brigid
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Post by brigid on Jan 19, 2017 20:46:59 GMT
In an All Ireland final it was a comment from a prominent Cork player to Liam Hayes that had Hayes so anti Cork. The comment was overheard by Hayes's midfield partner, who was so annoyed that he took the law into his own hands and so was sent off. No mention of RESPECT in those days.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 19, 2017 22:06:48 GMT
Don't like Breheny at all,gaa journalism's Uncle Tom Cobbly, but Cork were indeed blessed with that All-I, never close before or since(don't say 2009, Kerry won pulling up), robbed us (ref, linesman) in the semi-final after wetting their knickers from the start and playing like *e most of the game, had a horrible style of football that year, incredibly cynical too, and played the weirdest excuse card for not being good enough ever dreamed up for alot of that era, "we just can't get past Kerry in Croke Park".
Now players are trying to make press etc by blaming the CCB. Jesus wept! I still feel sick in the stomach every time I think of that 2010 semi-final, we threw it away, and were robbed, and have won loads since, but the fact it also let that Cork team scrape an All-I against the worst Down team to ever reach a National final really sticks in my craw even now!
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 19, 2017 23:36:39 GMT
To be fair to cork, some of them like canty were coming to the end of the road, they lost one gem to Aussie rules, aiden Walsh went to hurling...better than fenton at the same age in my view....and a few others has horrendous bad luck with injuries. And football is the poor relation in cork...unlike Kerry and Dublin.. and thats before we even get to the county board which lots of cork people complain about.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 20, 2017 0:10:10 GMT
Why then did the Cork footballers have to set up a gym in a warehouse in Fermoy when Mallow had everything.
Is it that Frank wouldn't pay .
Something very wrong .
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 10:28:33 GMT
Don't like Breheny at all,gaa journalism's Uncle Tom Cobbly, but Cork were indeed blessed with that All-I, never close before or since(don't say 2009, Kerry won pulling up), robbed us (ref, linesman) in the semi-final after wetting their knickers from the start and playing like *e most of the game, had a horrible style of football that year, incredibly cynical too, and played the weirdest excuse card for not being good enough ever dreamed up for alot of that era, "we just can't get past Kerry in Croke Park". Now players are trying to make press etc by blaming the CCB. Jesus wept! I still feel sick in the stomach every time I think of that 2010 semi-final, we threw it away, and were robbed, and have won loads since, but the fact it also let that Cork team scrape an All-I against the worst Down team to ever reach a National final really sticks in my craw even now! Remind me again of how ye were "robbed" in that semi-final? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 10:30:05 GMT
In an All Ireland final it was a comment from a prominent Cork player to Liam Hayes that had Hayes so anti Cork. The comment was overheard by Hayes's midfield partner, who was so annoyed that he took the law into his own hands and so was sent off. No mention of RESPECT in those days. This is the first I have heard of this. If it is only hearsay and you have no concrete proof something was said it is an accusation without foundation.
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 10:35:19 GMT
Leesider, Why didn't or don't the Cork footballers use the magnificent facility in Mallow. Both the footballers and hurlers used to use it indeed the Munster rugby team used to train there. I think they were told to kick out the rugby boys but I can't understand why the Gaa don't use it. Must have been a falling out along the way. Painting a shed while Mallow is available is mind blowing. Just wondering. Yeah Mallow rugby (and soccer) were kicked out ( www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/foreign-games-ruled-out-of-mallow-gaa-complex-27087808.html. Why the Cork footballers don't use it is probably because Mallow's own teams are using it.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 11:22:20 GMT
Don't like Breheny at all,gaa journalism's Uncle Tom Cobbly, but Cork were indeed blessed with that All-I, never close before or since(don't say 2009, Kerry won pulling up), robbed us (ref, linesman) in the semi-final after wetting their knickers from the start and playing like *e most of the game, had a horrible style of football that year, incredibly cynical too, and played the weirdest excuse card for not being good enough ever dreamed up for alot of that era, "we just can't get past Kerry in Croke Park". Now players are trying to make press etc by blaming the CCB. Jesus wept! I still feel sick in the stomach every time I think of that 2010 semi-final, we threw it away, and were robbed, and have won loads since, but the fact it also let that Cork team scrape an All-I against the worst Down team to ever reach a National final really sticks in my craw even now! Remind me again of how ye were "robbed" in that semi-final? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Soft free after soft free in the last 20 minutes, half of them for diving etc. Nothing given the other way. Linesman's 2 calls in the last few minutes. That, and the fact yis were brutal for most of the game. As I also said, we threw it away. Like the league final in 2011
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 11:25:29 GMT
Remind me again of how ye were "robbed" in that semi-final? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Soft free after soft free in the last 20 minutes, half of them for diving etc. Nothing given the other way. Linesman's 2 calls in the last few minutes. That, and the fact yis were brutal for most of the game. As I also said, we threw it away. Like the league final in 2011 Yerra yeah that's right. Anytime ye were ever beaten it was down to bad refereeing and cheating.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 11:25:51 GMT
In an All Ireland final it was a comment from a prominent Cork player to Liam Hayes that had Hayes so anti Cork. The comment was overheard by Hayes's midfield partner, who was so annoyed that he took the law into his own hands and so was sent off. No mention of RESPECT in those days. This is the first I have heard of this. If it is only hearsay and you have no concrete proof something was said it is an accusation without foundation. Didn't Hates make reference to comments in his autobiography? But also admitted alot of it was blown out of prop deliberately to suit Meath motivation. Dirtiest side to ever win All-Irelands that Meath team. Til Tyrone 2003.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 11:32:34 GMT
Soft free after soft free in the last 20 minutes, half of them for diving etc. Nothing given the other way. Linesman's 2 calls in the last few minutes. That, and the fact yis were brutal for most of the game. As I also said, we threw it away. Like the league final in 2011 Yerra yeah that's right. Anytime ye were ever beaten it was down to bad refereeing and cheating. I didn't mention any other games, we deserved to lose any other. I picked out that one because it really sticks in my craw how it played out. Yis won by frees, some of them very soft to say the least, and a penalty. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be embarrassed to be honest. Far too much sympathy, and excuses for that Cork team, worst All-I win I can think of since Meath in 1999
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 11:37:12 GMT
Yerra yeah that's right. Anytime ye were ever beaten it was down to bad refereeing and cheating. I didn't mention any other games, we deserved to lose any other. I picked out that one because it really sticks in my craw how it played out. Yis won by frees, some of them very soft to say the least, and a penalty. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be embarrassed to be honest. Far too much sympathy, and excuses for that Cork team, worst All-I win I can think of since Meath in 1999 You are hilarious. Just to give me another laugh, please give me your opinion on the penalty we got in that game? I assume you are going to say it wasn't a penalty?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 20, 2017 14:19:56 GMT
I would defend anyone's right to say that their team was robbed by the ref if that's how they see it.
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Post by leesider on Jan 20, 2017 17:33:12 GMT
This is the first I have heard of this. If it is only hearsay and you have no concrete proof something was said it is an accusation without foundation. Didn't Hates make reference to comments in his autobiography? But also admitted alot of it was blown out of prop deliberately to suit Meath motivation. Dirtiest side to ever win All-Irelands that Meath team. Til Tyrone 2003. If he did it's news to me as I haven't read his autobiography. If he mentioned Cork specifically then I will accept it is true (unless he is lying).
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2017 18:44:15 GMT
Dublin were seen as chokers during the noughties and would have no right to be considered as God given winners against Down in 2010. Got a deplorable free in the Leinster championship in 2011 and of course had there own in house ref to see them over the line later in the year iced with Cluxton's party piece.
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Post by mandad on Jan 20, 2017 20:39:03 GMT
The Kerry Team to play Limerick in the McGrath Cup Final on Sunday next in the Gaelic Grounds (3pm) contains 8 players who featured in the final Championship game of 2016 and 10 players who started in last week’s defeat of Cork are retained.
Paul Murphy, who returns in the half back line, David Moran and Paul Geaney all start.
The team captained by Killian Young is as follows:
Ciarraí
1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Shane Enright Tarbert
3. Jason Foley Ballydonoghue
4. Killian Young (C) Renard
5. Paul Murphy Rathmore
6. Tadhg Morley Templenoe
7. Tom O’Sullivan Dingle
8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
9. Jack Barry Na Gaeil
10. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion
11. Jack Savage K erins O’Rahillys
12. Michael Geaney Dingle
13. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys
14. Paul Geaney Dingle
15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
17. Brendan O’Sullivan Valentia
18. Gavin Crowley Templenoe
19. Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks
20. Denis Daly St Marys
21. Adrian Spillane Templenoe
22. Conor Geaney Dingle
23. Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin
24. Conor Keane Killarney Legion
25. Barry O’Sullivan Dingle
26. Brian Ó Seanacháin Ballydonoghue
Bainistíocht
Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge)
Róghnóirí: Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks), Padraig Corcoran (Dingle), Liam Hassett (Laune Rangers), Maurice Fitzgerald (St Marys).
McGrath Cup Final fixed for the Gaelic Grounds
The Gaelic Grounds in Limerick is the venue for the McGrath Cup Final on Sunday between Kerry and Limerick. The venue was decided on the toss of a coin.
The double bill at the Gaelic Grounds will also see Kerry Hurlers take on Limerick in the CoOpSuperstores.ie Munster Senior Hurling League in the opening game at 1pm followed by the McGrath Cup final at 3pm.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 21:55:09 GMT
I didn't mention any other games, we deserved to lose any other. I picked out that one because it really sticks in my craw how it played out. Yis won by frees, some of them very soft to say the least, and a penalty. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be embarrassed to be honest. Far too much sympathy, and excuses for that Cork team, worst All-I win I can think of since Meath in 1999 You are hilarious. Just to give me another laugh, please give me your opinion on the penalty we got in that game? I assume you are going to say it wasn't a penalty? Nothing wrong with the penalty. Just that needing a rake of frees, some very soft, and a penalty to win in a game where you played *e, it's not really up to much is it? Please give me your opinion on the linesman calls near the end, the style of play (crabbing around the field with short hand passes, going down at every other contact etc, inability/lack of commitment of players to score goals/create goal chances in semi & final), and Counihans tictacs in general?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 22:06:30 GMT
Dublin were seen as chokers during the noughties and would have no right to be considered as God given winners against Down in 2010. Got a deplorable free in the Leinster championship in 2011 and of course had there own in house ref to see them over the line later in the year iced with Cluxton's party piece. Not sure of the relevance of most of that to the discussion (and whatever the media talk, and reputation, that Dublin team just weren't good enough. Nor lucky enough to avoid all top teams in knockout any year). But you're right about no certainty about Dublin beating Down, I certainly wasn't inferring that. Hindsight showed though that Down would have been even poorer winners than Cork, and that Dublin were going to be a great team. On a relevant note about 2011, almost the same Dublin team beat a great Kerry team. Therefore they would have been very worthy, and very significant winners in 2010 had it happened. Their own over-cautious tactics in 2010 were a large part of why they lost to Cork, and midfield deficit. Keeping it relevant, I'd like to hear your opinions on those sort of things, including the controversial things I've mentioned. Furthermore Kerry of all teams really blew a handy All-I that year, dint you think? Or was it suspensions, the CCCC, the media, injuries, the ref Vs Down........?
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Post by veteran on Jan 20, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
Will Brendan O'Sullivan ever be selected to start a game? Off the top of my head , I cannot recall him starting a game for the seniors. I would dearly love to see him play a full game so that we could properly assess him.
To repeat the question asked by somebody earlier in the week: What is the story with Alan Fitzgerald? He seems to missing for ages.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2017 22:22:21 GMT
Kerry weren't at the races in 2010 and were never going to win the All-Ireland that year irrespective of the shenanigans of the kangaroo courts that year.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 20, 2017 23:43:26 GMT
Kerry weren't at the races in 2010 and were never going to win the All-Ireland that year irrespective of the shenanigans of the kangaroo courts that year. Considering how mediocre the oppo were, it begs some interesting questions. Post-All-I torpor not-withstanding, win that Qtr Final and another back-to-back was very likely. So Kerrys weird, even abject no-show in the face of nothing much more than Down's very sporadic tradition in Croker is a story that deserves more attention. If that Down team had gone on to prove themselves it would be an afterthought but they so clearly didn't. They scraped past a very mediocre Kildare outfit that crumbled into nothing within 2 years, then lost the final to a shrivelled Cork doing the desperate minimal risk effort, and have disappeared almost like Kildare since (accelerated by emigration etc). So a great Kerry team that really should have won Sam a year later never showed up enough to beat a team that weren't nearly worthy, in a year that gave them a handy run to the finish. Of course, what they didn't know that day, yet, was that their nemesis would fall too, very much unexpectedly. Though they couldn't have met til the final anyway, if I recall right. And another thing, Kerry had come close to defeat against weak teams in 2009 also. So maybe 2010 was just waiting to happen. And of course they had been in 6 finals in a row. But unlike Dublin in 1980, they weren't clearly on the way out, and didn't meet the likes of Offaly of that era in knockout.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
Chill out rashers, there is nothing weird about it. It would have been 7 finals on the bounce , they were not machines and were ropy for must of the summer of 2009 until the startled earwigs provided lunch.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 21, 2017 0:03:12 GMT
Remind me again of how ye were "robbed" in that semi-final? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Soft free after soft free in the last 20 minutes, half of them for diving etc. Nothing given the other way. Linesman's 2 calls in the last few minutes. That, and the fact yis were brutal for most of the game. As I also said, we threw it away. Like the league final in 2011 You sound like some of us here.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 21, 2017 0:17:39 GMT
Soft free after soft free in the last 20 minutes, half of them for diving etc. Nothing given the other way. Linesman's 2 calls in the last few minutes. That, and the fact yis were brutal for most of the game. As I also said, we threw it away. Like the league final in 2011 You sound like some of us here. Yeh but it's the fact that subsequent years have shown that Cork outfit to be as unexceptional as some of us thought (though the 4 leagues on the bounce will remain a serious point of consideration), so unlike the hindsight of 2011 for Kerry, 2010 to me still represents an aberration in many ways, an All-I handed/part stolen away to...... what? This is where the start of the discussion comes in. People like Paddy Kelly now reviving that mantra of excuses as to why that team didn't win more All-Is. When the truth is they were genuinely lucky to win one. They never beat Kerry in knockout, and only got Tyrone once, Armagh when they were already on the way out. Yes they best us, but.........
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Post by dart on Jan 21, 2017 1:20:04 GMT
The memory I have of the 2010 Down game is they got points from all angles and distances with super skill and we couldn't get the basic scores. There was a 9 point gap towards the end and only a converted penalty made it closer at the finish. A disallowed goal (because of a stupid never applied rule change except to Kerry that year) is the one regret.
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Post by keane on Jan 21, 2017 2:38:08 GMT
Bizarro denigration of a Cork team that probably would have won several All Irelands had they not bumped into a very good Kerry team so many times over seven or eight years and had even average luck with injuries.
I'm not even sure which agenda this particular stream of garbage is meant to be serving.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 21, 2017 3:48:05 GMT
Bizarro denigration of a Cork team that probably would have won several All Irelands had they not bumped into a very good Kerry team so many times over seven or eight years and had even average luck with injuries. I'm not even sure which agenda this particular stream of garbage is meant to be serving. Exactly. No agenda, a genuine belief about some things rarely discussed, almost forgotten, brushed under the carpet. Instead of dismissing what I'm saying, calling it garbage and agenda, how about you present some evidence to back up an argument, like I did? It's a discussion forum, not an "I'm right, you're wrong, that's rubbish" schoolyard. And to try to encourage that, my opinion about your claim for what Cork 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' is strengthened by the fact that when the cats were away, the mice fell over the line with help from the draw, the ref & linesman in the semi, and horrible football overall. To make a valid comparison, and contrast, Dublin won with a bit of luck in 1995, a year when all the top teams/counties since 1987 failed to make the final. But they beat a still strong Cork team, with many All-I medals, in the semi by 4 points with the help of a super goal, and some great points from play in the 2nd half. They also beat a medal-bejewelled Meath team by 10 points in what was back then knock-out provincial final. They then beat a very upcoming Tyrone team, in an era of Ulster dominance, who had one of the greatest forwards ever to play the game. They scored a goal in the process from play, whilst Tyrone got back in the game only because PTG couldn't miss from frees (echoes of the 2010 semi-final in question!). To follow your claim, then if not for Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Dublin coulda, woulda, shoulda in that era also. As I said above, Cork only got Armagh and Tyrone once each in that whole era, (maybe Tyrone twice?), and yes they beat both, but Armagh were almost gone, and Tyrone were past their best in 2009, and never defended an All-I well. So give some real evidence for your claim.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 21, 2017 4:00:38 GMT
Foley replaced from the corner in Mallow and now starting FB, interesting, obviously showing promise in training. I'd like to see his physical stats v say Paul Murphy as Jason looks like he needs bulking up, but of steel he is, as is our Paul.
And yes, would love to see how big of a tank BO'S has, he looks the real deal in terms of trying, something about him that makes you dream of him lifting Sam after scoring the winning goal in the last kick of the game.
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Post by keane on Jan 21, 2017 11:57:32 GMT
Bizarro denigration of a Cork team that probably would have won several All Irelands had they not bumped into a very good Kerry team so many times over seven or eight years and had even average luck with injuries. I'm not even sure which agenda this particular stream of garbage is meant to be serving. Exactly. No agenda, a genuine belief about some things rarely discussed, almost forgotten, brushed under the carpet. Instead of dismissing what I'm saying, calling it garbage and agenda, how about you present some evidence to back up an argument, like I did? It's a discussion forum, not an "I'm right, you're wrong, that's rubbish" schoolyard. And to try to encourage that, my opinion about your claim for what Cork 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' is strengthened by the fact that when the cats were away, the mice fell over the line with help from the draw, the ref & linesman in the semi, and horrible football overall. To make a valid comparison, and contrast, Dublin won with a bit of luck in 1995, a year when all the top teams/counties since 1987 failed to make the final. But they beat a still strong Cork team, with many All-I medals, in the semi by 4 points with the help of a super goal, and some great points from play in the 2nd half. They also beat a medal-bejewelled Meath team by 10 points in what was back then knock-out provincial final. They then beat a very upcoming Tyrone team, in an era of Ulster dominance, who had one of the greatest forwards ever to play the game. They scored a goal in the process from play, whilst Tyrone got back in the game only because PTG couldn't miss from frees (echoes of the 2010 semi-final in question!). To follow your claim, then if not for Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Dublin coulda, woulda, shoulda in that era also. As I said above, Cork only got Armagh and Tyrone once each in that whole era, (maybe Tyrone twice?), and yes they beat both, but Armagh were almost gone, and Tyrone were past their best in 2009, and never defended an All-I well. So give some real evidence for your claim. Wat?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 21, 2017 12:56:02 GMT
Luck with what opponents are around plays a part. That cork team were very good at a time when Kerry and Tyrone were excellent. You can still get burned out even if you don't win the ultimate prize. Kerry were poor in 2010. Meath put 5 goals past Dublin. Tyrone were racked with injuries if I recall. Cork fell over the line and great players like Canty got a medal. So be it.
Then cork start to fall apart. Great prospects take the Aussie rules. Aiden tries dual role. Then goes to hurling. An adequate replacement for counihan is not found. And the spectre of Frank....
I don't know enough about what it's like to be a cork footballer to say whether paddy Kelly is unfair to Frank Murphy's regime. But paddy Kelly strikes me as a decent honourable sort of man and I would be taken by what he says.
Things have to be right from the top down.
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