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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Nov 7, 2016 14:17:45 GMT
'I was breathing as if my oxygen mask had slipped off on Everest' Billy Keane
Some of the violin notes were more harrowing than the screams of a man who caught his * in the zip of his pants, but we still won. Anthony 'Axel' Foley was our 16th man, and Ireland had a masterplan. The Irish team formed a figure of eight - Foley's jersey number - when the All Blacks danced a particularly intimidating haka. Axel's dad Brendan beat the All Blacks when he played for Munster in 1978. Just after the haka he whispered to Moss Keane, "will we ask them to dance?" Axel lives. His figure of eight inspired his beloved Ireland and for once the Kiwi war dance was no more than small boys whistling in the dark.
I went to see 'DaddyJohn', Jonathan Sexton's grandfather, in the dark of the new cemetery. It wasn't that dark, but dark enough to be scared. The red-and-white night lights kept sentinel and the crescent moon, like a listening ear, held sway in the starry sky. I saw a figure moving among the graves. A man who was grieving planted a shrub at his loved one's feet. We made out our grave. DaddyJohn lies there and he brought his grandson everywhere. They played pool for hours on end. Even then the kid had the eye and he hated losing. His grandson, you see, was playing at 10, the pivotal position against the All Blacks. For those of you who do not follow sport, Jonathan Sexton missed a big kick the last time we played the New Zealanders. His leg was falling off at the time and he should have gone off but the bravest player I ever met didn't want to let his team down.
I told DaddyJohn my story. This lovely feeling of contentment came over me. I knew then we would win. This win was more than a game. It was an endorsement of us Irish as a nation. We never, ever lie down, even when it takes us 111 years to get up.
New Zealand is the greatest rugby country ever. They play the game with skill, ferocity and belief. This team had gone 18 in a row and every game was won with many points to spare. The bookies are the naysayers of optimism. We were 12/1 in a two-horse race. But Ireland won with figures of eight, no little skill, more guts than you'd find in a sausage factory and our plan was written by a rugby genius from Wellington. The English teacher Joe Schmidt was born and bred in New Zealand. From now on we will call him The Master. His lesson plan was perfect and Sexton was his prefect. He kicked so near the Kiwi line it seemed as if the ball was his very own drone.
Rob Kearney and Simon Zebo went so high in to the Chicago sky, the air traffic controllers in O'Hare logged in a pair of UFOs. It isn't fair to praise one over the other. None of our players was found wanting. Young Joey Carbery was born in New Zealand but he was schooled in Blackrock College. The boy became a man when Jonathan went off injured and Ireland were on the back foot. Ultan Dillane, the Kerry kid, came on and covered more ground than Al Capone's bootleggers.
We went from 17 up to four up. The All Blacks never give up. I made for The Room. All men dread The Room. It's the place Herself brings us for The Talk. I took refuge. And I got to thinking, here I am nearer to 60 than 50 and I will never live to see Ireland beat the All Blacks.
And I felt for my godson, Jonathan, who hurts when he loses and sometimes blames himself. My son came in and put his arm around my shoulder. He was certain we would win. I was breathing as if my oxygen mask had slipped off on Everest. Back in with us then to the television and the remaining minutes. We jumped for joy with the whole family when the final whistle ended 111 years of waiting.
Brenda Sexton is nearer to 90 than 80. She is still a very good looking woman with a fine upright, long-stride walk and there's great zest in her. There is no better woman to give a few words of advice, when asked. Her grandson phoned from Chicago and she told him DaddyJohn worked in the city for a few years, a good few years ago. DaddyJohn put in long hours, spared up, and his savings paid for the Sextons' home and shop, just five doors from John B's. Brenda chipped in too and every morning she opens her door for business. She'd sell sand in Ballybunion and coconuts in Fiji.
So Brenda the sports psychologist told her grandson that he was in a city that was very good to the Sextons. And he listens to her.
After the match we sent Jonathan a photo from the shop of Brenda, me and The Boy With No Balls, who is a mannequin. Jonathan's reply was that "DaddyJohn's spirit was with us in Chicago".
How could we lose? DaddyJohn, Axel and the crowd make up 18. The All Blacks had only 15.
There will be days in the dark of winter when we will pull across the curtains and dip in to the replay, time and again. History is written now in the scoreboard over Soldier Field. This win over the mighty All Blacks is engraved forever in our national consciousness and is etched permanently in our beating Irish hearts.
n 'The Best of Billy Keane' is out now in all good bookshops.
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Post by leesider on Nov 9, 2016 22:44:31 GMT
Michael Shields back on Cork panel.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 10, 2016 9:32:50 GMT
Cody on board for his 19 season it seems. Some contribution to the game in his county.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 10, 2016 10:51:25 GMT
Michael Shields back on Cork panel. And Ken O'Halloran as well. Billy Sheehan to be selector?
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 10, 2016 10:52:32 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/kerry-insist-no-comeback-games-for-cork-if-pairc-ui-chaoimh-isnt-ready-429906.htmlKerry insist no comeback games for Cork if Páirc Uí Chaoimh isn't readyKerry believe they won’t owe Cork another home game should both county’s senior footballers reach next year’s Munster final and Páirc Uí Chaoimh is not ready to stage it. Kingdom sources say they, as part of the counties’ home-away arrangement, would not be obliged to their neighbours if the 45,000- capacity stadium is not completed in time for the would-be provincial decider. Cork are giving little consideration to the possibility at present, as to reach that stage of the competition they must beat Waterford and then All-Ireland semi-finalists Tipperary, who knocked them out of the province at the last-four stage in June. However, Kerry, who face the victors of Clare and Limerick on the other side of the draw, have given some thought to the idea. As per their agreement, Kerry owe Cork home advantage in the next two championship matches as the sides’ two SFC games played during Páirc Uí Chaoimh’s redevelopment took place in Fitzgerald Stadium, last year’s Munster final and replay. County chairman Ger Lane last month confirmed Cork will have to sacrifice home advantage for the senior hurlers’ Munster opener next May as the stadium’s completion date is approximately six weeks later in July. It means Tipperary will also have to travel to Cork for their next two championship meetings. However, Kerry’s understanding is their current deal with Cork elapsed with the completion of this year’s championship and the prospect of travelling to face Cork on their home patch in SFC fare on three consecutive occasions is not something they are prepared to consider. In the event Cork and Kerry do reach the final and Páirc Uí Chaoimh can’t host it, there remains the possibility of a neutral venue. Traditionally, the Munster final falls on the first Sunday in July, which in 2017 is July 2.
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Post by leesider on Nov 10, 2016 12:06:46 GMT
Michael Shields back on Cork panel. And Ken O'Halloran as well. Billy Sheehan to be selector? He is already a selector as far as I know. It is indicated in the Examiner that he could become coach for 2017 though:https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/peadar-healy-set-to-recall-trio-to-cork-squad-429684.html I notice in that link he is referred to as "former Laois footballer".
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 16, 2016 22:49:50 GMT
There was not enough seats in O'Moore Park Portlaoise for the Dubs this year but now there are enough next year. It is mind boggling stuff what some of these executives get up to on these committees. They leave themselves open to ridicule. So why not Kilkenny again and the all the nice seats in Nolan Park? www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1116/832279-dublin-fixture/
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Post by kerryman72 on Nov 17, 2016 19:38:38 GMT
No Kerry back room team named yet a bit worrying but I no the Kerry senior team are back doing strength and conditioning as a group with a fella from knocknagoshel any coices fr selecter stephan stack mabet I no 6 people turned it down including Maurice Fitz and seamus Moynihan would be surprised if mickey sheehy stayed on Aidan o Mahoney and dinnacadh Walsh must be staying on gooch should stay on with the form his in fr dr crokes he is looking extremely fit taughts on this ?
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Post by thebluepanther on Nov 17, 2016 21:27:03 GMT
There was not enough seats in O'Moore Park Portlaoise for the Dubs this year but now there are enough next year. It is mind boggling stuff what some of these executives get up to on these committees. They leave themselves open to ridicule. So why not Kilkenny again and the all the nice seats in Nolan Park? www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1116/832279-dublin-fixture/ Joke alright. I hope wexford win and we play them in Wexford park. If Carlow win it would be a joke to play it in O MOORE park. like us playing Laois in Nowlan park was a joke. Just token jestures ,
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2016 10:15:38 GMT
Borderline gombeenism!
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Post by peanuts on Nov 18, 2016 13:44:35 GMT
There was not enough seats in O'Moore Park Portlaoise for the Dubs this year but now there are enough next year. It is mind boggling stuff what some of these executives get up to on these committees. They leave themselves open to ridicule. So why not Kilkenny again and the all the nice seats in Nolan Park? www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1116/832279-dublin-fixture/ Joke alright. I hope wexford win and we play them in Wexford park. If Carlow win it would be a joke to play it in O MOORE park. like us playing Laois in Nowlan park was a joke. Just token jestures , I wonder is there a change in the T&Cs for the season ticket holders this year saying that you are not guaranteed a seat and may have to accept a terrace ticket in some stadia. This may explain why O'Moore Park is deemed suitable this year but not last.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2016 16:36:03 GMT
Joke alright. I hope wexford win and we play them in Wexford park. If Carlow win it would be a joke to play it in O MOORE park. like us playing Laois in Nowlan park was a joke. Just token jestures , I wonder is there a change in the T&Cs for the season ticket holders this year saying that you are not guaranteed a seat and may have to accept a terrace ticket in some stadia. This may explain why O'Moore Park is deemed suitable this year but not last. This is their explanation/furious back peddling for the u turn decision. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-defend-uturn-on-portlaoise-35225266.htmlNow that they have learned that Dublin people are very well capable of travelling outside of the Pale it would be fabulous for the province of Leinster if they continued to bring the Dubs around to the provincial towns in future, Kilkenny, Wexford, Portlaoise and Tullamore. Why not play Dublin Leinster semi finals in Nolan Park or Thurles (crowd dependent) for a further trail period? Leinster would gain from having the Dubs on the road. The economic and cultural enhancement of the midlands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 16:48:52 GMT
Cultural?? That is one way to describe the dubs leaving croke park😜
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 18, 2016 18:44:39 GMT
Cultural?? That is one way to describe the dubs leaving croke park😜 Thesaurus for Dubs (footballing ones of course) playing outside Croke Park - bewildered, lost, abroad, kidnapped, abused, abducted (by aliens), doing charity work, on a junket.....
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Post by breakingbadball on Nov 18, 2016 21:43:34 GMT
In fairness there are plenty of Dubs who follow their team all round the country during the league. It would be intetesting to see the stats, if anyone has them, on which counties are the best supporters for away games in the league? Would expect to see a good number of Dubs down in Kerry next March.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2016 23:31:00 GMT
In fairness there are plenty of Dubs who follow their team all round the country during the league. It would be intetesting to see the stats, if anyone has them, on which counties are the best supporters for away games in the league? Would expect to see a good number of Dubs down in Kerry next March. I was amazed by the number of Mayo fans in Killarney in 2015.
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Post by southward on Nov 19, 2016 0:21:22 GMT
In fairness there are plenty of Dubs who follow their team all round the country during the league. It would be intetesting to see the stats, if anyone has them, on which counties are the best supporters for away games in the league? Would expect to see a good number of Dubs down in Kerry next March. I was amazed by the number of Mayo fans in Killarney in 2015. And Killarney's even further away than Limerick. Dunno how they managed it, really. Tom Crean had a handy trek by comparison.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 19, 2016 11:11:20 GMT
I was amazed by the number of Mayo fans in Killarney in 2015. And Killarney's even further away than Limerick. Dunno how they managed it, really. Tom Crean had a handy trek by comparison. Sure Limerick is Kerry's second home- we train there on Tuesdays and in Killarney on Thursdays
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Post by glengael on Nov 29, 2016 9:46:49 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 29, 2016 11:24:08 GMT
It is a shame that some elements of the country hostile to our "northern brothers" have hijacked the tricolour to such an extent that to those of an Orange persuasion the flag does not signify peace between Green and Orange. It would have been a perfect flag for a United Ireland. The anthem would also have to go in a United Ireland. People can give out all they want but if they want a United Ireland it will have to look a bit to different so as to include our Northern brothers.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Nov 29, 2016 11:30:11 GMT
It is a shame that some elements of the country hostile to our "northern brothers" have hijacked the tricolour to such an extent that to those of an Orange persuasion the flag does not signify peace between Green and Orange. It would have been a perfect flag for a United Ireland. The anthem would also have to go in a United Ireland. People can give out all they want but if they want a United Ireland it will have to look a bit to different so as to include our Northern brothers. I agree 100% with this but please don't ask me to sing that awful Ireland's call on all Ireland final day.....
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 30, 2016 10:45:04 GMT
Now that we are in the slow season maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in the nuances of soccer than I am would comment on this.
Football has always been an attacking game. There is a score on average every 3 minutes.
Soccer is a possession game. I’ve often heard our national soccer gurus, Giles & Dunphy say before a knock out game that they could see the underdogs playing for a scoreless draw, keeping it scoreless in extra time and trying to win it on penalties.
In the last 15 years Ulster coaches have introduced a lot of soccer tactics like crowding defence, sweepers etc. Their strangulation of the game also places huge emphasis on the kick out (to keep possession).
Why then is the kick out (goal kick) never used as a tactic in soccer to keep possession and very rarely is there any comment by soccer pundits about the use of the kick out as a tactic?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 30, 2016 11:13:23 GMT
Now that we are in the slow season maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in the nuances of soccer than I am would comment on this. Football has always been an attacking game. There is a score on average every 3 minutes. Soccer is a possession game. I’ve often heard our national soccer gurus, Giles & Dunphy say before a knock out game that they could see the underdogs playing for a scoreless draw, keeping it scoreless in extra time and trying to win it on penalties. In the last 15 years Ulster coaches have introduced a lot of soccer tactics like crowding defence, sweepers etc. Their strangulation of the game also places huge emphasis on the kick out (to keep possession). Why then is the kick out (goal kick) never used as a tactic in soccer to keep possession and very rarely is there any comment by soccer pundits about the use of the kick out as a tactic? Excellently spotted and something I have thought about also. I'm not a great person for the soccer, but I think the short kick has become far more common lately --- with the soccer backs dropping much deeper than here-to-fore to collect the ball from the goalkeeper.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 30, 2016 11:20:35 GMT
Now that we are in the slow season maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in the nuances of soccer than I am would comment on this. Football has always been an attacking game. There is a score on average every 3 minutes. Soccer is a possession game. I’ve often heard our national soccer gurus, Giles & Dunphy say before a knock out game that they could see the underdogs playing for a scoreless draw, keeping it scoreless in extra time and trying to win it on penalties. In the last 15 years Ulster coaches have introduced a lot of soccer tactics like crowding defence, sweepers etc. Their strangulation of the game also places huge emphasis on the kick out (to keep possession). Why then is the kick out (goal kick) never used as a tactic in soccer to keep possession and very rarely is there any comment by soccer pundits about the use of the kick out as a tactic? Excellently spotted and something I have thought about also. I'm not a great person for the soccer, but I think the short kick has become far more common lately --- with the soccer backs dropping much deeper than here-to-fore to collect the ball from the goalkeeper. Barcelona and Bayern Munich have brought this tactic much more into the game. The centre-halves will split and go wide towards the sidelines, allowing the goalkeeper to go short to them or to a midfielder that drops back into the space left by the centre-halves. Man City are trying this too this season but you need players who are very comfortable on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 13:21:55 GMT
The premise that football is an attacking game and soccer is a possession game is flawed. Different sports with different means of scoring. Same with basketball/rugby. All sports have defensive and aattacking options. More scores does not equal more attacking.
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Post by smokey on Nov 30, 2016 14:30:32 GMT
Now that we are in the slow season maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in the nuances of soccer than I am would comment on this. Football has always been an attacking game. There is a score on average every 3 minutes. Soccer is a possession game. I’ve often heard our national soccer gurus, Giles & Dunphy say before a knock out game that they could see the underdogs playing for a scoreless draw, keeping it scoreless in extra time and trying to win it on penalties. In the last 15 years Ulster coaches have introduced a lot of soccer tactics like crowding defence, sweepers etc. Their strangulation of the game also places huge emphasis on the kick out (to keep possession). Why then is the kick out (goal kick) never used as a tactic in soccer to keep possession and very rarely is there any comment by soccer pundits about the use of the kick out as a tactic?
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Post by smokey on Nov 30, 2016 14:34:53 GMT
Now that we are in the slow season maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in the nuances of soccer than I am would comment on this. Football has always been an attacking game. There is a score on average every 3 minutes. Soccer is a possession game. I’ve often heard our national soccer gurus, Giles & Dunphy say before a knock out game that they could see the underdogs playing for a scoreless draw, keeping it scoreless in extra time and trying to win it on penalties. In the last 15 years Ulster coaches have introduced a lot of soccer tactics like crowding defence, sweepers etc. Their strangulation of the game also places huge emphasis on the kick out (to keep possession). Why then is the kick out (goal kick) never used as a tactic in soccer to keep possession and very rarely is there any comment by soccer pundits about the use of the kick out as a tactic? I suppose the main reason would be that you can handle the ball in gaa but not in soccer. It’s much harder to dispossess a player who has the ball in his hands than at his feet. A very limited corner back can successfully pull off the short kick out strategy in GAA as once its in his hands he can layoff a simple handpass to a teammate (not much football skill required there) or else he has at least 4 steps (depending on the ref!) to burst past the tackle and then lay it off. In soccer it’s a totally different scenario. Historically the positions most comfortable in possession were midfielders, strikers, defenders (although you’d get the odd back that could play ball) and lastly the goalkeepers (who were atrocious with their feet until the abolition of the back pass rule). Its usually a defender who receives the ball from a short kick out (it has to leave the box before the defender can touch it) and he is usually facing his own goal or on the half turn. Defenders aren’t normally the most comfortable on the ball and retaining possession without putting a teammate in trouble requires a very high technical skill level. A limited defender will either lose possession or take the safe option and just pass it back to the goalie. As the defender is usually not a good passer of the ball (won’t put the right weight or angle on it), the goalkeeper will be under huge pressure to clear the ball (he’ll be closed down) and will probably have to just hit it anywhere first time. You end up playing yourself into trouble in soccer. In the above scenario it makes more sense for the goalie to just go long with the kick out as he will more than likely receive the ball back from the defender in a similar location to the kick out but will be under a way more pressure. In recent times playing out from the back was popularised by Barcelona but all their players were technically brilliant and had a very high skill set. That’s the reason other teams find it so hard to copy Barcelona. When you have players of a limited skill set, playing out from the back is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. To successfully pull it off you need your defenders to have the skill set of a ball playing midfielder and all his team mates constantly moving to create angles for out passes. This requires an insane amount of coaching from a very young age. The most difficult pass to execute in soccer is the vertical pass to a teammate (when it comes off it destroys the opposition) and these are what you need to do with a short kick out strategy in soccer. Lateral passes aren’t as dangerous in gaa than in soccer. In soccer you can split open your own defence by playing lateral passes and it leads to conceding a lot of goals. Limited players tend to play a lot of lateral passes. Ill informed commentators usually lambast the Barca keeper when he messes up the odd time and they concede a goal. They usually say why doesn’t he just clear the ball but they are completely missing the point. Playing out from the back is integral to how Barca play and it works 99 times out of 100. They highlight the goal conceded from the rare mistake but overlook all the chances/goals they have created by playing out from the back. Its fundamental to how they play, less so these days they have become more direct. In short, in soccer the short kick out strategy requires all your players to be of a very high skill set while in gaa it doesn’t. Playing out from the back in soccer would be seen as a courageous thing to do. Does the same apply to Football? I personally don’t think so but others may disagree.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 30, 2016 20:49:23 GMT
Deegan admits today that he should have black carded Small but got all the other black card calls correct. Mind boggling stuff! Just adds further to the farce that the black card is.............. A new form of confetti thrown about willy-nilly.
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 1, 2016 15:27:34 GMT
I suppose the main reason would be that you can handle the ball in gaa but not in soccer. It’s much harder to dispossess a player who has the ball in his hands than at his feet. A very limited corner back can successfully pull off the short kick out strategy in GAA as once its in his hands he can layoff a simple handpass to a teammate (not much football skill required there) or else he has at least 4 steps (depending on the ref!) to burst past the tackle and then lay it off. In soccer it’s a totally different scenario. Historically the positions most comfortable in possession were midfielders, strikers, defenders (although you’d get the odd back that could play ball) and lastly the goalkeepers (who were atrocious with their feet until the abolition of the back pass rule). Its usually a defender who receives the ball from a short kick out (it has to leave the box before the defender can touch it) and he is usually facing his own goal or on the half turn. Defenders aren’t normally the most comfortable on the ball and retaining possession without putting a teammate in trouble requires a very high technical skill level. A limited defender will either lose possession or take the safe option and just pass it back to the goalie. As the defender is usually not a good passer of the ball (won’t put the right weight or angle on it), the goalkeeper will be under huge pressure to clear the ball (he’ll be closed down) and will probably have to just hit it anywhere first time. You end up playing yourself into trouble in soccer. In the above scenario it makes more sense for the goalie to just go long with the kick out as he will more than likely receive the ball back from the defender in a similar location to the kick out but will be under a way more pressure. In recent times playing out from the back was popularised by Barcelona but all their players were technically brilliant and had a very high skill set. That’s the reason other teams find it so hard to copy Barcelona. When you have players of a limited skill set, playing out from the back is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. To successfully pull it off you need your defenders to have the skill set of a ball playing midfielder and all his team mates constantly moving to create angles for out passes. This requires an insane amount of coaching from a very young age. The most difficult pass to execute in soccer is the vertical pass to a teammate (when it comes off it destroys the opposition) and these are what you need to do with a short kick out strategy in soccer. Lateral passes aren’t as dangerous in gaa than in soccer. In soccer you can split open your own defence by playing lateral passes and it leads to conceding a lot of goals. Limited players tend to play a lot of lateral passes. Ill informed commentators usually lambast the Barca keeper when he messes up the odd time and they concede a goal. They usually say why doesn’t he just clear the ball but they are completely missing the point. Playing out from the back is integral to how Barca play and it works 99 times out of 100. They highlight the goal conceded from the rare mistake but overlook all the chances/goals they have created by playing out from the back. Its fundamental to how they play, less so these days they have become more direct. In short, in soccer the short kick out strategy requires all your players to be of a very high skill set while in gaa it doesn’t. Playing out from the back in soccer would be seen as a courageous thing to do. Does the same apply to Football? I personally don’t think so but others may disagree. Point well made Smokey. I agree that a very basic corner back could receive the short kick out and lay it off. That is why this "tactic" has permeated game at all levels in recent years.
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Post by buck02 on Dec 1, 2016 20:46:49 GMT
The interview on Off the Ball with Cathal McCarron that just ended needs to be heard to be believed.
Given the way it ended it might not be on the podcast or playback.
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