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Post by kerrygold on Nov 28, 2016 11:40:45 GMT
Salthill next for Crokes it seems? Looking forward to seeing how they cope at the business end against the top club sides with a proven track record in this competition. Both Salthill have Vincents have won it outright in recent seasons. Seems crazy clubs have to wait nearly four months to contest a final. Surely it would be better for all involved to play the All- Ireland club final on St. Stephens Day or else on new years eve/day. Would also give fringe players a chance to play NFL for their counties. is it not Corofin?? Yes correct, sorry meant to say Corofin, amended. Huge game/test for the Crokes.
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Post by baurtregaum on Nov 28, 2016 13:44:07 GMT
I presume this game will be in Limerick or Ennis around Valentines weekend?
Big test, Corofin were very impressive against an experienced St Brigids.
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Post by homerj on Nov 28, 2016 16:18:45 GMT
how many of this current crokes team have an all ireland medal with Kerry?
theres 5 seniors i believe, 7??? minors and a couple with u-21s also?
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Post by townend on Nov 28, 2016 19:21:36 GMT
my god were the Nire the worse side i have seen in a munster final, you get a better game again a juinor team, i hope Crokes don't think they are the Bees Knees now after that shambles of a final. Corofin won't be longbring them back down to earth. i think the problem over the years with the crokes they get no test in munster, and struggle again the likes of the Dublin clubs or who come out of Ulster or Connacht.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 28, 2016 20:24:50 GMT
I only saw the first half but I was very impressed with Corofin, they were very quick at moving the ball into attack and always had plenty of support players. Their kickouts were poor however and Crokes should try target that area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 13:24:59 GMT
The Nire were poor. Corofin will be a great test for Crokes. Got through a tough Connacht championship. I expect the Crokes to be up for it and it should be a close game. Could go either way.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 30, 2016 15:26:58 GMT
I often get the sense that the break from the provincial finals to the AI semis upsets the rhythm of a team - whether its the length of the campaign or the Christmas break you often see form change for a club team at this juncture of the club championship.
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Post by hugh20 on Nov 30, 2016 16:41:19 GMT
how many of this current crokes team have an all ireland medal with Kerry? theres 5 seniors i believe, 7??? minors and a couple with u-21s also? Colm, Johnny Buck, Kieran O Leary, Eoin Brosnan and Fionn have Senior. Mike Smiler, Alan O Sullivan, Johnny Buck, Brian Looney, Kieran O Leary and Jamie Doolan have under 21 medals. Micheal Burns, Jordan Kiely, Gavin White, David Naughten, Billy Courntey and David Shaw have minor medals. Michael Potts also has a minor medal but he is not part of the panel due to him being eligible again next year. Jordan Kiely also has an All Ireland at junior level for Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 30, 2016 18:04:30 GMT
Jaysas, I always get concerned and fearful when Crokes start decorating the Christmas tree.................
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Post by keane on Dec 1, 2016 0:47:19 GMT
I often get the sense that the break from the provincial finals to the AI semis upsets the rhythm of a team - whether its the length of the campaign or the Christmas break you often see form change for a club team at this juncture of the club championship. Weather is the great leveller.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 2, 2016 10:08:44 GMT
I often get the sense that the break from the provincial finals to the AI semis upsets the rhythm of a team - whether its the length of the campaign or the Christmas break you often see form change for a club team at this juncture of the club championship. Weather is the great leveller. Vincents have consistently dealt with the weather. It boils down to quality at the end of the day. A four month gap between provincial finals and All-Ireland final day is totally ridiculous. This competition needs to be wrapped up in the same calendar year as soon as possible. Like most large window gaps in GAA fixtures schedules this window and other windows are a waste of peoples time and resources. Players want more games in condensed time frames. Five or six of the Crokes players will be involved in this post Christmas preparation while also trying to find a way to prepare for the u21 championship with Kerry, not to mention college commitments and we harp om about young player welfare! It is farcical.
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Post by keane on Dec 2, 2016 10:34:08 GMT
Vincents have consistently dealt with the weather. It boils down to quality at the end of the day. A four month gap between provincial finals and All-Ireland final day is totally ridiculous. This competition needs to be wrapped up in the same calendar year as soon as possible. Like most large window gaps in GAA fixtures schedules this window and other windows are a waste of peoples time and resources. Players want more games in condensed time frames. Five or six of the Crokes players will be involved in this post Christmas preparation while also trying to find a way to prepare for the u21 championship with Kerry, not to mention college commitments and we harp om about young player welfare! It is farcical. I don't think Crokes would ever have had any of the trouble they've had against various teams in Munster over the last few years if the games were played in July. The schedule is a bad joke but playing the final in March - if we put any meas in the competition - is marginally better than playing it in January if those are the two options.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 2, 2016 11:58:29 GMT
Vincents have consistently dealt with the weather. It boils down to quality at the end of the day. A four month gap between provincial finals and All-Ireland final day is totally ridiculous. This competition needs to be wrapped up in the same calendar year as soon as possible. Like most large window gaps in GAA fixtures schedules this window and other windows are a waste of peoples time and resources. Players want more games in condensed time frames. Five or six of the Crokes players will be involved in this post Christmas preparation while also trying to find a way to prepare for the u21 championship with Kerry, not to mention college commitments and we harp om about young player welfare! It is farcical. I don't think Crokes would ever have had any of the trouble they've had against various teams in Munster over the last few years if the games were played in July. The schedule is a bad joke but playing the final in March - if we put any meas in the competition - is marginally better than playing it in January if those are the two options. Marginal is the word all right. I don't think playing the final on Stephens Day or New Years Eve/Day would be out of the way either. Weather in December is often very good. Players could concentrate on the new season with a clean slate. Finals on these dates would command pretty good/interested TV viewing figures also during the festive season when people are in holiday mode. I'm not convinced Paddys Day affords the competition any greater status or meas to be honest. It is splitting hairs in terms of meas placed on the competition.
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Post by keane on Dec 2, 2016 16:04:35 GMT
Marginal is the word all right. I don't think playing the final on Stephens Day or New Years Eve/Day would be out of the way either. Weather in December is often very good. Players could concentrate on the new season with a clean slate. Finals on these dates would command pretty good/interested TV viewing figures also during the festive season when people are in holiday mode. I'm not convinced Paddys Day affords the competition any greater status or meas to be honest. It is splitting hairs in terms of meas placed on the competition. Honestly, if you just want to get the competition ran off by the end of the year that's fair enough. 'Weather is often very good in December' is like a joke argument. The weather is far more often very bad in December. Pitches are in *, the ground is heavy, matches are low scoring, it's cold, dark and dreary. When you have bad pitches, driving rain and gale force wind the gap between great teams and average teams typically narrows, as the lower the scores the more likely an upset. If you respect the club championships my opinion is that you probably don't want to have the most important games on at the time of the year in which the quality and skill of the players involved is most likely to be stymied by the weather. You took me up wrong if you thought I was implying that St Patrick's Day is the important element - it's the time of year that matters. I think the idea of asking guys to play for an All Ireland medal the day after xmas or on New Year's day is crazy to be honest. If I was in charge the club champ would probably be played in high summer for what it's worth, but I'd rather the current set up allowing guys to have a nice Xmas and play the most important match of their career on hardening ground when the temperatures are above zero than trying to get everything run off before it gets dark at 3 o'clock in the middle of winter just so we can be done with it.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 2, 2016 16:28:06 GMT
Marginal is the word all right. I don't think playing the final on Stephens Day or New Years Eve/Day would be out of the way either. Weather in December is often very good. Players could concentrate on the new season with a clean slate. Finals on these dates would command pretty good/interested TV viewing figures also during the festive season when people are in holiday mode. I'm not convinced Paddys Day affords the competition any greater status or meas to be honest. It is splitting hairs in terms of meas placed on the competition. Honestly, if you just want to get the competition ran off by the end of the year that's fair enough. 'Weather is often very good in December' is like a joke argument. The weather is far more often very bad in December. Pitches are in *, the ground is heavy, matches are low scoring, it's cold, dark and dreary. When you have bad pitches, driving rain and gale force wind the gap between great teams and average teams typically narrows, as the lower the scores the more likely an upset. If you respect the club championships my opinion is that you probably don't want to have the most important games on at the time of the year in which the quality and skill of the players involved is most likely to be stymied by the weather. You took me up wrong if you thought I was implying that St Patrick's Day is the important element - it's the time of year that matters. I think the idea of asking guys to play for an All Ireland medal the day after xmas or on New Year's day is crazy to be honest. If I was in charge the club champ would probably be played in high summer for what it's worth, but I'd rather the current set up allowing guys to have a nice Xmas and play the most important match of their career on hardening ground when the temperatures are above zero than trying to get everything run off before it gets dark at 3 o'clock in the middle of winter just so we can be done with it. If the fixtures schedules were right it should be played end of September early October with the inter county final at the start of August. The tolerance of long drawn out windows of inactivity leaves a lot to be desired. Personally I'd have no problem skipping the Christmas Day glass of wine, taking the skin off the turkey leg and forgoing the pudding for a once in a life times opportunity to play on the all weather Croker sod over the Christmas recess with the club.
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Post by keane on Dec 2, 2016 16:37:49 GMT
I'd be more inclined to move the provincial championships back to January than bringing the final to December
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 2, 2016 18:12:03 GMT
Bodies need rest and time to re-charge. Playing football twelve months of the year is a recipe for disaster and gives two fingers to player welfare in reality. Season should be closed and over by end of October with November and December resting periods - makes total sense from player welfare viewpoint and pitches should be closed also. The old chestnut of the fixture list is what needs resolving for this to happen and this bull...t of adding more games to the championship is going in the wrong direction. The number of games in the championship should be reduced and the absolute right to play championship is a misnomer - it should be earned.
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