.
“There are very few who would wish to see the building transferred to private ownership,” Cllr Gleeson said, indicating he would back its use as a centre of excellence for the hotel and catering industry, also.
“I do not want to see St Finan’s end up in private hands,” he added.
An Taisce has decribed the building as “the most architecturally distinguished of the 19th-century Irish mental hospitals, to the design of Sir Thomas Deane”.
“The strongly-modelled architectural composition with triple-gabled central block and long multi-gabled wings with later additions is an attractive example of use of local stone with limestone dressings,” An Taisce architects said in a statement. They found the building fabric to be generally sound, and its overall condition does not necessarily place it at risk.
Meanwhile, the list of HSE owned vacant buildings in Cork and Kerry which will be offered to local authorities and State agencies, or sold off if there is no agreement includes: Heatherside Hospital (Cork), St Kevin’s Hospital (Cork), Dingle Hospital (Kerry), Ballyfeard Dispensary, Carrigaline (Cork), Ballyhooly Dispensary, Fermoy (Cork), Church Cross Dispensary, Skibbereen (Cork), Devlin, Mill Road, Kanturk (Cork), Bandon Former Health Centre, 6 St. Patrick’s Quay, Bandon (Cork), Inchigeela Health Centre (Cork), Mount St Joseph, Passage West (Cork), Youghal Health Centre, Catherine Street, Youghal (Cork), Farranfore Health Centre (Kerry) Kenmare - House at Tousist and , Ardea, Kenmare (Kerry)
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2017 22:34:35 GMT
Those 1000 patients built Fitzgerald stadium under the tutelage of Dr Eamonn.
What would Rupert Murdock made of that i wonder
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2017 22:43:14 GMT
It would be a fabulous development for Kerry and Killarney to turn the building into a tourism college. Kerry is awash with tourists at the moment.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 25, 2017 8:21:47 GMT
By tourism college do we mean hotel management and catering college? There is a course in that in Tralee, in GMIT and a specific college for it in Shannon.
There's no need for one in Killarney- surely the council will try to do something innovative with it.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 25, 2017 8:28:07 GMT
Those 1000 patients built Fitzgerald stadium under the tutelage of Dr Eamonn.
What would Rupert Murdock made of that i wonder Anybody who has a knowledge of how those 'asylums' operated wouldnt be proud of that fact. That was essentially slave labour.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 25, 2017 8:50:42 GMT
You could say that or you could say that Dr Eamonn understood the value of giving these unfortunates self worth and meaningful work.
I prefer to believe that they took pride and joy from it.
I believe Dr Eamonn was light years ahead of his time.
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Post by veteran on Jul 25, 2017 9:19:19 GMT
It was far from slave labour. Heretofore, patients spent their time aimlessly wandering about the premises, or languishing in bed , with nothing to do but poison themselves with cigarettes. Dr. Eamon was innovative and a visionary. He appreciated the therapeutic impact of giving inmates chores with a purpose in life. This had the dual consequence of being good for mind and body. Occupational therapy is all the rage now. No doubt , some will describe it as slave therapy.
Weehie Fogarty spent several years working with Dr. Eamon in St. Finian's Hospital. Doubters would be advised to spend an hour or two with Weeshie. They may emerge more enlightened.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 25, 2017 10:08:44 GMT
"Inmates" - says it all really when that is your description Veteran.
Anyway this is a Kerry GAA forum so I wont be drawn anymore on this topic.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 25, 2017 11:24:45 GMT
By tourism college do we mean hotel management and catering college? There is a course in that in Tralee, in GMIT and a specific college for it in Shannon. There's no need for one in Killarney- surely the council will try to do something innovative with it. There is also a tourism and hospitality department in CIT.
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Post by veteran on Jul 25, 2017 12:51:27 GMT
"Inmates" - says it all really when that is your description Veteran. Anyway this is a Kerry GAA forum so I wont be drawn anymore on this topic. I did not carelessly choose the word "inmate". Sadly, the term accurately depicts a huge swathe of humankind in St. Finian's Hospital in those times and presumably in other institutions up and down the country. In other words, the people to whom I refer had no significant mental deficit. Thankfully, today they would not be allowed within an ass's roar of a psychiatric hospital. In those dark days they found themselves incarcarated, correct description, for no better reason than they were surplus to requirements at home. A daughter in-law or son-in-law coming to reside in a house was likely to decide that a maiden aunt or batchelor uncle was a needless burden and therefore, off to the "county home". A daughter might get pregnant out of wedlock, to minimise family shame for the unworldly aunt/uncle or for economic reasons in order to accommodate the daughter and her baby, if she herself wasn't banished to Siberia, off to the county home with the said aunt/uncle or perhaps an eccentric sibling. Sad but true. Uncivilised indeed but there is no denying the fact . The documentary evidence is copious and clear. Inmates indeed. Dr. Eamon must have been a breath of fresh for these banished, lost souls. Considering that so many of these people were of sound mind it is reasonable to assume that many of them must have been as passionate about Kerry football as their luckier brethern on the outside. Consider then the influence that the charismatic Dr. Eamon must have had on them from a mental/physical and football standpoint. Is it not reasonable to conclude that his engaging them in occupational therapy , when it was only a pipedream most such institution, was not only a significant enhancement of their mental and physcial well being but indeed was a labour of love for passionate Kerry supporters as clearly a lot of them would ahve been. Furthermore, as far as I know, Dr. Eamon would arrange for groups of these poor souls to attend matches in Fitzgerald Stadium , chaperoned by staff. Slaves,no. Inmates, yes.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 25, 2017 12:57:47 GMT
By tourism college do we mean hotel management and catering college? There is a course in that in Tralee, in GMIT and a specific college for it in Shannon. There's no need for one in Killarney- surely the council will try to do something innovative with it. There is also a tourism and hospitality department in CIT. Yeah- sure theres no need to duplicate the already existing resources. If anything theres a need to expand the skills base in Kerry and not just produce more of the same and hour closer than where they are already being produced.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2017 14:02:35 GMT
Good factual and informed post Veteran, fair play. Concurs with conversations with former staff who say the vast majority of them shouldn't have been in there. It must have been a great release for these people to have been given the opportunity to contribute outside of the walls. A google search of the definition of"inmate" doesn't seem that inappropriate in this case with this choice of word.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 25, 2017 15:58:05 GMT
The GAA would want to remember where it came from in my opinion. There is a wall in the Ballyheigue GAA pitch commerating all the people in the parish who emigrated to the USA but bought a brick or whatever to develop the sportsfield about 20 years ago.
As far as i know KORs original pitch on strand road is on an old dump or floodplain and it was the local community that picked the stones and cleared the site.
The local community in Kilmoyley banded together and bought the land in Lerrig and did extensive fundraising.
There are countless other examples.
Giving championship games that people want to see on SKY for a pittance is a long way from its roots and from what made the GAA unique and great.
And to think that they spun it as helping the diaspora when the reality seems to be that these GAA people are paying more now than heretofore....
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2017 9:41:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 9:55:26 GMT
Complete bull. So the man leading up the most corporate county board in the country is the man to save the gaa from corporatism. No one on the dub backroom team gets compensated? That is a joke. The Dublin model is hardly the best to follow from a club perspective either.
I have no issue with Dublin and their commercial abilities here. It is more the nonsense from brolly holding Costello up as the one to return the gaa to its roots that is laughable.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 28, 2017 11:09:28 GMT
Good old Joe, you can be guaranteed in a year or less he'll be saying that Galway or Kerry or whoever has broken through to win an All-I by that time or taken over as the best team of the era has saved the GAA by bringing the romance back into it and blah blah blah compared to when one or two teams were dominating and the juggernaut was rolling over the true spirit of the games etc etc.
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Post by delorean on Jul 28, 2017 14:31:48 GMT
Cork initially budgeted €68 million - this was the figure they announced when they made their planning application. Back in November of 2015, the county board admitted the cost had increased to €78 million. Since then there have been a lot of further issues with the project which would have increased the cost - those in the know suggest that the minimum it will cost will be €85 million and could be pushing close to the €90 million mark. When one of the club delegates asked about the current cost at the last county board meeting, the top table basically told them it was none of their business and they were being rude asking such questions. There's also various aspects of the project which have been put on the long finger because the Cork County Board didn't want to delay opening again - at the moment there are only floodlights on one side of the stadium, there is something called a score detection system as they couldn't afford to put the proper Hawkeye in, there is no giant screen which is pretty much standard for any new stadium. The fact is that the project ran close enough to €20 million over-budget with the opening day deadline missed, and even then there are a fair few bits and pieces yet to be completed which says a lot about the ability of those in charge of the project. Don't be surprised if the Cork Board do everything in their ability to keep the focus away from the actual finances of the project. Who are "those in the know"? I only ask because, at one stage, we had it on good authority from a poster on this site that the development was going to run for several years beyond its scheduled opening. Do these types of developments ever really run on time or within budget? Nothing would ever get built if there wasn't some leeway, granted a jump from €68m to €90m is significant, if indeed that is the case, which it may not be exactly. Big screens, hawk eye, etc. are trivial things in my opinion, they certainly wouldn't have been worth delaying the opening over. I'm sure they'll have both in time and it clearly won't survive without adequate floodlights in the shorter term but, for now, they'll just have to cope the same way as 99.999% of the country's other stadia do. The way Freemount's very reasonable looking questions were seemingly ignored looks disgraceful I agree. I think other clubs should have backed them in their approach. It portrays a total lack of transparency.
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