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Post by blackisbad on Apr 4, 2017 7:34:12 GMT
Name calling ? Very mature by you ... That's a really good answer. That took a lot of thought and time i'd say. My level of Maturity depends on who i'm responding to. It's not an answer it was an observation
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2017 7:35:08 GMT
In my opinion nacrocaigh shows no bias towards crokes. He is a straightshooter who calls it as he sees it. He would be better off not responding to some taunts though... In my opinion
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Post by blackisbad on Apr 4, 2017 7:47:52 GMT
In my opinion nacrocaigh shows no bias towards crokes. He is a straightshooter who calls it as he sees it. He would be better off not responding to some taunts though... In my opinion I for one never said he showed bias towards crokes but I do think it's very sad that he called another poster a tool and it shows a serious lack of maturity . Also I'm in no way taunting him .
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 4, 2017 7:57:31 GMT
Good man hurlingman!!! The name says it all. Are you Complaining about me Complaining?. I don't think Mommy gave you enough attention when you were young. Is that why you picked up the Hurley? and ran around the meadow. Now I know you're a Crokes fan don't hide it. It's not working. So how many do you think should be on the Panel??. Just the reply that id expect from you. I think you're the one who didn't get enough attention going by your comments on here
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 4, 2017 8:01:08 GMT
The Gooch retirement takes a lot of attention away from this match...
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Post by inforthebreaks on Apr 4, 2017 9:55:27 GMT
Philly McMahon: If Kerry need to mix it to win, so be it Cornerback puts streak down to toughness ahead of facing Kerry in Allianz League final about 10 hours ago Seán Moran
0 Dublin’s Philly McMahon: “We know that we can’t stop; we’re going to play right until the end”. Photograph: Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile
Dublin’s Philly McMahon: “We know that we can’t stop; we’re going to play right until the end”. Photograph: Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile
In a way it’s an obvious attitude. Otherwise Dublin wouldn’t have established such a track record of resisting defeat. On Sunday in Clones many in the large attendance and even some in the press box were coming to the conclusion that Monaghan were about to end the record.
Leading their visitors by six points as the third quarter, Malachy O’Rourke’s team had looked sufficiently parsimonious at the back to make that margin last until full-time.
So despite the abundant evidence of the All-Ireland champions’ powers of recovery, it looked as if they would be starting their next match with the 35-match unbeaten slate wiped clean. Those in a position to influence the outcome naturally saw things in a different light.
“I think mentally we’re tough,” said experienced Dublin corner back Philly McMahon in a certain understatement at Monday’s promotional event for next weekend’s AFL finals, organised by sponsors Allianz.
“We know that we can’t stop; we’re going to play right until the end. We played Monaghan on Sunday and when they scored the goal, you have players running up into your face celebrating and you think: ‘hold on a second, they think this game is over.’
“And they’re probably thinking in their head, ‘when is this going to be over?’ For us, it’s not. We nearly want the ref to play ten minutes more. Whether we’re winning comfortably or it’s a tight game, that’s the way I look at it.” Over-wrought
The inexorable progress continues. Next Sunday, in pursuit of a fifth successive league title Dublin play Kerry in a repeat of last year’s spring climax, which saw McMahon and his team comfortable winners. Your guide to the best sport on tv this week Your guide to the best sport on tv this week
The match will come just three weeks after the over-wrought divisional meeting of the counties in Tralee, punctuated by off-the-ball fouling and yellow cards and decided by Paul Mannion’s late equalising point, which meant that Dublin had equalled the 84-year old record unbeaten run of Kerry.
It was highly charged stuff and set quite an agenda for the counties’ next meeting, which has materialised unexpectedly soon after Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s team vaulted into second place in the Division One table on the closing afternoon of the regulation league.
If that’s the way they have to play to beat us, that’s what they have to do. We can only control what we do.
Unsurprisingly McMahon plays a straight bat on the implications of what happened in the flickering shadows cast by the Stack Park floodlights.
“There was a lot of talk after it. I was surprised by it. What are you expecting?! We’re playing Kerry down in Tralee. There’s talk and hype about this unbeaten run. The Dublin fans all travel. The atmosphere was electric. Kerry got a good start and there’s always going to be that physicality.
“If that’s the way they have to play to beat us, that’s what they have to do. We can only control what we do. That’s the way it is. Dublin equalled the 84-year old record unbeaten run of Kerry in March’s over-wrought league meeting in Tralee. Photograph: Cathal Noonan/Inpho Dublin equalled the 84-year old record unbeaten run of Kerry in March’s over-wrought league meeting in Tralee. Photograph: Cathal Noonan/Inpho
“They were certainly more physical in the last game in Tralee. There was certainly more pulling and dragging on both teams, so this is – as I said – it’s probably not the orthodox way Kerry are known for, but if that’s the way they have to play to win games, that’s up to them.”
He probably knew that his former club manager Paul Curran would crop up. The Dublin All-Ireland medallist and 1995 Footballer of the Year said last week in his Evening Herald column that Kerry “should be ashamed of themselves” for the Tralee display. He may or may not have anticipated the counties re-acquainting this quickly.
“Hmm. That’s Paul’s opinion,” said McMahon. “My opinion on the way Kerry played in Tralee: that’s what they had to do and it’s down to me to judge that, I’m a player; it’s down to the officials to police that and that’s it. Why would you be ashamed to win a game and what way you try to win is irrelevant?” Intensified physicality
Was the intensified physicality of the match three weeks ago further evidence that the long, barren spell against Dublin – an unparalleled four successive defeats in championship and two years since the only league win in the last five – is beginning to get to Kerry?
“It could be; I don’t know. You’d have to ask Kerry that but there was certainly a bit of off the ball stuff but again, that’s why the game is so exciting . . . like I don’t commend off-the-ball stuff but so what – let’s get on with it. If it’s something that’s really bad then let the officials deal with it but let the two of us go at it and see who comes out the victors.”
He does accept that for teams to develop specific strategies to counter Dublin is in its own way a compliment of sorts.
“It possibly means that they are thinking a little bit more about you than they are about themselves. I don’t know, we’ve never set out to do that so I’ve never experienced it. As a collective have we went out to contain teams? I’d be lying if I said we weren’t working on certain things like that but it certainly wouldn’t have been to that extent.”
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2017 10:02:56 GMT
Philly is a shrewd bucko
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 4, 2017 10:54:29 GMT
We have been blowing hot and cold during the league but as the economists say the underlying trend has been positive in my opinion. In all the games we lost “the attitude” is what is always criticised. I think this is a manifestation of tiredness following a week of intensive training.
Any team can play badly but only a good team can play like Kerry did against Donegal, Dublin and Tyrone. Sunday’s performance would suggest that they didn’t overdo it last week so if they take it easy this week I believe we can do it.
We criticize Kerry, with some justification, for not being able to close out games. The other side of the coin is that Dublin continuously pull games out of the fire. Why can't they set themselves up going into the last quarter against the better teams with a comfortable lead?
If they are so good why is it always fire brigade action in the last 5 minutes?
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 4, 2017 12:47:58 GMT
Kerry to win next Sunday by 4 points. Dublin are a very good team but I wouldn't call them great. They've had some very 'lucky' breaks over the last number of years most notably against Kerry and Mayo in big matches (Kevin Mc goal in 2011.... How many steps?, Kevin mc challenge on Crowley last year, Kerry one point down in injury time and free straight in front of posts for Sheehan if correct call made, instead Dublin go down and man Crowley was marking slots point and Dubs win by two.... We need to believe more in ourselves, we are KERRY after all. We shouldn't be looking up to any team..... We have the talent, now we need to believe. We are better than this Dublin team! What makes them not great? Winning Three all Ireland's in a row would make them great. They have a massive pick in terms of population size when compared to the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal. They have drawn three league games this year and performed at a very average level in most of their games, having to come from behind to snatch draws and wins. I think some dodgy refereeing has help them a lot in the last few years - John Small black card incident, Lee Keegan getting black carded for what was a free at most, Kevin Mc getting a 45 when umpire who was right on top of it said wide.... The list goes on. Kerry have the beating of them but now we need that rub of the green. Mayo had the beating of them as well over the last few years but their own lack of self belief hindered them. I wouldn't put this Dublin team in the same league as a Kerry team that contested 8 out of 10 All Ireland's in the noughties or the golden era team before that. They get away with far too much off the ball stuff ( and yes I know every team is at it now, but not to the same extent). Blocking runners coming from deep to support the play ( Ryan McHugh yellow carded for tussling with Connolly last year, McHugh was coming to support the play and Connolly wrapped him up and brought him to the ground, Referee then came back and gave both yellows when Connolly was the man who prevented McHugh from getting up the pitch).
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 4, 2017 13:26:06 GMT
What makes them not great? Winning Three all Ireland's in a row would make them great. They have a massive pick in terms of population size when compared to the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal. They have drawn three league games this year and performed at a very average level in most of their games, having to come from behind to snatch draws and wins. I think some dodgy refereeing has help them a lot in the last few years - John Small black card incident, Lee Keegan getting black carded for what was a free at most, Kevin Mc getting a 45 when umpire who was right on top of it said wide.... The list goes on. Kerry have the beating of them but now we need that rub of the green. Mayo had the beating of them as well over the last few years but their own lack of self belief hindered them. I wouldn't put this Dublin team in the same league as a Kerry team that contested 8 out of 10 All Ireland's in the noughties or the golden era team before that. They get away with far too much off the ball stuff ( and yes I know every team is at it now, but not to the same extent). Blocking runners coming from deep to support the play ( Ryan McHugh yellow carded for tussling with Connolly last year, McHugh was coming to support the play and Connolly wrapped him up and brought him to the ground, Referee then came back and gave both yellows when Connolly was the man who prevented McHugh from getting up the pitch). Some completely subjective examples you've given. The same could be said for every county team. If teams have the beating of them then why aren't they beating them? Another poster said Kerry are better than Dublin. Where is the evidence of that? If they achieve the 3 in a row this year, you will then deem them great? They've always had a bigger pick. Your point? You point to them coming from behind to get a result like it's a bad thing. In my opinion it's this attribute that is the most impressive thing about them. One day it won't work out for them the way they believe it will though.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 4, 2017 14:32:26 GMT
Crowley hasn't been right this year. Before each of the last 4 games he's undergone a fitness test. He must be carrying some sort of a knock.
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Post by kot on Apr 4, 2017 15:55:41 GMT
What makes them not great? Winning Three all Ireland's in a row would make them great. They have a massive pick in terms of population size when compared to the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal. They have drawn three league games this year and performed at a very average level in most of their games, having to come from behind to snatch draws and wins. I think some dodgy refereeing has help them a lot in the last few years - John Small black card incident, Lee Keegan getting black carded for what was a free at most, Kevin Mc getting a 45 when umpire who was right on top of it said wide.... The list goes on. Kerry have the beating of them but now we need that rub of the green. Mayo had the beating of them as well over the last few years but their own lack of self belief hindered them. I wouldn't put this Dublin team in the same league as a Kerry team that contested 8 out of 10 All Ireland's in the noughties or the golden era team before that. They get away with far too much off the ball stuff ( and yes I know every team is at it now, but not to the same extent). Blocking runners coming from deep to support the play ( Ryan McHugh yellow carded for tussling with Connolly last year, McHugh was coming to support the play and Connolly wrapped him up and brought him to the ground, Referee then came back and gave both yellows when Connolly was the man who prevented McHugh from getting up the pitch). Ahhhh come off it, rub of the green or not. If they win 3 all irelands & 4/5 leagues in a row they are a great team!!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2017 16:02:47 GMT
Dublin up there with kerry and tyrone from the noughties in my opinion. But given the population, funding etc anything less that five in a row will be an underachievement.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 4, 2017 16:29:55 GMT
Paddy Neilan of Roscommon will be the referee.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 4, 2017 18:14:50 GMT
Paddy Neilan of Roscommon will be the referee. Never heard of him which I take is a good thing.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 4, 2017 20:06:26 GMT
Winning Three all Ireland's in a row would make them great. They have a massive pick in terms of population size when compared to the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal. They have drawn three league games this year and performed at a very average level in most of their games, having to come from behind to snatch draws and wins. I think some dodgy refereeing has help them a lot in the last few years - John Small black card incident, Lee Keegan getting black carded for what was a free at most, Kevin Mc getting a 45 when umpire who was right on top of it said wide.... The list goes on. Kerry have the beating of them but now we need that rub of the green. Mayo had the beating of them as well over the last few years but their own lack of self belief hindered them. I wouldn't put this Dublin team in the same league as a Kerry team that contested 8 out of 10 All Ireland's in the noughties or the golden era team before that. They get away with far too much off the ball stuff ( and yes I know every team is at it now, but not to the same extent). Blocking runners coming from deep to support the play ( Ryan McHugh yellow carded for tussling with Connolly last year, McHugh was coming to support the play and Connolly wrapped him up and brought him to the ground, Referee then came back and gave both yellows when Connolly was the man who prevented McHugh from getting up the pitch). Some completely subjective examples you've given. The same could be said for every county team. If teams have the beating of them then why aren't they beating them? Another poster said Kerry are better than Dublin. Where is the evidence of that? If they achieve the 3 in a row this year, you will then deem them great? They've always had a bigger pick. Your point? You point to them coming from behind to get a result like it's a bad thing. In my opinion it's this attribute that is the most impressive thing about them. One day it won't work out for them the way they believe it will though. If they win 3 All Irelands in a row then yes, that would make them a great team. No way in Gods earthly world could you say every county gets the rub of the green the way the Dubs do! I'm sorry now, but some of the decisions going their way with the last number of years is crazy. The GAA need a winning Dublin team! My point about them coming from behind is they are struggling against teams now that they were steam rolling in the past.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 4, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
Winning Three all Ireland's in a row would make them great. They have a massive pick in terms of population size when compared to the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal. They have drawn three league games this year and performed at a very average level in most of their games, having to come from behind to snatch draws and wins. I think some dodgy refereeing has help them a lot in the last few years - John Small black card incident, Lee Keegan getting black carded for what was a free at most, Kevin Mc getting a 45 when umpire who was right on top of it said wide.... The list goes on. Kerry have the beating of them but now we need that rub of the green. Mayo had the beating of them as well over the last few years but their own lack of self belief hindered them. I wouldn't put this Dublin team in the same league as a Kerry team that contested 8 out of 10 All Ireland's in the noughties or the golden era team before that. They get away with far too much off the ball stuff ( and yes I know every team is at it now, but not to the same extent). Blocking runners coming from deep to support the play ( Ryan McHugh yellow carded for tussling with Connolly last year, McHugh was coming to support the play and Connolly wrapped him up and brought him to the ground, Referee then came back and gave both yellows when Connolly was the man who prevented McHugh from getting up the pitch). Ahhhh come off it, rub of the green or not. If they win 3 all irelands & 4/5 leagues in a row they are a great team!! IF they win.... And yes, IF they do then they will be great. People saying they are the greatest team ever..... I'm sorry now but Kerry '78 to '86 much better in my book. Different generation but you play what's in front of you.
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Post by fitz on Apr 4, 2017 22:04:26 GMT
Some completely subjective examples you've given. The same could be said for every county team. If teams have the beating of them then why aren't they beating them? Another poster said Kerry are better than Dublin. Where is the evidence of that? If they achieve the 3 in a row this year, you will then deem them great? They've always had a bigger pick. Your point? You point to them coming from behind to get a result like it's a bad thing. In my opinion it's this attribute that is the most impressive thing about them. One day it won't work out for them the way they believe it will though. If they win 3 All Irelands in a row then yes, that would make them a great team. No way in Gods earthly world could you say every county gets the rub of the green the way the Dubs do! I'm sorry now, but some of the decisions going their way with the last number of years is crazy. The GAA need a winning Dublin team! My point about them coming from behind is they are struggling against teams now that they were steam rolling in the past. I disagree with your metrics for greatness, 3 AI in 4 years is great. The Kerry team of 00s lost two finals. This Dublin team are 4/4. So, I think your argument is tough to win with. I do think you have point about the rub of the green, especially with officialdom. To be clear, I don't think Dublin are lucky, but they are not unlucky. Not one big decision has gone against them in a big game that I can remember. Maybe my memory is unselective. I also agree that the day they are going to be caught is coming,soon, deservedly or not
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Post by stevieq on Apr 4, 2017 22:50:11 GMT
It probably sounds a bit corny, and the man himself would run a mile from such a gesture but I think it may be appropriate to honour Cooper's retirement by some kind of standing ovation/applause some point during the match on Sunday. Maybe on the 13th minute marking the his number that he wore with great honour. Just throwing it out there!!!
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 4, 2017 22:54:40 GMT
Tis that 1975 feelin' all over again
Tickets bought. Plans made. Team travelling with zero pressure I would hope as the country expects the Metropolitans to steamroll Kerry and rock on. A league final in a year where a raft of new lads have been blooded is a great boost. Unfortunately it seems neither Shane nor Killian will make it due to injury.
I would dearly love a win but won't be too disappointed (a lie) once we show that we can match what is a superb outfit in intensity, delivery and execution of our game plan. It's all about the performance. If that's good enough we'll get the result.
Above all I want to see every single player in a Kerry jersey display a "couldn't give one sh##e attitude" when taking on the Dubs.
Fire in the belly, ice in the head time
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 4, 2017 23:01:13 GMT
No tweet from a present Dublin player wishing gooch a happy retirement. Gavin must have a media ban on them😏😏
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Post by yourholiness on Apr 5, 2017 6:23:26 GMT
Kerry to win next Sunday by 4 points. Dublin are a very good team but I wouldn't call them great. They've had some very 'lucky' breaks over the last number of years most notably against Kerry and Mayo in big matches (Kevin Mc goal in 2011.... How many steps?, Kevin mc challenge on Crowley last year, Kerry one point down in injury time and free straight in front of posts for Sheehan if correct call made, instead Dublin go down and man Crowley was marking slots point and Dubs win by two.... We need to believe more in ourselves, we are KERRY after all. We shouldn't be looking up to any team..... We have the talent, now we need to believe. We are better than this Dublin team! Have I stumbled onto the Mayo GAA blog in error ? All of these moments in matches that you think diminish the greatness of the Dublin team merely diminish the point you are trying to make . We are now debating if a team that won four leagues and four all irelands in 6 years is great ?
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Post by taggert on Apr 5, 2017 7:02:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 7:24:27 GMT
Eamonn is being really complimentary towards Dublin but according to the journalist he is "fuming".
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 5, 2017 8:31:40 GMT
Paddy Neilan of Roscommon will be the referee. Never heard of him which I take is a good thing. One way of looking at it! He was involved with the minor Championships in 2015, not sure about last year.
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Post by Leathama on Apr 5, 2017 8:55:20 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 5, 2017 10:23:03 GMT
He's completely correct sure look at any of the handbags crap- there are 2 teams at it. In the 2 most often shown- Cluxton starts on Geaney and Philly comes in ans throws someone to the ground in another.
Kerry were getting stuck in but the Dubs didnt back down- same as prob most teams.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2017 11:52:51 GMT
Ah shur dont some people on this forum agree with paul curran when he said kerry should be ashamed of themselves. Dublin have the hard/nasty side that great teams all have. I think kerry are getting that too which is great.
The campaign re lee keegan last year worked very well indeed. Mayos two best players keegan and vaughan didnt finish the game.
If fenton was playing against dublin he wouldnt be seeing the second half..he would get what vaughan got
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Post by brigid on Apr 5, 2017 12:09:48 GMT
What way will the game go?
If Dublin win by 5 or more points, will they be overconfident come August/September? If Dublin just about win, they will be well aware of the Kerry threat come end of season and therefore be better prepared and definitely not overconfident.
If Kerry win, are we now showing our hand and Dublin will be well motivated and better prepared for their 3 in a row.
But think back to 1978. Kerry had lost the 76 and 77 games. In fact Kerry (O’Dwyer) considered that Dublin “horsed” Kerry out of it in those 2 games. So when they met in early 1978 in New York , Micko took the opportunity to show what Kerry were made of. They “sorted” Dublin out and Kerry went on to win 4 in a row. Of course Kerry had introduced Bomber at this stage. Dublin were also going for a 3 in row in 78. When Bomber scored the 3 goal (Egan and Sheehy had scored 1 & 2) he said to Paddy Cullen, there is the 3 in a row. A repeat of this would a joy to watch, especially against Cluxton. Pity but I had Gooch down to score that 3rd goal. So who will it be?
So what will happen on Sunday next? Kerry to win provided they stop making errors. (Towards the end of the game Monaghan made some very costly basic errors). This added to Kerry winning the U21 All Ireland will knock a lot of the confidence out of Dublin come the year end.
I was in Croke Park for the last 3 appearances by teams from Kerry. Glenbeigh/Glencar, Dr Crokes and St Brendan’s all won their games. So I hope Kerry will keep the winning run going on Sunday next.
Only just heard Eamon's comments on the game. Closest I ever heard to a declaration of war.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 5, 2017 12:49:21 GMT
Kerry would like to win this game obviously as it would plant a little seed of doubt in the Dubs before the real war takes place. I am glad Eamon Fitz said it and I think it will received by Gavin and his team as declaration of intent. I hope this game is played in the spirit of all Kerry Dublin games, and let's be honest if it is it will be a tough hard battle where no quarter will be asked or given. In my opinion the dubs will be really up for the game and if we don't bring our A game we could get a right hosing, some of our recent performance have been shocking but I think the sight of the Dublin jersey will focus the collective.
Some say here that this isn't a great Dublin team !! If eamon Fitz or indeed Jim Gavin was picking a team from the collective squads how many current Kerry players would start on the team they selected ??
This current Dublin team is the team of its age and if I were a betting man three years from now the Kerry team will probably be the team to beat after this Dublin team to go into decline. Next Sunday is what it is a battle between two great teams and traditions one trying to take the top of the hill and the other trying to hold onto it,, I think it will be a tight game and because it's Dublin I think Kerry will play like men possessed, Kerry by two.
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