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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2017 13:14:37 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 6, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
I see alot of talk by certain journos and pundits in the media that a loss would be detrimental to Kerry. I don't agree with this. One scribe even used the word "catastrophe". While a win would be of course welcome, I'd accept a defeat as long as there are signs we're starting to get closer to the Dubs, getting under their skin, lasting the course with them. Championship is the be all and end all.
If O'Donoghue isn't fit for Sunday it's a big blow, not just for Sunday but for later in the year. In my view he needed a full, uninterrupted League campaign to be firing on all cylinders come August/September.
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Post by fitz on Apr 6, 2017 15:34:28 GMT
I see alot of talk by certain journos and pundits in the media that a loss would be detrimental to Kerry. I don't agree with this. One scribe even used the word "catastrophe". While a win would be of course welcome, I'd accept a defeat as long as there are signs we're starting to get closer to the Dubs, getting under their skin, lasting the course with them. Championship is the be all and end all. If O'Donoghue isn't fit for Sunday it's a big blow, not just for Sunday but for later in the year. In my view he needed a full, uninterrupted League campaign to be firing on all cylinders come August/September. What happened with JOD ? He walked off the field in Roscommon fine. Injury in training?
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Post by fitz on Apr 6, 2017 15:45:45 GMT
Kerry are feeling no heat. Dublin are expected to win and rightly favourites. This bullsh1t about catastrophe is exactly that bullsh1t. The only way Sunday will be a negative is if we get tonked/mullered. I can't see that happening based on what I've watched this year. If they deliver a battling 70 mins and it's not good enough, well I can accept that and still think it will provide more insight into how to play Dublin the next time. I actually didn't mind Philly's comments at all, they sounded consistent and aligned to what he said to Gooch after 2015 re: this is what I'm prepared to do to win. He's recognizing that many of Kerry's players are now zoning in on that model, and he's happy enough and expects that is what should happen. He's also obviously quite confident Dublin can absorb that, adapt and win, clearly indicating that for himself too. I think his assessment is pretty open and fair and I thought he pretty much indicated Paul Curran was being a tool with his "shame" comment when he answered the question about what Curran said "Did he???"
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Post by fitz on Apr 6, 2017 15:49:15 GMT
Kerry are feeling no heat. Dublin are expected to win and rightly favourites. This bullsh1t about catastrophe is exactly that bullsh1t. The only way Sunday will be a negative is if we get tonked/mullered. I can't see that happening based on what I've watched this year. If they deliver a battling 70 mins and it's not good enough, well I can accept that and still think it will provide more insight into how to play Dublin the next time. I actually didn't mind Philly's comments at all, they sounded consistent and aligned to what he said to Gooch after 2015 re: this is what I'm prepared to do to win. He's recognizing that many of Kerry's players are now zoning in on that model, and he's happy enough and expects that is what should happen. He's also obviously quite confident Dublin can absorb that, adapt and win, clearly indicating that for himself too. I think his assessment is pretty open and fair and I thought he pretty much indicated Paul Curran was being a tool with his "shame" comment when he answered the question about what Curran said "Did he???" Oops - for all that I'm aware of 'mullered' (© SkyBluezone) - hope alright to use
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 6, 2017 15:55:37 GMT
I see alot of talk by certain journos and pundits in the media that a loss would be detrimental to Kerry. I don't agree with this. One scribe even used the word "catastrophe". While a win would be of course welcome, I'd accept a defeat as long as there are signs we're starting to get closer to the Dubs, getting under their skin, lasting the course with them. Championship is the be all and end all. If O'Donoghue isn't fit for Sunday it's a big blow, not just for Sunday but for later in the year. In my view he needed a full, uninterrupted League campaign to be firing on all cylinders come August/September. What happened with JOD ? He walked off the field in Roscommon fine. Injury in training? A kick in the calf in training before the Dublin game by all accounts.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Apr 6, 2017 20:04:35 GMT
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 6, 2017 20:56:55 GMT
I think this game is getting side tracked by some into a blame game of who did what to each other in previous meetings. I could easily put up numerous pictures of Kerry boys choking or holding down Dublin lads and I'm sure you could see my pictures and raise me with more of your own. Either way you will see it from a Green and Gold perspective and I'll see it from a Blue perspective. Similar with explayers and journalists they will just toe the party line. Unfortunetly the game has entered a new dimmension now, for some defenders and midfielders now their job is not to look to where a ball is going to land , but where their opposite number ( or player they have been assigned to) might run to and then try and block that route, the ball has become secondary for certain positions on the pitch. This then leads to numerous tussles all over the pitch as players try to exert their dominance usually with the ball down the other end of the pitch. ( I think it's got to the stage that a second referee is needed to cover areas of the pitch that first ref can't see while he is following the ball , ) Kerry had lads assigned to block certain Dublin players runs in Tralee. Dublin also had lads making sure Kerry lads didn't break from the half back line. We had lads blocking Monaghon lads runs off the ball last Sunday ,Monaghon lads were blocking some Dublin lads from making runs. Im sure Tyrone and Kerry did also last week. Because of this the ref has become even more important. Fitzmaurice and Gavin both know this. So both getting their spoke in early. Both being generous with the truth when describing previous events and both having selective amnesia when it suits. Having said that its still great to have this game to look forward to , I'm not even thinking about laying down markers or what the result will mean come summer, because truth is no one knows what effect the result will have on either team. maybe they won't get meet again this year after this game. I know Sunday will be a battle , with hard hits and some great football. May the best team win .
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Post by mitchelsontour on Apr 6, 2017 21:21:05 GMT
I think this game is getting side tracked by some into a blame game of who did what to each other in previous meetings. I could easily put up numerous pictures of Kerry boys choking or holding down Dublin lads and I'm sure you could see my pictures and raise me with more of your own. Either way you will see it from a Green and Gold perspective and I'll see it from a Blue perspective. Similar with explayers and journalists they will just toe the party line. Unfortunetly the game has entered a new dimmension now, for some defenders and midfielders now their job is not to look to where a ball is going to land , but where their opposite number ( or player they have been assigned to) might run to and then try and block that route, the ball has become secondary for certain positions on the pitch. This then leads to numerous tussles all over the pitch as players try to exert their dominance usually with the ball down the other end of the pitch. ( I think it's got to the stage that a second referee is needed to cover areas of the pitch that first ref can't see while he is following the ball , ) Kerry had lads assigned to block certain Dublin players runs in Tralee. Dublin also had lads making sure Kerry lads didn't break from the half back line. We had lads blocking Monaghon lads runs off the ball last Sunday ,Monaghon lads were blocking some Dublin lads from making runs. Im sure Tyrone and Kerry did also last week. Because of this the ref has become even more important. Fitzmaurice and Gavin both know this. So both getting their spoke in early. Both being generous with the truth when describing previous events and both having selective amnesia when it suits. Having said that its still great to have this game to look forward to , I'm not even thinking about laying down markers or what the result will mean come summer, because truth is no one knows what effect the result will have on either team. maybe they won't get meet again this year after this game. I know Sunday will be a battle , with hard hits and some great football. May the best team win . I agree panther, but just had to show that in reference to Eamonn Fitz's comments. Looking forward to a good battle on Sunday
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2017 21:30:33 GMT
Good post panther. By the way did you cringe at the campaign against lee keegan last knowing the dark arts the dubs themselves get up to. I admire phillys honesty... He says he will do what ever it takes to win and is upfront in that.
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 6, 2017 21:50:46 GMT
What will the attendance be like? It was a full house for league final last year
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Post by peanuts on Apr 6, 2017 22:00:16 GMT
What will the attendance be like? It was a full house for league final last year I don't think the upper stands will be open. At least tickets don't seem to be on sale.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 6, 2017 22:19:18 GMT
Good post panther. By the way did you cringe at the campaign against lee keegan last knowing the dark arts the dubs themselves get up to. I admire phillys honesty... He says he will do what ever it takes to win and is upfront in that. Had my blue tinted glasses firmly on around that time , but I do like Keegan , great player. I thought he showed great character coming onto the pitch after the game to shake Connollys hand. Similarily Lee also said he would do whatever it takes to win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 6:32:10 GMT
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Post by keane on Apr 7, 2017 8:02:34 GMT
That article is going to seriously rustle some jimmies.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 7, 2017 9:29:27 GMT
Great piece by Colm Keyes, one of the finest journalists out there, perhaps.
Best of luck to both teams as usual, always a great build-up to these great clashes between ferocious rivals, would we want it any other way? As many great Kerry players and former players have often said, "we love playing them, the atmosphere is always special, nothing can compare to these occasions".
Plenty of controversy and passion. Safe trip to all those travelling, no doubt there will be a huge Kerry support in their home from home as usual, could be a famous day, always something momentous anyway.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2017 9:58:13 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kerry-have-upped-the-physical-stakes-447223.htmlKerry have upped the physical stakes“When I hear Kerry talking about Dublin football or other counties, I take it with a large pinch of salt.” The remarks of Jim Gavin in July 2015 when Darragh Ó Sé suggested an All-Ireland quarter-final with Fermanagh wasn’t what Dublin needed. Éamonn Fitzmaurice might have said the same were he asked about yesterday’s Irish Examiner in which former Dublin midfielder Paul Bealin said Kerry didn’t want to be facing the All-Ireland champions so soon after their draw in Tralee. That may be the case for some supporters but sources close to the Kerry camp insist his comments after Sunday’s win over Tyrone — “it’s another opportunity to have a crack at the best team in the country and that can only help us improve”, are true to his feelings. Dublin, be it in an official capacity or unofficial, are keener than ever to speak about other teams. Gavin, two years ago, notably made no demarcation between what Ó Sé wrote in his column and the Kerry camp. Mayo would argue they saw no difference between Paul Clarke’s pre-final replay comments about Lee Keegan and the thoughts of his friend and former team-mate Gavin, who he deputised for during January’s O’Byrne Cup. Likewise, Kerry now find it difficult to separate Paul Curran’s “ashamed” comments about Kerry from his old colleague Gavin and Philly McMahon’s own references to last month’s draw in Tralee. We have spoken in these pages before about the idea of a county or province, in more ways than one, getting behind a team. Whenever an Ulster side has reached September, the “Team Ulster” philosophy is evident. With pointed remarks about the opposition, former players and pundits illustrate their support. That has always been the case in Kerry although their brand of it is more subtle. However, the same can’t be said for Dublin whose determination to influence “the narrative”, as Fitzmaurice puts it, is obvious. For so long, Dublin weren’t signed up to the one-for-all-and-one-for-all idea. There would always be one or two former players or managers who wouldn’t read from the script (that remains the case in Mayo). However, there was little disguising the intent of Clarke last September when he singled out Keegan — “I actually think Lee is conceding his footballing ability by pulling and dragging rather than pitching himself against him as a footballer.” Likewise, when Curran damned Kerry’s display in Tralee, saying they “really should be ashamed of themselves” there was a message being conveyed. Those in the capital may argue such words are being spoken because Dublin require protection but then that doesn’t tally with McMahon’s recollection of his conversation with Colm Cooper after the 2015 final. “I said, ‘This is the way that I play football, this is what you have to do to win a game. I am going to do what I can to beat you and you are going to do what you can to beat me.’ And he said, ‘fair enough’, and then we shook hands.” Or his comments before last year’s final: “I like to think I’m a nice person off the pitch. On the pitch, I’m there to do what I can to help my team win.” And at Monday’s Allianz League final launch, McMahon was saying Dublin weren’t complaining about Kerry being more physical but qualified: “The way Kerry played in Tralee, that’s what they had to do and it’s not down to me to judge that. I’m a player, it’s down to the officials to police that.” In truth, Kerry have upped it in the physical stakes. Donnchadh Walsh telegraphed in January when he said Mayo had set the example in that regard against Dublin. Recalling last year, he said: “Dublin didn’t play as well in those two All-Ireland finals and that was probably Mayo not allowing them to play as well as we allowed them to play. I think there’s something in how Mayo were maybe able to match them for that physicality on both days and if we had had that, that physicality, we might have brought their performance down a peg or two.” Fitzmaurice seems as perturbed with “the narrative” as he does of Kerry falling foul of another cruel refereeing decision this Sunday. Dublin have truly been the better team this decade but calls from 2011 onwards still rankle in Kerry. The earlier unpunished foul which impacted on Declan O'Sullivan in the build-up to McManamon's goal and McManamon’s double-hop. The 2014 league game when the Kerry manager found fault with David Coldrick’s display — “We found it very hard to get frees in the second half close to goal. Dublin didn’t. “ Last year’s league final when Fitzmaurice lambasted the “rape and pillage going on in front of the goals at the other side (Dublin defence) in the second-half and we didn’t get anything”. David Gough’s failure to see McManamon’s crucial foul on Peter Crowley — “I don’t want to be looking at the paper tomorrow and it’s saying: Fitzmaurice said this about the ref,” the Finuge man uttered with half of his tongue bitten off. Gavin has been clever in his media dealings this year, not just restricting them to post-match press conferences but referring back to previous games when he believes Dublin have been victims of either refereeing decisions or unpunished foul play. It wasn’t until after last Sunday’s Monaghan game that he mentioned what he felt went on the week before in Austin Stack Park — “I can’t speak for Kerry. “There was a lot of off-the-ball activity in that game. All I can speak for is how Dublin approach the game and we’ll continue to play our traditional style of football.” Cooper’s retirement on its own had changed “the narrative” ahead of Sunday’s final but Fitzmaurice had clearly decided enough was enough. As he said, those at the game in Tralee would have appreciated both teams were indulging in the dark arts. Make no mistake Kerry were aggressors at times — Tadhg Morley constantly pulled and dragged out of Ciarán Kilkenny and Brian Fenton’s progress was illegitimately curtailed on occasions — but then Adrian Spillane came off worse in his off-the-ball spat with Eric Lowndes and Stephen Cluxton reacted angrily to Paul Geaney kicking away one of his footballs, which prompted a melee. If Gavin felt Dublin’s football was good enough alone to win an All-Ireland, his team would be whiter than white but they’re not and that’s fine but don’t expect not to be pulled up when saying otherwise. Likewise, if football alone was sufficient to go all the way, Gavin wouldn’t be playing mind games. For Dublin to be as great as they are, resorting to such evils are necessary. They’re kidding themselves and everyone else if they think they’re not.
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Post by bilythewalsh on Apr 7, 2017 10:55:30 GMT
There must be a chance Donaghy will join the squad in Dublin, if he's done with the basketball for the season.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 7, 2017 11:30:56 GMT
Great piece by Colm Keyes, one of the finest journalists out there, perhaps.Best of luck to both teams as usual, always a great build-up to these great clashes between ferocious rivals, would we want it any other way? As many great Kerry players and former players have often said, "we love playing them, the atmosphere is always special, nothing can compare to these occasions". Plenty of controversy and passion. Safe trip to all those travelling, no doubt there will be a huge Kerry support in their home from home as usual, could be a famous day, always something momentous anyway. One of the best and most fair for sure. Good article by Colm Keys today too. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html
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Post by keane on Apr 7, 2017 12:32:28 GMT
John Fogarty had a good cut off Jim Gavin and his traditionalist Dublin with their noble intentions and innocent actions shtick today as well
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Post by buck02 on Apr 7, 2017 12:53:30 GMT
Remember in 2011 when the narrative was (in the midst of the Rugby World Cup) that it would be good for the game if Dublin won an All Ireland.
I wonder has the narrative changed?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
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Post by fitz on Apr 7, 2017 13:50:18 GMT
Tom, I just get a list of search results, mostly GAA related - it looks like just the search URL above as opposed to the landing page of the article you wished to flag?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2017 14:01:58 GMT
Tom, I just get a list of search results, mostly GAA related - it looks like just the search URL above as opposed to the landing page of the article you wished to flag? Exactly. They are a search for 'good dublin gaa win' between January 2010 and the day before the 2011 final. I don't find anything. My name isn't Tom.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 7, 2017 14:14:09 GMT
Might surprise you Annascaul, but you cant find the answer to everything by doing a google search.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2017 14:25:23 GMT
Might surprise you Annascaul, but you cant find the answer to everything by doing a google search. A fair comment... but we can find newspaper articles and I can't seem to find any.
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Post by baurtregaum on Apr 7, 2017 14:54:52 GMT
I remember reading one after they had won about how the so called lesser counties surrounding them had supported them, (or something along those lines) the likes of Cavan, etc and there was a feeling that they were due one for sure. I don't have the link for it but I read it on here. Is that a "narrative"? Team named tonight I presume.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2017 15:10:15 GMT
I remember reading one after they had won about how the so called lesser counties surrounding them had supported them, (or something along those lines) the likes of Cavan, etc and there was a feeling that they were due one for sure. I don't have the link for it but I read it on here. Is that a "narrative"? Team named tonight I presume. Did you mention cavan by design. I could have swore i saw mcquillan driving a subaru around cavan town after the kerry-cavan match last week
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2017 15:18:14 GMT
It is a narrative about a person's journey in trying to remember an article that may or may not have been real and may or may not have mentioned Cavan... I'm sorry, I'm only taking the piss there.
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