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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2017 17:04:46 GMT
I feel sorry for kilcummin, I really do- they would easily beat the farce that is Shannon rangers
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 22, 2017 18:46:50 GMT
I feel sorry for kilcummin, I really do- they would easily beat the farce that is Shannon rangers It’s a crazy format, KOR were only just beaten by a South Kerry side that put the current AI club champions to the pin of their collar & they could have been relegated to the intermediate championship today?? Something similar nearly happened to the stacks a few years ago. The KY CB need to seriously have a look at the format, bar for getting to a semi final a few years ago Shannon Rangers have been struggling for a while, certainly a lot more than both KOR & Kilcummin anyway. What’s going to happen next year to either Kenmare district or west kerry when either templenoe or Gaeltacht win the intermediate & go alone in the chp in 2018?? Now there’s a headache in the making for the county board!!
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2017 18:54:14 GMT
SK lost possession from nearly all their own long kickouts in the first half and only two brilliant saves by the SK keeper as well as a gift pass for the SK goal kept SK in it by half time.
SK didnt seem to be able to have any option to go short from the kickout wheras the Crokes keeper had options for going short for about fifty mins till buckley got the red. Surely matthew o sullivan should have been brought to midfield rather than being replaced.
Crokes must have got 6 points directly from their keeper shane murphy restarting by rolling the ball to an unmarked defender. The likes of burns etc were put in possession by handy footpasses .....he will do damage with that quick turn and shot.
Clearly killian and Denis Daly would have improved SK had they been fit.
Shane Murphy continues to impress...he will surely wear the green and gold soon.
Crokes deserved their win as they were more clinical upfront.
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 22, 2017 19:16:28 GMT
South Kerry will feel like they left one after them today, a fit Killian Young could have been the difference when they had Crokes rattled with 15 mins to go. A few things from the game,
Shane Murphy is the best keeper in Kerry & has to be promoted to Kerry’s number 1 for the National League. He made 2 top class saves today & pinged a few long range kick outs down 70 yards to guys in space. Gavin White has to be in the shakeup come chp time if he keeps developing. Micheál Burns is definitely worth a shot, he was a handful today until he got tired. Fionn Fitzgerald is still one of the best defenders in ky club football, cool & calm on the ball all day. Bryan Sheehan was immense, KY need to keep him fit & in the picture for next yr. Fionn Clifford was excellent at corner back for Sth Ky & IMO they should have moved Mark Griffin out a bit further as he was mad for road. Brendan O Sullivan is great bursting forward but I can’t remember him catching a ball over his head in any game. Both Crokes & Sth Kerry we’re cynical, Brend O Sull got Johnny Buckley yellow carded for nothing, he kept hitting him until Buckley reacted & then later on his black card turned into a red. Crokes are definitely not the overpowering team of old, some of the older lads seem tired but the experience of the gooch, Casey & Kieran O Leary is invaluable in tight games like today.
The other thing of note is that some of the crokes mentors are outlawed, one in particular gave both the linesmen serious grief on the terrace side, I doubt that he’ll get away with that in Munster or beyond when the officials are from outside the county.
Crokes probably shaded it for their clinical finishing. 2 wides as opposed to Sth Ky’s 9 plus the goal was a gift which made it a lot closer at halftime than what it should have been. In saying that if Sth Ky had held the heads a bit on a few occasions in the second half we could have been back in ASP next weekend.
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Post by glengael on Oct 22, 2017 19:32:22 GMT
Who are Crokes playing next?
You can be sure Nemo will be determined to atone for the Clonmel disaster.
Overall would this years county championship have been rated as good, bad or indifferent? Did anyone see anything remotely interesting?
I think the relegation thing is bizarre especially, as has been said, given some of the shambolic Divisional efforts. Mind you East Kerry in 2018 will nearly be back to championship winning strength, all that's missing is Rathmore...
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 22, 2017 19:35:04 GMT
An entertaining game on TG4 and while some lively performances the step up to inter-county will test them. SK gave it a right go and it reminded me a bit of a Tyrone man once saying that Kerry's class made us less aggressive - SK had both though I suppose Crokes abundance of class shaded it, genius of Gooch to find KO'L for closing point was pure class. Big wake up call for Crokes so ideal prep as they go forward and back-to-backs are not easy. That the doctors were AI champs gave SK added incentive and you'd have to say they left everything on the field, well bar Johnny. BO'S is a hard fella to figure out and he needs hammer and anvil to knock him into shape if Éamonn is to give another go - there is something magic about him and he is the kind of fell you'd love to see on song, if he was crafty enough he would be useful v Mayo, Dubs, etc.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 22, 2017 20:18:01 GMT
I feel sorry for kilcummin, I really do- they would easily beat the farce that is Shannon rangers It’s a crazy format, KOR were only just beaten by a South Kerry side that put the current AI club champions to the pin of their collar & they could have been relegated to the intermediate championship today?? Something similar nearly happened to the stacks a few years ago. The KY CB need to seriously have a look at the format, bar for getting to a semi final a few years ago Shannon Rangers have been struggling for a while, certainly a lot more than both KOR & Kilcummin anyway. What’s going to happen next year to either Kenmare district or west kerry when either templenoe or Gaeltacht win the intermediate & go alone in the chp in 2018?? Now there’s a headache in the making for the county board!! ) The real problem here is the change which occurred in 2015 with the SFC review where the format for relegation from the senior county championship was moved to performance in the club championship as opposed to the county championship - not sure why this was proposed but its anti club and inequitable where divisional sides are concerned. A key consideration was that every player should have the opportunity to participate in the SFC - all senior clubs will afford that chance to their players and prepare properly for the county championship - regrettably not all divisions share the same ideal and some in particular have little or no interest in the county championship - Shannon Rangers this year, were disgraceful and included players in their side who were not even regulars for their clubs; Kenmare district failed to fulfil a fixture in 2015/2016 when giving a walk over in the first round; I can empathise with their plight where many clubs favour participation in intermediate or junior championships and maybe do not make their players available - its the same for all divisions however and SK have a template that works which sees Dromid in the junior final ( beat Skellig in the semi) and saw St Mary's reach the intermediate semi final. The SFC review for 2017 which is currently meeting do not have a term of reference which would level the playing field - perhaps a motion to convention to revert to the previous format or alternatively allow a club which reaches the county championship semi final ( currently its the final) be exempt from demotion, could be tabled.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2017 20:23:31 GMT
It’s a crazy format, KOR were only just beaten by a South Kerry side that put the current AI club champions to the pin of their collar & they could have been relegated to the intermediate championship today?? Something similar nearly happened to the stacks a few years ago. The KY CB need to seriously have a look at the format, bar for getting to a semi final a few years ago Shannon Rangers have been struggling for a while, certainly a lot more than both KOR & Kilcummin anyway. What’s going to happen next year to either Kenmare district or west kerry when either templenoe or Gaeltacht win the intermediate & go alone in the chp in 2018?? Now there’s a headache in the making for the county board!! ) The real problem here is the change which occurred in 2015 with the SFC review where the format for relegation from the senior county championship was moved to performance in the club championship as opposed to the county championship - not sure why this was proposed but its anti club and inequitable where divisional sides are concerned. A key consideration was that every player should have the opportunity to participate in the SFC - all senior clubs will afford that chance to their players and prepare properly for the county championship - regrettably not all divisions share the same ideal and some in particular have little or no interest in the county championship - Shannon Rangers this year, were disgraceful and included players in their side who were not even regulars for their clubs; Kenmare district failed to fulfil a fixture in 2015/2016 when giving a walk over in the first round; I can empathise with their plight where many clubs favour participation in intermediate or junior championships and maybe do not make their players available - its the same for all divisions however and SK have a template that works which sees Dromid in the junior final ( beat Skellig in the semi) and saw St Mary's reach the intermediate semi final. The SFC review for 2017 which is currently meeting do not have a term of reference which would level the playing field - perhaps a motion to convention to revert to the previous format or alternatively allow a club which reaches the county championship semi final ( currently its the final) be exempt from demotion, could be tabled. The worst performing divisional sides have to be hit at club level- for example all Shannon Rangers sides should have to play at least the first round of the Junior or Inter champ away from home next year and maybe even their first 2 rounds
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Post by falveyb2k on Oct 22, 2017 21:08:18 GMT
Colm Cooper now has 7 county championship medals(does Eoin Brosnan have the same?). Is there anybody with more?
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 22, 2017 22:27:39 GMT
Colm Cooper now has 7 county championship medals(does Eoin Brosnan have the same?). Is there anybody with more? Colm has 7 and Eoin has the same, but Eoin won a Cork county championship with UCC, so has 8 total. Daithi Casey and Johnny Buckley have 6 in Kerry and both also won a Cork county championship with UCC in 2011 so have 7 in total as well.
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Post by celtickeeper on Oct 22, 2017 22:30:10 GMT
"The worst performing divisional sides have to be hit at club level- for example all Shannon Rangers sides should have to play at least the first round of the Junior or Inter champ away from home next year and maybe even their first 2 rounds"
This has to be the most ridiculous comment ever on these forums. You obviously have something against North Kerry going by some of the crap you've put up earlier. Kilcummin were almost relegated from Division 2 this year, so what divine right do they have to play in the Senior County Championship. Other teams people are on about are Laune Rangers, finished mid table in Division 3 and Castleisland Desmond's won one game in the county this year.
Shannon Rangers are there on merit, the same as every divisional team and will have their time again but the slating they are getting on here is very very harsh. They are not the rule makers.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 23, 2017 6:42:03 GMT
Shannon Rangers are there to provide North Kerry players a platform to play at a high club level.
I am all for that but they are not there on merit.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 7:57:09 GMT
"The worst performing divisional sides have to be hit at club level- for example all Shannon Rangers sides should have to play at least the first round of the Junior or Inter champ away from home next year and maybe even their first 2 rounds" This has to be the most ridiculous comment ever on these forums. You obviously have something against North Kerry going by some of the crap you've put up earlier. Kilcummin were almost relegated from Division 2 this year, so what divine right do they have to play in the Senior County Championship. Other teams people are on about are Laune Rangers, finished mid table in Division 3 and Castleisland Desmond's won one game in the county this year. Shannon Rangers are there on merit, the same as every divisional team and will have their time again but the slating they are getting on here is very very harsh. They are not the rule makers. You do realise that your 'points' on how they are there on merit and dont make the rules- more or less contradict each other. Also I'm not saying that anyone has a divine right, including the divisional sides, and that if there was a play-off that Kilcummin would beat the pathetic showing that SR put out this year. I jave notbhing against North Kerry- I think the main reason why Kerry arent winning All Irelands at the moment is because they are missing the backbone of a few tough NK lads but the football up there has dropped off hugely. As an aside- as you are so worried about the perception of North Kerry football- you should do an audit of where all the gate receipts from NK championship matches go as theres quite a high charge on those games and I'll fecked if its going into player development or facilities
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 7:58:05 GMT
Shannon Rangers are there to provide North Kerry players a platform to play at a high club level. I am all for that but they are not there on merit. I'm all for it too but there has to be some penalty for poor showings- the clubs can get relegated and the divisional sides see no downside
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2017 8:24:58 GMT
They should consider going back to 12 senior clubs and they should consider getting rid of the back door from the senior championship. Its all a bit tedious now till the semi finals.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 23, 2017 8:29:09 GMT
South Kerry will feel like they left one after them today, a fit Killian Young could have been the difference when they had Crokes rattled with 15 mins to go. A few things from the game, Shane Murphy is the best keeper in Kerry & has to be promoted to Kerry’s number 1 for the National League. He made 2 top class saves today & pinged a few long range kick outs down 70 yards to guys in space. Gavin White has to be in the shakeup come chp time if he keeps developing. Micheál Burns is definitely worth a shot, he was a handful today until he got tired. Fionn Fitzgerald is still one of the best defenders in ky club football, cool & calm on the ball all day. Bryan Sheehan was immense, KY need to keep him fit & in the picture for next yr. Fionn Clifford was excellent at corner back for Sth Ky & IMO they should have moved Mark Griffin out a bit further as he was mad for road. Brendan O Sullivan is great bursting forward but I can’t remember him catching a ball over his head in any game. Both Crokes & Sth Kerry we’re cynical, Brend O Sull got Johnny Buckley yellow carded for nothing, he kept hitting him until Buckley reacted & then later on his black card turned into a red. Crokes are definitely not the overpowering team of old, some of the older lads seem tired but the experience of the gooch, Casey & Kieran O Leary is invaluable in tight games like today. The other thing of note is that some of the crokes mentors are outlawed, one in particular gave both the linesmen serious grief on the terrace side, I doubt that he’ll get away with that in Munster or beyond when the officials are from outside the county. Crokes probably shaded it for their clinical finishing. 2 wides as opposed to Sth Ky’s 9 plus the goal was a gift which made it a lot closer at halftime than what it should have been. In saying that if Sth Ky had held the heads a bit on a few occasions in the second half we could have been back in ASP next weekend. I do agree with many of your points but Kieran O' Leary took Fionan Clifford to the cleaners?? I think you mean Brian Sugrue? Who had a good tussle with Tony Brosnan. I thought Robert Wharton was disappointing yesterday because he had impressed me in previous games but he really struggled on Micheal Burns yesterday so defensively there would be concerns about him....similar enough to Gavin White in that regard who really struggled to handle Sean O Shea in the club final. If Shane Murphy is not in goal for Kerry seniors next year then Eamonn Fitz has a lot to answer for. There is no way he can turn around and say he is not the best keeper in the county.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 23, 2017 8:32:52 GMT
The whole divisional scene needs a proper review with a major imbalance and lack of continuity from year to year - E. Kerry are regularly criticised for the number of clubs they call on for minor and u21 grades. With clubs being in one year and out the next it makes life difficult for divisions also. Should a division be the same for all grades? Should we just have a divisional championship and and separate club championships? Should the league be the basis of whether a club plays senior, intermediate or junior? - this might make clubs & their delegates sort out the availability issue for the better of all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 8:40:56 GMT
The co championship will have to be looked at again - either Kenmare district or West Kerry will be decimated next year when either Templenoe or Gaeltacht go senior - couple that with the inadequacies shown out North Kerry direction with their divisional sides - I don't think it was overly bad in it's previous guise to be honest - some (not all) divisional sides do not put the necessary effort in to be competitive in the championship unfortunately.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 23, 2017 9:10:40 GMT
How many districts are in it that are made up of north kerry clubs
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Post by celtickeeper on Oct 23, 2017 9:44:54 GMT
"The worst performing divisional sides have to be hit at club level- for example all Shannon Rangers sides should have to play at least the first round of the Junior or Inter champ away from home next year and maybe even their first 2 rounds" This has to be the most ridiculous comment ever on these forums. You obviously have something against North Kerry going by some of the crap you've put up earlier. Kilcummin were almost relegated from Division 2 this year, so what divine right do they have to play in the Senior County Championship. Other teams people are on about are Laune Rangers, finished mid table in Division 3 and Castleisland Desmond's won one game in the county this year. Shannon Rangers are there on merit, the same as every divisional team and will have their time again but the slating they are getting on here is very very harsh. They are not the rule makers. You do realise that your 'points' on how they are there on merit and dont make the rules- more or less contradict each other. Also I'm not saying that anyone has a divine right, including the divisional sides, and that if there was a play-off that Kilcummin would beat the pathetic showing that SR put out this year. I jave notbhing against North Kerry- I think the main reason why Kerry arent winning All Irelands at the moment is because they are missing the backbone of a few tough NK lads but the football up there has dropped off hugely. As an aside- as you are so worried about the perception of North Kerry football- you should do an audit of where all the gate receipts from NK championship matches go as theres quite a high charge on those games and I'll fecked if its going into player development or facilities Yes of course, I will go into the next north Kerry board meeting and ask for the books and audit them. Another ridiculous comment. Shannon Rangers are punished enough by playing a preliminary round. They are the only team in the County Championship that played only one game Maybe if they had the safety net of knowing they would play two games like everyone else, preparation might be better. There is a lot of good young footballers there and everyone is hopeful that they will come good. I didn’t see anyone looking for St. Brendan’s to be thrown out when Dr. Crokes beat them by 21 points. There was also half a page in one of the local papers going on about Shannon Rangers not fielding in the U21 championship and nothing about the other team that also didn’t field There seems to be an awful lot of anti North Kerry football people around As far as I was aware the County Championship is there so that every one has a chance to play at the elite level in Kerry Historically it was all divisional teams and major clubs I certainly don’t think clubs in Division 2 or 3 should be playing in the County Championship It should be made up of the 9 divisional teams and the top 6 club teams in Division 1 with the team that finished 7th maybe playing the Intermediate champions in a play off
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 23, 2017 9:49:26 GMT
South Kerry will feel like they left one after them today, a fit Killian Young could have been the difference when they had Crokes rattled with 15 mins to go. A few things from the game, Shane Murphy is the best keeper in Kerry & has to be promoted to Kerry’s number 1 for the National League. He made 2 top class saves today & pinged a few long range kick outs down 70 yards to guys in space. Gavin White has to be in the shakeup come chp time if he keeps developing. Micheál Burns is definitely worth a shot, he was a handful today until he got tired. Fionn Fitzgerald is still one of the best defenders in ky club football, cool & calm on the ball all day. Bryan Sheehan was immense, KY need to keep him fit & in the picture for next yr. Fionn Clifford was excellent at corner back for Sth Ky & IMO they should have moved Mark Griffin out a bit further as he was mad for road. Brendan O Sullivan is great bursting forward but I can’t remember him catching a ball over his head in any game. Both Crokes & Sth Kerry we’re cynical, Brend O Sull got Johnny Buckley yellow carded for nothing, he kept hitting him until Buckley reacted & then later on his black card turned into a red. Crokes are definitely not the overpowering team of old, some of the older lads seem tired but the experience of the gooch, Casey & Kieran O Leary is invaluable in tight games like today. The other thing of note is that some of the crokes mentors are outlawed, one in particular gave both the linesmen serious grief on the terrace side, I doubt that he’ll get away with that in Munster or beyond when the officials are from outside the county. Crokes probably shaded it for their clinical finishing. 2 wides as opposed to Sth Ky’s 9 plus the goal was a gift which made it a lot closer at halftime than what it should have been. In saying that if Sth Ky had held the heads a bit on a few occasions in the second half we could have been back in ASP next weekend. I do agree with many of your points but Kieran O' Leary took Fionan Clifford to the cleaners?? I think you mean Brian Sugrue? Who had a good tussle with Tony Brosnan. I thought Robert Wharton was disappointing yesterday because he had impressed me in previous games but he really struggled on Micheal Burns yesterday so defensively there would be concerns about him....similar enough to Gavin White in that regard who really struggled to handle Sean O Shea in the club final. If Shane Murphy is not in goal for Kerry seniors next year then Eamonn Fitz has a lot to answer for. There is no way he can turn around and say he is not the best keeper in the county. Good man Hugh20, that’s the fellow, himself & Tony Brosnan had a good battle, I didn’t have a programme so was going on second hand info as to who he was.
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Post by veteran on Oct 23, 2017 9:52:41 GMT
Dr. Crokes 0-17 South Kerry 1-12 HT 0-11 1-6
I must confess I gave South Kerry little chance going into this game. On the other hand, if I was told that South Kerry would not concede a goal then my reaction would be that there was every chance that the cup would likely be going to the deep south. It just shows that predicting the outcome of sporting events is a game for mugs and chancers. The other prediction I would have made is that the game would have attracted a huge attendance. Surprisingly that was not the case. Perhaps, TV coverage and the recent inclement weather impacted on the attendance.
Irrespective of lazy predictions, this was a full blooded, heartwarming clash. It was laden with some some great scores, some great moves, some great goal keeping and had enough spite to keep interest alive to the final whistle. It is fair to say that Dr. Crokes always looked the more likely to prevail but with a man short there was a chance that SK could snatch another goal which would certainly have set the cat among the pigeons.
The game started like wildfire when Brendan O'Sullivan, hugely prominent all through at midfield, took off and blasted it goalwards. However, Shane Murphy made a marvelous save at the expense of a forty five which Bryan converted. Thereafter, Crokes took over and returned some top of the range points via Kieran O'Leary, as treacherous as ever, Michael Burns and Gavin White, possibly Crokes most consistent performer. At that stage, it looked as if Crokes would canter home and if the could have registered a goal , and they came close via Daithi and Tony Brosnan, almost certainly pre match predictions would have been realised. However the goal came at the other end. Brendan O'Sullivan took flight again, his shot was half blocked down, poor defending by Crokes ensued, the ball broke to Ian Galvin, an early sub for Daniel Daly, and Ian expertly stroked it home. Game on as we experts say! Game on it was to the finish of the half with just two in it as they retired for tea.
The standard dropped a little in the second half but the competitiveness never slackened and the increasing spite made for compelling theatre. Both teams exchanged some fine scores and then an incident occurred which at the time appeared as it might swing the game from Dr. Crokes. Johny Buckley got a second yellow for what appeared to be a hand trip on Brendan O'Sullivan. If it was a hand trip it should of course have been a black but for some indecipherable reason referees are allergic to issuing to black cards. However, that is not the main issue in this instance. As far as I am concerned that card should have been Johnny's first. In a prelude, Brendan O'Sullvan grabbed Johny's jersey off the ball and refused to part company with it. Johnny tried to push him away but Brendan persisted with his grasp. A minor melee resulted. Linesman came in and the referee did what most referees do in these situations he lazily brandished two yellows. There should have been one yellow and that one should have been for Brendan, who it must be said was dominant against Johnny.
The sending off should have given SK the advantage but the match progressed as if it was fifteen against fifteen. I could not make out where SK deployed their extra man. In any case , excitement was reaching a crescendo and when Bryan Sheehan powered through to score a point out of the top drawer to level matters one felt if they could get the next score to take the lead it just might be their day. The kickout was won by Crokes and the referee spotted an off the ball foul way downtown in front of South Kerry's goal. Suicide,and the irony was that the offence was perpetrated by one of the stars of the day, corner back Fionan Clifford. The free was tapped over for the lead point , a lead not to be relinquished. South Kerry did not die and exchanged scores to leave just one in it as the sun was beginning to set. Then another hari kari effort by South Kerry, this time by Bryan Sheehan ,who can be impetuous at times. He committed a high off the ball tackle on the elusive butterfly who came on in the second half. As Colm took possession for the free you could hear the brain whirling as he calculated who should be the recipient of his precise dink. He glided it over the head of the nearest SK player to the grateful clutch Kieran O'Leary. Who else. Kieran doesn't miss those. He didn't. The coup de gras.
I suspect Shane Murphy will be one of the most talked players after yesterday's game. Not alone for his saves but he demonstrated to Brian Kelly and Brendan Kealy how to kick out the ball. Some of his efforts were pinpoint but of course he was helped by the alertness of his colleagues out field. He will surely battle it out with Shane Ryan for the number one slot.
Gavin White will also push for a Kerry place in the new year. My goodness, that man can travel.
The bulk of the Crokes forwards shone. Michael Burns kicked four points and played with a maturity way beyond his years. He did fade in the second half but it may have been due to an injury he seemed to pick up early on the second half. As always, Brian Looney foraged willingly and effectively and Daithi Casey, without doubt, is one of the top club players of his era in Kerry. Kieran O'Leary kicked four and exquisitely set up one for Jordan Kiely. He fiercely whipped one across the goal in the first half which just skimmed wide. Like Daithi,how many better club players have we seen during this man's time in Kerry? Answers could be accommodated on the back of a postage stamp. Tony Brosnan was huge threat in the first half and kicked a couple of fine points.
Padraig O'Sullivan made one great save in the first half from Daithi Casey. Fionan Clifford was a genuine star in the left corner. Mark Griffin sallied forward with success on occasions but found Daithi Casey too hot to subdue. Robert Wharton got a bit of a roasting from Michael Burns but when relieved of that chore he made a significant contribution in the second half. Brendan O'Sullivan was relentless at midfield. There is no denying his work rate and athleticism but whether he can produce it on the the bigger stage will presumably be tested in 2018. Bryan Sheehan , as expected, was another key figure and he is one of our few county man who can kick from long range. Up front as individuals the South Kerry attack caused the Killarney defence plenty of problems but they lacked the guile and cohesion of their opposite numbers. Daniel Daly was a big loss and while Denis Daly did eventually come on but he has missed too much football recently to have had a meaningful contribution.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 10:41:12 GMT
You do realise that your 'points' on how they are there on merit and dont make the rules- more or less contradict each other. Also I'm not saying that anyone has a divine right, including the divisional sides, and that if there was a play-off that Kilcummin would beat the pathetic showing that SR put out this year. I jave notbhing against North Kerry- I think the main reason why Kerry arent winning All Irelands at the moment is because they are missing the backbone of a few tough NK lads but the football up there has dropped off hugely. As an aside- as you are so worried about the perception of North Kerry football- you should do an audit of where all the gate receipts from NK championship matches go as theres quite a high charge on those games and I'll fecked if its going into player development or facilities Yes of course, I will go into the next north Kerry board meeting and ask for the books and audit them. Another ridiculous comment. Shannon Rangers are punished enough by playing a preliminary round. They are the only team in the County Championship that played only one game Maybe if they had the safety net of knowing they would play two games like everyone else, preparation might be better. There is a lot of good young footballers there and everyone is hopeful that they will come good. I didn’t see anyone looking for St. Brendan’s to be thrown out when Dr. Crokes beat them by 21 points. There was also half a page in one of the local papers going on about Shannon Rangers not fielding in the U21 championship and nothing about the other team that also didn’t field There seems to be an awful lot of anti North Kerry football people around As far as I was aware the County Championship is there so that every one has a chance to play at the elite level in Kerry Historically it was all divisional teams and major clubs I certainly don’t think clubs in Division 2 or 3 should be playing in the County Championship It should be made up of the 9 divisional teams and the top 6 club teams in Division 1 with the team that finished 7th maybe playing the Intermediate champions in a play off Everything seems to be ridiculous to you- you badly need to stop being so dramatic. You keep mentioning that Shannon Rangers are being singled out but the original "ridiculous" comment referenced that the worst performing divisional side should have its clubs penalised. What was wrong with this? The worst performing club gets penalised so why shouldn't the worst performing divisional side? I'm not advocating the removal of any divisional side, just a penalty that might incentivise them to bother. And to answer your question on why are Shannon Rangers being singled out- they were a farce this year in the senior championship. They clearly didnt take it seriously and were hammered by St. Brendans, who as you pointed out arent superb either, but they were comfortable in doing this as they had a safety net. Also it's not anti-North Kerry so keep you persecution complex to yourself- a team who doesnt try and gets hammered will always be ridiculed. There should be a punishment for the worst performing divisional side if for only to uphold the integrity of the competition.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 23, 2017 10:57:25 GMT
Veteran - fairly sure the second card for JB was a black and not a yellow - at least that was what it looked like from the stand. Mike Moloney also saw black so in fairness the ref had the full deck of cards with him and he used them. Agree with your comments on Shane Murphy but credit must also go to the sideline who it was clear had a kick out strategy with the Crokes bunching before scattering into the spaces they had created as the ball was kicked. In relation to the Crokes sideline one of their mentors (short fellow) was intent on helping the referee officiate - thought he should have been asked to leave the field and view the game from outside the fence. Until refs take a hard line on encroachments they will continue. Atmosphere was fairly dead in ASP yesterday and there was only a muted excitement at the win by Crokes - perhaps their success is becoming routine even to their own supporters.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 23, 2017 11:20:32 GMT
Yes JB got a black followed by the red.
Good county final yesterday with very little in it at the end of the day. Crokes had the better forwards and thus got the extra scores to win the game. Both or one of the goal chances taken at the start of the game and at the restart of the second half would have made the game interesting. Crokes would probably recovered from one of them but both taken and the outcome might have been different. The Crokes keeper was excellent for Brendan Murphy's rasper from the throw in.
A fit Young, Daly and Declan thrown into the mix would have tightened this game considerable in the absence of Colm and with the Crokes away from Lewis road.
One of the Crokes mentors could be heard in the stand on the opposite side. This takes away from a brilliant Crokes setup and should be rained for the betterment of this great club.
Hopefully Crokes can go the distance again. The younger Crokes players need to be taken onto the Kerry setup asap, Burns, White and the keeper etc. However this may be problematic if Crokes continue to progress.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 23, 2017 11:42:01 GMT
Veteran - fairly sure the second card for JB was a black and not a yellow - at least that was what it looked like from the stand. Mike Moloney also saw black so in fairness the ref had the full deck of cards with him and he used them. Agree with your comments on Shane Murphy but credit must also go to the sideline who it was clear had a kick out strategy with the Crokes bunching before scattering into the spaces they had created as the ball was kicked. In relation to the Crokes sideline one of their mentors (short fellow) was intent on helping the referee officiate - thought he should have been asked to leave the field and view the game from outside the fence. Until refs take a hard line on encroachments they will continue. Atmosphere was fairly dead in ASP yesterday and there was only a muted excitement at the win by Crokes - perhaps their success is becoming routine even to their own supporters. Didn't know that a Black after a Yellow resulted in a Red - the Red was shown. Johnny was wronged of course.
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Post by celtickeeper on Oct 23, 2017 11:48:46 GMT
Yes of course, I will go into the next north Kerry board meeting and ask for the books and audit them. Another ridiculous comment. Shannon Rangers are punished enough by playing a preliminary round. They are the only team in the County Championship that played only one game Maybe if they had the safety net of knowing they would play two games like everyone else, preparation might be better. There is a lot of good young footballers there and everyone is hopeful that they will come good. I didn’t see anyone looking for St. Brendan’s to be thrown out when Dr. Crokes beat them by 21 points. There was also half a page in one of the local papers going on about Shannon Rangers not fielding in the U21 championship and nothing about the other team that also didn’t field There seems to be an awful lot of anti North Kerry football people around As far as I was aware the County Championship is there so that every one has a chance to play at the elite level in Kerry Historically it was all divisional teams and major clubs I certainly don’t think clubs in Division 2 or 3 should be playing in the County Championship It should be made up of the 9 divisional teams and the top 6 club teams in Division 1 with the team that finished 7th maybe playing the Intermediate champions in a play off Everything seems to be ridiculous to you- you badly need to stop being so dramatic. You keep mentioning that Shannon Rangers are being singled out but the original "ridiculous" comment referenced that the worst performing divisional side should have its clubs penalised. What was wrong with this? The worst performing club gets penalised so why shouldn't the worst performing divisional side? I'm not advocating the removal of any divisional side, just a penalty that might incentivise them to bother. And to answer your question on why are Shannon Rangers being singled out- they were a farce this year in the senior championship. They clearly didnt take it seriously and were hammered by St. Brendans, who as you pointed out arent superb either, but they were comfortable in doing this as they had a safety net. Also it's not anti-North Kerry so keep you persecution complex to yourself- a team who doesnt try and gets hammered will always be ridiculed. There should be a punishment for the worst performing divisional side if for only to uphold the integrity of the competition. So you think asking me to audit the books of the North Kerry Board is sane comment??? Never argue with a fool, they bring you down to their own level and I can see you are beyond reason You are obviously a disgruntled supporter from one of the major clubs languishing in Div 2 and 3 I’ll leave you on this note Why should the clubs be punished or penalized when the divisional side performs badly? If you relegate a divisional team from the County Championship how do the players from the respective clubs get to play in that competition? Sure let’s get the Tralee clubs to play the Killarney clubs and will that be our new County Championship
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 13:10:55 GMT
Everything seems to be ridiculous to you- you badly need to stop being so dramatic. You keep mentioning that Shannon Rangers are being singled out but the original "ridiculous" comment referenced that the worst performing divisional side should have its clubs penalised. What was wrong with this? The worst performing club gets penalised so why shouldn't the worst performing divisional side? I'm not advocating the removal of any divisional side, just a penalty that might incentivise them to bother. And to answer your question on why are Shannon Rangers being singled out- they were a farce this year in the senior championship. They clearly didnt take it seriously and were hammered by St. Brendans, who as you pointed out arent superb either, but they were comfortable in doing this as they had a safety net. Also it's not anti-North Kerry so keep you persecution complex to yourself- a team who doesnt try and gets hammered will always be ridiculed. There should be a punishment for the worst performing divisional side if for only to uphold the integrity of the competition. So you think asking me to audit the books of the North Kerry Board is sane comment??? Never argue with a fool, they bring you down to their own level and I can see you are beyond reason You are obviously a disgruntled supporter from one of the major clubs languishing in Div 2 and 3 I’ll leave you on this note Why should the clubs be punished or penalized when the divisional side performs badly? If you relegate a divisional team from the County Championship how do the players from the respective clubs get to play in that competition? Sure let’s get the Tralee clubs to play the Killarney clubs and will that be our new County Championship My club is in division 1 and had a relatively good season. I'd rather that someone who cant seem to decipher fairly straight forward sentences didnt, in some vain attempt to take some high ground/mask their own lack of understanding, call me a fool. If you read back through the posts then you will see that I have called for a penalty on the clubs and not a divisional team to be relegated. You ask why this should be the case? Well the divisional side is poor because the clubs/club players arent bothering to show up- the only way to incentivise this is to have a downside for such behaviour- this is the basic concept behind having championships with promotion & relegation. On your petty "let’s get the Tralee clubs to play the Killarney clubs and will that be our new County Championship" - I could easily twist your words and say lets enter every team in the senior championship and have no need for relegation, etc. The comment on the NK board was a tongue-in-cheek comment related to the fact that there is a high entrance fee to NK championship matches yet very little money put into preparation of Feale/Shannon Rangers. I'll break this down into a very simple example: 1) We want an equitable championship whereby teams are incentivised to be competitive which ends with the best team winning & the worst relegated- thats the basis for nearly every competition by the way so its a fairly well worn concept. Team A get hammered in a preliminary game whereby they have clearly not put in any effort, are fielding players who would struggle to make their club side. They have clearly put in very little preparation & have zero buy-in from their own players as otherwise the best players would show up. However this is allowed to continue as Team A is immune from relegation and there is absolutely no penalty on such poor preparation & displays Team B puts tries probably as hard as they can, running County semi finalists close in a relegation play-off but come up short. You think that all the downside should be for Team B and there should be no penalty on Team A? Well then you dont have an equitable competition- it is weighted too favourably for Team A. Contrast both teams results against St.Brendans and try tell me that Shannon Rangers deserve to be stay in the championship without any penalty & Kilcummin should be relegated
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2017 13:26:11 GMT
The leinster round robin hurling championship took priority for ballyduff players round the time that shannon rangers would have been trying to get training going. Same with ardfert hurlers involved with brendans and lixnaw lads with feale rangers. The junior and intermediate football ties were all crammed into the same time slot for these players....samethings got to fall down the list of priorities...
I take it kerrybhoy isnt from a dual club
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2017 13:37:36 GMT
The leinster round robin hurling championship took priority for ballyduff players round the time that shannon rangers would have been trying to get training going. Same with ardfert hurlers involved with brendans and lixnaw lads with feale rangers. The junior and intermediate football ties were all crammed into the same time slot for these players....samethings got to fall down the list of priorities... I take it kerrybhoy isnt from a dual club Ardfert are more important to St.Brendans than Ballyduff are to Shannon Rangers- so why did Brendans hockey them? Mick I do agree with you but to blame the dual element is not enough.
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