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Post by Mickmack on Oct 19, 2016 18:06:24 GMT
I would think so. What would the counter argument be? Without that Tyrone team, Kerry team of the noughties might have put more championship titles together. Had the 78-81 boys anyone of that calibre to overcome? No one challenger Dublin on the wane. Rossies were good as were Offaly Nothing in Ulster due to the war mainly Cork had a great hurling team
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 22:11:58 GMT
This is being launched tomorrow night. Anyone going along to it?
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Post by kaywhy on Nov 20, 2016 10:10:24 GMT
Saw a few references on Twitter. Some number of legends in the one room!...
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 20, 2016 12:22:04 GMT
I would think so. What would the counter argument be? Without that Tyrone team, Kerry team of the noughties might have put more championship titles together. Had the 78-81 boys anyone of that calibre to overcome? On this and other issues: Kerry 75-87 were only starting to hit their best in 78. They were better in 78 than 77, and would arguably have won the 77 semi-final, on 78 form. From then til 82 they were almost untouchable and would probably only have lost once to Dublin at their best, though that can also be argued another way. But I'm in a generous mood today! Something I've never really thought about before is this: Kerry 80-81, were they as good, better, or a small bit less good than 78-79? Tough victories over Ros & Offaly. In fairness Offaly at least were serious proposition, they had the foundations from 2 All-Is in 71-72. 82 would also support any argument that Kerry were declining a little since 80 anyway, certainly since 81? This then brings us to the inevitable question, how did Kerry 84-86 compare with 80-82? Kerry people always say what great opposition their 2000s team had in Tyrone (and Armagh), more difficult than any other 'top team' has had in any era since the 70s/80s, but let's look at it another possible way - when Tyrone were not reaching All-I finals they were (2009 aside) very mediocre. Yes they had injury problems but all sides do at various stages. It's not that they should have won more All-Is, rather that they weren't really competitive in 06 & 07. So actually how good were they in the other years? Brilliant yes but in the all-time stakes? Look at the sides they lost to in 04, 06 & 07. Kerry 1970s, Dublin 1970s never lost to much weaker teams like that. People can argue all they want about "greater competitiveness, more quality" etc but you could also put it this way: 'levelling off' of standards. How good actually were the teams of the 90s seen as, given that so many teams were competitive in terms of winning All-Is? Yet the 00s top teams, we are told, were greats and better than the 90s or even the 80s, yet that subjective view is because two teams were dominant, just like Dublin & Kerry in the 70s. That argument is somewhat in reply to the poster who said Tyrone 00s were better than Dublin of this era. Let's start with the opposition, relatively. The Donegal team that InchPerfect describes as being as good, if not better than Tyrone of the 00s, at Donegal's best. Not sure where I am on that argument, "wiped the floor with (them) in 2014", what does that even mean? Tyrone 2014 are nothing to do with Tyrone 00s. Are you saying that Donegal 2014 would have wiped the floor with Tyrone in the 00s? That itself wouldn't make sense as Donegal were not at their best in 2014 for starters. But back to the main point, and Dublin's recent oppo - for me Mayo 2012-2016 have clearly been a good bit better than Mayo 2004-2006. But Mayo beat Tyrone fairly well in 2004. Dublin of this era have never come close to losing knockout championship games to the calibre of oppo that Tyrone lost to in 04, 06, & 07. By your own standards (InchP) they lost to a "great" Donegal team, and a seriously strong Mayo team. In fact that Mayo team have achieved more than Roscommon 1978-1982, and arguably more than Offaly 79-83, though that Offaly team had no back door. But Mayo have only used the backdoor once since 2011, during which period they have been in 3 finals and 3 semi-finals, including three narrow defeats in replays. Dublin have also had to contend with a very good Kerry team, who were still arguably a great team in 2011, and who produced a player of the year high-scoring forward in 2013. Dublin have rarely looked as dependent on any sort of 'system', despite the claims of the detractors ( ) as Donegal and Tyrone were. Take the 'intinsity' (as Pat Spillane claimed about Dublin last year and the year before), and one or two key-cogs out of the Tyrone & Donegal systems and they were fairly easily or very easily beaten. Come to think of it, take the intinsity out of Kerry 00s and they very nearly lost to Monaghan (twice), Sligo, and Antrim whilst struggling against some other quite weak teams. So let's be more specific in our hypothetical speculation about the comparison of teams. 2005: Supposedly Tyrone at their very best, yet they drew with what was known as a fairly ordinary Dublin team. They won the replay fairly handy but only after a very harsh penalty was given to them, Dublin's best forward went off injured, and Dublin were missing their full-back with injury. The current Dublin team being at least 25% better than that Dublin team would have had a right good chance Vs Tyrone. 2006, 2007, well even Kerry would have beaten Tyrone ( ). 2008 we're all agreed Tyrone caught Kerry tired, going for a 3-in-a-row, where Tyrone had just had 'two years off'. But they could well have beaten Dublin 2016, given the latter didn't look great except in patches, and were missing two great backs. Dublin 2015 would have beaten that Tyrone I feel, very narrowly.
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Post by glengael on Nov 20, 2016 12:40:03 GMT
I am really looking forward to getting this DVD for Christmas.
The Golden Years men were my 'television' hereos, men I watched on Sunday evenings on RTE or occasionally, if I was lucky from the grassy knolls of Fitzgerald Stadium. Those matches were the bright colours in the black and world of the 1970s and 80's.
This DVD will show matches that I have been lucky enough to attend, days I have been lucky enough to share with many of you.
As Billy Joel put it 'I'm warm from the memories of days to come'.
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Post by dano on Nov 21, 2016 1:51:54 GMT
Lord God Rashers shouldn't you be wintering well inside in kavanaghs or somewhere besides addling us with stuff like that?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 21, 2016 10:11:14 GMT
Won't be available in the Killarney outlet centre until the 1/12/'16.
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Post by Clogher on Nov 21, 2016 17:10:43 GMT
Was at the launch, it was a great evening. Slightly disconcerting to be walking through the room with so many of the players that I regard as heroes, but I have to say they were all so genuine and friendly.
Fitz gave a great speech, the players were presented with a painting each, they were called up in threes to the stage. Marty did the M.C. bit and the "talking"bits were well broken up through dinner.
Grub grand, screens played bits of games including some losses. Most of the 85 medal winners of the era were there. A few words from some of them but overall not too many speeches, I think they got that right.
Then a band and a bit of dancing till the wee hours. Very enjoyable.
Strangely the DVD wasn't being sold there- at least we didn't see it. Would have thought they could have shifted a few hundred no bother.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 21, 2016 17:19:18 GMT
Was at the launch, it was a great evening. Slightly disconcerting to be walking through the room with so many of the players that I regard as heroes, but I have to say they were all so genuine and friendly. Fitz gave a great speech, the players were presented with a painting each, they were called up in threes to the stage. Marty did the M.C. bit and the "talking"bits were well broken up through dinner. Grub grand, screens played bits of games including some losses. Most of the 85 medal winners of the era were there. A few words from some of them but overall not too many speeches, I think they got that right. Then a band and a bit of dancing till the wee hours. Very enjoyable. Strangely the DVD wasn't being sold there- at least we didn't see it. Would have thought they could have shifted a few hundred no bother. Lucky you Clogher - at a €1000 a table I hope you werent paying! I heard Johnny Buckley and Steven O Brien on Radio Kerry Sport yesterday talking about their clubs upcoming Munster Finals. Both said it was a great privilege to be at the event with so many of the players who were heroes to them growing up. The DVD will fly out the door of the shops in Kerry, hopefully it'll be a nice earner.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 21, 2016 18:47:47 GMT
Lord God Rashers shouldn't you be wintering well inside in kavanaghs or somewhere besides addling us with stuff like that? Brogans Ah look I got drawn in by my old favourite past-time, endless historical details, speculations, and comparisons. And I grew up in the 70s/80s. Also I never really had the chance to debate 70s/80s properly with Kerry folk, and it's only now that we can begin to really appraise where this current Dublin teams stands in comparison to past teams.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 21, 2016 19:45:05 GMT
Lord God Rashers shouldn't you be wintering well inside in kavanaghs or somewhere besides addling us with stuff like that? Brogans Ah look I got drawn in by my old favourite past-time, endless historical details, speculations, and comparisons. And I grew up in the 70s/80s. Also I never really had the chance to debate 70s/80s properly with Kerry folk, and it's only now that we can begin to really appraise where this current Dublin teams stands in comparison to past teams. Have Dublin got it good at the moment rashers, Kerry are run the mill currently and there are no real challenger from the north this decade since Donegal burned out post 2012. Maybe Dublin would rather have some real cutting edge competitors this decade to assess their true worth? In the mould of Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry from the 00's? How would the current Dublin team fare against the Dublin teams of 70's and 80's? I'd expect a combined Kerry team since '75 to comfortably deal with a combined Dublin team since '75. Here's my 21, based on versatility, to beat the Dubs since '75, that can play in several positions all over the field, the keepers aside. Charlie Nelligan, Paidi OSe, Seanie Walsh, Marc OSe, Tomas OSe, Johnno Keeffe, Seamus Moynihan, Jacko Shea, Darragh OSe, Declan O'Sullivan, Maurice Fitzgerald, Pat Spillane, Mickey Sheehy, Eoin Liston, John Egan. Subs, Diarmuid Murphy, Paudie Lynch, Ger Power, Ogie Moran, Tom Spillane, Colm Cooper, Manager: Micko Dwyer - based on winding 21 lads up and letting them off! I don't think Dublin would have the same versatility between '75 and '16?
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Post by dano on Nov 21, 2016 23:48:20 GMT
Kerrygold, That team would cause goosebumps if they lined out anywhere, The nostalgic effect of reciting that full forward line out loud , in company or not, is in itself an anecdote for the supposedly unwell Winter that's ahead of us.
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Post by bishop on Nov 22, 2016 9:34:47 GMT
Kerrygold, That team would cause goosebumps if they lined out anywhere, The nostalgic effect of reciting that full forward line out loud , in company or not, is in itself an anecdote for the supposedly unwell Winter that's ahead of us. Superbly put Dano :-)
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 22, 2016 18:21:18 GMT
Was at the launch, it was a great evening. Slightly disconcerting to be walking through the room with so many of the players that I regard as heroes, but I have to say they were all so genuine and friendly. Fitz gave a great speech, the players were presented with a painting each, they were called up in threes to the stage. Marty did the M.C. bit and the "talking"bits were well broken up through dinner. Grub grand, screens played bits of games including some losses. Most of the 85 medal winners of the era were there. A few words from some of them but overall not too many speeches, I think they got that right. Then a band and a bit of dancing till the wee hours. Very enjoyable. Strangely the DVD wasn't being sold there- at least we didn't see it. Would have thought they could have shifted a few hundred no bother. I suppose they might put in a few minutes footage from the launch on the dvd to top and tail it, hence the couple of weeks gap before it's out? I hope it's at least 4 hours if they're going to do justice to the era.
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Post by dod2102 on Nov 23, 2016 18:00:20 GMT
Anyone have a go at just the 97- 2014 team a few certs in there but could argue over 8-10 maybe .. My attempt D.murphy MoSe m.mccarthy Tom Sullivan ToSe S Moynihan Aidan o mahony DoSe Bryan Sheehan P.galvin Declan o sul M.fitz Gooch cinneide MfRussell
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 20:08:34 GMT
Very good team, main changes I would make would be Donaghy for cinneide and Kirby for Sheehan
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 24, 2016 14:00:15 GMT
Brogans Ah look I got drawn in by my old favourite past-time, endless historical details, speculations, and comparisons. And I grew up in the 70s/80s. Also I never really had the chance to debate 70s/80s properly with Kerry folk, and it's only now that we can begin to really appraise where this current Dublin teams stands in comparison to past teams. Have Dublin got it good at the moment rashers, Kerry are run the mill currently and there are no real challenger from the north this decade since Donegal burned out post 2012. Maybe Dublin would rather have some real cutting edge competitors this decade to assess their true worth? In the mould of Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry from the 00's? If Kerry had 'some real cutting edge competitors' after 1977, up til 1984 (let's face it Dublin in clear decline by 78 final) would the true worth of the greatest team of all time be seen differently? If Tyrone didn't disappear in 2004, 2006, and 2007, would Kerry 2004-2011 be seen differently? How would the current Dublin team fare against the Dublin teams of 70's and 80's?How do you think they would fare? I think they would beat the 80s team, for starters. As for the 70s team, the best I can do, of course, is make speculative comparison with lines & individuals in the team: Paddy Cullen - probably a better shot-stopper and generally a little bit calmer/cockier than Cluxton. Forget about it as regards kickouts. If we dip into the 80s for a minute, John O'Leary was also a great shot-stopper, and had some of the more modern kicking elements, and played more of a sweeper role like Cluxton. Where Cluxton would make the 70s team so much better is clearly the ability in the biggest games, and/or periods of games (2011 final, 2013 semi-final 2nd half, and final, 2015 semi-final replay & the final, 2016 semi-final most of the game, especially 2nd half, and the final replay) to facilitate his team to dominate possession, and deal with the highest pressure kicking and marshalling (the kickouts in the last 15 minutes of the replay this year were fantastic.) Anyway I'll return to this job later, first to the priority at hand.......... I'd expect a combined Kerry team since '75 to comfortably deal with a combined Dublin team since '75.
Here's my 21, based on versatility, to beat the Dubs since '75, that can play in several positions all over the field, the keepers aside.
Charlie Nelligan,
Paidi OSe, Seanie Walsh, Marc OSe,
Tomas OSe, Johnno Keeffe, Seamus Moynihan,
Jacko Shea, Darragh OSe,
Declan O'Sullivan, Maurice Fitzgerald, Pat Spillane,
Mickey Sheehy, Eoin Liston, John Egan.
Subs, Diarmuid Murphy, Paudie Lynch, Ger Power, Ogie Moran, Tom Spillane, Colm Cooper,
Manager: Micko Dwyer - based on winding 21 lads up and letting them off!
I don't think Dublin would have the same versatility between '75 and '16?
[/i][/b] I'd be interested to read how you think the two 'notional teams/squads' would match up in more detail, and individually, before I put my neck on the line here! As an opening bid, I'm looking at Dublin since '74. Let's remember, in terms of strength in depth, that squad came out of nowhere, (virtually no success of any note since 1963), and some of the players were well on in years, whereas Kerry had the foundations of the All-I 2-in-a-row team 1969/70 to build on. And then on top of that Kerry brought in a lot of young lads in 75, perhaps doing something like Bill Shankly said he was building at Liverpool in the early 70s, what was it, "an empire to last a 1000 years"? Nonetheless Dublin had some cracking young players in 1983 and I suppose the way in which those didn't go on to have the success that they could have, has in some way coloured everyone's view of the relative trajectory Kerry & Dublin football teams/legacy/reputation have taken since the 70s. The Empire Vs The Revolutionaries? Or after 2011, maybe more like The Empire Vs The Umpires! So at some point in this debate I will confess at this early stage that 'what-ifs' are going to form part of my comparison between the 'teams', especially as some of the players I either didn't see play much personally, or else I've forgotten, so in terms of making comparisons of individual ability/talent, we have to consider important factors such as: where certain players got to play in very successful teams/sqauds Vs players of same/similar ability playing in less successful teams. Given that Kerry have had more (All-I) success than Dublin since 1974, inevitably it can be said they have had more better players, and yet it can also be said that some of the Dublin players/teams had the talent to have won more..... So what I will put out there for now are the goalies and full-backs: 1. John O'Leary, who would have held his own at least against any of the top Kerry keepers and who I feel had a little bit more than any of those fine players in terms of speed and the 'full-back sweeping role' for want of a better term. 2. Philly McMahon(over Holden & ODriscoll due to athleticism & attacking, & M.Fitzsimons barely, Fitz the best pure back) 3. Rory O'Carroll (just about over Sean Doherty, maybe, and not much over Hargan or Christie, both blighted by injury) 4. Can't choose between Kelleher & J. Cooper, didn't see enough of Kelleher & haven't heard others' views on it. Now to pit them against the best there for The Kingdom per your selection: Paidi probably peerless, Philly would have kept the head against him though, what a battle that would have been. Seanie Walsh a true great but I'd have Christie & Hargan at their fully fit best up there near or with him, and ROC might have had the edge over him physically, though maybe not so with low ball (both Hargan & Christie - and Fitzsimons - better with low-ball and tight scrambles than Rory). That leaves Marc O'Sé, widely regarded as an all-time great, Vs Cooper or Kelleher. In terms of how much store you set by 'flexibility', Cooper has that, and has handled well most of the best full-forwards forwards he has faced since 2010/11 in one-to-ones, and since 2013 that has been without any blanket defence or much in the way of sweepers. I think putting anyone up against an O'Sé on this forum is asking for a rotten veg fusillade in the stocks but the question needs to be posed. Now you're going to tell me that's the wrong side anyway, isn't O'Sé a RCB? Cooper is left anyway. May need to start the start again! Now there, I've said it, mar atá. Go dti seo.................
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 24, 2016 16:25:59 GMT
I think Kerry and Mayo have been worthy opponents of Dublin in this decade.
Mayo and Donegal have beaten them... we are itching to.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2016 17:08:33 GMT
Rashers,
For the purpose of the exercise we can only assume that the two notional sets of players (21 x 2) all arrived together at the same notional time at their peak in their mid to late twenties to carry out the comparison.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2016 17:10:33 GMT
I think Kerry and Mayo have been worthy opponents of Dublin in this decade. Mayo and Donegal have beaten them... we are itching to. None of the three have beaten Dublin in an All-Ireland Final like Armagh and Tyrone did against Kerry in the '00s. Winning finals is the ultimate challenge and accolade.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 24, 2016 17:19:32 GMT
Rashers, For the purpose of the exercise we can only assume that the two notional sets of players (21 x 2) all arrived together at the same notional time at their peak in their mid to late twenties to carry out the comparison. 's ea. And that they all had the same opportunity to shine? Kerry's team 78-81, most of whom had lost in 76 & 77 had so little competition that you could argue a couple of the players would have gone down as greats anyway. Which reminds me, since when were Donegal 2011 & 14 not serious opponents? More so than anyone Kerry had in 2004, or 2006, or even 2009 when that Cork team had previously been beaten very easily by Kerry when it really mattered. Marc O'Sé is down as an all-time great but, leaving aside the fact that just about everyone really likes & admires him as a footballer, in the years that his team won All-Is, he didn't have to beat what you seem to refer to as 'real cutting edge' opposition, except Armagh in the 06 Qtr final. Anyway I look forward to your comparisons.............
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 24, 2016 17:34:37 GMT
I think Kerry and Mayo have been worthy opponents of Dublin in this decade. Mayo and Donegal have beaten them... we are itching to. None of the three have beaten Dublin in an All-Ireland Final like Armagh and Tyrone did against Kerry in the '00s. Winning finals is the ultimate challenge and accolade. Sorry but that's far too handily selective. When the best or two of the best 3 teams meet in a semi-final (and occasionally a Qtr final, and pre-qualifiers in a provincial championship) then that certainly counts. I took that into account when appraising Kerry's success in 2004, 06 & 09. In fairness Cork in 09 were improving, had beaten Tyrone, & had beaten Kerry in Munster, still, the final didn't exactly prove that Cork were close to beating Kerry when it really mattered. The mental baggage alone from the defeats in previous major games in Croker in that decade undermined them hugely. Examples of where semi-finals came into play for major tests of ultimately All-I champs were of course 1977, 1974, possibly 1983, 1986, 1991, 92, 1993, 94, 95, 99, 2000, 02, 05, arguably 06 (Qtr final) 11, arguably 12, 13, arguably 14, 15, arguably 16.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2016 21:49:16 GMT
None of the three have beaten Dublin in an All-Ireland Final like Armagh and Tyrone did against Kerry in the '00s. Winning finals is the ultimate challenge and accolade. Sorry but that's far too handily selective. When the best or two of the best 3 teams meet in a semi-final (and occasionally a Qtr final, and pre-qualifiers in a provincial championship) then that certainly counts. I took that into account when appraising Kerry's success in 2004, 06 & 09. In fairness Cork in 09 were improving, had beaten Tyrone, & had beaten Kerry in Munster, still, the final didn't exactly prove that Cork were close to beating Kerry when it really mattered. The mental baggage alone from the defeats in previous major games in Croker in that decade undermined them hugely. Examples of where semi-finals came into play for major tests of ultimately All-I champs were of course 1977, 1974, possibly 1983, 1986, 1991, 92, 1993, 94, 95, 99, 2000, 02, 05, arguably 06 (Qtr final) 11, arguably 12, 13, arguably 14, 15, arguably 16. I think Mayo have conclusively proved several times that All-Ireland semi finals are totally different animals to All-Ireland finals? Brilliant in semi finals and poor in subsequent finals. Cork were an annual double added spice for Kerry post back door, something missing from the current Dublin pie re Meath gone walk-about.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 24, 2016 21:54:14 GMT
Sorry but that's far too handily selective. When the best or two of the best 3 teams meet in a semi-final (and occasionally a Qtr final, and pre-qualifiers in a provincial championship) then that certainly counts. I took that into account when appraising Kerry's success in 2004, 06 & 09. In fairness Cork in 09 were improving, had beaten Tyrone, & had beaten Kerry in Munster, still, the final didn't exactly prove that Cork were close to beating Kerry when it really mattered. The mental baggage alone from the defeats in previous major games in Croker in that decade undermined them hugely. Examples of where semi-finals came into play for major tests of ultimately All-I champs were of course 1977, 1974, possibly 1983, 1986, 1991, 92, 1993, 94, 95, 99, 2000, 02, 05, arguably 06 (Qtr final) 11, arguably 12, 13, arguably 14, 15, arguably 16. I think Mayo have conclusively proved several times that All-Ireland semi finals are totally different animals to All-Ireland finals? Brilliant in semi finals and poor in subsequent finals. Cork were an annual double added spice for Kerry post back door, something missing from the current Dublin pie re Meath gone walk-about. What's Mayo in semis got to do with Kerry-Dublin 77, or 2013 for that matter? Or Kerry-Armagh 2000? Or Dublin-DOnegal 2011? As for Cork in the noughties, how many All-Is did they win, against who, and compared to Meath in 80s/90s? Kerry people have always had the mantra, "the league doesn't matter" but have never admitted that "Munster doesn't matter". By the way, some overall stats of the eras under discussion: Kerry 15 senior All-Is, Dublin 9. Head-to-head in all championship games, 9-6 to Kerry. National Leagues: Kerry 6, Dublin 8, head-to-heads in league finals, Kerry 1, Dublin 3. Anyway enough with the digressions and on with the player comparisons. Can't believe no-one has said anything about my St. Marc O'Sé comments yet
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2016 22:00:08 GMT
Rashers, For the purpose of the exercise we can only assume that the two notional sets of players (21 x 2) all arrived together at the same notional time at their peak in their mid to late twenties to carry out the comparison. 's ea. And that they all had the same opportunity to shine? Kerry's team 78-81, most of whom had lost in 76 & 77 had so little competition that you could argue a couple of the players would have gone down as greats anyway. Which reminds me, since when were Donegal 2011 & 14 not serious opponents? More so than anyone Kerry had in 2004, or 2006, or even 2009 when that Cork team had previously been beaten very easily by Kerry when it really mattered. Marc O'Sé is down as an all-time great but, leaving aside the fact that just about everyone really likes & admires him as a footballer, in the years that his team won All-Is, he didn't have to beat what you seem to refer to as 'real cutting edge' opposition, except Armagh in the 06 Qtr final. Anyway I look forward to your comparisons............. I've selected my notional Kerry team based on versatility to excel in a number of different positions and lines across and along the full length of the field from the time frame mentioned. Four of my subs can come on in both defence and attack for example and excel. Donegal have shown themselves to be a one trick pony over a number of years.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 24, 2016 22:10:56 GMT
Anyone have a go at just the 97- 2014 team a few certs in there but could argue over 8-10 maybe .. My attempt D.murphy MoSe m.mccarthy Tom Sullivan ToSe S Moynihan Aidan o mahony DoSe Bryan Sheehan P.galvin Declan o sul M.fitz Gooch cinneide MfRussell I would replace Sheehan with Moran, O 'Cinnéide with Star and possibly Mike Frank with Jameso- frightening pace in that back line though!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 24, 2016 22:54:06 GMT
's ea. And that they all had the same opportunity to shine? Kerry's team 78-81, most of whom had lost in 76 & 77 had so little competition that you could argue a couple of the players would have gone down as greats anyway. Which reminds me, since when were Donegal 2011 & 14 not serious opponents? More so than anyone Kerry had in 2004, or 2006, or even 2009 when that Cork team had previously been beaten very easily by Kerry when it really mattered. Marc O'Sé is down as an all-time great but, leaving aside the fact that just about everyone really likes & admires him as a footballer, in the years that his team won All-Is, he didn't have to beat what you seem to refer to as 'real cutting edge' opposition, except Armagh in the 06 Qtr final. Anyway I look forward to your comparisons............. I've selected my notional Kerry team based on versatility to excel in a number of different positions and lines across and along the full length of the field from the time frame mentioned. Four of my subs can come on in both defence and attack for example and excel. Donegal have shown themselves to be a one trick pony over a number of years. You've made no comparisons, you've posted no real detail, nothing about any Dublin players, no explanation of anything except the very small bit in this post.....................
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2016 22:58:38 GMT
I've selected my notional Kerry team based on versatility to excel in a number of different positions and lines across and along the full length of the field from the time frame mentioned. Four of my subs can come on in both defence and attack for example and excel. Donegal have shown themselves to be a one trick pony over a number of years. You've made no comparisons, you've posted no real detail, nothing about any Dublin players, no explanation of anything except the very small bit in this post..................... Comparisons and detail on what? Not sure what your looking for?
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Post by thebluepanther on Nov 24, 2016 23:33:03 GMT
You've made no comparisons, you've posted no real detail, nothing about any Dublin players, no explanation of anything except the very small bit in this post..................... Comparisons and detail on what? Not sure what your looking By God Kerrygold you and Rashers would give an aspiran a headache arguing about hypotheticals. To my knowledge a selection of an intercounty team spanning 30 years has never taken to the field in an All Ireland Final , so I guess us Dubs can rest easy for the time being.
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