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Post by onlykerry on Mar 9, 2017 9:49:45 GMT
Kerry will benefit from last nights game and Waterford offers another opportunity to get their act together for a tilt at a Munster title (yes I am being a little Presumptuous). Some positives and things to work on (probably just talk due to the short time to the next game). With this competition run in double quick time momentum is of the essence and our program gives us a great chance to build this. Still hopeful but by no means confident. Gaelic Grounds seems to have been the place to be last night however as Limerick beat Tipp after extra time in what sounds to have been a tempestous game with three red cards and blacks aplenty also. This sets up a Cork v Limerick semi next week in Pairc Ui Rinn.
P.S. totally agree about the numbers on the jerseys under lights - it was a guessing game even when the play was in front of you and totally impossible when any distance away.
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Post by homerj on Mar 9, 2017 10:49:32 GMT
think people are being disrespectful to Clare by saying it was a poor performance. any day you get 18 scores is a good day,its first round, they won, we move on.
clare have a bit of pedigree at minor over the last few years
they beat limerick by 12 points in the play off only lost by a point in 2015 semi to Tipp, a Tipp side who pushed kerry all the way in the final. last year, they beat limerick and kerry only beat them by 7 points in the semi final.
by law of averages, a 5-7 point win last night, was just about the correct score.
waterford wont be any pushovers either, they had a very good minor team in 2014 and pushed an excellent cork side, to 6 points in the semi final after beating Clare by 3 and only losing to Tipp by 4 in the first round. the 2014 minor championship in munster was one of the closest ever and last nights games show this year will be no different at u21.
one thing is for sure, this wont be an easy u-21 win and cork, away, represents a mammoth game. they will have got a big lift from Tipp being beaten by Limerick and will get a great test from a battle hardened limerick.
overall, jack will be happy with last night - job done and plenty of work to do.
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Post by champer on Mar 9, 2017 10:54:19 GMT
Can anyone give me some reasons why Shane Ryan has not been given a chance in goal for the seniors in the first couple of league games? He is a fierce size of a man (Diarmuid Murphy proportions), very good under a high ball, comfortable on the ball due to playing outfield for club and college and his kickouts look far better than the 2 keepers we have.
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Post by homerj on Mar 9, 2017 11:12:11 GMT
Can anyone give me some reasons why Shane Ryan has not been given a chance in goal for the seniors in the first couple of league games? He is a fierce size of a man (Diarmuid Murphy proportions), very good under a high ball, comfortable on the ball due to playing outfield for club and college and his kickouts look far better than the 2 keepers we have. because he is with the u-21s? their involvement has been limited at the moment.
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 9, 2017 11:18:38 GMT
it is not so long ago that people were suggesting we were so strong at this level we could field two teams. On the evidence of waht we saw last night we will do well to field one with sufficient competence to win Munster not to mind the All-Ireland. This was an unsatisfactory performance . It may be that Clare are far stronger than anticipated . They looked very good at times and employed the tactic that leaves Kerry teams at all levels wavering. They ran aggressively and straight and we respond in the modern Kerry way by executing excuse me tackles. It was truly alarming at times last night to see how easily our back line was sliced open. The best illustration of this was when their number five meandered through unmolested to score a fine goal. That man also scored a point and even though Mathew Flaherty scored freely he should not allow his man so much liberty. A prerequisite to counter this strong running through the middle is the presence of a powerful figure at CHB. On paper we had such a man ,Andrew Barry. But what happens? He spends most of the game at wing back with Brian Sugrue in the centre. What was that nonsense about? I give up trying to figure the mind of managers. Brian Sugrue was totally out of his depth at CHB. Indeed the entire half back line were feeble. We desperately need Gavin White and Brian O'Beaglaigh back on duty with of course Andrew at CHB. Shane Ryan could not be blamed for the goals. He plucked down about three certain points and his kicksout were satisfactory. Full back line was generally fine with Jason, as always, impregnable. Midfield was dysfunctional. I am not that this area can be improved. I have never seen Brian O'Seanachain play there for Ballydonoghue and Barry O'Sullvan is currently playing poorly. The first time I saw Mathew O'Sullivan was in the u21 last year. I came away feeling we had a big man but little else. In the first round of the McGrath cup I formed a different opinion. Somebody must have been working hard on Mathew. We now have a very accomplished footballer. In the first half he scored 1-1 and acted as a focal point for the attack. He got injured late in the half and lasted only about five minutes of the second half. I felt the attack lost their cohesion when he went off with Conor Geaney and young Bambury in particular suffering. Mathew is a key man on this team and I would be very fearful if he misses the game against Cork. Killian Spillane made a make impression when he came on. Why was he not on from the start? PS. The Kerry County Board are acting disgracefully by not doing something about the invisible numbers. It is nothing short of contempt for supporters. It is bad enough during the day with the seniors but it is a nightmare under lights with underage teams. It certainly has compromised my report as I was guessing for long stages as to had possession of the ball. Fair enough assessment veteran, I would say that Clare were fairly handy & our subs were a lot better. The numbers on the jerseys are a disaster, especially on the opposite side. As you, I couldn't understand why Andrew Barry was put out on the wing when there was no necessity to do it, especially when Clare were flying through the middle. I thought both Barrett, o Seanachain & Barry o Sullivan struggled as did Mathew o Flaherty in the first half when his man scored 1-1 from wingback. I thought they should have switched Barrett & Flaherty earlier. Seán o Shea & Matthew o Sullivan were impressive in the first half, I hope the latter is ok as he was a loss when he went off, killian Spillane was a very good replacement. Jack Morgan was good too when he came on. With the lads coming back in it's going to be tight for places but I think our boys will improve with the game. Underage games are never as one sided as people think they'll be.
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Post by champer on Mar 9, 2017 11:24:50 GMT
Can anyone give me some reasons why Shane Ryan has not been given a chance in goal for the seniors in the first couple of league games? He is a fierce size of a man (Diarmuid Murphy proportions), very good under a high ball, comfortable on the ball due to playing outfield for club and college and his kickouts look far better than the 2 keepers we have. because he is with the u-21s? their involvement has been limited at the moment. Jason Foley, Conor Geaney, Tom O'Sullivan, Barry O'Sullivan, Brian Begley all heavily involved in first two league games? Ryan has more potential to make the team this year
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 9, 2017 11:41:04 GMT
I wonder how many u21s will make Championship panel? I was just browsing an old Paidi book and he was talking about the Tough Brigade and we could do with a few. He was also talking about the 6 porter lads, The 6 Pack we'll call 'em. Casting the jersey into the bag after the match, Horse as captain told Dwyer that he had the porter to thank for the win, amazing the power of porter!
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 9, 2017 12:06:46 GMT
it is not so long ago that people were suggesting we were so strong at this level we could field two teams. On the evidence of waht we saw last night we will do well to field one with sufficient competence to win Munster not to mind the All-Ireland. This was an unsatisfactory performance . It may be that Clare are far stronger than anticipated . They looked very good at times and employed the tactic that leaves Kerry teams at all levels wavering. They ran aggressively and straight and we respond in the modern Kerry way by executing excuse me tackles. It was truly alarming at times last night to see how easily our back line was sliced open. The best illustration of this was when their number five meandered through unmolested to score a fine goal. That man also scored a point and even though Mathew Flaherty scored freely he should not allow his man so much liberty. A prerequisite to counter this strong running through the middle is the presence of a powerful figure at CHB. On paper we had such a man ,Andrew Barry. But what happens? He spends most of the game at wing back with Brian Sugrue in the centre. What was that nonsense about? I give up trying to figure the mind of managers. Brian Sugrue was totally out of his depth at CHB. Indeed the entire half back line were feeble. We desperately need Gavin White and Brian O'Beaglaigh back on duty with of course Andrew at CHB. Shane Ryan could not be blamed for the goals. He plucked down about three certain points and his kicksout were satisfactory. Full back line was generally fine with Jason, as always, impregnable. Midfield was dysfunctional. I am not that this area can be improved. I have never seen Brian O'Seanachain play there for Ballydonoghue and Barry O'Sullvan is currently playing poorly. The first time I saw Mathew O'Sullivan was in the u21 last year. I came away feeling we had a big man but little else. In the first round of the McGrath cup I formed a different opinion. Somebody must have been working hard on Mathew. We now have a very accomplished footballer. In the first half he scored 1-1 and acted as a focal point for the attack. He got injured late in the half and lasted only about five minutes of the second half. I felt the attack lost their cohesion when he went off with Conor Geaney and young Bambury in particular suffering. Mathew is a key man on this team and I would be very fearful if he misses the game against Cork. Killian Spillane made a make impression when he came on. Why was he not on from the start? PS. The Kerry County Board are acting disgracefully by not doing something about the invisible numbers. It is nothing short of contempt for supporters. It is bad enough during the day with the seniors but it is a nightmare under lights with underage teams. It certainly has compromised my report as I was guessing for long stages as to had possession of the ball. Excellent post. To digress out, the point Veteran makes on Kerry sides currently being unable to stop the runner or tackle correctly is now well diagnosed. However, perhaps our best antidote at senior level was inexplicably left leave the county and join the Mayo setup – Mr Donie Buckley. When it comes to coaching the art of tackling, Donie is second to none but maybe he knew too much and was too good for some?
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Post by smellUlater on Mar 9, 2017 12:59:03 GMT
What has Donie Buckley won?
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 9, 2017 13:23:42 GMT
Donie Buckley does not pull on a jersey and kick the ball over the bar so it's unfair to suggest he has won nothing. It may be more in line to criticise the inability of the players to get over the line. Anyway, Donie is an instrumental part of the Mayo setup. Mayo management teams have come and gone and Donie has remained a constant due to the high regard he is held in by the players. He worked with the Crokes a few years back and all the players have huge respect and the more senior players of the group regard him as one of the best coaches they have worked under.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 9, 2017 13:33:33 GMT
Donie Buckley does not pull on a jersey and kick the ball over the bar so it's unfair to suggest he has won nothing. It may be more in line to criticise the inability of the players to get over the line. Anyway, Donie is an instrumental part of the Mayo setup. Mayo management teams have come and gone and Donie has remained a constant due to the high regard he is held in by the players. He worked with the Crokes a few years back and all the players have huge respect and the more senior players of the group regard him as one of the best coaches they have worked under. I would fully endorse that and if you spoke to any of the Kerry senior panel from 2011 they were most impressed with him; he has been highly regarded where ever he has worked, Limerick, Kerry & Mayo and is much in demand - more is the pity that we decided to ditch him for whatever reasons.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 9, 2017 13:41:05 GMT
What has Donie Buckley won? An All Ireland club medal with Desmonds in 1985 when they beat a star studded St Vincents side back boned by Brian Mullins, Pat Canavan & Tommy Conroy - it was akin to Munster beating the All Blacks in 1978; by the way, Done fisted the last minute goal that brought them victory.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 9, 2017 13:54:56 GMT
What has Donie Buckley won? Oh, I see where you’re coming from alright. Technically you're right, no cigar yet as a coach but his been damn close and very unlucky. When Donie was involved with Kerry in 2011 - Kerry were excellent, as was their discipline and tackling that year and they were the best team that year but why didn't they win it? One should probably ask Joe McQuillian. Since Donie has been involved with Mayo, they've been close, really close. Mayo’s strength and conditioning, their defensive play and tackling have all improved enormously since Donie got involved. The Mayo players and management have acknowledged as such and his under his 3rd management regime there now. In truth, Mayo's best chance to win an All Ireland with this crop has probably gone now. However, given the deficiencies currently in our defensive play and tackling, Donie back involved with the Kerry set up given the young talent coming up could be of huge benefit. Mike Quirke, a man whose opinion I respect more than most, wrote a good article on Donie last September and I link it here. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/mike-quirke-with-donie-buckley-as-a-selector-mayo-can-grasp-sam-maguire-423154.html
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 9, 2017 14:37:18 GMT
This was always going to be a tough test. This was a Kerry team versus an up and coming Clare team. Their seniors are doing well, very well and have gone from Division 4 to Division 2 in successive promotions. There is still a chance they could be division 1 next year. Clare gave Kerry a real test last year for a long time before running out 12 point winners. The Clare seniors have just beaten Cork's seniors in the League in Cork and have beaten them well. The same Clare team that got a draw with Derry in Derry, have beaten Down and only lost to Galway so far, another up and coming team. Cian O’Dea, Keelan Sexton, David Egan and a few others have all played and trained with their senior panel. A lot of their U21s are also very accomplished hurlers and have known success there too. To beat Kerry they needed a defensive set up and be very disciplined and they did that excellently. Unlike Kerry they will have had a few more training sessions together whereas Kerry had a lot of the squad playing with their colleges, clubs, the seniors, etc., etc. But that would be looking for excuses rather than facing the problems. Clare set up defensively giving the Kerry forwards no space and most of the game was played in their half. I still don't think we have an answer to that, at any level. The difficulties we have with it were obvious in the first half. Having so many Clare players in their own half meant that the Kerry players followed their men and it meant 26 men in the Clare half for most of the first half. I realise that 6 Kerry forwards on 13 Clare players won't be a success, but have 13 Kerry players in the Clare half meant that every turnover created a lot of space for them to run at us. There was a huge open space between midfield and the two Kerry backs staying with their men. Once Clare turned over the ball they ran at us and with the Kerry players having to turn around and follow their man it always leaves gaps in defence. Mayo did that to us at senior level in the league, Monaghan did it and Roscommon did. Clare did it to us yesterday at U21 level and to great effect. In my opinion there are two ways of stopping that and one is a hard shoulder as soon as they start running with the ball from their own half. That will lead to frees, but a free further out in the field also gives the team also means the Kerry players can get back to their defensive positions. It works as long as you get men to give the free away in a not too obvious way, as in no cynical, black card deserving tackles. It will mean more frees and could also lead to more black and yellow cards. It is something Dublin and Tyrone, and in recent years Mayo, have learned to do and they do it well. The other tactic to stop the running is something Dublin and Tyrone do even better and that is using a sweeper, or even two sweepers. In the second half the Kerry management tried the sweeper and it worked very well. The Kerry players and management will have learned a lot from this match and they now have things to work on in training. Before facing Limerick or Cork in the final they will now travel to Dungarvan next Wednesday to take on Waterford. With all due respect to Waterford it will be a game to try things before the Munster final. I'm not disrespecting Waterford, but knowing Waterford GAA quite well and the attitudes to football in large parts of the county it should be a win for Kerry. It is ironic that Irish TV have shown more Waterford club football in recent weeks than probably all other irish channels together in the history of the GAA. Irish TV's acquisition by Irish Post might mean though that it will stop. They have done very well though at promoting Irish sports and showing things no other channel will show like the Gaelic Masters. The Waterford game will be a chance for Jack O'Connor to try out a few things. Gavin White, Micheál Burns, Jordan Kiely. on club duty with Dr. Crokes, will not be available next week nor will the injured Brian Ó Beaglaoich. Having two of last year's minors in the team in Daniel O’Brien and Sean O’Shea is good as they are excellent players and they keep two other All Ireland winners out of the team. Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Barry O’Sullivan, Brian Ó Seanachain, Tom Leo O’Sullivan and Matthew Flaherty all played in last year's U21 campaign as well and most have seen some time with the Kerry seniors as well. All in all a nice mix of experience and the vibrance of youth. I'm sure Jack will not mix things too much in the Waterford game, but instead will focus on ironing out the problems we are having. Some real competition for places and that can only be good. Some players, like Matthew Flaherty, will be sure of starting while others might have to step it up in training to play in the Waterford game as well. Consistency is key though in my opinion. Kerry used a lot of subs yesterday, all 6, and in my opinion didn't get worse, but better with fresh legs on. The team has Jack O'Connor written all over it; unlike the seniors we see lots of quick foot passes and players are comfortable running onto a ball on the bounce and winning possession. Players are in constant motion and starts runs before the pass happens. Players know where the run will go and pass the ball to where the player will be when the ball gets there. It's the type of play that I love and would love to see with the seniors as well. We were indeed vulnerable to runs by Clare, but towards the end of the game (halfway during the second half) it seemed like Kerry found an answer to that as well. Cork being the masters of that running game, especially their U21s, it is important that we learn how to deal with it. Matthew Flaherty was everywhere and the team revolves around him. What an engine he has. he was going back in defence and he was going forward, he showed up in midfield winning breaking ball and made the necessary tackles. Also ended up with 3 points. Matthew O'Sullivan was minding Killian Spillane's jersey and with 1-1 and a few more chances for points and goals he did very well. Killian came on after 34 minutes and was even better. Maybe because Clare were tiring a bit, but also because of Killian's composure. He looks so relaxed when taking his points, almost as if he has a guided missile system. He seems to be sure that as soon as the ball leaves his foot it will go over the bar. The game started nervously, as you might expect in the first game of the year, and it was 6 minutes until we saw the first score. Both sides had chances, but Kerry opened the scores. When the Clare wingback with Lispole connections, Conall Ó hAiniféin, got a goal in the 20th minute Kerry were 0-7 to 1-3. Kerry immediately rallied though and Matthew Flaherty and Matthew O'Sullivan combined for a goal for the latter 5 minutes later. Kerry got one more score after that and Clare got two leaving the sides 1-8 to 1-5 at the break. kerry could have been further ahead, but struggled with Clare's running and struggled to break down the defensive system. Kerry started the second half with 2 points whereas Clare got just 1, from a free. It looked as if Kerry had found an answer to Clare's running. After another run after 43 minutes at the Kerry defence Éimhin Courtney got a second goal for Clare and they again made it a 1 point game. 1-10 to 2-6 Kerry though sorted out defence quite effectively and from the 43rd minute to the end of the game Clare managed only 2 more points while kerry scored seven. Kerry brought on the subs and used all the subs they could use and didn't look like they would lose the game at all. Clare only scored 3 points from play (and 5 from frees), but leaking two goals is something Jack won't be happy about. Shane Ryan was immense. His kickouts were excellent and he picked out his man most of the time. Clare got on top of midfield a few times and Ryan immediately reverted back to quick short kickouts. He mixed it well and showed his footballing skills and his abilities as a full forward a few times as well. He is tall, very tall compared to Kealy and Kelly, and he is a very imposing figure in the goalmouth. It is hard to see why he wasn't at least tried in the McGrath cup, apart from the first game, or the first league matches. Tom Leo O’Sullivan was solid. Went forward a few times and set up the forwards very well. With Jason Foley and Tom O’Sullivan he completed the full back line and all three showed the same promise that they showed in the league games and Tom even got a point from play. In the first half Folley and Tom Leo were left alone with their men in the Kerry half and it caused problems. They prevented a lot of certain scores, but I don't think we can afford leaving the fullback line that exposed to running football. Tom O'Sullivan was found near midfield for most of the first half due to Clare putting men behind the ball and he should some amazing footballing skills. Brian Sugrue was excellent. A real workhorse and went forward a lot of times supplying the forwards with quality ball. His foot passing is exemplary.He was substituted towards the end by Cormac Coffey who got stuck in straight away. Both play a different game, but personally I think Sugrue is a sure starter, whereas Cormac Coffey is a real impact sub.Andrew Barry, Jack Barry's younger brother, was in the Clare half a lot, like most of our halfbacks and made the same piercing runs that Jack has become known for. With Clare running at us the counter someone had to go back and sweep and I thought Barry would have been perfect for that. Instead O'Brien was tasked with it, but he played the role well. It is a half back good enough for the senior game in my opinion. If we can sort out the obvious problem of teams running at us they would probably be the best half back line in the U21 championship. In midfield Barry O’Sullivan and Brian Ó Seanacháin did their thing and though they did not win every ball, nor would you expect to with Daragh Bohannon and Cian O’Dea in the middle for Clare. They used the mark well though and won most of the kick outs. Both are very mobile and run forward and both are masters at the foot passing. kerry's future midfield? That brings me to our flying half forwards. Brandon Barrett was probably one of our best defenders and our best forwards. He must have run at least a million miles and made a thousand tackles. Seán O’Shea and Matthew Flaherty too were amazing. Seán O’Shea was on free kicking duties and kicked two and 2 from play. His footpasses though and his runs caused Clare all sorts of trouble. Matthew Flaherty was my man of the match though and was everywhere. Kicked 3 points, went back in defence, passed the ball to the full forwards, he did it all. In the full forward line we started with Conor Geaney, Matthew O’Sullivan and Cathal Bambury and like with Kerry senior team it was a sign that Kerry still have the classiest forwards in Ireland. Bambury especially was all movement and impossible to mark. Of the replacements Lee O’Donoghue, Killian Spillane and Jack Morgan impressed me the most. For Clare I was very impressed with Conall Ó hAiniféin, Eimhin Courtney, Conor Finucane, Keelan Sexton, Darren Nagle, Cian O'Dea, Cillian Brennan and Daragh Bohannon impressed me the most. You'd have to feel for Clare that they don't get a second chance. I'm sure we will see these lads back in action though for Clare and it bodes well for Clare football. Given the nature of knock out football it was never going to be a trashing, but a 6 point win is huge. With LImerick beating Tipperary, a surprise win with a hint of Kerry (Firies Padraig de Brún playing with Limerick), it will be tough to know what the final pairing will be. Kerry should beat Waterford, there is no way they won't win, but can Limerick beat Cork? I think Cork are still the benchmark in Munster, but you'd expect Tipperary to be close to their level. With Limerick beating Tipperary the question is did they meet Tipperary on a bad day or are they really that good. It certainly would make Kerry's job easier psychologically having to play Limerick, but a tough test for Cork might mean they are even more dangerous in the final.
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 9, 2017 14:45:54 GMT
What has Donie Buckley won? The castleisland Desmond's AI club win in the 80's has already been highlighted but he is a serious operator on the coaching side.Ive seen him in action a few times & IMO Donie "box" would be the piece of the jigsaw that we've been missing for the past few years. He eats, drinks & sleeps football.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 9, 2017 15:25:29 GMT
Ropy Kerry performance last night, gaps all over the team needing work. We'll see how they get on in the Munster championship. Lots to be done both on and off the pitch.
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Post by veteran on Mar 9, 2017 15:41:13 GMT
A true story about Donie Buckley. Some years ago a coach up in Tyrone, forget his name, was running some courses designed to improve tckling skills etc. Two guys from a club in Kerry went up to learn some lessons in that particular discipline. After the session, the two lads got talking to the coach and when they told him they were from Kerry he replied "lads I don't know why you came up here. I learned these drills from Donie Buckley".
I have said it here before -get the man back at any cost. Our tackling is puerile. .
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Post by Premier on Mar 9, 2017 15:47:19 GMT
This was always going to be a tough test. This was a Kerry team versus an up and coming Clare team. Their seniors are doing well, very well and have gone from Division 4 to Division 2 in successive promotions. There is still a chance they could be division 1 next year. Clare gave Kerry a real test last year for a long time before running out 12 point winners. The Clare seniors have just beaten Cork's seniors in the League in Cork and have beaten them well. The same Clare team that got a draw with Derry in Derry, have beaten Down and only lost to Galway so far, another up and coming team. Cian O’Dea, Keelan Sexton, David Egan and a few others have all played and trained with their senior panel. A lot of their U21s are also very accomplished hurlers and have known success there too. To beat Kerry they needed a defensive set up and be very disciplined and they did that excellently. Unlike Kerry they will have had a few more training sessions together whereas Kerry had a lot of the squad playing with their colleges, clubs, the seniors, etc., etc. But that would be looking for excuses rather than facing the problems. Clare set up defensively giving the Kerry forwards no space and most of the game was played in their half. I still don't think we have an answer to that, at any level. The difficulties we have with it were obvious in the first half. Having so many Clare players in their own half meant that the Kerry players followed their men and it meant 26 men in the Clare half for most of the first half. I realise that 6 Kerry forwards on 13 Clare players won't be a success, but have 13 Kerry players in the Clare half meant that every turnover created a lot of space for them to run at us. There was a huge open space between midfield and the two Kerry backs staying with their men. Once Clare turned over the ball they ran at us and with the Kerry players having to turn around and follow their man it always leaves gaps in defence. Mayo did that to us at senior level in the league, Monaghan did it and Roscommon did. Clare did it to us yesterday at U21 level and to great effect. In my opinion there are two ways of stopping that and one is a hard shoulder as soon as they start running with the ball from their own half. That will lead to frees, but a free further out in the field also gives the team also means the Kerry players can get back to their defensive positions. It works as long as you get men to give the free away in a not too obvious way, as in no cynical, black card deserving tackles. It will mean more frees and could also lead to more black and yellow cards. It is something Dublin and Tyrone, and in recent years Mayo, have learned to do and they do it well. The other tactic to stop the running is something Dublin and Tyrone do even better and that is using a sweeper, or even two sweepers. In the second half the Kerry management tried the sweeper and it worked very well. The Kerry players and management will have learned a lot from this match and they now have things to work on in training. Before facing Limerick or Cork in the final they will now travel to Dungarvan next Wednesday to take on Waterford. With all due respect to Waterford it will be a game to try things before the Munster final. I'm not disrespecting Waterford, but knowing Waterford GAA quite well and the attitudes to football in large parts of the county it should be a win for Kerry. It is ironic that Irish TV have shown more Waterford club football in recent weeks than probably all other irish channels together in the history of the GAA. Irish TV's acquisition by Irish Post might mean though that it will stop. They have done very well though at promoting Irish sports and showing things no other channel will show like the Gaelic Masters. The Waterford game will be a chance for Jack O'Connor to try out a few things. Gavin White, Micheál Burns, Jordan Kiely. on club duty with Dr. Crokes, will not be available next week nor will the injured Brian Ó Beaglaoich. Having two of last year's minors in the team in Daniel O’Brien and Sean O’Shea is good as they are excellent players and they keep two other All Ireland winners out of the team. Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Barry O’Sullivan, Brian Ó Seanachain, Tom Leo O’Sullivan and Matthew Flaherty all played in last year's U21 campaign as well and most have seen some time with the Kerry seniors as well. All in all a nice mix of experience and the vibrance of youth. I'm sure Jack will not mix things too much in the Waterford game, but instead will focus on ironing out the problems we are having. Some real competition for places and that can only be good. Some players, like Matthew Flaherty, will be sure of starting while others might have to step it up in training to play in the Waterford game as well. Consistency is key though in my opinion. Kerry used a lot of subs yesterday, all 6, and in my opinion didn't get worse, but better with fresh legs on. The team has Jack O'Connor written all over it; unlike the seniors we see lots of quick foot passes and players are comfortable running onto a ball on the bounce and winning possession. Players are in constant motion and starts runs before the pass happens. Players know where the run will go and pass the ball to where the player will be when the ball gets there. It's the type of play that I love and would love to see with the seniors as well. We were indeed vulnerable to runs by Clare, but towards the end of the game (halfway during the second half) it seemed like Kerry found an answer to that as well. Cork being the masters of that running game, especially their U21s, it is important that we learn how to deal with it. Matthew Flaherty was everywhere and the team revolves around him. What an engine he has. he was going back in defence and he was going forward, he showed up in midfield winning breaking ball and made the necessary tackles. Also ended up with 3 points. Matthew O'Sullivan was minding Killian Spillane's jersey and with 1-1 and a few more chances for points and goals he did very well. Killian came on after 34 minutes and was even better. Maybe because Clare were tiring a bit, but also because of Killian's composure. He looks so relaxed when taking his points, almost as if he has a guided missile system. He seems to be sure that as soon as the ball leaves his foot it will go over the bar. The game started nervously, as you might expect in the first game of the year, and it was 6 minutes until we saw the first score. Both sides had chances, but Kerry opened the scores. When the Clare wingback with Lispole connections, Conall Ó hAiniféin, got a goal in the 20th minute Kerry were 0-7 to 1-3. Kerry immediately rallied though and Matthew Flaherty and Matthew O'Sullivan combined for a goal for the latter 5 minutes later. Kerry got one more score after that and Clare got two leaving the sides 1-8 to 1-5 at the break. kerry could have been further ahead, but struggled with Clare's running and struggled to break down the defensive system. Kerry started the second half with 2 points whereas Clare got just 1, from a free. It looked as if Kerry had found an answer to Clare's running. After another run after 43 minutes at the Kerry defence Éimhin Courtney got a second goal for Clare and they again made it a 1 point game. 1-10 to 2-6 Kerry though sorted out defence quite effectively and from the 43rd minute to the end of the game Clare managed only 2 more points while kerry scored seven. Kerry brought on the subs and used all the subs they could use and didn't look like they would lose the game at all. Clare only scored 3 points from play (and 5 from frees), but leaking two goals is something Jack won't be happy about. Shane Ryan was immense. His kickouts were excellent and he picked out his man most of the time. Clare got on top of midfield a few times and Ryan immediately reverted back to quick short kickouts. He mixed it well and showed his footballing skills and his abilities as a full forward a few times as well. He is tall, very tall compared to Kealy and Kelly, and he is a very imposing figure in the goalmouth. It is hard to see why he wasn't at least tried in the McGrath cup, apart from the first game, or the first league matches. Tom Leo O’Sullivan was solid. Went forward a few times and set up the forwards very well. With Jason Foley and Tom O’Sullivan he completed the full back line and all three showed the same promise that they showed in the league games and Tom even got a point from play. In the first half Folley and Tom Leo were left alone with their men in the Kerry half and it caused problems. They prevented a lot of certain scores, but I don't think we can afford leaving the fullback line that exposed to running football. Tom O'Sullivan was found near midfield for most of the first half due to Clare putting men behind the ball and he should some amazing footballing skills. Brian Sugrue was excellent. A real workhorse and went forward a lot of times supplying the forwards with quality ball. His foot passing is exemplary.He was substituted towards the end by Cormac Coffey who got stuck in straight away. Both play a different game, but personally I think Sugrue is a sure starter, whereas Cormac Coffey is a real impact sub.Andrew Barry, Jack Barry's younger brother, was in the Clare half a lot, like most of our halfbacks and made the same piercing runs that Jack has become known for. With Clare running at us the counter someone had to go back and sweep and I thought Barry would have been perfect for that. Instead O'Brien was tasked with it, but he played the role well. It is a half back good enough for the senior game in my opinion. If we can sort out the obvious problem of teams running at us they would probably be the best half back line in the U21 championship. In midfield Barry O’Sullivan and Brian Ó Seanacháin did their thing and though they did not win every ball, nor would you expect to with Daragh Bohannon and Cian O’Dea in the middle for Clare. They used the mark well though and won most of the kick outs. Both are very mobile and run forward and both are masters at the foot passing. kerry's future midfield? That brings me to our flying half forwards. Brandon Barrett was probably one of our best defenders and our best forwards. He must have run at least a million miles and made a thousand tackles. Seán O’Shea and Matthew Flaherty too were amazing. Seán O’Shea was on free kicking duties and kicked two and 2 from play. His footpasses though and his runs caused Clare all sorts of trouble. Matthew Flaherty was my man of the match though and was everywhere. Kicked 3 points, went back in defence, passed the ball to the full forwards, he did it all. In the full forward line we started with Conor Geaney, Matthew O’Sullivan and Cathal Bambury and like with Kerry senior team it was a sign that Kerry still have the classiest forwards in Ireland. Bambury especially was all movement and impossible to mark. Of the replacements Lee O’Donoghue, Killian Spillane and Jack Morgan impressed me the most. For Clare I was very impressed with Conall Ó hAiniféin, Eimhin Courtney, Conor Finucane, Keelan Sexton, Darren Nagle, Cian O'Dea, Cillian Brennan and Daragh Bohannon impressed me the most. You'd have to feel for Clare that they don't get a second chance. I'm sure we will see these lads back in action though for Clare and it bodes well for Clare football. Given the nature of knock out football it was never going to be a trashing, but a 6 point win is huge. With LImerick beating Tipperary, a surprise win with a hint of Kerry (Firies Padraig de Brún playing with Limerick), it will be tough to know what the final pairing will be. Kerry should beat Waterford, there is no way they won't win, but can Limerick beat Cork? I think Cork are still the benchmark in Munster, but you'd expect Tipperary to be close to their level. With Limerick beating Tipperary the question is did they meet Tipperary on a bad day or are they really that good. It certainly would make Kerry's job easier psychologically having to play Limerick, but a tough test for Cork might mean they are even more dangerous in the final. You are giving a lot of praise to a defence who conceded 5/6 goal chances. They couldn't have been that good if there was that much cutting through the middle. I thought the backs look strong on paper, stronger than the forwards even but shipping that amount of goal chances as well as Clare kicking numerous wides doesn't bode too well
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 9, 2017 15:54:55 GMT
You are giving a lot of praise to a defence who conceded 5/6 goal chances. They couldn't have been that good if there was that much cutting through the middle. I thought the backs look strong on paper, stronger than the forwards even but shipping that amount of goal chances as well as Clare kicking numerous wides doesn't bode too well I think that would be dismissing Clare too easily. Kerry have not had many training sessions together yet with players involved with the clubs, colleges and the seniors. In the first half we looked very vulnerable at the back, but mostly because of the trap they were being sucked in to of going forward into the Clare half. In the second half we made that running almost impossible for Clare. Clare did kick a few wides, but that was also because they were put under pressure. Apart from the two goals Clare scored only 3 points from play. Obviously improvement is needed, but I thought that towards the end of the game they looked like a very good unit and Clare didn't manage any scores from play in the last 20 minutes.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 9, 2017 16:01:12 GMT
A true story about Donie Buckley. Some years ago a coach up in Tyrone, forget his name, was running some courses designed to improve tckling skills etc. Two guys from a club in Kerry went up to learn some lessons in that particular discipline. After the session, the two lads got talking to the coach and when they told him they were from Kerry he replied "lads I don't know why you came up here. I learned these drills from Donie Buckley". I have said it here before -get the man back at any cost. Our tackling is puerile. . Donie was part of a proposed management team back in 2009 to take over the Kerry U-21s along with Jerome Stack who was to be the bainisteoir; anyone who knows Donie will know that he prefers the background, not the limelight. For reasons best known to the county board chairman, Jerome was not appointed , John Kennedy being preferred. Jerome was a selector the previous year with Sean Geaney & John Galvin ( Waterville) when we won the All Ireland. He was the natural successor to Sean in my opinion - a wonderful opportunity lost.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 9, 2017 16:06:02 GMT
What has Donie Buckley won? Why do you ask that. What does it matter.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 9, 2017 16:12:53 GMT
Not sure I was at the same game as Seoirse.
Kerry started the second half with three wides before they scored their two points. They missed a hell of a lot in the second half.
Kerry were just as defensive as Clare and at times there were only two Kerry players in the Clare half.
Kerry played Clare in R1 of the minor in 2014 in Cusack Park and the scoreline was far more emphatic 2-16 to 0-7
The teams that day were:
Kerry – S Ryan (capt); J Morgan, B Begley, T O’Sullivan; J Foley, A Barry, B Sugrue; B O’Sullivan, M O’Connor; M Flaherty, B Rayle, M Burns; J Kelly, K Spillane, C Bambury Subs: S O’Sullivan for Bambury (inj, 4), C Coffey for Foley (26), L Kearney for Rayle (52), T Ó Sé for B O’Sullivan (52), I Parker for Flaherty (58), D Roche for Morgan (58). Clare – K Normoyle; B Cahill (capt), P Lillis, J Woods; C Ó hAiniféin, C Pyne, C O’Dea; N McCarthy, E Hanrahan; K Sexton, E Courtney, A Rudd; C Finucane, M Duffy, A Davidson Subs: C Downes for Cahill (BC, 20), L Tierney for Rudd (h-t), L Madigan for Duffy (38), M Byrne for Hanrahan (45), L Howard for Pyne (55).
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 9, 2017 16:19:56 GMT
From what I've seen from the recent minor teams and from the U21s so far this year is that the forwards are ferocious in the tackle and make it extremely difficult for the oppostion defence to come out with the ball. The problem sets in from midfield on as it did last night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 16:24:56 GMT
Good post seoirse earlier. Clare were always going to make it tough for Kerry. I expected that before the game. Their was going to be no hammering. This is an excellent Kerry team . Shane Ryan is class. The backs although they struggled will get better. With Briain O'Beaglaoich and Gavin White to come in they will be very strong. Barry O'Sullivan and Briain O'Seanachain have not played much together but give them time they are both excellent footballers. Matt Flaherty who was excellent and Brandon Barrett are great workhorses and they will play a huge part for Kerry down the road. Mike Burns will come back and Kerry will have a great 3 man rotation. Killian Spillane was very good when he came on and he will start down the road. Conor Geaney Cathal Bambury Matt O'Sullivan and Jordan Kiely that gives you five good scorers the full forward line. Sean O'Shea is an excellent player and he will only get better . I wouldn't be surprised to see Dara Moynihan and David Shaw on the bench either depending on how the Sem go before the year is out. Give them time this is a very good side . They get a game together again next week . They get a Munster final and more training together and some challenge games. I think they win Munster beat the Connacht champions and make it to a final . I wouldn't bet against them. We need patience . They have things to work on but I expect them to get that right.
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Post by number14 on Mar 9, 2017 16:43:52 GMT
Good post seoirse earlier. Clare were always going to make it tough for Kerry. I expected that before the game. Their was going to be no hammering. This is an excellent Kerry team . Shane Ryan is class. The backs although they struggled will get better. With Briain O'Beaglaoich and Gavin White to come in they will be very strong. Barry O'Sullivan and Briain O'Seanachain have not played much together but give them time they are both excellent footballers. Matt Flaherty who was excellent and Brandon Barrett are great workhorses and they will play a huge part for Kerry down the road. Mike Burns will come back and Kerry will have a great 3 man rotation. Killian Spillane was very good when he came on and he will start down the road. Conor Geaney Cathal Bambury Matt O'Sullivan and Jordan Kiely that gives you five good scorers the full forward line. Sean O'Shea is an excellent player and he will only get better . I wouldn't be surprised to see Dara Moynihan and David Shaw on the bench either depending on how the Sem go before the year is out. Give them time this is a very good side . They get a game together again next week . They get a Munster final and more training together and some challenge games. I think they win Munster beat the Connacht champions and make it to a final . I wouldn't bet against them. We need patience . They have things to work on but I expect them to get that right. Good grief - you left out a few of the Crokes lads there (Billy C, Dave N and Michael P just to begin and that great u12, what was his name again). LOL
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 9, 2017 16:51:13 GMT
Not only is this the last year of the u21 grade competition but in 2018 the u20 competition is scheduled to play across the summer months of June to August - at least that was the original plan. Perhaps the condensed senior season will impact this but what it does mean is u20 season clashes with the senior championship season and not the league as at present.
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Post by taggert on Mar 9, 2017 17:28:51 GMT
Entire half back line and midfield were poor last nite - lets call a spade a spade. I think there will and should be changes for next week with Morgan impressing particularly when introduced.
Spillane should get a start upfront too.
If Na Crocaigh had his way, when all the SEM and Crokes greats become available, everyone else should be happy to just to make the match day squad.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:06:48 GMT
A stupid comment from a stupid person
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Post by buck02 on Mar 9, 2017 18:13:54 GMT
Clare were better than I expected I must admit. I thought the full back line was comfortable, our half forward line industrious (with great scores from Seanie Shea and Flaherty - but Flaherty struggled on tracking his man) and full forward line did alright but I expected a bit more from Geaney. Mathew Sullivan got a red card (for two yellows) in the first half against Tipp last year. He was booked last night very early on for a challenge around the neck last night, somebody needs to have a word with him about this.
Sugrue was given the task of marking Keelan Sexton and had a tough enough night, same for Dan O Brien. I thought the game bypassed our two midfielders and they probably wont be too happy either. Barry Sullivan is struggling for form, a confidence booster in Waterford might just be what the doctor order for him. Killian Spillane got some good scores within minutes of coming on and its hard to see him not starting against Cork in the final. So I'd say for the final you could have 4 if not 5 changes to the starting line up from last night.
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Post by ballynamona on Mar 9, 2017 21:59:28 GMT
A true story about Donie Buckley. Some years ago a coach up in Tyrone, forget his name, was running some courses designed to improve tckling skills etc. Two guys from a club in Kerry went up to learn some lessons in that particular discipline. After the session, the two lads got talking to the coach and when they told him they were from Kerry he replied "lads I don't know why you came up here. I learned these drills from Donie Buckley". I have said it here before -get the man back at any cost. Our tackling is puerile. . That is the most dispiriting aspect of the last few years, the same flaws every year. Tackling being one of the worst.
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