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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 7, 2017 22:25:36 GMT
Donnchadh hit the crossbar and Paul Geaney, Savage and O'Donoghue all had goal chances. We had 4 missed goal chances I counted and had any of them gone in it would have ended the game as a conquest. Donnachadh (beside the fisted effort)and Tom Sullivan also had goal chances in the first half - both through one-on-one with the keeper - Donnachadh fisted over and Tom Sullivan took the point. Donnachadh's chance was directly after the first Geaney goal so probably a decent case could be made for taking the safer option. Tom Sullivan also had another bit of a half chance of goal where James O took a quick free but the keeper did well to get off his line in time and narrow the angle. That would make it 6 missed goal chances then? And 2 goals. I think Tom was right to take the point though just like Donnchadh. Sometimes points are more useful. All in all it shows we were on top and could have, probably should have, won by more
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Post by southward on Feb 7, 2017 22:28:05 GMT
Donnchadh hit the crossbar and Paul Geaney, Savage and O'Donoghue all had goal chances. We had 4 missed goal chances I counted and had any of them gone in it would have ended the game as a conquest. Donnachadh (beside the fisted effort)and Tom Sullivan also had goal chances in the first half - both through one-on-one with the keeper - Donnachadh fisted over and Tom Sullivan took the point. Donnachadh's chance was directly after the first Geaney goal so probably a decent case could be made for taking the safer option. Tom Sullivan also had another bit of a half chance of goal where James O took a quick free but the keeper did well to get off his line in time and narrow the angle. Paul Murphy was one-on-one with the keeper in the 2nd half as well, albeit he got the ball with his back to goal. Took the fisted point that time too.
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Post by veteran on Feb 8, 2017 11:48:13 GMT
That was a very satisfactory opening to the NFL. Others have rightly commented on the positive aspects of the game . As the devil's advocate I will point out some negative aspects. My viewing of course was restricted to the TV screen.
That first thing to remember is the Donegal was top heavy with apprentices.
Some of the kicks out by Brian Kelly were nightmarish. Most of the time when he went short the defender was collecting the ball facing the goal with an opponent in close proximity. On at least one occasion he kicked a high ball about thirty metres down the centre where it was contested by two players with the Kerry player facing his own goal and the Donegal player on his back. Only exceptional fielding by the Kerry player averted disaster. Daft.It appears there is no apparent improvement as regards short kicks out. Not for the first time Brian fisted a ball ,which he could have fielded easily, and the fisted ball went about ten yards to a Donegal player.
Even allowing for all the substitutions the fade out at the end is a cause for worry in that it is not the first time that a seemingly unassailable lead was whittled away. It appears that when a team gets a run on us we are incapable of getting our hands on the ball to give us a respite. It is at times like that that you are wishing for a dog like Darragh O'Se or KD . Is there a dog on this current team?
Tom O'Sullivan looked to be playing in his own back yard in the first half so dominant was he. Was he the spare man at the back because more often than not nobody appeared to be near him. He did go forward very confidently in that half. He was less prominent in the second half. Did he defend well when the pressure came on? Perhaps he did. I could not be sure looking at the TV. The point I am trying to make is that I hope he is not another of these "great going forward" defenders. We should be better informed after the Mayo match.
David Moran appeared to have a colossal game. I think the heavy sod suits David. He will need to smarten up when delivering those cross field passes. He had a few misadventures on Sunday and I have seen him do the same on other occasions.
Michael Geaney and Brendan O'Sullivan and indeed BJK looked as green as cabbage when they came on. In particular, I would like to see Brendan starting a game. I wonder is this not happening because EF is not as impressed by him as some of us on here are?
I was delighted at how sharp JO'D was. However, and I have raised this point before, why is he being picked in the left corner. He is a primarily a left footed player and surely the right corner should be his usual habitat. It was in that corner he ran amok in 2014. I know he kicked an impossible left footed point from the left corner on Sunday but how often can you expect impossible points. Conversely, Jack Savage should be happier in the left corner.
I expect the Mayo test will be far more enlightening.
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Post by animal on Feb 8, 2017 14:26:20 GMT
That was a very satisfactory opening to the NFL. Others have rightly commented on the positive aspects of the game . As the devil's advocate I will point out some negative aspects. My viewing of course was restricted to the TV screen. That first thing to remember is the Donegal was top heavy with apprentices. Some of the kicks out by Brian Kelly were nightmarish. Most of the time when he went short the defender was collecting the ball facing the goal with an opponent in close proximity. r. I was delighted at how sharp JO'D was. However, and I have raised this point before, why is he being picked in the left corner. He is a primarily a left footed player and surely the right corner should be his usual habitat. It was in that corner he ran amok in 2014. I know he kicked an impossible left footed point from the left corner on Sunday but how often can you expect impossible points. Conversely, Jack Savage should be happier in the left corner. With regard to the kickouts - very often Kelly was not offered much in the way of options by his outfield players. He found his man well on the right wing with a few early 1st half kick outs. Jury perhaps still out for me. As for James being on the left or right? Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to recall him scoring a lot of goals for Kerry coming down the left hand side.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 8, 2017 15:03:30 GMT
That was a very satisfactory opening to the NFL. Others have rightly commented on the positive aspects of the game . As the devil's advocate I will point out some negative aspects. My viewing of course was restricted to the TV screen. That first thing to remember is the Donegal was top heavy with apprentices. Some of the kicks out by Brian Kelly were nightmarish. Most of the time when he went short the defender was collecting the ball facing the goal with an opponent in close proximity. r. I was delighted at how sharp JO'D was. However, and I have raised this point before, why is he being picked in the left corner. He is a primarily a left footed player and surely the right corner should be his usual habitat. It was in that corner he ran amok in 2014. I know he kicked an impossible left footed point from the left corner on Sunday but how often can you expect impossible points. Conversely, Jack Savage should be happier in the left corner. With regard to the kickouts - very often Kelly was not offered much in the way of options by his outfield players. He found his man well on the right wing with a few early 1st half kick outs. Jury perhaps still out for me. As for James being on the left or right? Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to recall him scoring a lot of goals for Kerry coming down the left hand side. I'd agree with Animal having been there but goalies still find their men and Donegal on Sunday wouldn't have been marking as tight as say we did in the AI final in '14 that forced Durcan's error for Donaghy's goal. As regards JO'D, yes he scores a lot from Left side. He said in an interview that he practices fielding with his eyes closed, trying to sense the ball? -that came back to me as he fetched a few high ones on Sun - Donegal were unanimous in dead heating MOTM between James and Moran.
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Post by donegalman on Feb 8, 2017 17:59:44 GMT
I have kept my head down since last year's game in Tralee, I was so disgusted in the affair I lost my GAA mojo for most of the year after it. Having said that, I went to Letterkenny on Sunday, partially out of curiosity and partially out of the very good weather we had that morning. I wasnt disappointed despite the result. I will skip the obvious things that have been well covered here.
The first thing I want to say is I hope Enright is ok and is making a good and speedy recovery. We were worried about how long it was taking them to get him off the pitch, (why I dont know). There were plenty of kerry supporters at the game, unusually so. I am guessing that the kerry team flew into carrickfinn from killarney so they would have had a 40 minute bus journey to or from the airport. Conditions were almost perfect for football, despite the grass being a bit long and the ball a bit slippy in the first half particularly.
It was a very open game. So much so, it was almost like a challenge game in ways. I think this was more down to either or both teams with an eye on the next fixture once the result was in the bag. The history from last year was non existent.
Kerry kick outs were perfect for most. Next weekend will galvanize how good they are as our mid field must be one of the worst in the country never mind the top 2 divisions. Similarly, it will be interesting to see your forwards and new lads, how they work the ball against a seasoned and top drawer team like Mayo. I would have an instinct they will do a similar job, as we could have been 15 points down at full time instead of 3 had things panned out a little differently. McGlynn was totally skinned, so badly that he had to come off after 20 minutes. This is the first time I have ever seen this. McGee was absent also due to last minute fitness I think, so our defense was pretty much wide open.
I think it could be a new dawn for our footballers in terms of how we are going to play. The notion that a team can win a game by scoring 11 points and hoping that they don't score more than 8 will not work any more. Kick outs and free taking accuracy have neutered the regrouping of defenses. You will see screen defending, but not for more than 3 minutes at a time. I believe that the game now will be won and lost in the middle, not the final 3rd of the pitch.
Instinct would also tell me that Kerry are not going to be stopped easily, by any team including the Dubs. Yes, Dublin are the team to beat and on a good day, an almost perfect unit. But if there is a threat of a counter attack and an immediate score, it will be interesting to see how committed they will be attacking and whether they would prefer to get over the line using percentages rather than flare. The converse could be argued too, but I think that the tables and the landscape is changing now. Far too early to be making predictions, but it is interesting to consider the summer and how it might look.
I think that the league encounters involving Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone will be a good barometer for the rest of the year.
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Post by southward on Feb 8, 2017 19:47:15 GMT
In fairness to McGlynn, he probably wasn't fit. Don't think he was down to start and only came in at the last minute for McGee.
Some amount of smoke billowing out of that chip wagon down near the end line.
Enright is ok, I think, just concussion. Fair play for your concern, donegalman.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 8, 2017 20:12:20 GMT
Good to see you back Donegalman. I thought Kelly was good too on the knockouts by and large. Also, I hope mayo bring their A game to tralee from a defensive point of view. We will know more if that happens. Donegal lost midfield pretty conclusively and when that happens the goose is cooked.
I think that big Brendan osullivan will have a big say later on in the year if he stays fit. Dublin had to resort to using MD MA as a battering ram to set up three points in the second half of the replay last year v mayo. A bit like rugby, it's about creating mismatches and Brendan can cause havoc against certain defenders if fed the right ball off the shoulder at speed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 8, 2017 21:55:12 GMT
Good to see you back Donegalman. I thought Kelly was good too on the knockouts by and large. Also, I hope mayo bring their A game to tralee from a defensive point of view. We will know more if that happens. Donegal lost midfield pretty conclusively and when that happens the goose is cooked. I think that big Brendan osullivan will have a big say later on in the year if he stays fit. Dublin had to resort to using MD MA as a battering ram to set up three points in the second half of the replay last year v mayo. A bit like rugby, it's about creating mismatches and Brendan can cause havoc against certain defenders if fed the right ball off the shoulder at speed. What are you basing this Brendan O Sull opinion on? Just give me a few examples of when he has done any of the above at a decent level and I'll be happy
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 8, 2017 22:06:35 GMT
Where did I say that it has happened. I am suggesting how he can be used most effectively.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 8, 2017 22:12:51 GMT
So by the logic- any big lump of a man would be able to do the above as there's certainly no evidence of BOS doing it, as of yet.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 8, 2017 22:16:43 GMT
So by the logic- any big lump of a man would be able to do the above as there's certainly no evidence of BOS doing it, as of yet. I don't agree with your logic. Where are you getting that logic from. Do you not think power and speed and the ability to hold possession while running at speed are important in the type of play that I outlined
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 8, 2017 22:35:03 GMT
I fully agree but I've never seen BOS do it- he doesn't hold possession nor does he use the ball. I've seen him play several times and I genuinely am struggling to think where he has done the above-teams just let him go on a ploughing run to nowhere and then hold him up and strip the ball- you can set your watch to it at this stage.
He seems to be flavour of the month on here for some people as we are crying out for powerful runners but the lad is, on the evidence so far, not the answer as his footballing skills and awareness are not up to it.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 8, 2017 23:01:29 GMT
Plenty of what i am talking about on display in this clip.
I would like to see EF develop attacking plays to harness his power and attacking ability.
If Dublin can do so to allow MDMA create havoc with direct running after taking the pop pass, why cant Kerry.
But ...i dont think Kerry would pick MDMA anyway. Not enough football.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 8, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
One run against a poor cork team in which he didn't have to kick the ball? Ah Mick come on! I agree with you on Michael Darragh not being a great footballer but jeez he's done a lot more in the game, thus far, than Brendan o sull.
I don't have anything personal against the lad and he seems to try his heart out but if he's the answer then we are asking the wrong questions.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 8, 2017 23:17:30 GMT
I will say no more on the matter
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 8, 2017 23:20:25 GMT
I will say no more on the matter I genuinely hope you end up being right on this!
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Post by donegalman on Feb 9, 2017 0:06:15 GMT
Yes the chip wagon was in serious trouble whatever happened there. I didnt chance a burger out of the back of it. I didnt hear any post match interview. I am assuming that the Kerry management were happy. I am wondering if they have done much training over the past few months? They seemed to be very fit, I dont remember Kerry ever looking sharp on day one of the league.
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Post by hugh20 on Feb 10, 2017 13:04:04 GMT
I fully agree but I've never seen BOS do it- he doesn't hold possession nor does he use the ball. I've seen him play several times and I genuinely am struggling to think where he has done the above-teams just let him go on a ploughing run to nowhere and then hold him up and strip the ball- you can set your watch to it at this stage. He seems to be flavour of the month on here for some people as we are crying out for powerful runners but the lad is, on the evidence so far, not the answer as his footballing skills and awareness are not up to it. I would have to agree with you, I have seen him a good 9 or 10 times which is enough times to pass judgement. Good player, but is he what we should be looking for? I don't think so. I believe we have far more natural footballers with similar physique. Adrian Spillane to me looks a far better player. As Kerrybhoy said, I also hope I am wrong.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 10, 2017 13:34:47 GMT
I fully agree but I've never seen BOS do it- he doesn't hold possession nor does he use the ball. I've seen him play several times and I genuinely am struggling to think where he has done the above-teams just let him go on a ploughing run to nowhere and then hold him up and strip the ball- you can set your watch to it at this stage. He seems to be flavour of the month on here for some people as we are crying out for powerful runners but the lad is, on the evidence so far, not the answer as his footballing skills and awareness are not up to it. I would have to agree with you, I have seen him a good 9 or 10 times which is enough times to pass judgement. Good player, but is he what we should be looking for? I don't think so. I believe we have far more natural footballers with similar physique. Adrian Spillane to me looks a far better player. As Kerrybhoy said, I also hope I am wrong. I agree that Spillane is better
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