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Post by kerrygold on Jan 24, 2017 12:08:07 GMT
Looking forward to seeing how the Kerry team evolves over the year and what young players will step up to the plate.
The first team sheet will be interesting next week. A few of the young players will most likely be included. Kerry don't seem to have any work done on the kick out to date and are still rotating two keepers. It will be interesting to see who will end up between the sticks for the championship and if Murphy or Ryan will claim the number 1 jersey.
Makes for an interesting u21 championship and NFL campaigns.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jan 24, 2017 12:58:21 GMT
This is what i'd like to see first day out,Mixture of youth,experience and a bit of steel
Brendan Kealy
Jason Foley Mark Griffin Shane Enright Tom O Sullivan Peter Crowley Tadgh Morley
David Moran Brendan O Sullivan
Mikey Geaney Paul Murphy Donnacha Walsh Jack Savage Paul Geaney James O Donoghue
Subs Brian Kelly
Brian O Beagloaich Jonathan Lyne Killian Young Gavin Crowley Anthony Maher Barry O Suilleabhain Bryan Sheehan Conor Keane Barry John Keane Adrian Spillane
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 15:14:25 GMT
(1) Brendan Kealy
(2) Brian O Beagloaich (3) Jason Foley (4) Shane Enright
(5) Paul Murphy (6) Mark Griffin (7) Peter Crowley
(8) Brendan O Sullivan (9) Barry O'Sullivan
(10) Brian Ó Seanacháin (11) James O’Donoghue (12) Adrian Spillane
(13) Conor Geaney (14) David Moran (15) Paul Geaney
(16) Brian Kelly (17) Killian Young (18) Barry John Keane
(19) Anthony Maher (20) Conor Keane (21) Tadhg Morley
(22) Jack Savage (23) Tom O'Sullivan (24) Jack Barry (25) Denis Daly (26) Jonathan Lyne
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Post by Premier on Jan 24, 2017 16:22:27 GMT
(1) Brendan Kealy (2) Brian O Beagloaich (3) Jason Foley (4) Shane Enright (5) Paul Murphy (6) Mark Griffin (7) Peter Crowley (8) Brendan O Sullivan (9) Barry O'Sullivan (10) Brian Ó Seanacháin (11) James O’Donoghue (12) Adrian Spillane (13) Conor Geaney (14) David Moran (15) Paul Geaney (16) Brian Kelly (17) Killian Young (18) Barry John Keane (19) Anthony Maher (20) Conor Keane (21) Tadhg Morley (22) Jack Savage (23) Tom O'Sullivan (24) Jack Barry (25) Denis Daly (26) Jonathan Lyne Nacrocaigh you seem very eager to ship the older guys out. Reality is, Fitzmaurice isn't going to travel to Donegal with too many debutants, 2 max I'd say. The older lads have earned their crust and should be respected a bit more I think, there seems to be the feeling here if you hit 30 you're automatically on the way to retirement
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Post by lár na páirce on Jan 24, 2017 16:48:11 GMT
(1) Brendan Kealy (2) Brian O Beagloaich (3) Jason Foley (4) Shane Enright (5) Paul Murphy (6) Mark Griffin (7) Peter Crowley (8) Brendan O Sullivan (9) Barry O'Sullivan (10) Brian Ó Seanacháin (11) James O’Donoghue (12) Adrian Spillane (13) Conor Geaney (14) David Moran (15) Paul Geaney (16) Brian Kelly (17) Killian Young (18) Barry John Keane (19) Anthony Maher (20) Conor Keane (21) Tadhg Morley (22) Jack Savage (23) Tom O'Sullivan (24) Jack Barry (25) Denis Daly (26) Jonathan Lyne No disrespect but Donegal would destroy that team.Remember what they brought to Tralee last year
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 24, 2017 17:28:57 GMT
It's tough to know just how strong a team Donegal will have for the Kerry game but since their last championship game all the following are not available for selection.
Christy Toye - retired Rory Kavanagh - retired David Walsh - retired Eamon McGee - retired Colm McFadden - retired Odhran MacNiallais - year out - going to the States Leo McLoone - fall out with Gallagher Anthony Thompson - taking some time out, may return later in the year
The thing is that their squad will undoubtedly be a lot less experienced this year but I can definitely see a reaction from the remaining players and the guys looking to push on to become panel members, especially on their first day out. It's most likely the lack of squad depth is going to affect them later on in the league than at the start. I think the big change will likely be in terms of the options Donegal have when it comes to their subs bench. Last year their options of the bench were fairly limited - they actually subbed back on a players that was subbed off in 2 different championship games last year. Their younger players are a year older but it's definitely not the ideal way to be pitching in a huge batch of youngsters into the squad all at once.
Roundup of Donegal's games in the McKenna Cup - They played their U21s in all 3 games.
Tyrone and Cavan had fairly strong looking sides out.
They also had a challenge game against Meath at the weekend.
Tough to know how much to read into this challenge game - Meath lost to Louth in the O'Bryne cup on Sunday and it looks from the 2 lineups that the stronger team was selected for the Louth game and the side selected for the Donegal was a more experimental/fringe side.
I do think there is an opportunity to get 2 points on the board here. 2003 was the last time Kerry got a win away in Donegal so it would be a very nice 2 points to get on the board out of the gate.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 24, 2017 17:29:28 GMT
Nacrocaigh you seem very eager to ship the older guys out. Reality is, Fitzmaurice isn't going to travel to Donegal with too many debutants, 2 max I'd say. The older lads have earned their crust and should be respected a bit more I think, there seems to be the feeling here if you hit 30 you're automatically on the way to retirement The fact is that once a player goes over 30 at intercounty level, then how much longer they have left becomes a very real concern. We in Kerry have been a bit of an exception recently in terms of the age profile as regards lads playing a good bit into their 30s. Out of the 45 players used in the McGrath Cup only 3 were over 30 - Killian Young, Brendan Kealy and Donnacha Walsh I know the involvement of the U21s skews things a fair bit but once the 30 barrier is passed, it's a matter of time.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 24, 2017 18:23:15 GMT
Given that a lot of the U-21s will be involved in 3rd level competitions on Weds next, I don't think we will see too many making the trip to Letterkenny- Jack will be trying to keep these guys fresh, not overloading them- probably see more of them tried out in Tralee vs Mayo rather than in Donegal.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 24, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
Killian Young will surely start this game, one of Kerry's better players against Dublin last summer.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 24, 2017 19:44:58 GMT
Tadgh Morley will surely have to start....best defender by a mile last Sunday and also played well against Cork.
A certainty for the league and championship.. Great covering and reading of the game..
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 24, 2017 20:48:36 GMT
Tadgh Morley will surely have to start....best defender by a mile last Sunday and also played well against Cork. A certainty for the league and championship.. Great covering and reading of the game.. Agreed, he has to play in the league and championship this year. Kerry will be looking to Tadgh to cement a place on the team and become a high performer for them.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 24, 2017 22:07:31 GMT
JOD can not play centre forward- doing so should be a sackable offence for Fitzy. He has tried this on several occasions and it doesnt work- he takes too much out of it and we then lack his cutting edge inside- doubly stupid move
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 24, 2017 22:11:34 GMT
Against a properly organised defense (Dublin and Mayo) JOD will struggle in the full forward line.
EF had him as playmaker in the 2014 final in the half line. He didnt score but played a lot of ball and was very effective.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 24, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
Against a properly organised defense (Dublin and Mayo) JOD will struggle in the full forward line. EF had him as playmaker in the 2014 final in the half line. He didnt score but played a lot of ball and was very effective. Ah he wasnt really- he was practically non-existent and he takes way too much out of the ball when he was far from goal. He is an instinct forward who needs to play 25 yards from goal
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 24, 2017 23:03:02 GMT
Unless you can win your own ball you are going nowhere in the full forward line against the top teams ..in my opinion anyway
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 25, 2017 2:25:21 GMT
Wasn't it Donegal u21s v Tyrone?
Although I'd know Donegal I'm none the wiser as to how it will play out and I could offer 10 reasons either way, and that is even before you consider the unpredictability of the first round of the league.
Now hopefully we will break our duck and while I wouldn't be backing against us, Donegal are now a permanent top flight team that can no longer be taken at face value and there is no shortage of belief and expectation. Participating is not good enough anymore and they are now firmly in the same zone as other good teams, focused on the recruiting/retiring pipeline, etc.
AN interesting aspect is Murphy's player/leader role and whatever else -a manager in the making, in the waiting?
Now I am not overly familiar with the landscape of other counties but the level of soccer here has to be seen to be believed. I'd be surprised if too many other counties compare, well maybe big cities but I doubt if any other rural county would have near the soccer pedigree. Glasgow Celtic was actually set up by a West Donegal priest as a social club for emigrants.
There are many parishes without a GAA club and while soccer has more players overall, there is minimal other competition as of yet.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 27, 2017 20:16:58 GMT
Donegal indeed played their U21s in the McKenna cup. Gallagher is not very popular from what I hear and Donegal people want results. They don't want to do well in the Mckenna cup and they don't want to win the league. They want to win Ulster back and go far in the race for Sam. They had quite a few retirements and some of their experienced players have not been doing as well as they wanted to. Gallagher needs to do well or the county will lose interest (again). As Ballythefireside says the main game in Donegal was always soccer. They even have a club playing in the Premier League of Irish soccer, Finn Harps, which is no mean feat for a rural county with a population similar to Kerry's There are a lot of similarities. Donegal has multiple peninsula's making it harder to get from A to B (just like Kerry) and the two counties are similar in size and population. Leterkenny is similar in size to Killarney, but for the rest there are few large towns. Like Kerry it is a rural county. But unlike Kerry there is a sizable protestant population. It used to be around 20% of the population and is now down to 15% or possibly even 10% by now. Areas like Ramelton, East Donegal (near Tyrone and Fermanagh), Milford, Dunfanaghy and Inishowen have larger protestant populations and enough of them to have Orange lodges and orange marches.
Soccer is king in most of Donegal. Even in Gweedore and the Glenties (where Jim McGuinness is from) soccer is the main game. Football has been played a lot on Donegal, but is not the main game. Most football players will play soccer as well, but not all soccer players play football. It might seem as if football is the main game, but if they would have to choose between watching Celtic or Donegal I think most will choose to watch Celtic. Most parishes have soccer clubs, but not all parishes have GAA clubs.
Donegal have had mixed results the last 10 year. After humiliations for years Jim McGuinness took the team to new heights. The system was brought in, the county championship put on hold, lifes put on hold, and Sam was won. In retrospect, reading the reports from players, reading Jim's book, talking to Donegal people and reading the papers it seems like players were asked to do the impossible. Reports of players puking at training and being exhausted after training might not be true for every training session, but from what I know about Jim I don't doubt that fitness was taken to a new extreme. Maybe taking it too far as so many players talk about burn outs and the game no longer being fun. For all Jim's magic he only delivered one All ireland on top of 3 Ulster titles, but they lost to Donegal in 2013 and 2015. Rory Gallagher is now in his third year and has not delivered the Anglo-Celt in his first two years and has seen quite a few of the players that Jim catapulted to stars retire. A lot of the Donegal players are in their 30s and have known the lows of the pre-Jim era and the highs of that era. Michael Murphy is only 28, but it looks and feels like he has been playing for Donegal for eons. A lot of the games are won or lost by Michael Murphy's influence. While they have some excellent players left, they also lost quite a few, and they become more and more reliant on Murphy.
All that said I think Donegal will want to use the league to have another look at the U21s and trying to find a few new players. They simply have to. Same is true for Kerry, but we still have a backbone of experience players and a lot of success at minor, schools, junior and club level. Unlike Kerry the U21s have not done the job for Donegal in the McKenna cup. They were hammered by a Tyrone side that struggled in their first two games and are only in the McKenna cup final by Cavan losing their last game and Tyrone destroying a young Donegal team. It is worrying for Donegal how comprehensively their young players were hammered by Tyrone in that game. It is only January, but you'd expect even the U21s to do much better.
Playing Dublin at home we should be in the mix to at least make the final. Dublin, Monaghan, Tyrone and Mayo being the other contenders. Cavan a dark horse, but I expect them and Roscommon to go down. Donegal are weakened so they are the great unknown. They need to click early on it the league or they will go down instead of Cavan. They need to find a few new players too though to cover the loss of the main stalwarts. This is more important to them than staying in division 1. If it isn't, it should be. Other teams have shown that going to division 2 isn't the end all as long as you can regroup and go straight back up. Donegal will want to be competitive, but with an eye on the Ulster championship will be more bothered about being well prepared for that competition. If Gallagher doesn't do that he will not be the Donegal manager for much longer. Cavan have been building a few years now and this might be their breakthrough year. They have some excellent players and have been winning tough games. I would see them as the dark horse for the Ulster championship. Tyrone too have to do it this year or the real leaders in the team (read Kavanagh) will be gone and that leaves Tyrone a shadow of their former teams. With all due respect to Tyrone, and I don't want to upset the Tyrone posters here, but I can't see them challenging for Sam with this team and with their current tactics. They will no doubt have a good league as their Mckenna cup campaign hasn't been great and they will want to lay down a marker to Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan early on in the year. They need to win something and will be hoping to win Ulster. The qualifiers usually improve teams, but where the Tyrone of old would have loved the challenge of playing week in, week out, improving a bit in every game they play, the new Tyrone don't seem to be as resilient and the team hasn't the same class of player. There is no Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill or Mulligan in the team and bar the two Kavanaghs I don't think they have the same talent anymore. Both Kavanaghs are getting older as well and though Sean seems to be indestructible time catches up with all of us. Mayo and Dublin are at Kerry's level, or slightly ahead of us, and though Mayo and Kerry haven't exactly shone in the league in recent years I expect both us and Mayo to really want to win the league this year. Kerry haven't won any titles for a while now, bar the McGrath cup, and it is important to start winning games again. I would say that winning the league with a few new players would be Eamon's goal and will prepare them for bringing Sam home. Dublin have been struggling in the last two finals and stumbled over the line just because of their sheer class. They don't need the league as we do and I think they will use it to discover some players. They don't have that many old players, but they will want to have a team ready for when this team will start to retire. Their O'Byrne cup teams show they are looking for the next generation and they will most likely want to find a few more young players.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 27, 2017 20:33:07 GMT
Kieran Donaghy is back in training with Kerry
Kieran Donaghy is back in training with the Kerry Senior football team. Kerry Manager, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, speaking at a Kerry GAA pre Allianz League Press Briefing this evening, confirmed that the Austin Stacks player is back training one night per week and may even see action before the end of the League.
Meanwhile, Donaghy's teamate, Colm Cooper, has reiterated that he will not make a call on his future until Dr Crokes involvement in the All Ireland Club Championship has come to an end.
Dr Crokes, as county champions, have the honour of naming the Kerry captain for 2017 and again, they will do so following the club championship. Peter Crowley of Laune Rangers has been named captain in the interim and will lead Kerry in their first outing of the League against Donegal in a weeks time. Both Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher will miss the first two rounds of the League.
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Post by southward on Jan 27, 2017 21:02:09 GMT
Kieran Donaghy is back in training with Kerry Kieran Donaghy is back in training with the Kerry Senior football team. Kerry Manager, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, speaking at a Kerry GAA pre Allianz League Press Briefing this evening, confirmed that the Austin Stacks player is back training one night per week and may even see action before the end of the League. Meanwhile, Donaghy's teamate, Colm Cooper, has reiterated that he will not make a call on his future until Dr Crokes involvement in the All Ireland Club Championship has come to an end. Dr Crokes, as county champions, have the honour of naming the Kerry captain for 2017 and again, they will do so following the club championship. Peter Crowley of Laune Rangers has been named captain in the interim and will lead Kerry in their first outing of the League against Donegal in a weeks time. Both Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher will miss the first two rounds of the League. Don't understand Gooch's thinking here. Either he has the appetite for another year or he doesn't. Club championship is only 2 more games so how is it a significant factor? It doesn't augur well to be honest.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 27, 2017 21:30:41 GMT
I think it might mean: if Kerry do well without me and don't seem to have a need for my services, I will not come back. As a good clubman obviously Gooch will want to lead Crokes to a club championship title. He was there in 2009, but he wasn't captain at that time was he? He has won more with kerry than most players ever will, but he hasn't won Sam as captain yet. I suppose that after St. Patrick's day we will know how well we are doing the league and Colm will know how well he is coping with the demands that being an intercounty player puts on him. I suppose that if he doesn't win a club championship as captain that he will be motivated to get one with Kerry with him as captain. I think it also depends a lot on the support he is getting from the club and other players in the Kerry set up. He is good friends with the older players, but wouldn't have the same bond with the younger players of course. If it looks by March that he will sit on the bench with Kerry a lot, I doubt he'll be back. The decision is up to him really. I'd love to see him back, but if Geaney, O'Donoghue and others (Darran maybe or Stephen) do very well in the league there won't be a big need to come back. Knowing Gooch he would not want to overstay his welcome and would like to give younger players a chance. No Sheehan and Maher will be tough, but it gives others an opportunity to shine.
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Post by fitz on Jan 28, 2017 0:33:08 GMT
Think its exactly as Colm says. He's obsessed with this All Ireland club title bid, the one that has to date got away. Likely, taking all his focus.
Tbh I'd say he's a cert to play this year bar injury. Last year's semi will be stinging still, the ball into Cluxton's hands etc. A couple of good young lads coming through. Too hard to resist. With Donaghy on board as well...
I thought he might do two more years but reckon only winning Sam will make him try for 2018.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jan 28, 2017 9:05:21 GMT
Can't wait to get the 2017 show on the road. A shortish trip for me but tempered by the fact that I have yet to see Kerry win in Donegal. The last time we played in Letterkenny, I remember we were well ahead at the end of the first half but blew it in the second. KD got sent off for some reason and as he went back to the dressing room he gave the door an almighty kick (must remember to check if the dent is still there). Some good signs with the McGrath cup performances that this year for a change we are hitting the ground running but Donegal will be smarting from "the blows of Tralee" and looking for payback even though they will have no great interest in winning the League. Makes for an intriguing prospect. Bring it on!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2017 15:56:21 GMT
I wonder how much the defeat in Tralee hurts these players given that plenty of them won't play. I assume Donegal will call the big guys back for the league and the McGees will be looking for redemption. For the rest I think too many are missing for Donegal. Then again we'd be missing a few lads as well so it might be too fairly new teams facing each other. Letterkenny is hard to go and get a win, but it isn't really the fortress it once was anymore. Would Kerry mind too much if we don't win up there, but win most of our home matches?
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 28, 2017 16:18:42 GMT
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Post by gaacrazy on Jan 29, 2017 16:28:23 GMT
What team are we likely to see against Donegal?
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Post by seaniebo on Jan 30, 2017 1:15:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 1:55:48 GMT
Not the team I would pick but I think Fitzmaurice will go with
1 Brian Kelly 2 Shane Enright 3 Mark Griffin 4 Killian Young 5 Tom O'Sullivan 6 Peter Crowley 7 Tadhg Morley 8 David Moran 9 Jack Barry 10 Donnacha Walsh 11 Paul Murphy 12 Mikey Geaney 13 Barry John Keane 14 Paul Geaney 15 James O'Donoghue
16 Brendan Kealy 17 Brendan O'Sullivan 18 Johnathan Lyne 19 Briain O'Beaglaoich 20 Jack Savage 21 Jason Foley 22 Conor Geaney 23 Barry O'Sullivan 24 Adrian Spillane 25 Conor Keane 26 Brian O'Seanachain
Denis Daly and Gavin Crowley will be close also.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 30, 2017 9:20:46 GMT
Not the team I would pick but I think Fitzmaurice will go with 1 Brian Kelly 2 Shane Enright 3 Mark Griffin 4 Killian Young 5 Tom O'Sullivan 6 Peter Crowley 7 Tadhg Morley 8 David Moran 9 Jack Barry 10 Donnacha Walsh 11 Paul Murphy 12 Mikey Geaney 13 Barry John Keane 14 Paul Geaney 15 James O'Donoghue 16 Brendan Kealy 17 Brendan O'Sullivan 18 Johnathan Lyne 19 Briain O'Beaglaoich 20 Jack Savage 21 Jason Foley 22 Conor Geaney 23 Barry O'Sullivan 24 Adrian Spillane 25 Conor Keane 26 Brian O'Seanachain Denis Daly and Gavin Crowley will be close also. I know thats not the team we would go with but jeez I would despair if thats the forward line that we pick!
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 30, 2017 9:45:00 GMT
Kerry probably need to build from the back out and setup to thrive in the modern game. Plenty of defensive excellence in the u21 set up. We may see a glimpse of the future here first with the u21s in their own championship. You would presume that Eamonn and Jack have a joined up strategy with a view to moulding the next Kerry team. Lack of kickout strategy continues to be a concern.
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Post by mandad on Jan 30, 2017 10:26:33 GMT
My prediction would be as follows:
Kealy Foley. Griffin. Enright. Crowley. Young. O’Sullivan. Moran. Morley. Lyne. Murphy. M. Geaney. Keane. P. Geaney. James O’.
I would like to see someone else take the long range frees, maybe Mikey Geaney. The David Moran option isn't productive enough and it could even be adversely affecting his game.
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