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Post by southward on Dec 19, 2016 19:30:06 GMT
I didn't get any sort of a ticket. And no way was there only 3,000 there. I'd say 4,000 easily. very hard to know how many was there without a ticket allocation system. by the way, how do NK final attendances compare to other deciders around the county?
would there have been anywhere near 3000 at yesterdays Mid kerry final for instance?No idea, but if this forum is anything to go by, there doesn't seem to be as much interest in the other district competitions, for whatever reason. Sure there isn't even a thread for the Mid-Kerry championship.
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Post by homerj on Dec 19, 2016 21:10:10 GMT
looking at a picture on radio kerry website, which appears to be of the mid kerry final, it looks like a very small crowd at it yesterday.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 19, 2016 21:39:50 GMT
I attended a couple of the Nth. Kerry games again this year with a few friends. I must say that both Ballydonoghue and St. Senans deserve great praise for how they have developed their clubs in recent years and are now reaping the fruits of their efforts. Their future is bright. Congratulations to Ballydonoghue. Senans are better than what we saw yesterday and these two young sides will lock horns again in the coming years. The game itself has been comprehensibly covered by others and that is not why I am posting today. Vague and guarded references have been made on this Forum in recent years of a practice that prevails in North Kerry Championship games that I suspect most clear thinking people would regard as culturally and procedurally ‘unwise.’ The "-gate" suffix has been used liberally throughout the English-speaking world in recent times and this small word is central to my story. Specifically, I am referring to a practice whereby cash is tendered for admittance to the grounds and no ticket is issued in exchange. I can personally say that in North Kerry, more than once I have witnessed gatemen overwhelmed with pocketsful of notes, no tickets, and no moneybag. I have even witnessed one principled man refuse to part with his cash until he was issued a ticket. He got in free! Open discussion of this potentially sensitive subject is extremely difficult and is necessarily fact sensitive, as the lines between freedom of speech and defamation are the things that make lawyers rich. I want to state very clearly that I am not in any way, shape or form, maligning or accusing anybody of anything other than lack of proper procedure. What I am saying is that the Board needs to infuse proper procedure, or something closer to what could be regarded as best practice, into the way the ‘gate’ is run. I acknowledge that there was what I would describe as ‘cloakroom’ tickets in use yesterday but there is no excuse for not having established and accountable procedures, such as turnstiles when dealing with cash. This is not acceptable anywhere in this day and age and will always have that unethical aura. Surely, some club in that division must have concerns in this regard and could be prompted to take on an issue that I know people have concerns about. These things should be settled before the questions arise and not after. In the words of St. Paul "Provide things honest, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of man" Well you have opened up a debate well there mandad as St Paul and Solicitors would be total opposites, and yes, solicitors are synonymous with fine and not so fine lines from my experience. Someone who attended yesterday complained of a 15 min queue -is that correct? If so should 'proper' tickets be sold say from a counter and then separate the ticket from the stub at the gate(s), that would speed it up. Ah there's some very honourable officers in the GAA who give more than most of us combined would ever be in a position to give, so yes, we need to be careful and respectful. But you'll always find a crony element too so it isn’t that they shouldn’t be exposed. I had a personal experience in a literary sphere and where personal affairs were mixed up with the workings of the committee. In one instance a prize that was supplied by one committee member was presented by another one and who had actually written the pathetic piece –the presentation photo smacked of the purest Gombeenism, tragic comedy! What is even worse is the clown presenting the prize cannot be an official committee member for reasons we won’t go into. How the community tolerates this is appalling in the extreme and what is worse, anyone who asks a question is stonewalled. The reason I detail this is so that people will understand what others are capable of doing – only I saw it happening first hand I’d find it hard to believe and it is now gone to the stage where they built up a bloated committee around the culprits and nobody can talk up as they have all a kind of incriminated themselves by being complicit with it all. And worst still, some of those involved are innocent as to what’s going on.
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Post by madforfootball on Dec 19, 2016 22:30:35 GMT
I attended a couple of the Nth. Kerry games again this year with a few friends. I must say that both Ballydonoghue and St. Senans deserve great praise for how they have developed their clubs in recent years and are now reaping the fruits of their efforts. Their future is bright. Congratulations to Ballydonoghue. Senans are better than what we saw yesterday and these two young sides will lock horns again in the coming years. The game itself has been comprehensibly covered by others and that is not why I am posting today. Vague and guarded references have been made on this Forum in recent years of a practice that prevails in North Kerry Championship games that I suspect most clear thinking people would regard as culturally and procedurally ‘unwise.’ The "-gate" suffix has been used liberally throughout the English-speaking world in recent times and this small word is central to my story. Specifically, I am referring to a practice whereby cash is tendered for admittance to the grounds and no ticket is issued in exchange. I can personally say that in North Kerry, more than once I have witnessed gatemen overwhelmed with pocketsful of notes, no tickets, and no moneybag. I have even witnessed one principled man refuse to part with his cash until he was issued a ticket. He got in free! Open discussion of this potentially sensitive subject is extremely difficult and is necessarily fact sensitive, as the lines between freedom of speech and defamation are the things that make lawyers rich. I want to state very clearly that I am not in any way, shape or form, maligning or accusing anybody of anything other than lack of proper procedure. What I am saying is that the Board needs to infuse proper procedure, or something closer to what could be regarded as best practice, into the way the ‘gate’ is run. I acknowledge that there was what I would describe as ‘cloakroom’ tickets in use yesterday but there is no excuse for not having established and accountable procedures, such as turnstiles when dealing with cash. This is not acceptable anywhere in this day and age and will always have that unethical aura. Surely, some club in that division must have concerns in this regard and could be prompted to take on an issue that I know people have concerns about. These things should be settled before the questions arise and not after. In the words of St. Paul "Provide things honest, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of man" Well you have opened up a debate well there mandad as St Paul and Solicitors would be total opposites, and yes, solicitors are synonymous with fine and not so fine lines from my experience. Someone who attended yesterday complained of a 15 min queue -is that correct? If so should 'proper' tickets be sold say from a counter and then separate the ticket from the stub at the gate(s), that would speed it up. Ah there's some very honourable officers in the GAA who give more than most of us combined would ever be in a position to give, so yes, we need to be careful and respectful. But you'll always find a crony element too so it isn’t that they shouldn’t be exposed. I had a personal experience in a literary sphere and where personal affairs were mixed up with the workings of the committee. In one instance a prize that was supplied by one committee member was presented by another one and who had actually written the pathetic piece –the presentation photo smacked of the purest Gombeenism, tragic comedy! What is even worse is the clown presenting the prize cannot be an official committee member for reasons we won’t go into. How the community tolerates this is appalling in the extreme and what is worse, anyone who asks a question is stonewalled. The reason I detail this is so that people will understand what others are capable of doing – only I saw it happening first hand I’d find it hard to believe and it is now gone to the stage where they built up a bloated committee around the culprits and nobody can talk up as they have all a kind of incriminated themselves by being complicit with it all. And worst still, some of those involved are innocent as to what’s going on. This is very well said without offending anyone , was at the game on Sunday 1st of all congratulations to ballydounoghue by far the better team ON THE DAY. But wat was happending outside the gate was in my eyes an absolute farce a que at least 100 people long get to gate a man standing collecting and he could hardly hold on to the cash he had already , no ticket or stamp.. Theye say 3500 attending the game? Where is the proof without the ticket ?? They will surely learn from this on to the postive stuff now , North kerry football is in a good place with some serious footballers coming through exiting times ahead and no doubt senans will win one ....
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Post by homerj on Dec 19, 2016 22:56:51 GMT
dont think you can necessarily blame the NK board for the queue getting in, the problem was people arriving late at the gates though perhaps they could have had the main gate open a bit quicker.
the start of the game was delayed due to this and start of second half delayed for another reason which was the real lesson to be learned from the day for the NK board.
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Post by lár na páirce on Dec 19, 2016 23:23:56 GMT
very hard to know how many was there without a ticket allocation system. by the way, how do NK final attendances compare to other deciders around the county?
would there have been anywhere near 3000 at yesterdays Mid kerry final for instance?No idea, but if this forum is anything to go by, there doesn't seem to be as much interest in the other district competitions, for whatever reason. Sure there isn't even a thread for the Mid-Kerry championship. Wouldnt agree on this totally,By far the NK Champ is best supported by the whole county as there are numerous rivalries and there is a feel that anyone can win it any given year,The South Kerry & O'Donoghue cup's are next which draw big crowds. West & Mid Kerry are big within the districts but population and the dominance of Dingle & Laune Rangers in their respective divisions tame the attendances some what. There are talks of amalgamating the Brendan's Board & the Tralee Town competitions which could breath a bit of much needed life into them. I often hear of people all over the country who are envious of our district championships long may it continue
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Post by homerj on Dec 19, 2016 23:49:58 GMT
fairly decent spread now in winners since 2010 -
2010 - Tarbert. 2011 - Fingue. 2012 - Duagh. 2013 - Listowel. 2014 - Beale 2015 - Listowel 2016 - Ballydonoghue.
thats 6 different winners in the last 7 years which is great going though sadly a few of the above have deteriorated rapidly since they won it and most of the above apart from Listowel and at a stretch Tarbert, had a very poor championship.
9 different teams have got to the final also in this timeframe which just reinforces how competitive it is - only Asdee and Knocknagoshel have not been in a final in the last 16 years now and there has been 10 different winners in that time. added to the 2 above, only Brosna and Senans havent won it during this time.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2016 0:10:33 GMT
dont think you can necessarily blame the NK board for the queue getting in, the problem was people arriving late at the gates though perhaps they could have had the main gate open a bit quicker. the start of the game was delayed due to this and start of second half delayed for another reason which was the real lesson to be learned from the day for the NK board. People will not arrive early and with respect it is up to event organisers to meet the challenge of Crowd Control/Management. Yerra they do a fairly good job now but they need to move on with the times and bring the community with them, and mandad has made a few credible suggestions.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 27, 2016 6:18:01 GMT
A father and his 4 sons, including the MOTM and one waiting in the wings.
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Post by bannerman on Jan 12, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
Can anyone help settle a debate? Who won north kerry minor champs of 1999 and 2000? Tarbert won 98 Finuge won 2001 after tarbert self imploded I think listowel 1999 but no idea 2000
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Post by yellowbelly on Jan 13, 2017 10:54:53 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 13, 2017 11:53:59 GMT
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Post by nk1 on Jan 13, 2017 18:54:31 GMT
Can anyone help settle a debate? Who won north kerry minor champs of 1999 and 2000? Tarbert won 98 Finuge won 2001 after tarbert self imploded I think listowel 1999 but no idea 2000 . On a related issue the 2016 final is on in Duagh this sunday @ 2.30 emmets v St Senans should be a good game , maybe the trophy will have the winners printed back as far as 1999
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2017 6:26:39 GMT
Mad Mossies, sure why wouldn't they be!
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