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Post by onlykerry on Mar 9, 2017 23:45:13 GMT
Can someone please tell me what jack sees in Brandon barrett. He was very poor last year for the 21's as was he last night I think it is unfair to single out a player in this manner on an anonymous forum - and for clarity I do not know the lad or am not a clubmate. Every youngster in Kerry dreams of pulling on the jersey and does his best - the level of commitment to get to this level is immense and whereas people are entitled to an opinion I think that care should be taken in how opinions are expressed.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 9, 2017 23:46:20 GMT
I'm not saying Kerry played amazingly well. But if you win by 6 points, despite a few wides and despite leaking two goals, against a very accomplished and very motivated Clare team in knock out football you are doing certain things right. This performance won't beat Cork, but we know now what to do and what our weak points are. It is something that has benefited and hindered Ulster teams: they have a few tough tests to get out of the province where the same wasn't true in Munster. Waterford won't be able to put up the same performance as Clare did. In my opinion the Clare team were much, much better than expected and much better than people here give them credit for. it seems like people were expecting Kerry to win by 20 points at the very least. Clare just embarrassed Cork in the league and their clubs and county teams are getting better and better. Kilmurry-Ibrickane gave Dr. Crokes a much tougher test than the final score suggested and one need only look at Clare's achievements to see how much they are improving. Beating Limerick, Laois, Roscommon and Sligo last year saw them reach the quarter final against Kerry which wasn't going to go well for them. I think they would have given Galway a real test if they had played them in the quarter final and like Tipperary they could have been in a semi final. Yes, of course Kerry didn't have a perfect performance yesterday,but I'm sure that Jack O'Connor has identified that as well and sort out the issues before the Munster final.
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Post by figaro on Mar 10, 2017 1:54:13 GMT
it is not so long ago that people were suggesting we were so strong at this level we could field two teams. On the evidence of waht we saw last night we will do well to field one with sufficient competence to win Munster not to mind the All-Ireland. This was an unsatisfactory performance . It may be that Clare are far stronger than anticipated . They looked very good at times and employed the tactic that leaves Kerry teams at all levels wavering. They ran aggressively and straight and we respond in the modern Kerry way by executing excuse me tackles. It was truly alarming at times last night to see how easily our back line was sliced open. The best illustration of this was when their number five meandered through unmolested to score a fine goal. That man also scored a point and even though Mathew Flaherty scored freely he should not allow his man so much liberty. A prerequisite to counter this strong running through the middle is the presence of a powerful figure at CHB. On paper we had such a man ,Andrew Barry. But what happens? He spends most of the game at wing back with Brian Sugrue in the centre. What was that nonsense about? I give up trying to figure the mind of managers. Brian Sugrue was totally out of his depth at CHB. Indeed the entire half back line were feeble. We desperately need Gavin White and Brian O'Beaglaigh back on duty with of course Andrew at CHB. Shane Ryan could not be blamed for the goals. He plucked down about three certain points and his kicksout were satisfactory. Full back line was generally fine with Jason, as always, impregnable. Midfield was dysfunctional. I am not that this area can be improved. I have never seen Brian O'Seanachain play there for Ballydonoghue and Barry O'Sullvan is currently playing poorly. The first time I saw Mathew O'Sullivan was in the u21 last year. I came away feeling we had a big man but little else. In the first round of the McGrath cup I formed a different opinion. Somebody must have been working hard on Mathew. We now have a very accomplished footballer. In the first half he scored 1-1 and acted as a focal point for the attack. He got injured late in the half and lasted only about five minutes of the second half. I felt the attack lost their cohesion when he went off with Conor Geaney and young Bambury in particular suffering. Mathew is a key man on this team and I would be very fearful if he misses the game against Cork. Killian Spillane made a make impression when he came on. Why was he not on from the start? PS. The Kerry County Board are acting disgracefully by not doing something about the invisible numbers. It is nothing short of contempt for supporters. It is bad enough during the day with the seniors but it is a nightmare under lights with underage teams. It certainly has compromised my report as I was guessing for long stages as to had possession of the ball.
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Post by figaro on Mar 10, 2017 2:07:04 GMT
I agree generally with Veteran on last night's performance. Shane Ryan can't be blamed for any concessions and generally his kick outs were accurate. I'm afraid I've watched Barry O Sullivan since his minor days and can't fathom how he's still getting game time, Liam Kearney who's light years ahead must obviously be injured if he isn't getting on ahead . Our full back line was excellent with Jason Foley outstanding , but what was Jack doing by naming Andrew Barry on the wing, he's built for CHB where Brian Sugrue was out of his debt. Gavin White would also b excellent in the role on his return. Jack O Conner really needs simply to pick the best players for the best positions or the U21 famine will continue, which would be a waste as he has an embarrassment of riches at his disposal.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 10, 2017 7:46:08 GMT
A true story about Donie Buckley. Some years ago a coach up in Tyrone, forget his name, was running some courses designed to improve tckling skills etc. Two guys from a club in Kerry went up to learn some lessons in that particular discipline. After the session, the two lads got talking to the coach and when they told him they were from Kerry he replied "lads I don't know why you came up here. I learned these drills from Donie Buckley". I have said it here before -get the man back at any cost. Our tackling is puerile. . Donie was part of a proposed management team back in 2009 to take over the Kerry U-21s along with Jerome Stack who was to be the bainisteoir; anyone who knows Donie will know that he prefers the background, not the limelight. For reasons best known to the county board chairman, Jerome was not appointed , John Kennedy being preferred. Jerome was a selector the previous year with Sean Geaney & John Galvin ( Waterville) when we won the All Ireland. He was the natural successor to Sean in my opinion - a wonderful opportunity lost. Donie is hot property, did he have some time with Chicago Bulls Basketball, studying 'inoffensive' tackling, a resource like that could be used across all county teams, can Éamonn and he be a pair?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 10, 2017 8:07:00 GMT
Can someone please tell me what jack sees in Brandon barrett. He was very poor last year for the 21's as was he last night He got injured last year v Limerick if i recall correctly and missed the crucial game v Cork
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Post by glengael on Mar 11, 2017 11:56:22 GMT
Why is the hurling U-21 on in summer but the football U-21 is not? I ask this question almost every year and have yet to get an answer. I recall attending a Munster u-21 Final in the mid 90's in May, I think it was 95. In 1998 I was at an All Ireland u-21 Final being played in May. In 2002, I was at an u-21 All Ireland semi final which was on in August or late summer at least. In more recent years it's turned into a late Winter into Spring campaign. I don't know the reasons why.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 11, 2017 13:57:34 GMT
Why is the hurling U-21 on in summer but the football U-21 is not? I ask this question almost every year and have yet to get an answer. I recall attending a Munster u-21 Final in the mid 90's in May, I think it was 95. In 1998 I was at an All Ireland u-21 Final being played in May. In 2002, I was at an u-21 All Ireland semi final which was on in August or late summer at least. In more recent years it's turned into a late Winter into Spring campaign. I don't know the reasons why. Other than the obvious - that is where the powers that be put it - the one positive (I think) is that next year it moves to U20 and is pencilled in for the June- August period.
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Post by glengael on Mar 12, 2017 12:27:10 GMT
Ah, June-August 2018, that's a quiet enough period in the GAA calender so it will raise the profile of the competition no end.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 12, 2017 18:57:02 GMT
Ah, June-August 2018, that's a quiet enough period in the GAA calender so it will raise the profile of the competition no end. and just to cheer you up even more - I think there are some restrictions with regard to any player on the senior panel being ineligible to play u20 - not 100% sure of the rules on this one, perhaps others can shed some light on it.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 12, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
Ah, June-August 2018, that's a quiet enough period in the GAA calender so it will raise the profile of the competition no end. and just to cheer you up even more - I think there are some restrictions with regard to any player on the senior panel being ineligible to play u20 - not 100% sure of the rules on this one, perhaps others can shed some light on it. www.gaa.ie/news/major-changes-for-underage-grades-after-key-motions-pass/
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 12, 2017 22:06:14 GMT
So what will the team be like? I expect Jack will go with more or less the same team and maybe even O'Sullivan again instead of Spillane. Stability is key and surely they will be ironing out the issues in the Clare game during training. A lot of negativity here after the Clare game, but they showed patches of brilliance in my opinion. Another game v Waterford will tell them even more about things they need to tweak and they'd be better prepared than last year for the Munster final.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 12, 2017 22:09:21 GMT
Any player on a team list submitted to an inter-county referee for a senior inter-county championship match in that season will not be eligible to compete in the U20 competition.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2017 9:21:40 GMT
Just looking at the parameters for the new u20 football championship. This probably means that both u20 & u21 players will now most likely play full NFL for their counties in the spring of 2018 and going forward. The more successful u20 players will then be parked up until August to allow them play in u20 championship. You would question will this actually lower the playing loads placed on both u20 and & U21 players at all in the crazy busy winter/spring window? Not sure they have got this one right! Meanwhile the u21 players will continue into the full rigours of senior county championship football preparation. It might have been better to remove the third level colleges from the January competitions and make the third level colleges preparation much more organic in nature and thus their championship competitions more organic also. Without consulting Google can anyone name the previous 5 Sigerson and Trench Cup winners?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 13, 2017 11:00:30 GMT
Anyone care to grade the u21s, say in order of likelihood to play in senior championship this year? I live a long way away so help us out here as I don't see much flesh. Jason looks good, is he ready to nail a mature Dub to the cross in Sept?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 13, 2017 11:05:01 GMT
When is the team announced for the next game
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 13, 2017 13:15:03 GMT
Expect the team to be announced this evening.
Regarding u21's making the grade in senior championship the jury is very much out and its a case of giving them time an opportunities in early championship games to see how they fare. Begley is the only obvious one to make it thus far and I am not sure if JF will be ready for this year - he is showing promise but a seasoned Dub may be a bridge too far for 2017.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 13, 2017 13:38:59 GMT
Jason Foley - Could be an option in the full back line as a potential replacement but not starter, I think E Fitz would be reluctant to put him in against the Dubs and may go for a more experienced player. Tom O' Sullivan - Same as ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tom L. O'Sullivan - Unlikely to feature but I would expect him to be on training panel. Gavin White - Would be surprised if Gavin does not feature at some stage, perhaps not start but an option from bench. Brian Begley - Injured until May which leaves him unlikely to feature, all depends on how quick he gains match sharpness back. Barry O Sullivan - Unlikely to feature after failing to impress in recent months and falling behind in pecking order. Conor Geaney - Can't see E Fitz turning to him if a game is in the melting pot....a possible to get some game time. Killian Spillane - Don't think he will feature in any game.
This is just a personal opinion and could be way off the mark. I would have said that Begley would have had little o no chance of featuring last season and was wide of the mark there so just an opinion. I believe most of the above will feature in Championship over the next 2-3 years but this year may be a year too soon for them.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 13, 2017 19:40:42 GMT
Kerry V Waterford – Munster Under 21 Football Championship Semi Final 15th March 2017 Fraher Field, Dungarvan
The Kerry Under 21 Football Team to play Waterford in the Munster Championship Semi Final at Fraher Field Dungarvan on Wednesday evening @ 7:30pm is unchanged from the side that defeated Clare in the Qtr Final last week.
The team, captained by Brian Sugrue of Renard is as follows:
Name Club 1
Shane Ryan Rathmore 2
Tom (Leo) O’Sullivan Dingle 3
Jason Foley Ballydonoghue 4
Tom O’Sullivan Dingle 5
Brian Sugrue C Renard 6
Andrew Barry Na Gaeil 7
Daniel O’Brien Glenflesk 8
Barry O’Sullivan Dingle 9
Brian Ó Seanacháin Ballydonoghue 10
Brandon Barrett Ardfert 11
Sean O’Shea Kenmare 12
Matthew Flaherty Dingle 13
Conor Geaney Dingle 14
Matthew O’Sullivan St Michaels-Foilmore 15
Cathal Bambury Dingle
Fir Ionaid:
16
Eoghan O’Brien Churchill 17
Killian Spillane Templenoe 18
Cormac Coffey Kerins O’Rahillys 19
Ivan Parker Churchill 20
Jack Morgan Austin Stacks 21
Roibeard Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 22
Lee O’Donoghue Glenflesk 23
John Mark Foley Kilgarvan 24
Graham O’Sullivan Dromid Pearses
Bainistíocht:
Bainisteoir: Jack O’Connor (Dromid Pearses)
Roghnoirí: Micheál O’Shea (Castlegregory), Eamon Whelan (St Senans), Declan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses).
Treanálaí: Alan O’Sullivan (Kerins O’Rahillys) and Arthur Fitzgerald (Firies)
The team contains six of the side defeated by Cork in the Munster Final last year namely Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tom Leo O’Sullivan, Barry O’Sullivan, Brian Ó Seanachain, and Matthew Flaherty. Three more of the team – Brian Sugrue, Brandon Barrett and Matthew O’Sullivan - missed last year’s final due to injury having featured in earlier rounds. Dr Crokes pair, Micheál Burns and Gavin White, who also played in last year’s final, are clubtied as Dr Crokes prepare for the All Ireland senior Club final.
With the exception of Matthew O’Sullivan, all of the side have played in successful All Ireland minor winning sides since 2014 with Daniel O’Brien and Sean O’Shea members of last year’s winning side.
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Post by A.N. Other on Mar 13, 2017 19:41:06 GMT
Unchanged from the Clare game.
Anyone know what parking is like around Fraher field?
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Post by Premier on Mar 13, 2017 19:45:33 GMT
Kerry V Waterford – Munster Under 21 Football Championship Semi Final 15th March 2017 Fraher Field, Dungarvan The Kerry Under 21 Football Team to play Waterford in the Munster Championship Semi Final at Fraher Field Dungarvan on Wednesday evening @ 7:30pm is unchanged from the side that defeated Clare in the Qtr Final last week. The team, captained by Brian Sugrue of Renard is as follows: Name Club 1 Shane Ryan Rathmore 2 Tom (Leo) O’Sullivan Dingle 3 Jason Foley Ballydonoghue 4 Tom O’Sullivan Dingle 5 Brian Sugrue C Renard 6 Andrew Barry Na Gaeil 7 Daniel O’Brien Glenflesk 8 Barry O’Sullivan Dingle 9 Brian Ó Seanacháin Ballydonoghue 10 Brandon Barrett Ardfert 11 Sean O’Shea Kenmare 12 Matthew Flaherty Dingle 13 Conor Geaney Dingle 14 Matthew O’Sullivan St Michaels-Foilmore 15 Cathal Bambury Dingle Fir Ionaid: 16 Eoghan O’Brien Churchill 17 Killian Spillane Templenoe 18 Cormac Coffey Kerins O’Rahillys 19 Ivan Parker Churchill 20 Jack Morgan Austin Stacks 21 Roibeard Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 22 Lee O’Donoghue Glenflesk 23 John Mark Foley Kilgarvan 24 Graham O’Sullivan Dromid Pearses Bainistíocht: Bainisteoir: Jack O’Connor (Dromid Pearses) Roghnoirí: Micheál O’Shea (Castlegregory), Eamon Whelan (St Senans), Declan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses). Treanálaí: Alan O’Sullivan (Kerins O’Rahillys) and Arthur Fitzgerald (Firies) The team contains six of the side defeated by Cork in the Munster Final last year namely Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tom Leo O’Sullivan, Barry O’Sullivan, Brian Ó Seanachain, and Matthew Flaherty. Three more of the team – Brian Sugrue, Brandon Barrett and Matthew O’Sullivan - missed last year’s final due to injury having featured in earlier rounds. Dr Crokes pair, Micheál Burns and Gavin White, who also played in last year’s final, are clubtied as Dr Crokes prepare for the All Ireland senior Club final. With the exception of Matthew O’Sullivan, all of the side have played in successful All Ireland minor winning sides since 2014 with Daniel O’Brien and Sean O’Shea members of last year’s winning side. Somewhat surprising there are no changes, although Jack might feel 1 60 minute game shouldn't change the perceptions he has built up over the class 4/5 months. Would still be surprised if this was the team that starts the final
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 13, 2017 19:54:10 GMT
I think it's a very good team. Despite what people said about the Clare game. Consistency is key. Jack seems to also anticipate what Cork did and bring on some of their best towards the end of the game. Many teams will set up very defensively and score on the counter. Like Clare they will want to keep scoring low and run at Kerry. I expect Jack and management will have done a lot of work on stopping that running. Given the players missing this is a very good team. Scary to think about the players that are still to come back into that team.
Compare the team above also to the Minor team that won the final in 2014 against Donegal: 1. Shane Ryan (Rathmore) 2. Dan O’Donoghue (Spa) 3. Brian Ó Beaglaioch (An Ghaeltacht) 4. Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle) 5. Brian Sugrue (Renard) 6. Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) 7. Cormac Coffey (Kerins O’Rahilly’s) 8. Barry O’Sullivan (Dingle) 9. Mark O’Connor (Dingle) 10. Micheál Burns (Dr Crokes) 11. Brian Rayel (Lispole) 12. Matthew Flaherty (Dingle) 13. Killian Spillane (Templenoe) 14. Liam Kearney (Spa) (Capt) 15. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) Subs: 16. Eoin O’Connell (St Senan’s) 17. Jordan Kiely (Dr Crokes) 18. Liam Carey (Beaufort) 19. Stephen O’Sullivan (Templenoe) 20. Robert Wharton (Renard) 21. Ivan Parker (Churchill) 22. Jack Morgan (Austin Stacks) 23. Roibeard Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 24. Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue)
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2017 20:56:15 GMT
I had cormac coffey marked down as a future senior. A bit surprised he is not making the starting fifteen
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 13, 2017 21:38:58 GMT
I had cormac coffey marked down as a future senior. A bit surprised he is not making the starting fifteen Did well when he came of the bench in the Clare game. Maybe he is struggling in training or maybe Jack thinks he is better suited as a sub.
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Post by A.N. Other on Mar 13, 2017 21:51:23 GMT
He was injured before christmas Mickmack. I think people forget how young some of these fellas are though. They will have ups and downs and hit form and go out of form. It's the process that's the most important part though. There is fellas that were dropped off the panel that would probably make nearly every other under 21 starting 15 team in the country (Carey and Wharton). This team are training since last July. Jack has had a good look at all of these fellas through his years as minor manager and with the under 21s. I've no doubt that we will see 10+ players off this panel play for the Kerry seniors in the next 1-3 years.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2017 22:33:55 GMT
He was injured before christmas Mickmack. I think people forget how young some of these fellas are though. They will have ups and downs and hit form and go out of form. It's the process that's the most important part though. There is fellas that were dropped off the panel that would probably make nearly every other under 21 starting 15 team in the country (Carey and Wharton). This team are training since last July. Jack has had a good look at all of these fellas through his years as minor manager and with the under 21s. I've no doubt that we will see 10+ players off this panel play for the Kerry seniors in the next 1-3 years. There might be a clatter of them on it yet this year. The senior teams needs to be freshened up asp.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 14, 2017 9:32:53 GMT
Re-the parking query. Would not expect any problems in the imediate vicinity of the grounds. Close to the link road so pretty easy access and egress.
Re the team - Jack had a habit of minimal changes. The line up for his two minor campaigns was largely unchanged with injury being the main reason for changes. Obviously the expected return of the Crokes trio may make a difference (on the assumption there is a next day) but old habits die hard and he sticks to his guns by and large.
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Post by lad on Mar 14, 2017 10:13:06 GMT
Unchanged from the Clare game. Anyone know what parking is like around Fraher field? I think both Waterford football supporters are going to walk to the the game so we should be alright
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 12:28:20 GMT
A little surprised he didn't start Killian Spillane but he will probably be the first man in. Like you said he has a habit of sticking with the same team. They should win this handy enough. Should be better prepared now with a game already plus i think Clare are better than Waterford. When the Crokes lads come back he might not start them. If they win well this week. He might go with the same and have them on the bench.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 14, 2017 12:39:18 GMT
Waterford is a fair ol jaunt and there won't be many kerry supporters either - I was at a minor game there in the past and they had a reasonable local following. Pitch was very poor with large areas of sand - not sure what condition it is in this year.
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