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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:11:42 GMT
Maybe Dublin are just very good at tactical fouling
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Post by buck02 on Feb 19, 2017 14:26:27 GMT
McQuillan gave the frees last weekend 33-15 in favour of Tyrone. A similar pattern in many games that he has reefed us(Freudian Slip). Jaysus, he REALLY must've disliked Kerry! He did and still does.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 19, 2017 19:43:14 GMT
Maybe Dublin are just very good at tactical fouling ...or rather Tyrone are very good at tackling.
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Post by thebluepanther on Feb 19, 2017 21:22:49 GMT
Maybe Dublin are just very good at tactical fouling I've rewatched the game a few times, the tackling for both teams was very similar. It wasnt a dirty game , more a dogged game of players swamping men when they got the ball. Tyrone to be fair tackled well and knew their jobs. They pushed up on our kickout at times and then got men back . They stifled us for long periods and worked a great goal. . But what was infuriating Dublin fans was we were getting penalised while Tyrone weren't for what looked like identical offences. Well thats how it felt in real time and having watched it back, while some of our tackles were clumsy i still feel the same. There's no doubt the last free for us wasn't even the first cousin of a free . Also black card could be debated . But Cavanagh at the end was a text book black card which wasn't given, yet has hardly got a mention. The timing of the free that got us the draw is obviously what is the most discussed . If im a Tyrone supporter id be raging , But that one decision shouldn't mask the fact that McQuillan was very poor against us also. Either way Tyrone let this slip, they missed a few crucial kicks when 5 up and that was what cost them in the end. When it was 14 men against 14 men with ten to go we were 3 points behind , Tyrone really should have went for it but we were the team that was taking it to Tyrone . Either way a game that will no doubt help both teams as to where they need to improve.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2017 23:16:36 GMT
Kilkenny and Fenton kicked huge long range scores to close the gap. Fentons with the left was a savage score. As long as Dublin can kick long range points like that they won't be easily beaten. It was always the main difference between Kerry and Dublin. Nothing much has changed apart from the fact that Dublin can do it better now
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Post by thebluepanther on Feb 20, 2017 0:04:15 GMT
Kilkenny and Fenton kicked huge long range scores to close the gap. Fentons with the left was a savage score. As long as Dublin can kick long range points like that they won't be easily beaten. It was always the main difference between Kerry and Dublin. Nothing much has changed apart from the fact that Dublin can do it better now I think Tyrone studied a lot of our semifinal with ye last year and adapted a few things into their game , they went for stopping our half back getting the ball from Cluxton, although again like yourselves not all the time. There were also similarities in that they had a decent lead and then eventually their was 3 in it with not long left. Now granted the Dublin team against Tyrone are a long way of championship pace and missing a few pivotal players. Compared to the team that played Kerry last year . Although Tyrone will get stronger also ye feel. But you got that feeling in both games that the Dubs believed they weren't going to lose.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 20, 2017 10:04:32 GMT
Kilkenny and Fenton kicked huge long range scores to close the gap. Fentons with the left was a savage score. As long as Dublin can kick long range points like that they won't be easily beaten. It was always the main difference between Kerry and Dublin. Nothing much has changed apart from the fact that Dublin can do it better now I think Tyrone studied a lot of our semifinal with ye last year and adapted a few things into their game , they went for stopping our half back getting the ball from Cluxton, although again like yourselves not all the time. There were also similarities in that they had a decent lead and then eventually their was 3 in it with not long left. Now granted the Dublin team against Tyrone are a long way of championship pace and missing a few pivotal players. Compared to the team that played Kerry last year . Although Tyrone will get stronger also ye feel. But you got that feeling in both games that the Dubs believed they weren't going to lose. Dublin self belief is a huge strength for them - it comes with winning consistently over a period of time. This is a feature of dominant teams/players in several sports. It often allows teams in decline to keep on winning and prolongs a reign. I think Dublin's single biggest strength is this mentality at present as they have been on the go for over 4 years now (their hicup against Donegal argueably cost them their four in a row glory). Mayo have the opposite problem, self doubt and it allows them get caught at the death in tight games. When the winning habit stops the crash can be spectacular (eg Tiger Woods).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 20, 2017 11:08:39 GMT
I think Tyrone studied a lot of our semifinal with ye last year and adapted a few things into their game , they went for stopping our half back getting the ball from Cluxton, although again like yourselves not all the time. There were also similarities in that they had a decent lead and then eventually their was 3 in it with not long left. Now granted the Dublin team against Tyrone are a long way of championship pace and missing a few pivotal players. Compared to the team that played Kerry last year . Although Tyrone will get stronger also ye feel. But you got that feeling in both games that the Dubs believed they weren't going to lose. Dublin self belief is a huge strength for them - it comes with winning consistently over a period of time. This is a feature of dominant teams/players in several sports. It often allows teams in decline to keep on winning and prolongs a reign. I think Dublin's single biggest strength is this mentality at present as they have been on the go for over 4 years now ( their hiccup against Donegal arguably cost them their four in a row glory). Mayo have the opposite problem, self doubt and it allows them get caught at the death in tight games. When the winning habit stops the crash can be spectacular (eg Tiger Woods). I know you said arguably... I would argue that that loss made them a lot better.
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Post by Dermot on Feb 20, 2017 12:23:09 GMT
lol ... Sorry Rashers I'm not even going to bother ... you're too far gone Im afraid .. "I recon he's a stage 3 now Ted" Lol, course you're 'not going to bother' Dermo, your stock answer every time you're found out with no argument, no evidence, no detail, and unwilling to engage over something that negatively involves Tyrone. Lol. Btw, I've stood up for Tyrone a couple of times in recent years, in case you forgot, such as when the ref rode them Vs Mayo in the semi-final a few years ago. It's OK, I don't expect thanks. lmao .. you keep telling yourself that Rashers .... Dont think anyone else will see it quite like that but you carry on deluding yourself btw - it wasnt a free
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
Dublin self belief is a huge strength for them - it comes with winning consistently over a period of time. This is a feature of dominant teams/players in several sports. It often allows teams in decline to keep on winning and prolongs a reign. I think Dublin's single biggest strength is this mentality at present as they have been on the go for over 4 years now ( their hiccup against Donegal arguably cost them their four in a row glory). Mayo have the opposite problem, self doubt and it allows them get caught at the death in tight games. When the winning habit stops the crash can be spectacular (eg Tiger Woods). I know you said arguably... I would argue that that loss made them a lot better. Defensively they got a lot better after that defeat. It made Gavin a lot more determined to not get caught like that again. It has taken Harte a while to replace the great players he had in 05 and 08. They are still not the finished article . They are still lacking a couple of forwards I think to make the breakthrough. They still might be the team that gives Dublin there toughest game in the summer if they meet. I could see them winning ulster and going to the semis at least. Kerry and Mayo will be a lot better come the championship too but they have given Dublin their best shot and failed. We'll wait and see. It will still be hard to stop the dubs this year.
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Post by Dermot on Feb 20, 2017 16:46:25 GMT
Yep, we'd need to get a settled free taker and a forward or two to move to the next level ... Not sure if we can change whats there already but I hope so as I dont see anyone new coming in at the moment... I had thought Lee Brennan might be the answer as at least he's pretty consistent with free's but I dont see much sign of him so far this year ..
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 21, 2017 4:51:55 GMT
Maybe Dublin are just very good at tactical fouling You may well be right. But if that's the case, how come McQ keeps giving so many frees against us? Perhaps in fact what you're saying is that Uncle Joe is actually a great ref. Fancy that! :-o Dermo, Lol, you carry on avoiding a reasonable answer to a reasonable post. Play to your strengths lad. Lol
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Post by Dermot on Feb 21, 2017 12:29:20 GMT
Maybe Dublin are just very good at tactical fouling You may well be right. But if that's the case, how come McQ keeps giving so many frees against us? Perhaps in fact what you're saying is that Uncle Joe is actually a great ref. Fancy that! :-o Dermo, Lol, you carry on avoiding a reasonable answer to a reasonable post. Play to your strengths lad. Lol Ah now Rashers, you seem intent in keeping this going ... You are the ONLY person (Kerry & Dublin folk) on here who keeps saying that the last free Dublin got to draw the game was actually a free .. why do you think that is now Rashers ? For some reason you seem to think bringing up a game you won 5/6 years ago is relevant ... We have been over all this before so whats the point .. you're completely deluded in regards to this so maybe you should just let it drop ... what you think eh ? I'll say it again .. it wasnt a free .. end of story .. now please move on.. You're encroaching on "Stage 4" at this point
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Post by tpo on Feb 21, 2017 13:58:50 GMT
In that Dublin V Tyrone match years ago that Joe gave all the frees to Tyrone, he only gave them when Dublin couldn't be beaten. He gave them nothing in the first 15 min.
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Post by jackeengirl on Feb 21, 2017 14:38:31 GMT
In that Dublin V Tyrone match years ago that Joe gave all the frees to Tyrone, he only gave them when Dublin couldn't be beaten. He gave them nothing in the first 15 min. So what your saying is that for over 3/4 of the game he favoured Tyrone with frees? Dublin couldnt be beaten in all that time? Just the first 15 mins? Right so.....jesus wept 😏
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Post by jackeengirl on Feb 21, 2017 14:40:06 GMT
You may well be right. But if that's the case, how come McQ keeps giving so many frees against us? Perhaps in fact what you're saying is that Uncle Joe is actually a great ref. Fancy that! :-o Dermo, Lol, you carry on avoiding a reasonable answer to a reasonable post. Play to your strengths lad. Lol Ah now Rashers, you seem intent in keeping this going ... You are the ONLY person (Kerry & Dublin folk) on here who keeps saying that the last free Dublin got to draw the game was actually a free .. why do you think that is now Rashers ? For some reason you seem to think bringing up a game you won 5/6 years ago is relevant ... We have been over all this before so whats the point .. you're completely deluded in regards to this so maybe you should just let it drop ... what you think eh ? I'll say it again .. it wasnt a free .. end of story .. now please move on.. You're encroaching on "Stage 4" at this point I believe it was a free too. A slight pull back on the arm which caused him to spill the ball. Tyrone are masters of the subtle foul. However if i watched on TV is wasn't.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 21, 2017 14:44:40 GMT
Off topic again lads, can you just go away and argue this out in private, it's getting very tired at this stage.
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Post by Dermot on Feb 21, 2017 15:34:44 GMT
I agree !!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 21, 2017 16:09:54 GMT
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Post by Dermot on Feb 21, 2017 16:25:51 GMT
I'll try .. hope its ok to reply to this one
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 22, 2017 3:22:24 GMT
tpo, now that's more like it, good post, at last the great tradition of Kerry wit is returned.
Dermo, l, and indeed, ol. :-))
Back on topic, will Mayo kick on now? Have Donegal got something as yet unshown? Ros and Cavan expected to really struggle. This week usually represents the end of the league shadow-teams, though counties with clubs in Snr finals may still struggle
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Post by playitfair on Feb 27, 2017 14:05:38 GMT
In the interests of balance. Let's all agree the equalising free for Donegal was even less of a relation to the one Dublin were awarded 2 weeks ago.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 27, 2017 22:24:34 GMT
It wasn't a third cousin of a free
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Post by southward on Feb 27, 2017 22:55:01 GMT
In the interests of balance. Let's all agree the equalising free for Donegal was even less of a relation to the one Dublin were awarded 2 weeks ago. Yep, total phantom free.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 23:08:32 GMT
Truly shocking how these guys continue to decide the outcome of games with these blunders!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 28, 2017 6:37:35 GMT
I thought it was a fair result for Donegal. All joking aside, I've watched the Tyrone game incident again, and it is in fact a free. Fitzsimons loses control of the ball because of the Tyrone player's contact on his arm. It's hard to see that contact because it's on the blind side for the camera but clearly there is no other obvious reason why Fitzsimons loses his run, it was enough, and it was illegal. Harsh decision but not really a wrong decision. Which doesn't change the fact that even if it was wrong it didn't decide the game. Every decision and action in a game decides the game. Rock's kick decided it too. The reason refs have started giving what look like (and are compared to the past) very soft frees for contacts like that in the last few years is because of a concerted effort to challenge the more subtle fouling that prevents players with the ball, and sometimes off the ball, from progressing (ex on camera, McCarthy taken out by a blatant trip in one of the Tyrone attacks in the 2nd half, ref probably blindsided to it, would be hard to prove for a linesman)
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 28, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
All joking aside, I've watched the Tyrone game incident again, and it is in fact a free. Bollocks. Blue tinted glasses are now worse than green and gold.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 28, 2017 10:10:15 GMT
All joking aside, I've watched the Tyrone game incident again, and it is in fact a free. Bollocks. Blue tinted glasses are now worse than green and gold. The free for Dublin was not a free against Tyrone. Or was the free for Donegal last Sunday not a free. End of
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 28, 2017 10:31:52 GMT
All joking aside, I've watched the Tyrone game incident again, and it is in fact a free. Bollocks. Blue tinted glasses are now worse than green and gold. If using expletives, and saying things like "end of", are what passes for definitive conclusion these days, then I despair of forum debate. I made the above post simply because I looked at the game again, and that incident inevitably, in the cold light of day, and despite the fact that on second viewing a couple of weeks ago I believed I had exaggerated in calling it a definite free, I find that in fact the more I looked, the more it's a free. As I said, a harsh free but still a not unreasonable decision/conclusion. This is in contrast to the opinions claiming that it is "beyond doubt never a free". I could easily say things like 'b.ollox to that', 'anti-blue tinted glasses', and 'end of', but I actually prefer to debate properly, and respect others genuine opinions. It's all very well to cry 'tinted glasses' every time someone says something you don't agree with, that sort of comment is purely designed to rubbish, and undermine an opinion you don't like or can't accept. I have little or nothing to gain or lose by having brought up the incident again, most or all people think the Donegal free wasn't a free. The Tyrone game incident is done and dusted. Therefore any reasonable poster would realise and conclude that I'm simply stating a genuine opinion. And I'm genuinely not that bothered by the Donegal free because overall Dublin didn't deserve to win that game. So there you go lads/lasses, not everyone fits simplistic caricatures or predictable patterns
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 28, 2017 11:54:03 GMT
Bollocks. Blue tinted glasses are now worse than green and gold. If using expletives, and saying things like "end of", are what passes for definitive conclusion these days, then I despair of forum debate. I made the above post simply because I looked at the game again, and that incident inevitably, in the cold light of day, and despite the fact that on second viewing a couple of weeks ago I believed I had exaggerated in calling it a definite free, I find that in fact the more I looked, the more it's a free. As I said, a harsh free but still a not unreasonable decision/conclusion. This is in contrast to the opinions claiming that it is "beyond doubt never a free". I could easily say things like 'b.ollox to that', 'anti-blue tinted glasses', and 'end of', but I actually prefer to debate properly, and respect others genuine opinions. It's all very well to cry 'tinted glasses' every time someone says something you don't agree with, that sort of comment is purely designed to rubbish, and undermine an opinion you don't like or can't accept. I have little or nothing to gain or lose by having brought up the incident again, most or all people think the Donegal free wasn't a free. The Tyrone game incident is done and dusted. Therefore any reasonable poster would realise and conclude that I'm simply stating a genuine opinion. And I'm genuinely not that bothered by the Donegal free because overall Dublin didn't deserve to win that game. So there you go lads/lasses, not everyone fits simplistic caricatures or predictable patterns Why did you bring it up again anyway? This is wummery.
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