kerryexile
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 3, 2017 9:58:21 GMT
Well i think that dublin were more than two points better than kerry in the semi final of 2016. The ten minutes before half time covered up a lot. So have kerry got closer to dublin ... Yes i would say mainly to morans form and finding jack barry. Also kealy seems more comfortable on the kickout. Dublin have had to come from behind a lot recently which is the early sign of a team on the way down from the top. Jack mccaffrey is a big plus and they have it over kerry in free taking unless we play sheehan. They have it over us too in point taking ability so we must score two goals more than them to win.. I think the days of dublin bullying kerry might be over... If coldrick, gough or joe have anything to do with this final i probably wont bother going Mick, you can't say that - "if you disregard the time Kerry played well then Dublin were a much better team". If that is the case then and Dublin dominated for 60 out of 70 minutes why was it level as it turned 70 minutes? What did Dublin do with 60 minutes of dominance?
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Post by homerj on Apr 3, 2017 12:11:52 GMT
Dean Rock got 0-12 against us in the semi, 0-9 i think in tralee a couple of weeks back. tyrone got most of their scores from frees yesterday.
need to sort that out and stop giving handy frees away next sunday.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 3, 2017 12:18:04 GMT
Wonder does the management team want this? Whatever about management wanting it, the county board will benefit to the tune of €85k, so they are happy!
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 3, 2017 12:18:53 GMT
Dean Rock got 0-12 against us in the semi, 0-9 i think in tralee a couple of weeks back. tyrone got most of their scores from frees yesterday. need to sort that out and stop giving handy frees away next sunday. Yes, that and we need to play Sheehan from the start. Like it or not a free taker can be worth 5-6 points a match and with matches this tight that makes a massive difference. We are constantly sacrificing scoring forwards in order to play defensive formations with the likes of Paul Murphy playing in the forward line etc. put Sheehan in there and those missed 45's (Mayo and again against Tyrone yesterday with Kealy missing two) start turning into scores..... Dublin get most of their scores against us from frees.... We would do the same if we had a free taker on the pitch!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 3, 2017 12:30:18 GMT
Trying to buy some tix including a juvenile. Need to go to Cusack. No tickets available at the moment. Juvie tix in Cusack are once again available.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 3, 2017 13:39:33 GMT
We've lost the last 5 big games to them, we've nothing to lose anymore. Go out and have at them! We won the league game just a few weeks ago. In the end we managed to beat ourselves, but the Dubs were beaten that day.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 3, 2017 13:48:39 GMT
We are lucky to be in the final, but it is totally deserved. We should have beaten Dublin, we should have beaten Cavan and could have beaten Mayo. The only game we truly deserved to lose was the Monaghan game. In the defeat to Mayo and the drawn games we played very well, especially in the first half, and were still close to winning towards the end. We have tried a lot of different players in different positions and played different styles. It has been a rollercoaster, but we always say we want to use the league as an experiment. We did and we got to a final. We won't have a first half like we did against Tyrone and Dublin in Croke park, but I fully believe we can win. Every single player and supporter that was in Tralee a few weeks ago will know that Dublin were beaten and beaten well by Kerry that day. We gave it away ourselves, but I hope the players have learned from that and won't do it again. I can't travel myself, but I hope that every single supporter than can will travel and take back our home ground in Dublin, Croke park.
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Post by fitz on Apr 3, 2017 15:20:01 GMT
RE: Tyrone - the team that should have beaten Dublin and were better on the night, when they met. They have hit major bad 3 match run now, but a poor Tyrone team obviously doesn't make a poor Dublin team. They've hit bad form, but that doesn't make a 1-21 performance not worthy of the credit it should get.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 3, 2017 15:28:55 GMT
RE: Tyrone - the team that should have beaten Dublin and were better on the night, when they met. They have hit major bad 3 match run now, but a poor Tyrone team obviously doesn't make a poor Dublin team. They've hit bad form, but that doesn't make a 1-21 performance not worthy of the credit it should get. One need only look at the second half and see how much they wanted to win it. Tyrone don't enter any competitions if they don't want to win them. They needed a good win to have a chance of making the final. Same for Kerry. Tyrone's worry is that they don't have scorers and Sean Cavanagh is not the player he once was. Still very fit and still a good footballing brain, but definitely slowly declining. Tyrone have not found a different strategy yet and though it is hard to break them down all teams know exactly what to expect when they meet them. Tyrone managed a lot larger score towards the end than expected and a bigger score than in their previous matches. Kerry played magnificently though. Add a few more of the younger players to this and you will have a very good, pacey team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 15:57:10 GMT
We are lucky to be in the final, but it is totally deserved. Look up the definition of "oxymoron"
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 3, 2017 16:09:13 GMT
We are lucky to be in the final, but it is totally deserved. Look up the definition of "oxymoron" Isn't really an oxymoron. Maybe you should check the definition of an oxymoron again. One doesn't contradict the other.
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Post by nk1 on Apr 3, 2017 17:32:49 GMT
I think we can win this one . I watched the Dublin game live yesterday and listened to the kerry game on kerry radio . The dubs were ordinary and Monaghan could have won it . Dublin were gifted 1.03 in the second half . The subs they were able to call upon was frightening mccaffery ,brogan , Connelly mannion but they are short of match practice The game in Tralee will have given Eamon and the boys great confidence and put a little dought in the Dublin minds . Pace and plenty of devilment should be the order of the day .
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Post by leeside on Apr 3, 2017 17:43:45 GMT
The comments by some "established" contributors here over the past few weeks have been deplorable, unsporting & do not belong on this Kerry forum. - nacrocaigh "I can only see defeat with that team..... What a joke" Team wins by 7 points.
- inchperfect "Poor team.... Mikey Geaney is completely pointless...We need this league to just end" Mikey was one of the top players today
- Kingdomson "Yeah, all very predictable. I’m convinced there's simply NO WAY Mike Geaney would start in a team..." Again, a top player today when given the chance
- lár na páirce "At the end of my tether with Fitzmaurice at this stage" ?? He reaches league final 2 years running, and 2 of last 3 AI finals.
- Aodhan "Seems like Kerry are not too interested in winning this one" Did they look like an uninterested team ?
- Attacking Wing Back "I am seriously beginning to question the management team. We are going backwards if anything" League final 2 years running ....
- kerrygold "Looks like Kerry weren't interested in winning this years league" ??
I could go on and on .... As bluepanther put it, the pessimism is exteme, so also is the euphoria after certain victories. Its the league. One good win doesn't guarantee Sam later in the year. Couple of slip ups in Feb/March doesn't mean much come August The personal vendettas against Mikey Geaney, Donnchadha Walsh, Brendan Keely and others here is uncalled for. The commitment by these lads, who have to get up & go to work monday mornings like us, is huge. I guess these lads have more sense than to be reading this stuff, but their families / colleagues / friends / neighbours do. Many of those mentioned above posting this stuff, and myself included, couldn't kick snow off a rope, and we should keep the personal criticisms to ourselves. By all means make your suggestions, give your opinions, but stop getting carried away. When the sunshines in Fitzg Stadium like it did today, and there's a championship feel in the air, the cream of Kerry will rise and Sam will make his way back where he belongs. Totally agree with you there.Getting a bit tiresome to be reading same old same old. Dublin in my opinion are one of the greatest team to have played the modern game,if not the best.To come up short against them on occasions has been an achievement in itself. But I can't wait till the day we see Kerry football being played the "KERRY" way. With the talent there at the moment we won't be waiting long.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 18:17:31 GMT
Look up the definition of "oxymoron" Isn't really an oxymoron. Maybe you should check the definition of an oxymoron again. One doesn't contradict the other. If you deserve something you don't need luck. If you were lucky to win something you generally don't deserve it.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 3, 2017 18:35:50 GMT
Yere getting very jesuitical lads as my mother used to say...
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 3, 2017 19:19:04 GMT
We are lucky to be in the final, but it is totally deserved. Look up the definition of "oxymoron" mayo4sam
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Post by southward on Apr 3, 2017 20:00:48 GMT
Look up the definition of "oxymoron" mayo4sam Take a bow, Sir.
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 3, 2017 20:54:13 GMT
Givetherefajersey makes a good point. There was a ridiculous comment some weeks back about players only being on the panel to aid their Twitter profiles. We don't want the forum to be too bland, but some posters have gone over the top, and there has been too much of it to ignore.
I'm not sure if anyone here picked up on it, but Mike Quirke wrote about this forum in Kerrys Eye and quoted the 'Twitter' comment above. As givetherefajersey says, the players don't like in a bubble. The current squad seem to be tagged as the men that couldn't beat Dublin, and there is huge haste to get the Golden Generation on board. What people seem to forget, is that thanks to the current squad, Kerry will be able to blood the new breed in Division One.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 3, 2017 20:59:47 GMT
Kerry to win next Sunday by 4 points. Dublin are a very good team but I wouldn't call them great. They've had some very 'lucky' breaks over the last number of years most notably against Kerry and Mayo in big matches (Kevin Mc goal in 2011.... How many steps?, Kevin mc challenge on Crowley last year, Kerry one point down in injury time and free straight in front of posts for Sheehan if correct call made, instead Dublin go down and man Crowley was marking slots point and Dubs win by two.... We need to believe more in ourselves, we are KERRY after all. We shouldn't be looking up to any team..... We have the talent, now we need to believe. We are better than this Dublin team!
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 3, 2017 21:07:15 GMT
Anyone want to try name team. If Enright is fit he shud come in for fionn. Killian won't make it by all accounts. I hope he starts jack Barry again to mark Fenton
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Post by southward on Apr 3, 2017 21:17:21 GMT
For all the (well deserved) platitudes that Fenton & Cluxton get, in my opinion Ciaran Kilkenny must be the key target for Kerry next Sunday. He's been all over Dublin's better patches this year. Curb Kilkenny, give Rock nothing and we're in with a decent chance.
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 3, 2017 21:19:05 GMT
Anyone want to try name team. Kealy Fionn Griffin Shanahan Murphy Morley Lyne Moran Barry M.Geaney Gooch Donnacha P.Geaney Sheehan Savage Subs: Peter Crowley Gavin Crowley Maher Spillane Stephen O B Star
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Post by fitz on Apr 3, 2017 21:44:34 GMT
Once again making this final and making AI semi and finals in past grants a stay of execution. Struggling to make sense of this Tomas. Coming up short against a great Dublin team, frustrating as it is, doesn't equal execution to me. Yes he's made mistakes in big games,the 2015 final the standout, but he prepared the 2013 and 2016 teams to produce massive performances, just coming up short. He helped deliver a brilliant unexpected title in 2014. He deserves more respect and backing in my view. He has brought a number of young players in this year, which many folks here have been clamouring for, and still want more youth involved. I think he's getting us closer toward getting the better of Dublin, a tough challenge, I think the man needs backing and support now more than ever, wishing his removal isn't even on my radar.
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Post by fitz on Apr 3, 2017 21:47:54 GMT
Kerry to win next Sunday by 4 points. Dublin are a very good team but I wouldn't call them great. They've had some very 'lucky' breaks over the last number of years most notably against Kerry and Mayo in big matches (Kevin Mc goal in 2011.... How many steps?, Kevin mc challenge on Crowley last year, Kerry one point down in injury time and free straight in front of posts for Sheehan if correct call made, instead Dublin go down and man Crowley was marking slots point and Dubs win by two.... We need to believe more in ourselves, we are KERRY after all. We shouldn't be looking up to any team..... We have the talent, now we need to believe. We are better than this Dublin team! What makes them not great?
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 3, 2017 21:49:31 GMT
We are better than this Dublin team! I admire your positivity and optimism but the above line isn't true.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 3, 2017 22:08:38 GMT
Jack Mc Caffrey will not be playing on sunday. Scan on a possible hamstring tear.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 3, 2017 22:26:05 GMT
Anyone want to try name team. Kealy Fionn Griffin Shanahan Murphy Morley Lyne Moran Barry M.Geaney Gooch Donnacha P.Geaney Sheehan Savage Subs: Peter Crowley Gavin Crowley Maher Spillane Stephen O B Star If Sheehan is named full forward I'll eat my hat!!! And Crowley will be playing too. Gooch won't even be there to be named!
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Post by MeathExile on Apr 3, 2017 23:05:33 GMT
Fitz and co have done really well in this league when all things are considered - few 21s got a run, and plenty of other lads given a chance (though I feel disappointed for the couple of lads who only got their first chance late on yesterday). Shanahan, Barry, McCarthy are 3 great 'finds', and Griffin/Morley/M Geaney have really improved, even if the latter left it late enough. True, some of the results were disappointing, but not unexpected when lads are being tried out. To get to the final is a good achievement. The attitude and flair in some of the games was excellent - first half Donegal & Mayo, most of Dubs match, and first half yesterday.
Three little requests for EF - please stop asking Kealy to take the frees - let one of the other lads take from the hands - easier to play it short or go for point, but the success rate by K off the ground is not good enough.
Secondly - need to learn how to reduce the free count - reduce this by even 20% and we are home and dry. Surely a good video analyst can determine what the common faults are and then look to see how we can train this into the guys. Seamus Moynihan or Mike McCarthy/ Tom O S may be able to give some advice?
Thirdly - play positively, to our strengths - use kick passing rather than hand-passing and move the ball quickly from defence to attack (like we used in the above mentioned matches). The across-the-field hand-passing stuff is fine when defending a good lead, but does not suit us otherwise, and only allows teams to re-group.
Dubs recovered well yesterday, but Kilkenny absolutely dragged them over the line. Stop him and Fenton and job is done. We now have enough pace to do this, so we could have a wee chance on Sunday. Now wouldn't that be a surprise....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:05:26 GMT
There is always one idiot that comes on and quotes people after the fact. I didn't see you comment much on the other games or the ones they lost. They beat Tyrone a poor Tyrone that's it. It doesn't take away from some bad performances this year. They are very lucky to be in the Final. We are all well entitled to voice our opinions. You come on the forum and do some pointless quoting do us a favor and stay off it you tool. Name calling ? Very mature by you ... That's a really good answer. That took a lot of thought and time i'd say. My level of Maturity depends on who i'm responding to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:33:46 GMT
Good man hurlingman!!! The name says it all. Are you Complaining about me Complaining?. I don't think Mommy gave you enough attention when you were young. Is that why you picked up the Hurley? and ran around the meadow. Now I know you're a Crokes fan don't hide it. It's not working. So how many do you think should be on the Panel??.
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