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Post by inchperfect on Mar 26, 2017 15:37:52 GMT
Glad we've stayed up. If we'd lost this one I think we'd have been down. Missed out on any chance of the league final which doesn't mean anything, we're playing too badly to win any final at the moment.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 26, 2017 15:43:57 GMT
Glad we've stayed up. If we'd lost this one I think we'd have been down. Missed out on any chance of the league final which doesn't mean anything, we're playing too badly to win any final at the moment. Kerry can still be relegated.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2017 15:48:45 GMT
Glad we've stayed up. If we'd lost this one I think we'd have been down. Missed out on any chance of the league final which doesn't mean anything, we're playing too badly to win any final at the moment. Kerry are not safe yet. A win or draw would ensure survival in Division 1 but a loss leaves Kerry depending on results elsewhere. Incredible to think that Kerry will go in search of their first home league win of this campaign in their last league match for 2017.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 26, 2017 15:49:10 GMT
Today was littered with aimless, slow play. There's no evidence of either a defensive or attacking plan. The turnovers were inexcusable. There's no in-game management.
I couldn't pick out any player who showed a bit. Moran and O Brien in patches maybe. None of the subs contributed positively.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2017 15:54:19 GMT
Take away from this league so far - we're consistently inconsistent and no team fears Kerry at the moment.
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 26, 2017 15:54:53 GMT
Glad we've stayed up. If we'd lost this one I think we'd have been down. Missed out on any chance of the league final which doesn't mean anything, we're playing too badly to win any final at the moment. Kerry are not safe yet. A win or draw would ensure survival in Division 1 but a loss leaves Kerry depending on results elsewhere. Incredible to think that Kerry will go in search of their first home league win of this league campaign in their last league match for 2017. Kerry are safe. They have a +26 points difference V Cavan. After the draw against them the next tie breaker is point difference. In actual fact we still have an outside chance of making the final after todays results.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Mar 26, 2017 16:05:21 GMT
Kerry are not safe yet. A win or draw would ensure survival in Division 1 but a loss leaves Kerry depending on results elsewhere. Incredible to think that Kerry will go in search of their first home league win of this league campaign in their last league match for 2017. Kerry are safe. They have a +26 points difference V Cavan. After the draw against them the next tie breaker is point difference. In actual fact we still have an outside chance of making the final after todays results. Glad for some positivity in this post. Very enjoyable game to watch in a beautiful day.fair play to kerry to secure draw in away game from a Cavan team who really put it up to us!!
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Post by diego on Mar 26, 2017 16:07:22 GMT
Amazing we're still in hunt for league final after the draw in Cavan.
Any one of Tyrone, Donegal or Monaghan would have put us out with a win in the late afternoon games and yet all failed.
So to qualify for final as far as I can see, we would need to beat Tyrone and hope that Monaghan lose at home to Dublin, Mayo win at home to Donegal, and we need a 6 point turnaround in score difference between ourselves and Donegal.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Mar 26, 2017 16:20:15 GMT
Amazing we're still in hunt for league final after the draw in Cavan. Any one of Tyrone, Donegal or Monaghan would have put us out with a win in the late afternoon games and yet all failed. So to qualify for final as far as I can see, we would need to beat Tyrone and hope that Monaghan lose at home to Dublin, Mayo win at home to Donegal, and we need a 6 point turnaround in score difference between ourselves and Donegal. It sounds possible. Am hopeful!!! :-)
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 26, 2017 16:22:42 GMT
I really hope we don't qualify for a league final. Dublin wud beat us comfortably in croke park
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Post by fitz on Mar 26, 2017 16:30:10 GMT
Given perfect conditions, I think it's up there as the worst 70 mins I've ever seen. Certainly the first 35.I think Fionn got caught for the goal that got Cavan back in the game, misjudged an intercept and left man clean through. Geaney had a mare in second half. Sheehan kicked two gems, but missed two straight in front of posts, and spilled a ball out of his hands coming out of defence that ended in a score. Moran was again immense, clear motm, Stephen O was decent, Donnacha and Murph ok. Can't find much else positive. Never have I seen so many bad passes and handling errors. Shocking stuff.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 26, 2017 17:25:51 GMT
We are aimless. We can't defend, we can't attack. We seem to either be over coached or very poorly coached.
Like someone else said i would fear for us if me met Dublin in a final in croke park
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 26, 2017 17:27:06 GMT
It's nearly April.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 26, 2017 17:49:33 GMT
Glad we've stayed up. If we'd lost this one I think we'd have been down. Missed out on any chance of the league final which doesn't mean anything, we're playing too badly to win any final at the moment. Kerry can still be relegated. Apologies, wasn't aware that Cavan's scoring difference was so bad!
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Post by seaniebo on Mar 26, 2017 17:57:28 GMT
I had a feeling we were going to be a bit flat today after the battle last weekend. It certainly sounded that way listening to the commentary on the radio. It will be interesting to read the views of those in attendance.
On another note this trend of failing to hold onto a couple points of a lead going down the home stretch is becoming a wee bit of a concern.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 26, 2017 18:01:58 GMT
I repeat my earlier point. The total lack of style by kerry must be the most depressing fact of all. We are not honouring the jersey at present
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Post by fitz on Mar 26, 2017 18:12:46 GMT
In context you're right Tom, especially after great show v Dublin. That said, I've never ever seen the like of what went on today, from midfield going forward. Cavan swarmed defence, and did well to their credit, so outside Geaney we had no inside options, so instead overcarried, kicked it away, hand passed it away or got blocked doing latter two. In second half a hand pass was given to a man with back to play. I am labouring the point, but I found I was talking to myself amid Cavan folk in both halves, questioning what my eyes were processing.
It was so bad, we'll write it off based on Dublin show, give Cavan credit for sturdy defending and spirit, once again direct running caused problems, when it does we foul, always, and when they had 12 back we didn't know how to get through, which admittedly is not easy, but we didn't change our approach just personnel. I was addled for about 15 mins after, it was tense.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 26, 2017 18:14:58 GMT
Given perfect conditions, I think it's up there as the worst 70 mins I've ever seen. Certainly the first 35. I think Fionn got caught for the goal that got Cavan back in the game, misjudged an intercept and left man clean through. Geaney had a mare in second half. Sheehan kicked two gems, but missed two straight in front of posts, and spilled a ball out of his hands coming out of defence that ended in a score. Moran was again immense, clear motm, Stephen O was decent, Donnacha and Murph ok. Can't find much else positive. Never have I seen so many bad passes and handling errors. Shocking stuff. It was Mark Griffin that was caught for the goal.
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Post by veteran on Mar 26, 2017 18:15:18 GMT
The reports from the lads who were there are consistent with the impression one got from listening to Radio Kerry. It sounded to me as if we were abysmal. We appear to a total shambles at present with the same problems surfacing again- an inability to tackle without fouling and inability to kick points from even a modest distance. How many black cards have we accumulated so far this year? A seemingly secure two point lead was frittered away once more. We have an infantile lack of nous to finish out a game. There was a time when a strong finish was a hallmark of Kerry football. We are now at a stage when even a mediocre team like Cavan put us on the ropes in the closing stages.
Anther problem arose today . What happens up front when Paul Geaney is held. All around the garden path is the answer.
Even allowing for our injury problems any team with ambitions of winning the All-Ireland should be brushing Cavan aside.
After the Tyrone game , Eamon will have to embark on a serious cull and stop recycling several players who manifestly are not up to it in spite of getting endless chances.
One consolation of the dross we have seen durIng the NFL is that we will not be the lambs to a Dublin slaughter in the final. Is it not very sad to have to express that sentiment .
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Post by taggert on Mar 26, 2017 18:19:12 GMT
Just another angle on things and that is how dfficult it us to win Div 1 league games (Roscommon notwithstanding) when you are relying on a single consistent score getter from play (i.e Geaney). Once he was crowded out of it, we were reliant on hit and hope pot shots, the likes of which Donnacha Walsh fashioned at the death. Of the starting 6 forwards, only Geaney could be considered a player who consistently scores 5pts plus per game at County level. Donnacha normally chips in with 1 or 2, McCarthy and Spillane have no fotm at this level but I will be amazed if either start at the business end of the C'ship. Likewise Savage who is short of pace, cant take on a man and beat him, and forever seems to be running FROM the goals rather than TOWARDS the goals. That leaves O'Brien who hapoens to be a model of inconsistency on the scoring charts. To that end, it shouldnt come as a guge surprise that we are not scoring enough to win games.
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Post by martym on Mar 26, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
Just another angle on things and that is how dfficult it us to win Div 1 league games (Roscommon notwithstanding) when you are relying on a single consistent score getter from play (i.e Geaney). Once he was crowded out of it, we were reliant on hit and hope pot shots, the likes of which Donnacha Walsh fashioned at the death. Of the starting 6 forwards, only Geaney could be considered a player who consistently scores 5pts plus per game at County level. Donnacha normally chips in with 1 or 2, McCarthy and Spillane have no fotm at this level but I will be amazed if either start at the business end of the C'ship. Likewise Savage who is short of pace, cant take on a man and beat him, and forever seems to be running FROM the goals rather than TOWARDS the goals. That leaves O'Brien who hapoens to be a model of inconsistency on the scoring charts. To that end, it shouldnt come as a guge surprise that we are not scoring enough to win games. Oh dear it would appear that we don't hope for this year with some work commencing in the coming weeks
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 26, 2017 18:40:09 GMT
That was so poor today it was hard to find positives. Murphy did well as did Moran but that was it. Very little to take from that game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 18:45:28 GMT
Not sure what to make of today to be honest. Certainly when analysing the game you have to factor in the ultra defensiveness of Cavan. In some ways it reminded me of the final in 2014 in the sense that we seemed to have plenty possession but could not do anything with it. While I will make some allowance for the fact that Cavan made it difficult and the likes of Spillane, Barry and savage have never come across this type of game plan before, there was still a complete lack of pattern to our game plan and too many lads who did not perform up to standard.
Best for us today was Moran by a long shot. Thought shanahan, Murphy, Kealy, o brien and donncha did ok for the most part.
Both Spillane and savage were way off the pace and it would not surprise if we did not see Spillane start again this year. He has had his chance and has not taken it yet.
Sheehan looked ponderous when he came on and also missed frees. Difficult to see what role he can play this year. Darren had an off day but a break could do him some good.
I sure he will be mentioned by others but I have no idea what mikey Geaney is bringing other than fouling.
I would not question the commitment but there is a distinct lack of quality out on the pitch. Eamonn has to take some blame for this as he undoubtedly prefers the grafters and has set his team up accordingly.
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Post by inchperfect on Mar 26, 2017 20:27:15 GMT
14 looks more and more like a lucky all ireland If 14 taught us anything it's that you can have a bad league and win Sam. Cork beat us by 10 in Tralee we beat them 2 months later by 12 in Cork when it mattered.
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Post by Leathama on Mar 26, 2017 20:28:54 GMT
A pretty lacklustre performance, always was a danger of that following last weekend.
Thought Moran was our best performer on the day. Felt Ronan Shanahan did well at the back also. Kealy did well with the kickouts in the majority. Not a whole lot of other positives, however. Same questions remain regarding our squandering of scoring chances from placed balls, blind alley bordering headless attacking.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 26, 2017 20:43:30 GMT
Our starting forward line scored 1 point from play. Everyone on the terrace around me thought that Donnacha's point was wide. Our starting 15 scored 3 points from play on a perfect day for football. Says it all really.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 26, 2017 21:04:48 GMT
The Kerry scoring stats for the league are interesting - for a county that has prided itself on multiple scoring forwards we have relied on PG for the bulk of our scores and when he is held we struggle. We need to find scoring forwards and a style of play that allows us to score and not just defend.
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Post by cruc8 on Mar 26, 2017 21:15:18 GMT
In my opinion no county outside of Dublin wants to play in the NFL final. Donegal are going to New york the weekend of the final. Tyrone made no real effort to win today and Kerry were so flat and sloppy today that they must have done heavy training this week. next week Donegal wont be trying against Mayo, Dublin will not loose against Monaghan and we will beat Tyrone in Killarney as Tyrone seem to be satisfied with their lot. It looks like a Kerry Dublin final.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 26, 2017 21:20:15 GMT
A very disappointing day out in Cavan. I don't think I have seen Kerry so flat since the 2015 Final. Or were they even flatter? No disrespect to Cavan, they fought well with a great sense of purpose and were ecstatic about the result but this is the Kerry team and we should be winning these matches. We were winning these matches not so long ago and there's not a single match this season that we couldn't have won. We were let down in all of them by the inability to close out a tight game or push on from a significant lead. In fact we haven't won a secon half yet.
Veteran is right. There needs to be a big cull before the Championship as too many appear to be content just to show up and take pot shots. It should start tonight with all being put on notice to perform next weekend against Tyrone who will definitely not want a third loss on the trot.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 26, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
Thought the drive home would have cheered me up and lightened the mood. If anything its worse.
I am seriously beginning to question the management team. We are going backwards if anything.
Paul Murphy is still being moved around the place like a spinning top which is unfair on him. Have we any discernible game plan. We cant tackle. If you run at us you are nearly guaranteed a free.
If I was Cooper I would really question if I want to come back to play this type of football. Who are we missing from the forwards?? An aging Cooper and Donaghy?? And by recent years a James o Donoghue who's fitness can't be relied on?
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