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Post by Mickmack on May 13, 2017 11:58:28 GMT
I lost respect for Kennelly after his book and media appearances post the 2009 final. He owed Nicholas murphy an apology but instead he seemed to be proud out of his nasty actions. Even Philly McMahon hasn't stopped that low.
I can rationalise the assault on murphy as the heat of the moment type of thing but the aftermath was appalling.
He didn't seem to care about the image of kerry or the kerry brand.
So it seems to me that tadhg knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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Post by ballynamona on May 13, 2017 13:26:03 GMT
I lost respect for Kennelly after his book and media appearances post the 2009 final. He owed Nicholas murphy an apology but instead he seemed to be proud out of his nasty actions. Even Philly McMahon hasn't stopped that low. I can rationalise the assault on murphy as the heat of the moment type of thing but the aftermath was appalling. He didn't seem to care about the image of kerry or the kerry brand. So it seems to me that tadhg knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. I can't believe I'm defending Kennelly but I'm pretty sure he expressed regret for how that came across in the book. He was definitely repentant. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth too that he is fishing these waters. But the fightback will have to consist of creating some alternative routes for people.
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Post by kerrygold on May 14, 2017 9:58:58 GMT
He styles his role on guiding players that want to go Australia. The brief didn't describe, pursuing, harassing or poaching players. There should be a distinction made between the two polar opposites. If players approach him that is a different, pursuing, harassing and poaching leaves a distasteful taste in the mouth with a strong residue of disdain towards the guy. Some of these players are already settled into university degree courses and happily playing for Kerry. Cherry picking kerry's best young players every year is not sustainable for the county.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 14, 2017 10:35:52 GMT
He styles his role on guiding players that want to go Australia. The brief didn't describe, pursuing, harassing or poaching players. There should be a distinction made between the two polar opposites. If players approach him that is a different, pursuing, harassing and poaching leaves a distasteful taste in the mouth with a strong residue of disdain towards the guy. Some of these players are already settled into university degree courses and happily playing for Kerry. Cherry picking kerry's best young players every year is not sustainable for the county. But he did that jig after the winning the all Ireland final (another self promoting piece of nonsense) and talks about how much he loves Kerry- sure isn't he a great lad
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:56:57 GMT
Stop embarrassing yourself 'lad'
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 14, 2017 12:43:30 GMT
Stop embarrassing yourself 'lad' Debate the point not the poster
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 15, 2017 2:26:10 GMT
The reality is that Oz is professional and borderless while then GAA is about pride of place and there is nothing anyone can do to change that -for the GAA it is damage limitation and we are exposed to the cherry picking of our greatest players. Have no doubt that Tadhg will have plenty of fellas in Kerry feeding him plenty of info, such is the ruthlessness and money involved. I feel for the players left behind who lose out as their chances of success are reduced when key players jump ship. Can anyone tell us what precisely went wrong with Tommy Walsh -he left as a great in the making and having had better induction out there that Tadhg would have had, he came back wrecked. It must be terrible on him, so if anyone close to things knows please share it.
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Post by homerj on May 15, 2017 8:54:24 GMT
Can anyone tell us what precisely went wrong with Tommy Walsh -he left as a great in the making and having had better induction out there that Tadhg would have had, he came back wrecked. It must be terrible on him, so if anyone close to things knows please share it. pure and simple, injuries destroyed him. its a tough, physical and professional game. the demands placed on the body are much more than the GAA. he isnt the only one destroyed by injuries. would be good idea for some journalist to do up a list of all the lads who went out there, how long they stayed, how successfull they are/were and how their GAA careers were after they came back.
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Post by peanuts on May 15, 2017 13:10:34 GMT
Can anyone tell us what precisely went wrong with Tommy Walsh -he left as a great in the making and having had better induction out there that Tadhg would have had, he came back wrecked. It must be terrible on him, so if anyone close to things knows please share it. pure and simple, injuries destroyed him. its a tough, physical and professional game. the demands placed on the body are much more than the GAA. he isnt the only one destroyed by injuries. would be good idea for some journalist to do up a list of all the lads who went out there, how long they stayed, how successfull they are/were and how their GAA careers were after they came back. Tommy got a very bad hamstring injury which he appears to have not fully recovered from. There have been a number of instances of similar injuries in the GAA recently including Ger Cafferkey from Mayo who's just back playing after a year out and Brian Hurley from Cork who has done it twice in the past year. Too simplistic IMO to blame the Aussie rules for it unless he has other injuries I'm not aware of.
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Post by greengold35 on May 15, 2017 14:10:13 GMT
pure and simple, injuries destroyed him. its a tough, physical and professional game. the demands placed on the body are much more than the GAA. he isnt the only one destroyed by injuries. would be good idea for some journalist to do up a list of all the lads who went out there, how long they stayed, how successfull they are/were and how their GAA careers were after they came back. Tommy got a very bad hamstring injury which he appears to have not fully recovered from. There have been a number of instances of similar injuries in the GAA recently including Ger Cafferkey from Mayo who's just back playing after a year out and Brian Hurley from Cork who has done it twice in the past year. Too simplistic IMO to blame the Aussie rules for it unless he has other injuries I'm not aware of. Tommy had his hamstring torn off the bone - in many cases it's a career ending injury ( Paul O'Connell for example) - he has done well with top class rehab to be still playing sport at any level .
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Post by givehimaball on May 15, 2017 19:16:37 GMT
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Post by kerryforliam on May 16, 2017 8:21:02 GMT
Were you at the game? Should Donal O Sullivan have been taken off early in the second half considering he has a far bigger game coming up next week? And excuse my french but i think that's pure tripe by you about the coaches, the only reason the other teams are excelling is because they are joined! The only good coaching these lads are getting is with the schools! Who even trains them teams you're on about? Yes was at the game and how is next Tuesday nights game "a far bigger game " Yes of course the schools coaching helps too, theres alot of teams joined up some with 3/4 teams because of short numbers and there not playing in top division s ?? It takes up to 5 or 6 underage coaches to get these lads up to minors and they do help to mature these lads. Do you think so that club coaches do nothing ?? As from your remark above It'd be something to do with it being the final. But you only mentioned a handful of teams who are amalgamated and are in the top division, only reason some of the teams you mentioned are in the higher divisions is because they are brought up by their coaches to be absolute rooters.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 16, 2017 21:34:31 GMT
Congratulations to our Kerry Under17s for defeating Cork this evening in Tralee. Kerry's stranglehold of Munster underage football is complete for this season having beaten Cork at under 17,18 and 21 level - some going! Come on the Kingdom!
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2017 21:54:48 GMT
15 points to 10
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Post by Jo90 on May 16, 2017 22:01:57 GMT
Did Tommy Griffin get hit by the Cork players?
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Post by fivenarow on May 16, 2017 22:07:32 GMT
Fair play to the kerry team this evening, after a shaky start they settled & played some good football. Cork look physically stronger especially around the middle but kerry just seemed to grind out the scores. A good decent performance in a tough encounter. In the cold light of day I think some of the cork lads won't be too proud of their antics both during the game & after the final whistle & I think the ccc will be busy over the coming days. On my count they had 4 yellows & a red card but the kerry boys kept their discipline amid constant intimidation. The carry on after the final whistle was nothing short of thuggery & I hope the ccc throw the book at the culprits. Underage kerry football marches on which is all positive.
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Post by fivenarow on May 16, 2017 22:19:29 GMT
Did Tommy Griffin get hit by the Cork players? He was certainly stuck in the middle of it but so we're about another 40 people between players, mentors, stewards etc. It was all started by the cork number 14 who had been substituted earlier, he attacked one of the kerry players after the final whistle & it erupted into a free for all. I heard after that one of the cork players assaulted the ref as well. Shocking stuff by young fellows representing their families, clubs & county. As I've posted above they were at it all night & 4 yellows & a red tells its own story.
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Post by madforfootball on May 16, 2017 22:23:47 GMT
Yes was at the game and how is next Tuesday nights game "a far bigger game " Yes of course the schools coaching helps too, theres alot of teams joined up some with 3/4 teams because of short numbers and there not playing in top division s ?? It takes up to 5 or 6 underage coaches to get these lads up to minors and they do help to mature these lads. Do you think so that club coaches do nothing ?? As from your remark above It'd be something to do with it being the final. But you only mentioned a handful of teams who are amalgamated and are in the top division, only reason some of the teams you mentioned are in the higher divisions is because they are brought up by their coaches to be absolute rooters. Can you name more teams that are joined playing at high divisions? And was the semi final against Cork not a knock out game ? And now coaches are teaching there players to be rooters ? Anyway away from your negative talk , Massive win for Kerry tonight Cork looked bigger around middle but didn't do the business where it counted "on the scoreboard) wat happen at half time was a disgrace to underage football from wat I could see Peter Keane got struck few times in the tunnel by Cork players absolutely ridiculous. Cork football in a bad place with that carry on.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 16, 2017 22:39:05 GMT
Can't but remark poor NK representation and hardly an isolated observation. Is soccer more prevailent up North? I suppose Tralee isn't overly represented here either. I'd love to see a study of the number of county players as a percentage of the population by region in Kerry, 5 years trends would be interesting and it is wonder make for a good graduate thesis with ITT now a centre of sports excellence and the GAA element is significant. The forum would of course be a valuable sounding board and wee would all help out to make it a success. Now over to our aspiring undergraduates.
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Post by hurlingman on May 17, 2017 8:51:39 GMT
He helped us win an All Ireland in 2009. He cried after winning his All Ireland, not so long after his father's death. Don't be so arrogant to know another man's mind. You're ignoring the facts and being too easily sucked in by the story of his journey- if said occurrence had been a one off then maybe you'd be right but the same crap popped up every preseason. Don't be under any illusion that he has ever given a fiddlers about Kerry GAA- as far as I can see it's always been about raising his own profile. He did win an all Ireland but fecked off after one year- once he had received all the plaudits about being the first man to win it along with a grand final. He wanted headlines for himself and once that was ticked off there was no need to stay in 2010- although he did talk about it when undergoing contract negotiations I agree. I've always thought his role in 2009 has been over hyped. You'd think he was the sole reason for winning the All-Ireland! Was he good that year? Yes Would Kerry have won that All-Ireland without him? Very possibly. People can say waht they want but he never gave a s*** about Kerry. As has been said every time his contract was coming to an end he'd alway come out with the story about wanting to come back to play with Kerry. Wont even get into the book! Fact is Tadhg worries about Tadhg and noone else
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Post by hurlingman on May 17, 2017 8:54:50 GMT
Can't but remark poor NK representation and hardly an isolated observation. Is soccer more prevailent up North? I suppose Tralee isn't overly represented here either. I'd love to see a study of the number of county players as a percentage of the population by region in Kerry, 5 years trends would be interesting and it is wonder make for a good graduate thesis with ITT now a centre of sports excellence and the GAA element is significant. The forum would of course be a valuable sounding board and wee would all help out to make it a success. Now over to our aspiring undergraduates. This BS again. There's only one player from South Kerry why not comment on that?
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Post by fivenarow on May 17, 2017 9:23:14 GMT
Can't but remark poor NK representation and hardly an isolated observation. Is soccer more prevailent up North? I suppose Tralee isn't overly represented here either. I'd love to see a study of the number of county players as a percentage of the population by region in Kerry, 5 years trends would be interesting and it is wonder make for a good graduate thesis with ITT now a centre of sports excellence and the GAA element is significant. The forum would of course be a valuable sounding board and wee would all help out to make it a success. Now over to our aspiring undergraduates. Agh, how did you make that one out?? 2 stacks, 1 Na gaeil, 1 castleisland, 1 Mitchels & 1 listowel starting which is 1/3 of the team?? Another 1 Stacks, 1 Desmond's & 1 Ballymac in the subs which makes 8 out of the 24 on the panel were from North Kerry clubs i.e. 1/3?? Can't see your justification in saying poor NK representation unless the country board have changed the parish rule overnight 😳😳
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Post by keane on May 17, 2017 9:28:33 GMT
Tralee being considered part of North Kerry is news to me in fairness
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Post by fivenarow on May 17, 2017 9:37:26 GMT
Tralee being considered part of North Kerry is news to me in fairness You obviously don't follow the development squads.
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Post by keane on May 17, 2017 10:03:55 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious we're talking about traditional North Kerry clubs, maybe I'm wrong
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Post by veteran on May 17, 2017 10:09:25 GMT
U17 Munster Final
Kerry 0-15 Cork 0-10 HT 0-8 0-6
Considering their poor start, considering the huge scores Cork had racked up in their previous games, this was a notable and very satisfying win by Kerry. There was a very strong wind blowing into the Horan end which Kerry had in the first half but it was Cork who started like a train, similar to their minors the week before. In a matter of minutes they reeled off three points, two from the hugely impressive Blake Murphy(one a free) and one from Mark Keane. But again like the minor match, Kerry awoke from their slumber and led by captain Sean O'Connell at midfield, a shining light all through, they registered the next six scores. Michael Slattery got two, Sean Doherty , Dara Casey and Michael Kelliher one each from play. Michael also got one from a free. Play was now of a high standard and both sets of players were not holding back. Cork got the next two scores both from play via Mark Cronin and Blake Murphy. Sean Keane replied for Kerry. Blake Murphy, again, got a point for Cork and Michael Slattery finished the scoring for that half. The teams went off to a round of applause and the tension mitigated the bitter cold of that strong breeze. Apparently, this tension boiled over in the tunnel I was told told afterwards. I was on the far side and was not aware of it. This was a harbinger of what ensued after the final whistle in front of the dugouts.
Kerry two points up after playing with the breeze. In those circumstances, one normally would feel that the lead was insufficient facing that breeze in the second half. However, I sensed there was a purposeful attitude about this Kerry side and that if they were to submit it would be death with the boots still attached. That is the way it transpired. Kerry replicated Cork's start of the first half, surging forward for the first three scores of the half , all from play , courtesy of Franz Sauerland,could just as easily have finished in the net, Daire Cleary and Barry Keane. Again this latter effort could have been a goal. Cork now had a period of dominance. Mark Cronin pointed a free and Conor Russell got one from play. However wild shooting and poor free taking meant their dominance midway through the second half was not reflected on the scoreboard. Indeed, the free taking from both sides was poor. As far as I can recall Cork scored two from frees and Kerry one .
Apart from those missed chances Cork's cause was not helped by some great Kerry defending, especially by Dylan Casey, Fergal Barry and Eddie Horan. Indeed on a couple of occasions those defenders made morale lifting long distance bursts upfield. One by Fergal Barry was particularly inspirational as he finished up in the 21 metre line before being fouled. The easy free was missed but that safari exercise gave timely and welcome respite to the Kerry defence. I presume Fergal is a brother of Jack and Alan, so the DNA is right. Impressive corner forward, Sean Keane, lifted the siege with a Kerry point but that man again, Blake Murphy, scored one for Cork. Cork minors could have done with Blake. Sean Keane and Daire Cleary got the next two points. As he did in the Tipperary game, Daire, nephew of Cork's John, came on at half time and emerged as a key man. He has blinding pace and makes straight tracks for goals. It is hard to see him not making the first fifteen the next day. After those scores it appeared that Kerry had the trophy in the bag. They did have a scare later when a Cork " goal" was flicked to the net. However, it was disallowed because the ball had gone wide before being retrieved. It would have been a total injustice had it stood because a Kerry player in possession outfield had been clearly fouled. Mark Cronin got Cork's last point and Daire Cleary had the final say with a Kerry point.
After the Tipp match, I pointed out how impressed I was by Michael Slattery and bemoaned the fact that he did not see enough of the ball at full forward. After Cork's all guns blazing first half start Michael came out to the forty. It was a key move. He kicked three invaluable points in that turbulent period for Kerry, proving too good for a variety of opponents. It would appear that Austin Stacks have mined another gem of a forward. It must be said that the craft and pace of Kerry minor , Donal O'Sullivan, was badly missed from the Kerry half forward line. The hope is that he will return to the forty for the semifinal with Michael moving back to full forward. The prospect of a Donal/Michael central offensive axis is a tasty prospect.
I was expecting more from Cork minor, Mark Keane at midfield. Mark was one of the best players on the field in the minor game. Last night he was opposed by Franz Sauerland. Now Mark is clearly a superior footballer to Franz but Franz is one of those awkward customers who , in spite of an apparent limited ability, makes it very difficult for a seemingly better opponent to impose himself. Sean O'Connell was the most consistent midfielder in the game.
I have been observing Cork football fora long time and generally speaking their approach has usually been a fair one. Last night seemed to be an exception to this rule. Obviously, I am looking at it from a Kerry standpoint but there appeared to be an undercurrent of nastiness in Cork's approach to the game. There were several instances of off the ball fouling, only some of which was picked up. As far as I can recall this attitude earned them four yellows, one black and one red. I am not sure if it was a straight red or two yellows. Most of these bookings resulted from the intervention of the linesman. It is most disappointing that this should happen at this level.
Perhaps, what I have just detailed my have something to do with the melee which developed in front of the dugouts at the final whistle when mentors, players and subs became involved in an ugly scene. It is uncertain what ignited this confrontation. It was totally pointless. The game had been decisively won. When everyone piles in it is impossible to point a finger but Cork's number fourteen, who had earlier been replaced , seemed very eager to make the impression he had failed to do when the game is in progress. Perhaps, somebody should tell him that between the white lines when the game is in progress is the time to create your reputation. Either way, it is very likely that there will be severe repercussions for both counties, as it should. It is regrettable that a fine contest was overshadowed by this shameful conduct, particularly one involving such young players.
P.S. Could anybody tell me about the background of Devidas Uosis and Franz Sauerland. Not run of the mill Kerry names!
P.P.S. I would imagine that Cork supporters will be lamenting the fact that a nephew of one of their finest, John Cleary, is an upcoming Kerry star. By way of consolation I give them this. A young man by the name of Daniel O'Mahony from Knockngree came on as a sub in last week's minor match. I am told that he is a nephew of Aiden O'Mahony. Something will have to be done about Kerry blood lines leaking across the border!
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Post by Jo90 on May 17, 2017 10:33:31 GMT
Thanks Veteran for an excellent and thorough match report, especially appreciated with most of the media giving the game scant attention.
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Post by onlykerry on May 17, 2017 10:54:53 GMT
Yes Fergal Barry is a brother of Jack and Andrew (not Adam) Barry and they are examples of the leakage in reverse as their parents are Cork natives to the best of my knowledge - the boys are Kerry through and through however.
Was in Gallerus a few years back at an underage game and I was facinated by the names and appearance of several of the Gaeltacht players who were definitely not third generation locals - it was wonderful to hear them talking Irish on the field of play with their team mates and there was no shortage of skill on display by them either.
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Post by fivenarow on May 17, 2017 11:04:23 GMT
Excellent report as always veteran. Daire Cleary was excellent when he came on & must surely start the next day.
I just spoke to a parent one of the players & he told me that some of the antics on the pitch by the cork players towards the kerry lads was disgusting. I won't post what he said on here but let's say they brought it to another level lower than the gutter. I hope it was videoed & the ccc take the appropriate action, I know if it was my call that would be number 14s last appearance in a cork jersey.
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Post by Jo90 on May 17, 2017 11:49:41 GMT
Congratulations to our Kerry Under17s for defeating Cork this evening in Tralee. Kerry's stranglehold of Munster underage football is complete for this season having beaten Cork at under 17,18 and 21 level - some going! Come on the Kingdom! At the moment Kerry are reigning Munster champions in 14 competitions: Senior, Junior, u21, Minor, u17, u16, u15, u14, Senior Club, Intermediate Club, Junior Club, Novice Club, Senior Colleges, u16.5 Colleges We'll be permanently reigning champions at minor (if we beat Clare) and u21! Going by some of last year's underage results, the future is bright: u16: Kerry North 3-15 Cork ‘White’ 1-07 u15: Kerry South 6-10 Cork East 0-01 u14: Kerry South 1-09 Cork West 0-03 Kerry South 6-06 Cork East 3-03 One of the Cork-Kerry u16 games last year was quite dirty so there was obviously some 'previous' for this year. I see Deividas Uosis was a notable forward last year at u16.
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