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Post by kerrygold on Feb 13, 2017 9:00:33 GMT
Good first half from Kerry, should have been out the gap at half time. The game was always running away from Kerry in the second half considering that more of the Mayo players had played the game at a higher octane level in the recent past than their Kerry counterparts and also with the lack of a real scoring threat in the Kerry forwards as the game evolved.
You need a serviced functioning fullforward line to close out games. We got a glimpse of Kerry on Saturday night without PG and J O'D. Both have been sitting in the stand for the closing stages of our last two big games against Dublin. That won't work when we're trying to the beat the Dubs later in the year.
The kickout continues to be a major concern and doesn't seem to be significantly improving to any major degree! Strange that Mickey Sheehy and Maurice Fitz can't introduce a proper kicking motion and mechanics into David Moran's long range free taking? As with the kickout, long range free taking will have to be addressed by the camp as summer football approaches.
Plenty of positives after the first two games and plenty of natural football talent waiting in the wings. It would be interesting to see a half forward line of Barry O'Sullivan, Jack Barry and Donacha Walsh at some point.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 13, 2017 9:11:22 GMT
A common theme on here now seems to be over-reactions to wins and equally over-reactions to defeat. Careful or we will end up like Mayo supporters! I'd be a little concerned over a few things I saw yesterday - both in relation to the Crokes game, admittedly I only saw on TV and what I saw in Tralee last night. In the Crokes game I was disappointed with Shane Murphys kickouts. Kickouts are Kealy and Kellys weak points. Against decent opposition yesterday, I thought Murphy struggled in this aspect of the game. My main gripe with Kerry yesterday - and it was evident in Donegal also - is the inability to score goals when the opportunity arises. In Donegal I felt the option of taking a point when the goal was on was taken too many times. Killer instinct lacking a bit. Last night there were at least 4 goal opportunities squandered in the first half. Granted the most natural goal finishers on the panel - Gooch, James O, Geaney and Darran - were missing. Mark Griffin's struggles with Andy Moran are well documented here and it was surprising that somebody else wasnt tried on him. I know he played in Donegal last Sunday and Sigerson on Wednesday but I'm sure marking Andy Moran would have been an excellent learning curve for Jason Foley. Spotted the goal keeping thing from the club game also.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 13, 2017 9:24:16 GMT
Now JOD should be discarded as well? Some right comedians on here today. What has he done since 2014? Surely you are at the wind-up, surely?
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Post by kot on Feb 13, 2017 9:27:59 GMT
League & championship going right back to the first Cork game in 2015 has been our tendancy to have a strong end to a first half and build up a good position but then to retreat and wilt. Sometimes we have got away with it (that Cork game and the Tyrone semi spring to mind) but better teams have made us pay. Namely Dublin but Mayo last night again showed we can just take the foot of the gas and turn it on again.
Yes yes, injuries considered also. But are we not meant to be much further along than Mayo in terms of sharpness & training?
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 13, 2017 10:01:21 GMT
The way the mood swings on this forum is bordering on hilarious - euphoria after a R1 league win over Donegal and pathetic doom and gloom after our near traditional league defeat to Mayo. Yes there were many deficiencies on Saturday night and plenty of players were assessed by management - many old failings and some promising performances. Of course management could have made some changes but maybe they were looking for something else and giving players pitch time to see what they have to offer. Kerry will as always be judged on Championship performance and all league games pale into insignificance when it comes to Championship. It would be great to win every game but we do not have the depth of playing numbers/talent of a Dublin and the demands are many, particularly when we are looking so hard at young players - Sigerson & u21 being but two obvious ones. Still encouraged that we are building a panel and guys are being looked at - have my own personal favourites and scratching my head at others being looked at. Simply reassure myself that the management team who are seeing these guys a lot more and closer than I are best placed to evaluate - some past favourites of mine never made it and some guys I thought useless have gone on to stellar careers in the green and gold. Lets enjoy watching and hoping - Mayo have beaten us frequently in the league in recent times but they would give up those victories many times over for one AI title.......
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 13, 2017 10:45:55 GMT
And I thought Paidi was wrong when he said it.
Saturday’s result was disappointing and I thought there were a few constructive comments that could be made but the tsunami of negativity that has hit this forum makes any reasonable comment futile.
Thank God for misteallaigh abú and givehimaball and a few others who bring a bit of common sense to the whole thing.
Kilkenny were beaten at home yesterday. Dublin scraped a draw at home on Saturday night. They had 3 points at half time and their first forward to score from play was Ciaran Kilkenny in the 63rd minute.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 13, 2017 12:56:19 GMT
Everything just seemed so laboured in the second half. The likes of Moran, Crowley, Walsh should really have shown a bit of leadership but they didn't and that was the most disappointing aspect for me. I don't understand some of the over-the-top criticism on here of certain players.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 13, 2017 13:46:37 GMT
We introduced Barry O'Sullivan late in the game, a midfielder all his young life for club, county and UCD and we played him at centre forward- its no wonder guys are confused.I have great faith in all our players to play to their max and give their all- I think its time now for management to step up to the plate, make the hard decisions and carry out the role they were appointed to do. Barry was ready to come on just before Lyne got the black card. I imagine he was to replace Jack Barry who had run out of steam at that stage. Lyne's black card obviously changed things - Paul Murphy went wing back in place of Lyne and Barry Sullivan went on the 40 then.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 13, 2017 14:28:31 GMT
Frustrating to watch (the second half particularly) on Saturday night. We'd battle to get so far up the field and then run out of steam or confidence to take it any further. I was not one of those jumping up and down over last week's beating of Donegal and the loss to Mayo while disappointing hasn't shaken me either. We will have a very different team come championship time and I expect them to be there or thereabouts again this year. One thing I don't understand is the idea that we are far superior to Mayo at present, in my opinion we are on pretty much the same level, neither of us could finish Dublin off when it counted last year.
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Post by animal on Feb 13, 2017 14:41:07 GMT
Some of the comments here regarding Andy Moran come across as bitter as well as being disrespectful. Andy Moran is and has been a fine inter county player for Mayo for a long time. His performances against Dublin in both finals and against Tyrone last year alone attest to that. I find that there is somewhat of an over reaction to the result, also. We had ample chances in the first half and didn't take them, it would have ended the game as a contest, however, that's neither here nor there. The loss of Jameso, Paul Geaney, Killian Young et al left us with far too many young and inexperienced players up against one of the most experienced and powerful teams over the last 6 years. Mayo finished the game with close to their championship team, we were miles off that. They bossed us and imposed themselves on us for the last 45 minutes of the game. That said, Kerry did a lot of things right, some of the football we played in the opening 30 minutes was fantastic. Jack Barry will, in time, be a huge asset to the team and a lot of lads will have learned a huge amount against such a decent team. Mayo will have to try and win an All Ireland with the panel they had last night plus Keegan and Aidan O Shea. I think that, come August and if both teams meet in a semi final, we will have a greater amount of resources at our disposal. We lost the foothold in midfield and that was the end of it really, Kerry never looked as if they would win the game once Mayo reeled off those scores in the 2nd half. Whilst it's always disappointing to lose a game we were in a position to win, there's a lot to be taken from games like these. Well done to Mayo, they're a fine team and they played with power and plenty of will in the second half to overturn a decent lead. As for ourselves, it's early February, we are blooding new talent in the best way possible, hard lessons in hard games. Roll on the next game v Monaghan. Amidst a lot of guff written here in reaction to the defeat on Saturday this post is a beacon of reason and sense.
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Post by mayo4sam on Feb 13, 2017 15:07:42 GMT
I thought Kerry should have had us dead and buried by half time, if you had taken your goals, you would have been 10 points up at half time, a tall order to come back from. However, with some tweeking and an increase in intensity around the midfield area, Mayo turned the tables and use it as a platform of attack and pushed on and won the game. Its only February, no need for panic stations yet. mistealligh abú, we have 5-6 players to come back into this squad who could feature in the starting 15, so final 15 championship team isnt accurate. Must say we had a great night in Killarney, lovely people and we will be back. Hopefully we will meet later on in the championship.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 13, 2017 17:27:56 GMT
Took the girlfriend to the game hoping it would be a Kerry win. To start with the positives I think it is clear Jack Savage and Jack Barry are serious Kerry players. We wanted to see Spillane play and he did. Did very well as well in my opinion and should have, could have, finished with 1-02. Conor Keane hasn't seen much time with Kerry prior to this and it is ridiculous think he'd be as good as James O'Donoghue straight away. I would argue that it would have been better to start Barry John or Conor Geaney instead of Conor in such an important game. Mayo had selected a rather different team and made two big changes in chosing Moran and O'Shea in the full forward line. They came to Tralee knowing they had to win. Knowing how inexperienced this team was they chose experience and knowing how light and young the team were they chose bulk and power. Nevertheless, Kerry would heave beaten them with Young, Geaney and O'Donoghue there. All three are huge losses and hopefully we can have them big for the next game. In the first half we had lots of movement up front and we tore Mayo apart. At the back too we kept Mayo out and kept Cillian O'Connor scoreless. It wasn't until the second half that Mayo started going and whatever tactical changes were made during halftime the Kerry management did not adapt. Right until the end when Mayo levelled we were clueless and no change was made. BJ Keane destroyed Mayo in the first half, but in the second Mayo made sure no ball would be given to the full forward line at all. Looking at the video of the game the Kerry full forward line hardly saw the ball at all in the second half as Mayo won every ball in midfield. A lot has been said about Brendan O'Sullivan and I can't understand why he wasn't brought in to steady midfield. Moran won almost every ball together with Jack Barry in the first half, but in the second half Mayo crowded the middle third and went looking for turnovers. Even when Kerry did win clean ball Mayo just took it off them. Kelly too panicked and went for short kickouts (though it looked like he was instructed to do so by the sideline) putting pressure on the Kerry backs. In the second half the Kerry backs were constantly facing their own goal as they under constant pressure by Mayo. In the first half they contributed to Kerry's scoring and supplied the half forward line with support and ball, but in the second they were left to fend for themselves as they came under pressure. Losing Young was a big loss to the backs and though Tom O'Sullivan did very well he was sent in to keep out a very fit and strong Mayo full forward line. Rather than giving the Kerry backs a chance Mayo sent in some of their bulkiest players to run hard into the Kerry defense. Tomás Ó Sé elluded to the fact that when teams run at Kerry they can do nothing but foul and give away the free, but there was a huge difference in size and fitness between the Kerry backs and the Mayo forwards. With more experience the would have found a way to stop Mayo, but instead they were left to fight alone. It was as if Kerry management were just testing the Kerry backs to see if they were up to the challenge. Mayo were very physical and though it wasn't a dirty game Mr. Hughes decided to issue 11 yellow cards. We kept Cillian O'Connor scoreless from play, but gave away 12 scorable frees, of which he slotted 9 over the bar. Mayo have become a lot more cynical the last few years and obviously don't mind conceding a few yellow cards. Like Kerry they gave away way too many frees and a deserved penalty, and if that had gone in it would have been a very different story. Moran's penalty was straight into Clarke's hands. It was very hard but straight through the middle and if Clarke wouldn't have moved he probably still would have stopped it. In my opinion a forward is usually a better penalty taker as they score goals more often and are probably better at it. Moran's frees too weren't good enough. I think we will need Sheehan back soon or have someone else take the frees. I hope this isn't the case, but the last two games do not instil a lot of confidence in the Kerry management. Kerry did have a lot of goal chances though, but again, like in Donegal, snubbed 3 clear goal chances. The hope is that we are training and developing a system that will lead to goals in the summer went the ground is less hard and fitness levels go up. To end on a positive note: we had the number two team in the country throw everything they had at Kerry and we only lost by two.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 13, 2017 18:25:07 GMT
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 13, 2017 18:53:07 GMT
Any way I can download that file?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 14, 2017 0:22:54 GMT
What was the Kerry penalty awarded for? Didn't see much there resembling a foul.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2017 1:20:29 GMT
What was the Kerry penalty awarded for? Didn't see much there resembling a foul. Pulling the jersey when he was clean through on goal
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Post by mayo4sam on Feb 14, 2017 13:22:25 GMT
Seoirse, it was a soft penalty, there was alot more let go if thats the case.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2017 13:28:34 GMT
I must say- I fall into the "it was soft" category- I didnt see anything in real time anyway
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Post by peanuts on Feb 14, 2017 13:30:05 GMT
I must say- I fall into the "it was soft" category- I didnt see anything in real time anyway It was extremely soft to say the least. He didn't award any advantage either which was poor.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2017 13:30:22 GMT
Seoirse, it was a soft penalty, there was alot more let go if thats the case. It was soft, but also a definite penalty. It was right in front of the referee and everyone could clearly see how Adrian was clean through on goal and pulled back by the jersey. I think it didn't do Kerry any favours as there was way worse later one that he could have given a penalty for, but didn't.
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Post by keane on Feb 14, 2017 13:34:43 GMT
I've watched it several times and still can't see the jersey pull to be honest
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2017 13:41:46 GMT
It was very clear from where we were sitting in the stand and even the Mayo people around us sighed the moment they saw the jersey being pulled. It was soft and there have been plenty of instances where no penalty would be awarded at all, but it was right in front of Mr. Hughes and he couldn't leave it go either.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 14, 2017 15:11:22 GMT
Forum would have been red hot with expletives and theories of ref's having it in for us if that peno had been awarded the other way. Definitely in the soft category. Anyway its water under the bridge and as with all ref calls it wont change no matter how much we toss it about.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 14, 2017 16:42:51 GMT
We are looking like a team that's hasn't had much Backs and forwards lately lacking ball and game practice Tom O Sullivan continues to be a revelation him and Jack savage look so comfortable on the ball . Tom could play wing forward too I'm sure Kudos to Barry John 1 goal and 3 point I'll take that all day long Jack Barry looked good going forward we need more of That that would give the Dublin midfield something to ponder up to now Dublins midfield need only concern themselves with attack no harm to put them on the back foot with incisive runs at pace down the center on occasion . Jack B tired or just zoned out in second half If we scored all we should have in the first half the game would have been no use to us There's bigger games ahead like Tyrone and Dublin we need to me more clinical by then we need to get the belief by winning those two
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Post by southward on Feb 14, 2017 18:45:51 GMT
It was very clear from where we were sitting in the stand and even the Mayo people around us sighed the moment they saw the jersey being pulled. It was soft and there have been plenty of instances where no penalty would be awarded at all, but it was right in front of Mr. Hughes and he couldn't leave it go either. Jersey tug or not, there was no need to blow and it certainly didn't do us any favours. He was away clear with the ball in his hands about 8 yards out. Hughes blew as he was about to pull the trigger which, even though he got the shot in, would have put him off, not that it was going to count anyway. So we get a penalty instead which is, what - 13 metres out? and from the ground at that. So much for the advantage rule.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2017 18:53:21 GMT
It was very clear from where we were sitting in the stand and even the Mayo people around us sighed the moment they saw the jersey being pulled. It was soft and there have been plenty of instances where no penalty would be awarded at all, but it was right in front of Mr. Hughes and he couldn't leave it go either. Jersey tug or not, there was no need to blow and it certainly didn't do us any favours. He was away clear with the ball in his hands about 8 yards out. Hughes blew as he was about to pull the trigger which, even though he got the shot in, would have put him off, not that it was going to count anyway. So we get a penalty instead which is, what - 13 metres out? and from the ground at that. So much for the advantage rule. Absolutely right. Correct would have been to give advantage and go back to it when nothing came of it. But....such a clear jersey pull in front of the referee usually does result in the referee blowing for a penalty. There were other instances where a free should have been given. I felt after a soft penalty Hughes didn't want to be seen as given everything Kerry's way and plenty of frees were not given. Overall I thought that Hughes gave a huge amount of frees and yellow and black cards in a game that wasn't dirty at all. If you'd only look at the stats with 11 yellow cards, 3 black, a red and a penalty you'd think it was a very ill tempered game.
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