Jigz84
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Post by Jigz84 on May 27, 2016 13:22:18 GMT
I didn't realise that the Dublin Kilkenny game was fixed for Portlaosie. With Richie Hogan now unavailable the Dubs have more than a fighting chance to win this in a few weeks time.
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Post by glengael on Jun 2, 2016 8:41:56 GMT
2 of the heavyweights take to the stage this weekend in Munster. Will it tell us something or nothing about how the summer is going to be??
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Post by townend on Jun 6, 2016 17:59:08 GMT
i have a feeling offaly threw the westmeath game, hurl laois out the gate yesterday westmeath prize was a bad beating from galway for finnish first. offaly out of the round robin for next year. Galway should beat them in the semil final, but threw the years Galway never liked to hurl offaly.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 6, 2016 19:06:28 GMT
i have a feeling offaly threw the westmeath game, hurl laois out the gate yesterday westmeath prize was a bad beating from galway for finnish first. offaly out of the round robin for next year. Galway should beat them in the semil final, but threw the years Galway never liked to hurl offaly. An interesting opinion!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 6, 2016 21:37:36 GMT
About half the westmeath team were playing on the u21 team that beat KK.
So give Westmeath their due here.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 6, 2016 21:38:49 GMT
Clare looked like they has so much tactics in their heads that they forgot to hurl
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2016 17:51:48 GMT
It's over for Davy. The league was flattering to deceive, can't see them coming back from that, a good showing in Munster was a minimum for this year. And as for the attendance, that was even more depressing than the game
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 9, 2016 19:24:02 GMT
Richie Power column: Management calls cost Clare
By Richie Power
I had high hopes that Clare would have a major say in this year’s Championship, especially after a promising start to the year.
Last Sunday’s game was all about which team took the most out of the League final replay and what we witnessed on Sunday has seriously dented my confidence in this Clare team.
I don’t want to take away from Waterford’s performance, because every player was immense throughout.
It was very evident from the first minute that Clare lacked leaders all over the field and what really mystified me was Davy Fitzgerald’s team selection.
After seeing Tony Kelly’s performance in the League final replay, I felt it was a perfect opportunity for Davy to build his whole game plan around the former Hurler of the Year.
He grabbed that game by the scruff of the neck and practically won the game single-handedly for Clare.
I think everyone will understand my pure surprise that Tony was deployed as a make shift centre-back on Sunday.
How do you take your most potent and influential player out of position and play him that far away from the opposition goal?
I think this plan backfired big time and the management team need to take a lot of the responsibility for this performance.
You cannot expect to win a Munster championship game when playing your best players out of position.
Clare now face into the prospect of going through the qualifiers but if they can get players like David McInerney, Aaron Cunningham and Conor Ryan back on the playing field I would still expect them to make the quarter finals at the very least.
From start to finish, Waterford won every individual battle on the field and they should take great credit for it.
I felt Derek McGrath was holding something in reserve in the earlier fixtures.
The call to start Austin Gleeson on the edge of the square last Sunday was something I didn’t see coming, with a fit again Maurice Shanahan selected to play.
From the outset Gleeson was the go to man for Waterford, he was a real leader. It is hard to imagine that this guy is only 20 years old.
Even his physique has changed in the last 12 months. We are used to seeing him make these lung-bursting runs up the field but positioning him closer to the opposition goal makes him a serious threat every time he wins possession.
The sublime side line cut with 15 minutes to go typified his qualities to guide this Waterford team at a time when it looked like Clare might make a game of it.
If Gleeson continues in this rich vein of form and can stay injury free, we could well be talking about the Young Hurler of the Year and even more top honours.
Another master stroke from McGrath on Sunday was the selection of Pauric Mahony at wing forward.
Not only did he take over the free-taking duties, he led the team in attack and the ability to win primary possession was incredible for a guy who was starting his first championship game since 2014.
Every time he stood over a free on I was confident the white flag would be raised, and this in a game were wides were a major factor.
It’s a major plus for Waterford as they have struggled to find a consistent free taker in Mahony’s absence.
Personally I was delighted to see Pauric back on the playing field because I know how hard he has worked to get himself back into this Waterford side.
And his return is just another added bonus for a Déise panel that is looking stronger every day we see them.
Tom Devine and Jake Dillon both made an impact when they were introduced and will no doubt give the management team plenty of selection headaches.
Waterford are now preparing for their seventh provincial final in 10 years which is an incredible achievement in an extremely tough Munster setting.
With the return of Mahony and the finding of Gleeson’s most dangerous position, it’s hard not to be impressed with the Waterford effort.
Not everything was perfect on Sunday but with five weeks to go to the Munster final, I would fully expect Derek McGrath to have his charges ready to go to war again.
Clare face the long road through the qualifiers but could we possibly see a fourth episode in this new found rivalry later in the summer?
An All-Ireland semi-final is the very least that Waterford fans will expect this year and if they can build on this impressive display Sunday, we could see Kevin Moran climbing those steps in September.
Only time will tell but step one was definitely passed with flying colours.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 9:43:01 GMT
Kilkenny might have been out of sorts in the Allianz League semi-final against Clare in their last game but they were back to their imperious best in Portlaoise as they swept into the Leinster hurling final for the 18th time in 20 seasons with a comprehensive win over Dublin. As the All-Ireland champions have shown so often in the past, they are at their most lethal early in the second-half and it again turned out to be the tie-breaking period.
They outscored Dublin by 1-8 to 0-0 in the opening 15 minutes of the half, stretching into a 12-point lead, which was always going to be more than enough to book a place in the provincial decider against Galway or Offaly on July 3.
The goal came in the 47th minute from Jonjo Farrell, decorating an outstanding performance, which yielded 1-5 from open play. TJ Reid scored 0-10 and with Michael Fennelly marking his return with a hugely energetic performance, Kilkenny were completely dominant.
Their defence grew in stature in the second-half too, with Cillian Buckley, Paul Murphy and Kieran Joyce in control of virtually every situation.
Dublin didn’t record their first score of the second-half until the 16th minute and while they battled as bravely as they could all the way to the finish, it was very much a lost cause. Kilkenny led by 0-12 to 0-11 at half-time, having enjoyed a four-point advantage after 32 minutes. However, Dublin, who were without corner-forward, Mark Schutte, finished strongly, with Daire Plunkett, Eamonn Dillon and David Treacy (free) pointing in quick succession.
Treacy’s point took his first-half total to eight (seven frees), while TJ Reid countered with six (five frees and a ‘65’) for Kilkenny.
The opening seven points all came from frees before Michael Fennelly became the first to score from open play when he pointed in the 11th minute.
Kilkenny, who lined out without Jackie Tyrrell, were four points clear after 14 minutes but Dublin clawed their way back and were were only a point adrift 20 minutes. Kilkenny enjoyed a good spell after that but Dublin’s defiant finish them in a good position at the break.
However, Kilkenny’s quick start to the second-half broke Dublin’s resistance, leaving them with no chance of pulling off a surprise win.
Instead, they will head for the All-Ireland qualifiers early next month.
The attendance was 10,419.
Scorers: Kilkenny: TJ Reid 0-10 (0-7f 0-1 ‘65’), J Farrell 1-5, M Fennelly, W Walsh, C Buckley 0-2 each, C Fennelly, P Walsh, L Ryan, C Fogarty.
Dublin: D Treacy 0-11 (0-10f), D O’Callaghan 0-2, D Plunkett, E Dillon, P Ryan 0-1 each.
Kilkenny: E Murphy; P Murphy, J Holden, R Lennon; P Walsh, K Joyce, C Buckley; C Fogarty, L Ryan; W Walsh, M Fennelly, TJ Reid; JJ Farrell, C Fennelly, E Larkin.
Subs: L Blanchfield for Larkin (51), K Kelly for Ryan (57), D Cody for M Fennelly (65).
Dublin: C Dooley;E O’Donnell, C o’Callaghan, O Gough; S Barrett, L Rushe, C Crummey; D O’Connell, J McCaffrey; D Plunkett, N McMorrow, R O’Dwyer; E Dillon, D O’Callaghan, D Treacy.
Subs: P Ryan for O’Dwyer (ht), O O’Rorke for McMorrow (45), N Corcoran for Gough (49), S Treacy for Barrett (57), C Bennett for O’Callaghan (69).
Referee: B Gavin (Offaly)
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 9:55:30 GMT
I saw the second half and was looking forward to it as Anthony Daly on the radio was saying the first half was great and just the game hurling needed. KK scored 1.08 on the trot then and the level of their control of the game was like the second half of the 2015 final.
Still Dublin arent helping themselves. Their short puckout "strategy" yielded at least three points to KK as the dublin keeper struck his puckout directly to a KK shirt with stunning accuracy. Kerry football fans will know that feeling. Nolan their regular keeper left the panel last winter and Darren Sutcliffe did likewise. He is probably sorry he didnt go the football route when younger. They need all of these back.
Given the poor underage success, where are KK going to find new players? Enter Jonjoe Farrell aged 27. Marvellous first touch, a JOD turn and deadly accurate off left or right, he got 1.05 from play which was superb even allowing for the fact that the ball going into him was 80;20 such was the dominance of KK in the second half. How many more are there in KK aged 27 who didnt get their chance before now?
Three more games to go for KK.. one at the start of July v Galway, the semi final at the start of August and the final at the start of September. All very structured and who is going to stop them?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 10:02:41 GMT
by the way...only 10419 supporters in Portlaoise... very small given the attraciveness of the game before hand and the proximity of the venue to KK and only an hour from Dublin.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2016 16:03:02 GMT
Hurling crowds really down overall I feel, compared to 10 years ago and more.
Dublin & GC continue to struggle to get the senior team back to a higher level. I think Ger needed to bring someone else on board from the coaching side. And he needed to build some more bridges with players who have left the panel. But the strength in depth at senior hasn't materialised really, partly due to the drain to football. And I do feel there's something of an inferiority complex there too. I'd like to see a Dublin hurling man more heavily involved in the coaching side of it from the end of this year.
Congrats (yet again) to Kk for the standards they are keeping, and the longevity of some of their great players. I feel only a really off day will see them caught out by Tipp or Galway. Not sure Waterford ready yet. I fear Clare are finished.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 12, 2016 16:31:06 GMT
I wouldn't be too harsh in the Dublin hurlers.
They are now a regular Division One team...consider that in comparison to where they were 15 years ago.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2016 17:16:59 GMT
Not being harsh at all Annascaul, I suppose we are caught between three stools - "Should be doing better, especially considering all the investment", "shouldn't expect too much, considering the drain of quality players & the lack of any even nearly recent high level of performance prior to 5 or 6 years ago", and "should be more ambitious/expect more, and stop talking the defeatist mantra".
Kk are still incredibly strong of course, and yet they didn't have to be near their best to win easily. Dublin very much in transition and yet players not there who many say should be. There's alot of threads. Overall, as I'm not really a 'hurling man', my interest is nearly more in the desire to see more hurling teams/counties able to really consistently challenge the top two (or top one!)
I would feel Dublin should be able to get to a level comparable with Galway, but only if the underage success increases. Meanwhile I think it's a minor tragedy that |Galway & Limerick haven't won All-Is in so long. Or that Waterford haven't won in a very long time. And Wexford's demise is very bad, not to mention their struggles prior to the mid/late 90s.
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Post by veteran on Jun 19, 2016 19:04:02 GMT
Limerick would break your heart. Another aimless and ,mostly , heartless display today. God only knows what the winning margin would have been if Tipp had played with fifteen all through. Time after time the ball was hit into the forwards and time after time it was gobbled up an unhindered Tipp back. Perhaps, we were witnessing an optical illusion and that it was Tipp who had the extra man. For once we can forget the shoreline. Limerick were humiliated.
They last won it in 1973. I despair that it will not happen again in my lifetime. And they describe themselves as a hurling county. There are times when one feels that Kilkenny need not be worldbeaters to win an All-Ireland. Ger Loughnane recently said it will reflect very badly on the other teams if this patched up team win again in 2016. At least Duvlin dominate the football scene because they are a superb team.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 19, 2016 19:11:09 GMT
Limerick would break your heart. Another aimless and ,mostly , heartless display today. God only knows what the winning margin would have been if Tipp had played with fifteen all through. Time after time the ball was hit into the forwards and time after time it was gobbled up an unhindered Tipp back. Perhaps, we were witnessing an optical illusion and that it was Tipp who had the extra man. For once we can forget the shoreline. Limerick were humiliated. One of the lads on RTE nailed it when he called it "a two point hammering" They last won it in 1973. I despair that it will not happen again in my lifetime. And they describe themselves as a hurling county. There are times when one feels that Kilkenny need not be worldbeaters to win an All-Ireland. Ger Loughnane recently said it will reflect very badly on the other teams if this patched up team win again in 2016. At least Duvlin dominate the football scene because they are a superb team. Far easier to win a hurling All-Ireland by being the least worst team in the championship compared to in the football due to the smaller field imo.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 19, 2016 19:26:53 GMT
There has been rumours of fighting in the camps of Limerick and Galway for some time.
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Post by glengael on Jun 20, 2016 9:14:34 GMT
Tipp v Waterford should be a decent final. Both have the look of teams making some kind of progress. After 3 non-event games, the Munster C'ship could do with a proper contest.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 20, 2016 11:13:28 GMT
There has been rumours of fighting in the camps of Limerick and Galway for some time. Am I imagining it or does there tend to be a fair few more rumours about disquiet/unsettled camps around intercounty hurling squads compared to intercounty football squads?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2016 22:26:56 GMT
You never hear of infighting n KK, thats for sure.
Limerick were very poor the way they allowed themselves so exposed for the goals that Tipp got.
John ODwyer will miss the final. Huge game as the winner avoids KK in the semi final..assuming KK beat Galway of course. Waterford are unlikely to concede soft goals... so that and the loss of ODwyer could prove decisive
Interesting bit on KK in the papers over the weekend saying basically that KK target the first 15 mins of the second half to demolish opponents.... the stats on it were impressive.
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Post by glengael on Jun 21, 2016 8:57:41 GMT
I think we hear more about difficulties in hurling because there are fewer hurling teams involved at the top tier so less teams for the media and their sources to concentrate on....
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 2, 2016 7:33:08 GMT
Amazing Tipp fightback leaves people despairing at the state of Cork hurling once again
Tipperary 0-23 Cork 1-15 An amazing 11-point swing at Pairc Ui Rinn booked Tipperary’s place in the Munster minor hurling final tonight. The visitors trailed by 1-9 to 0-9 at half-time and Cork got the first three points of the second half, Jack O’Connor with one while sub Evan Sheehan got two.
Incredibly, though, the hosts would score just one of the next ten points as Tipp took over in the middle sector while Lyndon Fairbrother was deadly accurate from placed balls.
The Premier County have moved 0-18 to 1-13 ahead with ten minutes left but Cork levelled through Josh Beausang and Matthew Bradley.
Tipp powered on again, though, to rubberstamp their progression to the final against Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds on Sunday week.
Points from the excellent Paddy Cadell, Brian McGrath, Ger Browne, Walsh and Fairbrother’s free – his tenth in all – sealed victory.
Cork led 0-5 to 0-2 before Cian Darcy was to the fore as Tipp reeled off four in a row. Then, a point attempt from Cork’s Jack O’Connor’s fell short but Tipp keeper Ciaran Barrett couldn’t deal with it and Beausang drilled home.
Daniel Gunning and Liam Healy put Cork four ahead, and when they began the second half so well, a first final since 2008 seemed likely, but Tipp found an extra gear.
Scorers – Tipperary: L Fairbrother 0-10 (8fs), D Walsh 0-4, B McGrath (1f, 1 ‘65’), C Darcy 0-2 each, P Cadell, G Browne, M Kehoe, R Doody, C Flanagan 0-1 each. Cork: J Beausang 1-7 (0-6fs), J O’Connor 0-3, E Sheehan 0-2, M Bradley, L Healy, D Gunning 0-1 each.
TIPPERARY – C Barrett; K O’Dwyer, M Whelan, G Dunne; J Cahill, B McGrath, J Morris; P Cadell, G Browne; R Doody, C English, M Kehoe; E Barry, L Fairbrother, C Darcy. Subs: C Flanagan for English (28), D Walsh for Barry (half-time), K Breen for Dunne (34), S Neville for Morris (47), C Stakelum for Doody (60).
CORK - G Collins; P Lyons, N O’Leary, D Guiney; J Cooper, S O’Leary Hayes, E Clifford; L Healy, C O’Mahony; S Condon, M Bradley, T Deasy; J O’Connor, D Gunning, J Beausang. Subs: R Howell for Lyons, E Sheehan for Condon (both half-time), J Saich for O’Mahony (41), B Turnbull for Healy (50), J Geary for Gunning (59).
Referee - J Murphy (Limerick).
Online Editors
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Post by glengael on Jul 4, 2016 14:36:45 GMT
Galway seemed to have given Kilkenny a game for 45 mins or so and then it was back to business as usual. Fair Play to KK but you'd have to wonder where all the experts that knew better than Anthony Cunningham were yesterday.
Cork v Wexford and Limerick v Clare might produce something next.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 4, 2016 15:45:37 GMT
Galway seemed to have given Kilkenny a game for 45 mins or so and then it was back to business as usual. Fair Play to KK but you'd have to wonder where all the experts that knew better than Anthony Cunningham were yesterday. Cork v Wexford and Limerick v Clare might produce something next. Player power hasn't worked out too well so far for both Mayo and Galway!
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Post by glengael on Jul 10, 2016 12:55:48 GMT
Wexford beat Cork in championship for the first time, I think, in 60 years. They seem to have unearthed some fine new talent.
Clare progressed and Limerick's year is over.
I'd imagine their will be represussions in both Munster counties as a result of this weekend.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 10, 2016 13:49:47 GMT
Cork were also knocked out of the minor and u21 in munster a fortnight ago.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 10, 2016 13:51:53 GMT
There seems to be a serious malaise running through the county right now.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 10, 2016 18:43:17 GMT
This was a great result for hurling. Hopefully Waterfords management will now change tactics or better still, walk away.
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Post by glengael on Jul 11, 2016 8:51:47 GMT
Well, they only have a week to come up with a viable alternative against Wexford.
Clare v Galway is 2 teams in last. last chance saloon in earnest.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 20, 2016 12:29:49 GMT
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