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Post by givehimaball on Oct 23, 2017 13:55:32 GMT
Stats from the game From twitter.com/StatsHoleGAAKey thing is the fact that Crokes had 20 shots and scored 17 points, with just 2 wides and one effort hitting the post. By comparison South Kerry had 30 shots and had 13 scores. 17 wides/short/saved/post/blocked. Another stat that pops out is that Crokes won 20 out of 22 of their own kickouts. Even without looking at the quality of the kickouts that's very impressive going ; when you consider the significant number that were pinged out to Crokes player in space, it's add more weight to the argument that Murphy should be Kerry's number 1. You'd also wonder should Eamonn be having a chat to Pat O'Se and co about the Crokes kickout strategy and how the best to use Murphy, as this seems to be an area that Crokes have performed very consistently in the games I've seen of them with Murphy between the posts. By comparison South Kerry won 12 out of 19 of their own kickouts. Watching the game live, I would have said that South Kerry's pairing had the upper hand in terms of the midfield battle, but in terms of the kickout battle it's clear that overall Crokes won the war. In terms of negatives for Crokes the big one was the number of turnovers against - Crokes total was 21 compared to South Kerry only having 10. There was definitely a lot of these that fell into the cheap turnovers (the goal was the worst one; but there was definitely a noticeable amount of cheap Crokes turnovers) If you'd told South Kerry before the game that they would keep a clean sheet on the goal front, keep Crokes to 2 scores from deadballs, score a goal themselves, and that Cooper would only make a cameo appearance and that Buckley would be sent off, I'd imagine that they would have felt fairly confident about their ability to get the right result. However the 17 missed scoring opportunities and Crokes's phenomenal shooting accuracy were the twin rocks on which their challenge faltered. Also the stats (even though from different sources) are broadly in line with the stats from the 2 semi-finals, and especially with respect to South Kerry shooting accuracy (12 from 28 - so 16 missed scoring chances) Looking at these stats, it very much look like a side repeating a lot of the same mistakes from the previous game.
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Post by champer on Oct 23, 2017 13:58:26 GMT
Back to the game.....
Brendan O'Sullivan was well on top of Johnny Buckley. The battle was a microcosm of the issues facing Kerry as they attempt to take on Mayo an Dublin in 2018- the skills and brains of Buckley vs the raw power and aggression of O'Sullivan. He is worth a serious look after yesterday.
Gavin Whyte covers the ground very quickly and has a great brain. His defending and physicality needs to improve in my view.
Goalie was outstanding as stated. However, Brendan Kealy was superb for Kilcummin as well. It is the ability to cope with the pressure of the final 10 minutes of a close championship game that we neeed. Murphy deserves a shot as allcomers have failed to deliver.
Looney, O'Leary and Casey will go down as 3 of the best club players ever in Kerry. They have been performing for 12-13 years at a very high level.
Great credit due to the South Kerry management for getting their team primed. Easy to pick faults in their last 10 minutes but they got a great performance from their team
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 14:06:54 GMT
Gavin Whyte is a really top quality prospect- really hoping that he gets brought through in 2018
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2017 14:12:56 GMT
Crokes reminded me of dublin as regards keeping possession from kickouts..... I too think that EF should be chatting to pat oshea
Kerry and SK are in apres Declan phase now..... Of all the greats since 2004 for kerry he is the one hardest to replace
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 23, 2017 14:31:11 GMT
I was close to the side line yesterday and overheard some of the comments by Crokes mentors and their behaviour was very disappointing. It's a pity that the behaviour of a few can overshadow and tarnish a great win like yesterday. I do believe there are plenty of mentors from other clubs that have subjected abuse towards officials but this doesn't change the fact that it is completely unacceptable and embarrassing actually.
South Kerry are an example to other divisional sides on how to prepare a team, excellent leadership both on and off the field. They seem to have a togetherness much like a club side and they have some fantastic players. They are a very good side and on another day they would have turned Crokes over. There isn't much consolation in moral victory but it will give them the belief that they can go on and compete for county titles over the coming years. There is a nice mix of experience and youth there. A fully fit Killian Young and Denis Daly would have further improved them. I was also thinking yesterday of how they could have done with the accuracy of Eanna O' Connor. On that note, does anyone have any idea what sort of performances himself and Cian are turning in for Moorefield? I know they won Kildare a few weeks back.
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Post by frankgalvintralee on Oct 23, 2017 14:41:09 GMT
Was at the game yesterday from a Neutral it was a very good game I thought tight tense everything you want in a county Championship final! On Dr.Crokes you have to hand it to them the hunger they have is frightening and is great to see thought they caused South Kerry numerous problems when they ran at them a great team who i hope can go all the way again credit to players and Pat O Shea. I thought Gavin Whyte was very good as was Kieran O Leary and Daithi Casey! Shane Murphy outstanding! On South Kerry you have to hand it to them they are the best divisional side out their i saw them over the last few weeks training here in Mitchells and they are like a club side they put in the work but didn't get the reward! Brendan Sullivan, Brian Sugrue & Ian Galvin best for me! Instresting to see Damien Ryall involved with South Kerry he had them in good shape along with William Harmond and his team!
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 23, 2017 14:46:20 GMT
Crokes reminded me of dublin as regards keeping possession from kickouts..... I too think that EF should be chatting to pat oshea Kerry and SK are in apres Declan phase now..... Of all the greats since 2004 for kerry he is the one hardest to replace What a player, he was a joy to watch EXCEPT playing against Crokes! Jesus, he tormented us for years.
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Post by clubman on Oct 23, 2017 15:04:09 GMT
Fair play to Crokes, the better team overall and they were clinical in their chances which was the real difference. SK a bit like the semi were very wasteful in the final third.They never really hit any high balls into Matthew Sullivan and tested him out. I also thought they needed a bit of pace to be injected into their forwards towards the end so I was surprised with some of the subs. As the discussion about divisional sides goes on, South Kerry must take huge credit, they put in a big effort every year and seem to be easily able to put club rivalries aside. Most of those guys yesterday will be flaking each other in a few weeks when the SK championship gets underway. I do think Crokes need to improve massively going forward into Munster, as reigning All Ireland champs, every team will be the one looking to take their scalp. The celebration yesterday appeared very subdued, probably cause they are so used to it at this stage
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 23, 2017 15:13:17 GMT
Veteran - fairly sure the second card for JB was a black and not a yellow - at least that was what it looked like from the stand. Mike Moloney also saw black so in fairness the ref had the full deck of cards with him and he used them. Agree with your comments on Shane Murphy but credit must also go to the sideline who it was clear had a kick out strategy with the Crokes bunching before scattering into the spaces they had created as the ball was kicked. In relation to the Crokes sideline one of their mentors (short fellow) was intent on helping the referee officiate - thought he should have been asked to leave the field and view the game from outside the fence. Until refs take a hard line on encroachments they will continue. Atmosphere was fairly dead in ASP yesterday and there was only a muted excitement at the win by Crokes - perhaps their success is becoming routine even to their own supporters. Didn't know that a Black after a Yellow resulted in a Red - the Red was shown. Johnny was wronged of course. Black after Yellow = RED, and Johnny knew he was on a yellow when he reached out and tried a hand trip. Should have had more restraint as the foul was miles from goal. Gavin White has tremendous pace and is fantastic on the burst - his primary role is to defend and this area could do with development for me. Pace can't be taught but the defensive skills can be honed and I think he is a serious prospect. A fit Michael Burns is also a tantalising prospect and he offers more than some of the more established Kerry forwards that were on view yesterday - he goes forward and not crossways as well as knows when to pass and when to go himself. Another one to get game time with Kerry seniors. Biggest problem for Crokes prospects is the potential disruption of a run to the Club final on St Patricks day - players will not get an opportunity with Kerry in the early rounds of the National League and then come the end of March its nearly too late - another reason for this competition to be completed in the calendar year.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2017 19:07:02 GMT
I was close to the side line yesterday and overheard some of the comments by Crokes mentors and their behaviour was very disappointing. It's a pity that the behaviour of a few can overshadow and tarnish a great win like yesterday. I do believe there are plenty of mentors from other clubs that have subjected abuse towards officials but this doesn't change the fact that it is completely unacceptable and embarrassing actually. South Kerry are an example to other divisional sides on how to prepare a team, excellent leadership both on and off the field. They seem to have a togetherness much like a club side and they have some fantastic players. They are a very good side and on another day they would have turned Crokes over. There isn't much consolation in moral victory but it will give them the belief that they can go on and compete for county titles over the coming years. There is a nice mix of experience and youth there. A fully fit Killian Young and Denis Daly would have further improved them. I was also thinking yesterday of how they could have done with the accuracy of Eanna O' Connor. On that note, does anyone have any idea what sort of performances himself and Cian are turning in for Moorefield? I know they won Kildare a few weeks back. I’ve highlighted this in the past about Croke’s mentors and subs at matches. I’ve seen them several times from U16, minors to seniors and it’s happening with each panel. It has gotten to the point where something needs to be done. The club needs to see this and not be blinded by the winning justifies the means philosophy. The worst I’ve seen was their minor semi final where the ref and linesman were subjected to savage abuse throughout the match. I was at the match yesterday but was in the stand so heard nothing. I’m glad someone with an attachment to the club can recognize this and call it out so fair dues..... hopefully they sort it as I feel it really takes away from what they are achieving. That said, I wish them the very best of luck and hope they can put two in a row of All Ireland titles together.
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Post by fitz on Oct 23, 2017 23:35:41 GMT
Fionn turned over a ball in the last couple of mins yesterday and Gooch completely super fcuked him out of it, flayed him. If I was Fionn it would have been hard not to turn back on him, Gooch or not. The pass for O’Leary’s final score was a thing of beauty, it was literally weighted to the centimeter, teasing the first defender’s frantic leap. The finish was far from shabby too.
On Moorfield, they played 20 mins with 13 men, they well deserved it but not a good reflection on opposing team. The two red carded scalded cats are pictured celebrating with the cup. I’m not sure I’d have that same zest and desire to be at the forefront of celebrations after jeopardizing a year’s work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 1:32:39 GMT
Up the Crokes!! Great Achievement. They have been consistent all year and got their just rewards. South Kerry were very good too it was a good Final. South Kerry best Divisional side in the County easily. Tough side to beat.
Clonmel will be a tough side to beat but it's great to be playing in the Club championship again.
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Post by yellowbelly on Oct 25, 2017 19:12:36 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 25, 2017 20:00:45 GMT
Up the Crokes!! Great Achievement. They have been consistent all year and got their just rewards. South Kerry were very good too it was a good Final. South Kerry best Divisional side in the County easily. Tough side to beat. Clonmel will be a tough side to beat but it's great to be playing in the Club championship again. Clonmel and Munster should be a formality for Crokes, hard to see them being pressed until the new year.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 25, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
Mike must have slipped out early, Eoin Brosnan has possession in the last play of the game in a defensive position.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 25, 2017 20:25:13 GMT
Up the Crokes!! Great Achievement. They have been consistent all year and got their just rewards. South Kerry were very good too it was a good Final. South Kerry best Divisional side in the County easily. Tough side to beat. Clonmel will be a tough side to beat but it's great to be playing in the Club championship again. Clonmel and Munster should be a formality for Crokes, hard to see them being pressed until the new year. Don't see how you think clonmel will be easy. Ballyboden needed extra time to beat them in the all Ireland semi in 2015.It will be interesting to see who the Crokes put on Quinlivan. I can't see Mike Maloney holding him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 21:36:45 GMT
I agree I think Clonmel will be well up for it. As clubman said they need to improve going into Munster. Clonmel are not a bad side. I think it will be close and physical.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 26, 2017 9:08:45 GMT
Mike must have slipped out early, Eoin Brosnan has possession in the last play of the game in a defensive position. A touch of being pedantic there KG - Brosnan did make a brief appearance late in the game - seemed more like Crokes tipping their hat to a great servant. He had no influence on the game and MQ is making the point that most other clubs would have used a player of his experience a lot more. MQ point about the AI junior and intermediate competitions is very valid - this is far more attractive to the majority of non senior clubs I suspect. There is near total agreement that the current system is flawed but the crux of the matter lies in the difficulty in designing a viable alternative that will be voted through. Different people want different things from the Championship - some a back door, some a chance of winning it and others just a chance to play in it. Then it is being squeezed into a narrow window to be run off in between the needs of the county and the scheduling of the Munster competition. It should be the centrepiece of the county scene and instead it is squeezed in and massaged to suit everybody but nobody.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 26, 2017 9:10:01 GMT
I agree I think Clonmel will be well up for it. As clubman said they need to improve going into Munster. Clonmel are not a bad side. I think it will be close and physical. Get over Clonmel and Crokes should be well on their way to another Munster title - Clonmel probably the toughest potential opponent in Munster.
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Post by lad on Oct 26, 2017 11:21:44 GMT
I agree I think Clonmel will be well up for it. As clubman said they need to improve going into Munster. Clonmel are not a bad side. I think it will be close and physical. Get over Clonmel and Crokes should be well on their way to another Munster title - Clonmel probably the toughest potential opponent in Munster. Nemo would be strong as well I would have thought
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 26, 2017 13:34:03 GMT
Mike must have slipped out early, Eoin Brosnan has possession in the last play of the game in a defensive position. A touch of being pedantic there KG - Brosnan did make a brief appearance late in the game - seemed more like Crokes tipping their hat to a great servant. He had no influence on the game and MQ is making the point that most other clubs would have used a player of his experience a lot more. MQ point about the AI junior and intermediate competitions is very valid - this is far more attractive to the majority of non senior clubs I suspect. There is near total agreement that the current system is flawed but the crux of the matter lies in the difficulty in designing a viable alternative that will be voted through. Different people want different things from the Championship - some a back door, some a chance of winning it and others just a chance to play in it. Then it is being squeezed into a narrow window to be run off in between the needs of the county and the scheduling of the Munster competition. It should be the centrepiece of the county scene and instead it is squeezed in and massaged to suit everybody but nobody. Not really. He came on while the game was still critical and controlled the last defensive play in the game. Why is Eoin getting so little game time?
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Post by KY50 on Oct 26, 2017 19:52:02 GMT
Clonmel are very strong/physical/some good footballers and are at home, beat Nemo two years ago in Mallow and were unlucky in the AI Semi. Crokes will do well to get out of there
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Post by Fado on Oct 26, 2017 22:22:14 GMT
A touch of being pedantic there KG - Brosnan did make a brief appearance late in the game - seemed more like Crokes tipping their hat to a great servant. He had no influence on the game and MQ is making the point that most other clubs would have used a player of his experience a lot more. MQ point about the AI junior and intermediate competitions is very valid - this is far more attractive to the majority of non senior clubs I suspect. There is near total agreement that the current system is flawed but the crux of the matter lies in the difficulty in designing a viable alternative that will be voted through. Different people want different things from the Championship - some a back door, some a chance of winning it and others just a chance to play in it. Then it is being squeezed into a narrow window to be run off in between the needs of the county and the scheduling of the Munster competition. It should be the centrepiece of the county scene and instead it is squeezed in and massaged to suit everybody but nobody. Not really. He came on while the game was still critical and controlled the last defensive play in the game. Why is Eoin getting so little game time? Lest we forget, tis a young mans game.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 27, 2017 8:46:41 GMT
He is younger than Tomas who won a second county championship medal with Nemo last weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:51:05 GMT
Dare I say that is cork football for you....
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 27, 2017 9:06:39 GMT
Nemo beat Killarney Legion two seasons ago in the Munster championship and would probably beat a lot of the other senior clubs in Kerry also.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 27, 2017 9:38:41 GMT
I think Brosnan's situation is more to do with the strength both in numbers and in quality that Crokes have at this present time. Not only are older warriors like Brosnan and Ambrose finding it hard to get game time but many of the young guns are also - very few other teams in the county would be leaving recent county minors with AI medals on their benches either. Yet the likes of David Shaw, Billy Courtney and David Naughten are getting no game time (even cameo appearances) and Jordan Kiely cannot get a starting berth. Crokes are a bit like Dublin in this regard - they have more talent that they know what to do with but can still only field 15 at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 9:39:51 GMT
Brosnan is no Tomas
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 27, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
A fine footballer none the less. I'm surprised by his lack of game.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 27, 2017 13:39:41 GMT
Clonmel and Munster should be a formality for Crokes, hard to see them being pressed until the new year. Don't see how you think clonmel will be easy. Ballyboden needed extra time to beat them in the all Ireland semi in 2015.It will be interesting to see who the Crokes put on Quinlivan. I can't see Mike Maloney holding him. Most betting punters would be looking at this one in the plus five points region for the Crokes I would think.
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