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Post by kerryexile on Jan 14, 2017 19:57:16 GMT
Interesting to see a sprinkle of veterans chosen in January when you'd imagine the emerging lads should have the measure of the rebels. I think Donnacha Walsh and Young are the only players in that squad over 30. The younger players need an elder statesman or two on the pitch to take the pressure off of them especially in the first game of the season.
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Post by derry4sam on Jan 14, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
Very interesting line from Eamonn Fitz in the quotes mentioned above.. "We're good with injuries for once". It is very early doors and things can change obviously but a relatively clean bill of health at this stage of the season is a very positive thing and can allow guys get games under the belt and build some momentum. I remember this time last year thinking how many key lads were coming into the year under a cloud. In particular it is great to see James O'Donoghue fit and playing for Kerry in January. James could really benefit from a run of games, hit some big scores and hopefully rediscover that 2014 form.
A quick mention for Denis Daly, delighted to see him involved once again. Out of all the guys on the 'periphery' I think he is the one who could progress to be a genuine option for Eamonn and his selectors either from the bench or even a starting slot. He has no club commitments this time around and with Maurice Fitz now involved I am eager to see how he develops.
I'd also expect Jason Foley to have a very similar campaign to O Beaglaioch's last year. He's the real deal!
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Post by Premier on Jan 15, 2017 13:32:37 GMT
Is the game live on the Radio?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 15, 2017 15:14:18 GMT
Interesting to see a sprinkle of veterans chosen in January when you'd imagine the emerging lads should have the measure of the rebels. I think Donnacha Walsh and Young are the only players in that squad over 30. The younger players need an elder statesman or two on the pitch to take the pressure off of them especially in the first game of the season. You'd be thinking the under 30's would stabalize and shore it up but that is Éamonn's job, so never too late for us talkers to learn. There is good news popping up all over the place, JO'D playi8ng in Jan, excitement with fellas coming through, etc, Anyway with Jason Foley debuting and a few more Ballydonoghoors knocking at the door, an unprecedented era looms for the current generation, a bit like the Polo era when we had Finnucane, Dowling and Cremin.
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Post by southward on Jan 15, 2017 15:43:07 GMT
Kerry 1-13 Cork 1-9 at FT
JOD with a penalty.
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Post by southward on Jan 15, 2017 16:10:15 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 15, 2017 19:06:22 GMT
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Post by Joxer on Jan 15, 2017 19:21:45 GMT
Two stand out performances today...from Jack Barry at midfield and Jack Savage at full forward. A bit more confidence by Jack Barry when in scoring positions and he would have made an even greater impact. Very good performances all over the field, though on this evidence, Jason Foley not ready for senior level yet. A bit of muscle added and he'll make it without any doubt. Tom O'Sullivan again looked very good. Brian Kelly still too ponderous over kick outs though his outfield players could have given him more options. Time to look at Shane Murphy and Shane Ryan as soon as either is available. Overall, again great talent coming through.
Anyone know where the final against Limerick is next week?
A question for the Cork supporters who sometimes come on here...why don't the footballers use Mallow as a training base? Apart from the very sodden pitch, it apparently has a floodlit Astro-turf pitch as well as other 'regular' pitches and a gym etc.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 15, 2017 20:05:39 GMT
Outstanding performance of the day was Jack Savage at full forward.... left and right over the bar. Brilliant. Jack Barry replaced David Moran and played very well... missing for a while but over all a great display. Very encouraging . Tadgh Morley had a good outing at midfield and considering they were up against Maguire and Deane Corks midfield for the year ahead , our boys stood up well. Brendan Sullivan came on for Donnacha and put in a great hour. Delighted for him. Loughrey must be sick of the sight of Jod at this stage as he got another roasting from the Legion man. Jon Lyne was flying today ..played very well. Kelli her was a handful for Mark Griffin but over all Mark had a good game. Micky Geaney loved the conditions.....heavy and muddy... won a lot of ball. Hate to say this but Jason Foley was disappointing, a small lad no 24 came on Fo r Cork and sold Jason a dummy and kicked a point , later shouldered him off the ball and kicked another point . Early days but Jason fine young man will surely learn. Over all a comfortable win but having watched Cork footballers for close on 55 years they can't kick the ball over the bar or into the net. They missed a penalty, a few scorable frees and quiet a few from play... typical Cork.. Happy heading home ..across the field
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Post by veteran on Jan 15, 2017 20:41:14 GMT
Thanks to ddtnexile and Joxer for reports. It would appear that it was a satisfactory outing .
The comments about Jason are valid . I made the same comments after seeing him struggle against Peter Kelliher at u21 last year. He desperately needs to load on the muscle. When he does he could be special .
I went to Duagh today to the North Kerry minor final. Rarely has a fiver been such a good investment. It was a memorable clash with Listowel beating St. Senans 0-9 to 0-7. There were yellow cards, double yellow cards and black cards but that does not mean it was nasty. It merely reflects the intensity of the effort by both teams on a miserable day. The referee played a huge part in making this the spectacle it was. He repeatedly gave the benefit of the doubt to the players that in spite of,the fury of their tackling their intentions were honourable.. He refereed it with an even hand and with consistency and in that way he gained the respect of players and fans alike. Accordingly to the programme his name was Thomas O'Rourke from Ballyduff.
Even though it was tit for tat, Listowel were deserving winners, chiefly because they were more productive up front where most menace came from full forward , Sam Tarrant. Listowel had Bryan Sweeney and R. Smithy at midfield against Colin Brown and Barry O'mahony. These lads gave their last ounce with the Senans boys stronger in the air and the Listowel boys craftier at ground level.
Last year's minor , Niall Collins at fullback for Listowel, was impregnable .
I am not sure how many of the lads playing today are eligible for minor this year. The man next to me said that strapping St. Senans midfielder , Barry O'Mahony is in with the Kerry minors at present. Apparently, he is a son of former Crotta and Kerry hurler, Brendan. Another instance of the apple staying close to the tree.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 15, 2017 21:21:32 GMT
Physicality can be trained easily skill levels are a lot harder so I'd rather our younger players, if they had to have one, had the latter when breaking through
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 15, 2017 22:12:17 GMT
Very good first half from Kerry, second half not as good. Very bright senior debut from Jack Savage who worked hard all day and got some great scores. Over the course of the game he was probably MOTM. Brendan O'Sullivan came in for the injured Donacha (finger) and had a very good first half. Probably tiered in the second half to some degree but needs loads of game time to developed into a county player. Jason Foley did a lot very well and will be very happy with his game. Good to see Conor Keane back in the senior jersey, looks bigger and baulked up and will have plenty to offer. Jack Barry had plenty of good moments in the game and showed plenty of potential. All in all a positive display from Kerry, however Cork were very poor all over the field. Well worth the trip.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 15, 2017 22:51:43 GMT
Very heartening to read upbeat comments about potential of younger players. And thats the key for me..potential. I am looking into the future to 2019 and the next decade. And I am encouraged.
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Post by Joxer on Jan 15, 2017 22:54:00 GMT
Does anyone know if Jack Barry today was the first appearance in a Kerry Senior jersey for a Na Gaeil player? I know William Kirby had played with Na Gaeil but as far as I know had switched to Austin Stacks for Kerry before he appeared for Kerry Seniors. At any rate, an excellent debut ( assuming the U21 team v Tipp last week is not classed as a senior team performance which I guess technically it was...).
I'd echo KGs comments above regarding Jack Savage...a non-stop performance and very impressive.
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Post by mossie on Jan 15, 2017 23:19:38 GMT
Thanks to ddtnexile and Joxer for reports. It would appear that it was a satisfactory outing . The comments about Jason are valid . I made the same comments after seeing him struggle against Peter Kelliher at u21 last year. He desperately needs to load on the muscle. When he does he could be special . I went to Duagh today to the North Kerry minor final. Rarely has a fiver been such a good investment. It was a memorable clash with Listowel beating St. Senans 0-9 to 0-7. There were yellow cards, double yellow cards and black cards but that does not mean it was nasty. It merely reflects the intensity of the effort by both teams on a miserable day. The referee played a huge part in making this the spectacle it was. He repeatedly gave the benefit of the doubt to the players that in spite of,the fury of their tackling their intentions were honourable.. He refereed it with an even hand and with consistency and in that way he gained the respect of players and fans alike. Accordingly to the programme his name was Thomas O'Rourke from Ballyduff. Even though it was tit for tat, Listowel were deserving winners, chiefly because they were more productive up front where most menace came from full forward , Sam Tarrant. Listowel had Bryan Sweeney and R. Smithy at midfield against Colin Brown and Barry O'mahony. These lads gave their last ounce with the Senans boys stronger in the air and the Listowel boys craftier at ground level. Last year's minor , Niall Collins at fullback for Listowel, was impregnable . I am not sure how many of the lads playing today are eligible for minor this year. The man next to me said that strapping St. Senans midfielder , Barry O'Mahony is in with the Kerry minors at present. Apparently, he is a son of former Crotta and Kerry hurler, Brendan. Another instance of the apple staying close to the tree. Veteran Brendan O'Mahony was a stalwart on the kerry senior hurling team for years. He also played football for the kerry minors. Was a dual county minor. Barry is a serious hurling prospect and good at football as well
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Post by mossie on Jan 15, 2017 23:20:51 GMT
Does anyone know if Jack Barry today was the first appearance in a Kerry Senior jersey for a Na Gaeil player? I know William Kirby had played with Na Gaeil but as far as I know had switched to Austin Stacks for Kerry before he appeared for Kerry Seniors. At any rate, an excellent debut ( assuming the U21 team v Tipp last week is not classed as a senior team performance which I guess technically it was...). I'd echo KGs comments above regarding Jack Savage...a non-stop performance and very impressive. are Jack Barry and Andrew Barry brothers?
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Post by decondd2 on Jan 15, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
Does anyone know if Jack Barry today was the first appearance in a Kerry Senior jersey for a Na Gaeil player? I know William Kirby had played with Na Gaeil but as far as I know had switched to Austin Stacks for Kerry before he appeared for Kerry Seniors. At any rate, an excellent debut ( assuming the U21 team v Tipp last week is not classed as a senior team performance which I guess technically it was...). I'd echo KGs comments above regarding Jack Savage...a non-stop performance and very impressive. Jack played once before for Kerry, against Tralee IT 2 years ago. With his brother Andrew playing last week for the u21's they are the only 2 Na Gaeil players with Senior appearances for Kerry.
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Post by mossie on Jan 15, 2017 23:22:35 GMT
Very heartening to read upbeat comments about potential of younger players. And thats the key for me..potential. I am looking into the future to 2019 and the next decade. And I am encouraged. the potential in kerry is just huge. one has to be heartened with the form shown in the McGrath cup by young and new players. Takes the sting out of the departure of Mark O'Connor to Oz a little
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Post by mossie on Jan 15, 2017 23:26:14 GMT
Like everything, getting the balance right is important for Kerry this year. You need lads like Donaghy and OMahony to stand up for the younger lads being brought through and to provide leadership and experience. One shudders at the thought of last Sundays team being sent out against Philly, James McCarthy and a few other wily operators. Similarly, Kerry need to last the pace for the guts of 80 minutes with Dublin and Mayo (and Tyrone) and not be overrun in the final push for home. (the 10 mins before half time did paper over a lot of cracks v Dublin in 2016). The younger brigade will bring that. But I dont expect Kerry to win the All Ireland this year anyway but I do expect Kerry to be very serious contenders in 2019 and 2020 et seq and the manner in which the minors of 2014 - 2016 plus Jack Savage, are assimilated will have a big bearing on that. Also, is Sean O Shea a son of the former Kenmare hurler of the same name. Yes his father is Sean O'Shea who would have played football & hurling for kenmare throughout the late 80s and the 90s. Sean O'Shea senior played minor hurling and football for Kerry and in a senior county hurling final with Kenmare I think Mike O'Shea who was on the Kenmare district team football winning team in 1987 and midfield for the kerry hurlers for many a year is an uncle to Seam O'Shea junior?
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Post by ruralgaa on Jan 15, 2017 23:29:01 GMT
Yes Mike O'Shea is his uncle
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 16, 2017 2:00:36 GMT
I'm told Jason is hard as iron and bulking up isn't the big issue. I'd say he was just missed his step here and his focus will have back on the ladder. Also delighted Brendan O'S put in a god shift but being realistic, Cork were of similar class to Tipp and we will have to wait for the League to test fellas rightly.
Contrary to what most say on here, I'm hopeful we can go the distance this year and more hopeful for '18, talking of '19 and '20, ah lads come on. We know the measure of the Dubs and Mayo, and while there was a gap in '16, I'd be concerned if I was either of them when you see the likes of Savage popping up. We have Sam in our sights and if Éamonn has a bit of luck that passed him the last two years then '17 will be uimhir a tríocha ocht. And now I know I am barred from talking about bookies but the only other team under 25/1 is Tyrone - I don't recall seeing this in all my days, already down to 4 teams, 1 from each province.
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Post by homerj on Jan 16, 2017 7:21:23 GMT
Can Sean O Shea make the panel/team this year?
We badly need a new input into the forwards this year, surely there's 2 or 3 lads who can at least make the match day squad now.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 16, 2017 12:30:37 GMT
To the people who were at the game yesterday, why wasn't Ken O'Halloran shown a black card for bringing down Jack Barry? I've seen it online and it looks like a deliberate trip to me.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 16, 2017 12:58:42 GMT
Team selection for Limerick will be interesting as I presume Fitz will start to look forward to the League and bring back in some of the more established players or will he stay experimental?
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 16, 2017 13:11:27 GMT
We are lucky on this forum to have so many knowledgeable contributors who can give us such incisive reports on details of the game that I almost feel as if I was there.
It is great to see so many players putting their hands up. An interesting summer lies ahead.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 16, 2017 13:12:09 GMT
Can Sean O Shea make the panel/team this year? We badly need a new input into the forwards this year, surely there's 2 or 3 lads who can at least make the match day squad now. I firmly believe he can make the team at 11; he has the physicality for this level in my opinion; it would be interesting to see if EF would pick him there for in reality we do not play with a conventional centre forward and have not done for a while- think Gooch in 2011 was the last man to play the role. Sean would also be an option as a free taker if it would not be too much pressure for one of his age.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 16, 2017 13:44:22 GMT
To the people who were at the game yesterday, why wasn't Ken O'Halloran shown a black card for bringing down Jack Barry? I've seen it online and it looks like a deliberate trip to me. Are himself and Shields back on the panel?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 16, 2017 13:44:56 GMT
Can Sean O Shea make the panel/team this year? We badly need a new input into the forwards this year, surely there's 2 or 3 lads who can at least make the match day squad now. I firmly believe he can make the team at 11; he has the physicality for this level in my opinion; it would be interesting to see if EF would pick him there for in reality we do not play with a conventional centre forward and have not done for a while- think Gooch in 2011 was the last man to play the role. Sean would also be an option as a free taker if it would not be too much pressure for one of his age. Gooch was 2013.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 16, 2017 14:07:41 GMT
To the people who were at the game yesterday, why wasn't Ken O'Halloran shown a black card for bringing down Jack Barry? I've seen it online and it looks like a deliberate trip to me. Are himself and Shields back on the panel? That's right although Shields wasn't involved yesterday.
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Post by Joxer on Jan 16, 2017 14:29:09 GMT
The cork goalkeeper should have had a black card and a cork defender should have had one for pulling down JOD late on in the game. Ref seemed reluctant to reach for any card...in the latter incident it looked like he was going to issue a black and then changed his mind. Consistent in our inconsistency is the way forward it seems.
Shields was down to start yesterday but was replaced before the start.
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