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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 22:51:52 GMT
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Post by dingle101 on Oct 7, 2017 23:15:41 GMT
Jordan Kiely very impressive always makes an impact off the bench. Crokes by 5/6 in the final.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 7, 2017 23:32:23 GMT
Jordan Kiely very impressive always makes an impact off the bench. Crokes by 5/6 in the final. Jordan is a quality player and had forced himself into the team at the start of the year but unfortunately got injured and ell find it hard to break into a winning team now. Not a bad player to be bringing in with defenders legs tiring, he is probably the most dangerous Crokes forward in my opinion. So elusive,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 1:27:58 GMT
Jordan reminds me of Pat O'Shea a lot when he played.
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Post by pillar on Oct 8, 2017 9:49:10 GMT
South Kerry are a very dogged organised unit and their tackling is superb.They will be an able unit to take on Dr Crokes but the only way they will win the final is to keep it low scoring.They keep all their opponents at arms length so it'll be a case of immovable object vs unstoppable force.You would imagine too that they won't be as naive as West Kerry.Gave Crokes way too much space.A damp October 22nd afternoon in ASP be very interesting
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 9:56:14 GMT
South Kerry are a very dogged organised unit and their tackling is superb.They will be an abe unit to take on Dr Crokes but the only way they will win the final is to keep it low scoring.They keep all their opponents at arms length so it'll be a case of immovable object vs unstoppable force.You would imagine too that they won't as naive as West Kerry.Gave Crokes way too much space.A damp October 22nd afternoon in ASP be very interesting Good post, could be interesting all right if South Kerry make a contest of it in Tralee. It could get colourfully if pitched on the terrace behind the dug outs!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 10:01:28 GMT
Looks to have improved further from last year. It will be interesting to watch him again in the county final.
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Post by diego on Oct 8, 2017 10:04:43 GMT
Are you seriously telling me that Sheehan was the best player on the field in that game. My MOTM was probably Paul O’Sullivan who had Jack Savage in his pocket. Whatever about MOTM, i don't see how you could say Moran was best midfielder on view. Sheehan integral part in most things South Kerry did well. Obviously his free taking was unusually bad (injury he had coming in to the game must have been a factor). Surprised it took so long for Paulie Donoghue to get a chance at one. Paul O'Sullivan excellent as you say, he epitomised the tenacity and spirit that South Kerry have shown for years now in these big games. Had a look back at the game this morning (without the green and gold tinted glasses!), and to be fair David Moran did dominate the battle for primary possession from kickouts. Sheehan had a way more influence in general play though. Got a couple of vital scores in the 1st half, with that score he got off the left foot probably the score of the game. He made a couple of key turnovers in the 2nd half when the game might have been getting away from South Kerry, and some of the surging runs he had in to the Rahillys half at different stages of the game helped to turn the balance of play in South Kerry's favour. It took this brilliant goalline clearance from Danny O'Sullivan to deny him a goal as well. Also broke down the last kick out to Brendan Sullivan who was able to play in Mark Griffin for what turned out to be the winning point. MOTM awards are always a bit pointless when nobody has had a great game, but if you have to give it to someone he was as good a candidate as anyone.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 10:11:37 GMT
Agreed, I wouldn't have much issue with Sheehan getting man MOTM either yesterday. I stand by my assertion that he is the most valuable player in Kerry club football. South Kerry should have won by 5-6 points. They spilled a pile of scoring opportunities.
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Post by glengael on Oct 8, 2017 10:45:42 GMT
Am I correct in saying that even if South Kerry win the County Title, Crokes are through anyway to the Munster Club as Co.Club Champions...
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 11:09:26 GMT
Am I correct in saying that even if South Kerry win the County Title, Crokes are through anyway to the Munster Club as Co.Club Champions... Correct.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 8, 2017 13:45:25 GMT
Stats from both games from Paudie McCarthy twitter.com/McCarthyPaudie8 goals chances created by Crokes tells it's own story, especially when the other 3 sides created 9 chances between them. Also Crokes won 32 kickouts, compared to West Kerry 18, KOR 19, South Kerry 18. Overall there wasn't exactly all that much on display to worry any Dubs who happened to be watching on the telly and it would be a major shock if Crokes don't go on to win the final.
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Post by A.N. Other on Oct 9, 2017 8:31:26 GMT
Two poor games especially the first game. A young Kerins O Rahillys were beaten by a more physical South Kerry team. 7 out of the under 21 championship winning team started for Strand Road so they will improve in the future. 3 injuries in the one game aswell is very tough luck. Paul O'Sullivan was very impressive on Jack Savage, he gave him so space all day and forced quite a few turnovers from Jack also. Sheehan kept the game close in the first half missing 3/4 frees and 45s that he would normally kick. In the second half his strength and class really showed, he walked straight through tackles and won South Kerry the game. I agree with one of the posters here that he is one of the most valuable players in club football in Kerry.
As for the second game, it's a pity that Tomas O'Se got injured. He looked very dangerous and turned his man inside out everytime before either getting a score or being fouled. West Kerry were on top at the start of the second half and Tomas would have been a massive asset to have in this time. If they had 15 men the whole game and Tomas it would have been much closer. As for the Crokes they are something else, well drilled and experienced. Every player knows exactly what they're supposed to be doing and if they're not doing it right there is someone in their ear telling them that. Very hard to see South Kerry getting close to them but the narrower pitch in ASP and their physical backs will test the Crokes forwards. I just don't think South Kerry have enough up front to beat the Crokes.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 9, 2017 9:58:13 GMT
Looking at those stats crokes and SK took almost as many shots as each other. Yet crokes coughed up more scoring opportunities. 28 against 13 coughed up by SK. So crokes will certainly be facing a far better defensive unit in the final. As previous poster alluded to though will SK score enough that them selves. Out there f 28 shots they only scored 12 times. That will need to be improved considerably while trying to restrict crokes scoring chances.
I think it will be close but crokes greater scoring threat to win it.
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Post by hatchetman on Oct 9, 2017 11:27:25 GMT
Is Paul O'Sullivan related to Brendan?
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Post by diego on Oct 9, 2017 12:12:06 GMT
Is Paul O'Sullivan related to Brendan? yes.they're brothers.
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Post by tpo on Oct 9, 2017 12:33:45 GMT
What age is he ?
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Post by diego on Oct 10, 2017 0:22:38 GMT
Not sure now, but I'd say Paul would be around 25.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 12:58:33 GMT
Should be a close game. Really looking forward to it. South Kerry solid at the back. Crokes very dangerous up front. Midfield should cancel each other out. To me Crokes weakness could be their full back line if South Kerry can exploit that. Crokes are sharp up front and with Jordan Kiely David Shaw and either Kieran O'Leary or Tony Brosnan to bring on south kerry will be up against it. That will be the winning of it there I think. South Kerry have been getting better as the year has gone on.
As far as the County Panel. For South Kerry Paul O'Sullivan and Rob Wharton impressed. O'Rahilly's Cormac Coffey. For West Kerry Tomas O'Se. For Crokes Gavin White.
I was also impressed with Ross O'Callaghan Eanna O'Conchuir and Tony Brosnan.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 10, 2017 19:05:33 GMT
Should be a close game. Really looking forward to it. South Kerry solid at the back. Crokes very dangerous up front. Midfield should cancel each other out. To me Crokes weakness could be their full back line if South Kerry can exploit that. Crokes are sharp up front and with Jordan Kiely David Shaw and either Kieran O'Leary or Tony Brosnan to bring on south kerry will be up against it. That will be the winning of it there I think. South Kerry have been getting better as the year has gone on. As far as the County Panel. For South Kerry Paul O'Sullivan and Rob Wharton impressed. O'Rahilly's Cormac Coffey. For West Kerry Tomas O'Se. For Crokes Gavin White. I was also impressed with Ross O'Callaghan Eanna O'Conchuir and Tony Brosnan. I suppose Crokes will win this one pulling up nacrocaigh?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 10, 2017 19:08:40 GMT
Looking at those stats crokes and SK took almost as many shots as each other. Yet crokes coughed up more scoring opportunities. 28 against 13 coughed up by SK. So crokes will certainly be facing a far better defensive unit in the final. As previous poster alluded to though will SK score enough that them selves. Out there f 28 shots they only scored 12 times. That will need to be improved considerably while trying to restrict crokes scoring chances. I think it will be close but crokes greater scoring threat to win it. It is probably not in the South Kerry DNA to go ultra defensive for this game.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 11, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
This final is going to be a lot closer than people expect. South Kerry's one point win on Saturday last is a little flattering to KOR. It was the worst place kicking performance for Brian Sheehan in his whole career and almost certainly down to his niggling groin injury but he did perform well from general play. Paulie O Donoghue might take over this task if Brian's injury does not improve and he is an extremely accomplished kicker. South Kerry really impressed me defensively, and while they did struggle in the forwards for large periods, I fancy their backs to keep Crokes to a respectable score in the final. I think Niall O Shea should start in the final, he gives a little more than Ronan Hussey does at this stage of his career and could be a crucial call if SK are to be in with a chance of turning Crokes over.
I think Crokes might just do enough to get over the line, Crokes by 2-3 points for me.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 11, 2017 9:53:56 GMT
This final is going to be a lot closer than people expect. South Kerry's one point win on Saturday last is a little flattering to KOR. It was the worst place kicking performance for Brian Sheehan in his whole career and almost certainly down to his niggling groin injury but he did perform well from general play. Paulie O Donoghue might take over this task if Brian's injury does not improve and he is an extremely accomplished kicker. South Kerry really impressed me defensively, and while they did struggle in the forwards for large periods, I fancy their backs to keep Crokes to a respectable score in the final. I think Niall O Shea should start in the final, he gives a little more than Ronan Hussey does at this stage of his career and could be a crucial call if SK are to be in with a chance of turning Crokes over. I think Crokes might just do enough to get over the line, Crokes by 2-3 points for me. Agree with much of the above but really think SK will struggle to get scores - Paul O'Donoghue, Ronan Hussey & Matthew O'Sullivan managed one point in total between them from play and all 3 were replaced - a repeat performance will see them well off the pace. Defensively SK were tough & physical and Crokes may find it difficult to get scores - however, KO'R took the ball into contact far too often and I can't see the same happening to Crokes.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 11, 2017 12:46:11 GMT
Crokes are well ahead of the pack in Kerry but are also All-Ireland contenders. The standard in Kerry at senior level has dropped in my opinion while at junior and intermediate level the clubs seem to be thriving.
I don't know why it is not happening at senior club level?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
I expect Crokes to have too much firepower for South Kerry and they have a stronger bench. It will be close however and if it's raining anything can happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:08:27 GMT
My Championship team
1 Shane Murphy
2 Brian O'Beaglaoich 3 Ross O'Callaghan 4 Paul O'Sullivan
5 Gavin White 6 Cormac Coffey 7 Rob Wharton
8 David Moran 9 Bryan Sheehan
10 Mike Burns 11 Rob O'Se 12 Daithi Casey
13 Colm Cooper 14 Eanna O'Conchuir 15 Tomas O'Se
Others close Tomas Mac an tSaoir Mark Griffin Brendan O'Sullivan Paul O'Donoghue Sean O'Shea
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 12, 2017 6:52:26 GMT
I didn't see earlier rounds but based on the quarter and semi finals I would not disagree with much of that na crocaigh. Dara O' Se impressed me in both games against Stacks and Crokes and I think he would be more suited in the centre half forward role instead of Rob O' Se, who is also a fine player but struggled against Crokes. I thought Karl Mullins did well for KOR over their 2 games that I saw. Danny O'Sullivan had an outstanding performance in the semi final and deserves a mention on that lone performance itself. He's tigerish, committed, a leader on the field and overall a very solid defender. Did you think Pauly O Donoghue has had a good championship to date? I would disagree, he has disappointed me in their 2 games I have seen but I know he has plenty of quality in him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 12:52:27 GMT
I agree about Dara O'Se I had to include Rob he had a great year but Moran and Sheehan have played well. Paul O'Donoghue did not play that well v O'Rahilly's but he was good in the earlier rounds. His link up play and picking up loose ball is important to South Kerry.
Not a lot of great forwards in this years championship. Paul Geaney was very good for Dingle. Sean O'Shea was good. I thought Con Barrett had a good year for O'Rahilly's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 12:54:10 GMT
I also think Paul O'Sullivan is worth a look for Kerry at Corner Back.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 12, 2017 15:40:31 GMT
The first game was not good. Lots of individual mistakes, poor passing, poor handling, poor shooting. Did the fact the game was live on TV get to a few players perhaps? South Kerrys backs were well able to get a handle (literally a lot of the time it has to be said) on the Rahillys forwards. Paul O Sullivan is a sticky back. Rob Wharton was not as good as he was the last day out. T hey have top quality subs who have all played for Kerry to come on - Niall Shea, Oran Clifford and Ian Galvin all made impacts. David Moran came into the game in the second half. If Sheehan had his kicking boots on he would have scored 8 or 9 points. Rahillys had the wrong man on him, I would have stuck Cormac Coffey on Sheehan. People on here calling for Jack Savage to be centre forward for Kerry will have their eyes opened today. Barry John, well he was Barry John. Missed a 20m free in the first half in front of the posts, kicked a brilliant point from play in the 2nd half. His free in injury time that he scored, he kicked it off the outside of his boot. He got a free from the exact same position to level it and shaped up totally differently and tried to curl it over off the inside of his boot. All in all there was very little between the two starting 15s but South Kerry had players to come and make a difference while Rahillys didnt (incidentally, it was the same for Rathmore 2 weeks ago). The second game failed to catch fire. Once Tomas O Se went off the game swung totally Crokes way. When Hickson was sent off it was always going to be a case of Crokes playing champagne football as they had oceans of space in the last 20 minutes. Crokes were generally very sharp and didnt waste many chances. The gulf between themselves and the other club and district teams was summed up today. West Kerry brought on a young fella who was a sub for the Kerry minors this year (in fairness to him, he did fine when he came on). After this sub was made Crokes brought on Jordan Kiely, Shane Dolan, Ambrose, Paul Clarke and gave David Shaw a run out. Chris Brady and Leary werent available. Eanna O Connor was probably West Kerrys best players and could be worth a look next year with Kerry. Begley marked Gooch in the first half and tried to drive up the field as much as possible. He is needed in the Kerry full back line next year. Gavin White has to get game time on the league. Daithi Casey is worth another look too. Surely this fact alone indicates that it is going to be a close final. Neither side has an advantage when it comes to bringing on subs with ten mins to go.
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