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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2015 14:00:08 GMT
"Joe Rafferty was marked by two Kerrymen on the third day"
Kerry knew how to "hammer the hammer" way back in 1905.
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Post by jamo on Jul 31, 2015 14:47:31 GMT
I think game time will bring O'Brien on big time and I can only imagine him playing a vital role when a game further down the line is hanging, like a few newish fellas did in the AI final last year. He has energy to burn and boy does he light it. From what I see and hear, he is a fixture in the making. That 14 start again shows that Éamonn was happy with the previous outing, then again if we were facing another team he might well have a different configuration. Johnny B will still play a big role going forward and I'd challenge anyone to name a universally agreed starting 15; too much splitting hairs. We are blessed and that is across the entire team, i.e. 1-15. 16-30, management, backroom, sponsors, even us 'animal' supporters. Slán go fóill go mo fellow animals agus hopefully we will stampede and trample all before us as we climb Óstán Hogan for uimhir 38 an blain seo! very good post - Kerry have a very good mix of young ( inxeperienced) players in the Squad and o'Brien is one of them. Long term this game time will stand to him. I remember when Donncha W was working his way on to the starting 15.... it took time to believe in himself.. with more young players biting at the bit to get on and the experienced guys like Gooch and P.G. We are looking good. well done to Eamonn and his management team for their man-management of the total squad.
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 31, 2015 15:24:34 GMT
A very strong team - however I am more concerned with the mix on the bench. Only Peter, Fionn, and Jack Sherwood recognised defenders, plus 6 forwards and B Kelly for goals. Very surprised with this mix - would have thought a 4/5 mix would be better. Mark G very unlucky to lose out and would be needed for physical presence if Aidan gets injured.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 31, 2015 15:27:20 GMT
A very strong team - however I am more concerned with the mix on the bench. Only Peter, Fionn, and Jack Sherwood recognised defenders, plus 6 forwards and B Kelly for goals. Very surprised with this mix - would have thought a 4/5 mix would be better. Mark G very unlucky to lose out and would be needed for physical presence if Aidan gets injured. If Kerry need to bring in any more than 3 backs then they're in trouble. Galvin's role is also in the backs.
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Post by brigid on Jul 31, 2015 15:50:14 GMT
A lot of comments on this game but bear in mind that the All Ireland champions are due to play a team that will be playing in Div 3 next year. When Kerry wins this one they will be facing a more likely championship contender (probably a Div 1 team). Will some people have sleepless nights for the next game? Kerry will win this game easily. Look at Dublin about to play a team that will be in Div 2 next year and not a bother on them at 1/200 to win. Have confidence.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 31, 2015 15:55:10 GMT
Good team. They`ll do it if good ball goes to K. Donaghy.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 31, 2015 16:16:53 GMT
Can`t afford to leave K.Donaghy isolated. He`ll do the job if he gets support.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:38:13 GMT
No surprises to the team O'Brien more pace than Buckley who's struggling a bit right now.Cooper will come in early if things are going bad.Interesting to see what other players he will bring in. Crowley,Buckley probably will he go with Galvin and Darren or maybe Fionn or Tommy Walsh.Kildare have nothing to lose so I expect to go after Kerry from the start and try and run thru the middle of Kerrys defence. If they get a good start and go 3 or 4 points up it could be interesting. If Kerry can control the game from the start a go 5 or 6 points up it will be all over.Kildare have a decent record against Kerry in the Championship so you never know.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 1, 2015 0:04:15 GMT
The fact that we are playing Kildare and not Fermanagh makes it a small bit juicier.
Delighted with the team overall.
Stephen O Brien must be doing something right in training to hold on to the 10 shirt. He could be a real winner if he tidies up his game a bit . Buckley, Darren, Galvin must all be in contention for that shirt along with Mikey Geaney.
We win pulling up surely?
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 1, 2015 9:16:25 GMT
A lot of comments on this game but bear in mind that the All Ireland champions are due to play a team that will be playing in Div 3 next year. When Kerry wins this one they will be facing a more likely championship contender (probably a Div 1 team). Will some people have sleepless nights for the next game? Kerry will win this game easily. Look at Dublin about to play a team that will be in Div 2 next year and not a bother on them at 1/200 to win. Have confidence. But sure if sport was predictable not sure we would have such a busy enjoyable forum
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 1, 2015 10:43:02 GMT
A lot of comments on this game but bear in mind that the All Ireland champions are due to play a team that will be playing in Div 3 next year. When Kerry wins this one they will be facing a more likely championship contender (probably a Div 1 team). Will some people have sleepless nights for the next game? Kerry will win this game easily. Look at Dublin about to play a team that will be in Div 2 next year and not a bother on them at 1/200 to win. Have confidence. So the fact that Kildare are a division 3 team and we are only 1/7 to beat them, but Dublin play a division 2 team and are 1/200 to beat Fermanagh must mean that Dublin are at least 50 times better than Kerry? Kildare had a bad league campaign, so did Kerry, but Fermanagh focused on promotion to division 2 but that does not mean they are way better than Kildare. Kildare are no easy pushover, nor are Fermanagh for that matter, so treat them with contempt and we will fail. It is very likely we will face Monaghan in the semi-final which is also a tough test. I fully believe Kerry can beat Kildare and also Monaghan simply because I think that anything less than reaching the final would make it a bad year for Kerry, but I won't take either team lightly.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 1, 2015 10:49:50 GMT
Dara Ó Cinnéide: Once Kerry are cold and dispassionate about their business... By Dara Ó Cinnéide The notion Kildare have nothing to lose in tomorrow’s All- Ireland SFC quarter-final is one I’ve heard bandied about a few times this week.
While I accept at face value what is meant by it, I would reject absolutely the idea a team in the last eight of the All-Ireland Championship has nothing to lose. Every team that has any type of ambition will know this weekend could be their last in Championship 2015 and thus the stakes are higher as everything they’ve prepared for this past year is on the line.
Both sets of players, Kildare’s and Kerry’s, are familiar with the rituals and the emotions attached to this stage of the season so tomorrow’s opener at Croke Park will be played on its merits alone and not on all the chatter that surrounds it.
The permutations for Kerry are simple and straightforward: if they play as they are capable of playing, they will win, regardless of what Kildare bring to the contest. If they amble up to the game, as they did against Galway last year and, more particularly, against Cavan two seasons ago, they can be turned over. But the imperatives are obvious — maintain the high work-rate of the replayed Munster final, be cold and dispassionate about their business and everything else falls into place.
For Kildare, an awful lot more is going to have to go to plan. Because nobody, bar the Cork players themselves, can answer the questions that need to be asked of them after last Saturday.
We can only guess at how Kildare might have fared in Thurles if their hunger, their eagerness and their honesty had been matched by a team more interested in battle than Cork. But, given the level of performance and the slick interplay they showed at times, my sense is Kildare might have beaten Cork even if the Rebels hadn’t suffered a series of misfortunes: an early black card, an injury to a key player and a glorious goal chance spurned.
Surely Kerry won’t fall into the trap of allowing key players such as Niall Kelly, Paul Cribbin, Tommy Moolick, Eoghan O’ Flaherty and Eoin Doyle dictate the terms as much as they did in the first-half against Cork, when the game actually resembled something like a close contest? Moolick and Cribbin, who dominated last Saturday, now get the chance to test themselves against the two best footballing midfielders left in the race for Sam.
Should they decide to take on Anthony Maher and David Moran in a game of buffeting and horsing, they might not come off that too well either, and although they may get some reward from testing the ‘legs’ of the Kerry duo, it is worth remembering in last year’s epic semi-final replay against Mayo, the Kerry duo outlasted almost every other player on the field. Together, Moran and Maher won 19 of Mayo’s 30 kick-outs as well as a fair share of their own. Nonetheless, Cribbin’s mobility and his tendency to attack down the flanks will pose challenges.
To suggest Kerry don’t concede scores down through the middle of the park anymore would be off the mark too. Tomás Flynn’s wonder-goal at the quarter final stage last year for Galway alerted Kerry to their vulnerabilities in this regard. For a while afterwards, they protected the scoring area in the Ulster fashion, but lately appeared uncertain again when players with genuine pace run directly at them.
It’s a problem that re-emerged in Omagh at the end of the league and continued against Tipperary and Cork in the championship, most obviously in the lead-up to Barry O’Driscoll’s goal in the Munster final and Paul Kerrigan’s strike in the replay. When it’s stated for the umpteenth time Kerry struggle when quick players run at them, it’s tempting to shrug one’s shoulders and ask, ‘What team doesn’t?’
Nevertheless, as the serious teams enter the picture this weekend, Eamonn Fitzmaurice and his selectors will be concerned if the pattern persists. The Kildare brains trust, for their part, will recognise two rogue passages of play from the first half of the Cork game for what they are. The first, in the 25th minute, started with a Paul Cribbin restart from a line ball, and ended with Paudie O’Neill winning a tap-over free to put Kildare ahead a full minute and 45 seconds later.
The second passage started with Paudie O’Neill turning over Paul Kerrigan in full flight on 32 minutes and finished with an O’Neill point off his left leg all of one minute and 17 seconds later. That first move involved 18 hand-passes and two foot-passes while the second featured 15 hand-passes and, again, two with the foot. In both sequences Cork’s failure to get near the ball at any stage was obvious, but more noteworthy still was the number of basic errors Kildare made — like spilling the ball and turning away from space into trouble — without ever once being punished.
Having reviewed the build up to Barry O’Driscoll’s goal in the drawn Munster final, Kerry won’t be as accommodating when defending in numbers and Kildare should expect the Kingdom to put huge pressure on recycled ball. The Lilywhites have some big decisions to make in terms of match-ups. In two successive games, full-backs have had some joy on Kieran Donaghy but the return to the happy hunting ground of Croke Park might see him rekindle the flame that burned so brightly end of last year.
Of all the Kildare backs, Peter Kelly seems best suited in terms of temperament and aggression to marking Donaghy but, if the big fella really catches fire, it might take a radical move like sending back Tommy Moolick to try and quell the flames. Ollie Lyons has the pace and stamina to stay with James O’Donoghue but he’s going to need help if he wants to go on those lightning darts of his as O’Donoghue is not a player to be left to be left to his own devices in Croke Park.
Eoin Doyle seems well matched with Bryan Sheehan but his half-back colleagues Emmet Bolton and Kevin Murnaghan will need to be tidier in the tackle than they were against Cork to prevent the centre-forward from having one of those days from frees.
Kildare’s recent form and scoring returns (4-60 in the three games since the Dublin defeat) tells us they have built up a nice head of steam, but they’re still a team that have gotten it wrong more often than not all year.
They have yet to show they’ve eliminated enough of the variables from their game to survive in a high intensity contest. In that respect, they are something of an unknown quantity tomorrow. But, it’s Kerry. It’s August. It’s Croke Park. Only twice since the quarter-finals began has that meant anything other than a win for the Kingdom.
Donegal must prove the fire still burns
Of the other games in Croke Park today and tomorrow, only the clash of Galway and Donegal holds any intrigue for the neutral supporter. Because Donegal kicked so many wides in the Ulster final against Monaghan, it was always going to be hard to get over the line in a tight, dour game.
We don’t know yet how much that defeat took out of Donegal, but whereas in the recent past they appeared vivified and unburdened by the prospect of escaping Ulster and heading to Croke Park, there now seems to be a heaviness to everything that they do do. Their county board set the tone a fortnight ago by requesting the game be played at a provincial venue.
While not for one moment trying to diminish the effect of a long evening journey on supporters’ pockets, surely every inter-county team wants to be in Croke Park this weekend? If I were a Donegal man, I’d be concerned today the energy of three years ago has dissipated to such an extent it can no longer be switched on when needed.
Sometimes players are the last to sense when the flame is gone from something, and it’s going to take a monumental effort from the leaders within this Donegal group to reignite their campaign.
Whether or not Galway are capable of capitalising on any drop in Donegal energy levels depends on their getting their defence right. When they took on Kerry at this stage and in this venue last year, it wasn’t just the 10 first-half wides (five in the first seven minutes alone!) that did for them, it was also their naiveté in going man-to-man against a full-forward line of James O’Donoghue, Declan O’Sullivan and Paul Geaney. The pace and exuberance of Michael Lundy, Danny Cummins, Damien Comer and, when introduced, Shane Walsh, might cause a bit of bother for the Donegal defence but ultimately it will be the Galway backs who decide the outcome.
I doubt they yet have the qualities needed to keep this a low-scoring game, and I expect Donegal to advance.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 1, 2015 11:07:19 GMT
Brigid, did you bump your head somewhere lately?
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Post by glengael on Aug 1, 2015 17:23:37 GMT
The very best of luck to team and management tomorrow. I have my flask and prawn sandwiches packed and the compass set for Dublin.
Safe travel to you all and thoughts with those who will be there in spirit and heart.
Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 1, 2015 17:43:36 GMT
Still deciding whether I pack a Scotch single malt or an Irish pot still to celebrate on the train. For the rest I'm all set.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 1, 2015 21:54:09 GMT
The very best of luck to team and management tomorrow. I have my flask and prawn sandwiches packed and the compass set for Dublin. Safe travel to you all and thoughts with those who will be there in spirit and heart. Ciarrai Abu. Heading for the Premiums? My contact has dried up there and now i have to slum it with the rest if the season ticket set.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 1, 2015 21:56:03 GMT
Still deciding whether I pack a Scotch single malt or an Irish pot still to celebrate on the train. For the rest I'm all set. Get yourself a bottle of Teeling Single Grain.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 1, 2015 22:28:53 GMT
Still deciding whether I pack a Scotch single malt or an Irish pot still to celebrate on the train. For the rest I'm all set. Get yourself a bottle of Teeling Single Grain. Was going to indeed. Going for Bowmore Small Batch instead. Exclusively matured in first and second fill ex bourbon casks, then blissfully married together, Small Batch exhibits the best qualities of both. First-fill bourbon offers delicious vanilla sweetness, subtle spices and bourbon oak smoke to complement Bowmore's gentle peaty smokiness, while the second-fill cask enhances Bowmore's fresh fruity complexity and showcases its trademark honey and creamy malt character.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 1, 2015 22:48:38 GMT
All this thing about Dublin being 1/200 is purely a function of maths. Bookies don't know or care about football.
A computer that is programmed to make profit for the bookie decides the odds. It is mostly the supporters of a team that will bet on them. In Dublin's case it is tens of thousands so the obedient computer keeps pushing out the odds to reduce the winnings and make sure of the profit. It is not based on a judgement on football capability.
Relating the odds to the divisions in the national league is meaningless.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2015 22:51:18 GMT
Get yourself a bottle of Teeling Single Grain. Was going to indeed. Going for Bowmore Small Batch instead. Exclusively matured in first and second fill ex bourbon casks, then blissfully married together, Small Batch exhibits the best qualities of both. First-fill bourbon offers delicious vanilla sweetness, subtle spices and bourbon oak smoke to complement Bowmore's gentle peaty smokiness, while the second-fill cask enhances Bowmore's fresh fruity complexity and showcases its trademark honey and creamy malt character. If I was looking at that at the moment it wouldn't get near the train in the morning!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 2, 2015 7:24:11 GMT
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 2, 2015 7:25:26 GMT
Was going to indeed. Going for Bowmore Small Batch instead. Exclusively matured in first and second fill ex bourbon casks, then blissfully married together, Small Batch exhibits the best qualities of both. First-fill bourbon offers delicious vanilla sweetness, subtle spices and bourbon oak smoke to complement Bowmore's gentle peaty smokiness, while the second-fill cask enhances Bowmore's fresh fruity complexity and showcases its trademark honey and creamy malt character. If I was looking at that at the moment it wouldn't get near the train in the morning! Made the train. Ticket on me, whiskey on me and poitin as someone in Dublin ordered some. Sipping tea now and eating a salad
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Post by fitz on Aug 2, 2015 7:39:21 GMT
Get yourself a bottle of Teeling Single Grain. Was going to indeed. Going for Bowmore Small Batch instead. Exclusively matured in first and second fill ex bourbon casks, then blissfully married together, Small Batch exhibits the best qualities of both. First-fill bourbon offers delicious vanilla sweetness, subtle spices and bourbon oak smoke to complement Bowmore's gentle peaty smokiness, while the second-fill cask enhances Bowmore's fresh fruity complexity and showcases its trademark honey and creamy malt character. Always leads to then the toughest decision, Bowmore or 6 cans of Dutch Gold
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 2, 2015 7:52:04 GMT
Lovely wet morning... Great summer we are having altogether...
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Post by fg on Aug 2, 2015 7:52:27 GMT
Best of luck to the Kerry team and management and best wishes and safe journey to our supporters, CIARRAI ABU.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 2, 2015 8:15:29 GMT
Ready for the road south - safe journey to all there and back.
Up the Kingdom!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2015 9:37:05 GMT
As long as ye are all there for the main event at 4pm. The All Ireland champs are just the warm up act.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 2, 2015 9:40:56 GMT
Lovely wet morning... Great summer we are having altogether... Sure twill keep the dust down
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2015 11:25:16 GMT
Sport Newsletter
Billy Sheehan: If you want your attack to sparkle, find a good goalkeeper
You need a wider set of skills to be a netminder than any other position
Billy Sheehan
Published 02/08/2015 | 02:30 0 Comments
Christy O'Connor put it perfectly when he said in his book Last Man Standing that goalkeepers occupy a precarious position: glorified if the team wins, damned if they don't. In today's game between Fermanagh and Dublin, that line is more relevant than ever.
In the evolution of Gaelic football, positions have become less relevant for outfield players, but the goalkeeper is still a stand-alone post.
There is a perception that outfield players require a more detailed skill-set than the keeper but on closer examination, that's not really the case. More stamina, yes, along with an ability to withstand more contact, but to be a top-class goalkeeper, there are in many respects a wider set of skills needed.
They need to be a good communicator and an organiser; have quick feet and safe hands; be extremely courageous, a good student of the game and have an ability to react to dangerous and game-changing situations.
In essence, the goalkeeper is the general, the person who dictates play from the starting position. Kick-outs have now become the key attribute that define the goalkeeper's importance.
Looking back at the 1990 All-Ireland final between Cork and Meath provides an interesting contrast in terms of how the game has changed.
In that game, there were 38 kick-outs, 35 of which were kicked long, with the competing midfielders - Gerry McEntee, Liam Hayes, Danny Culloty and Shea Fahy - all effecting superb catches.
Cork won just 55 per cent of their own kick-outs and Meath 45 per cent, a statistic which wouldn't sit well with current inter-county managers.
One fascinating element was that Meath continued to kick the ball into 50/50 situations even though their full back, Mick Lyons, was a spare man for over half the game.
Tyrone and Mickey Harte changed the landscape by swarming the midfield fetcher and as a result, high fielding has become less of a factor. Managers tend to lean on a more athletic type of player who can effect breaks and cover ground box to box.
In today's inter-county game, 48 per cent of attacks originate with kick-outs. A team on average will have 24 kick-outs per game and will get a scoring attempt over 55 per cent of the time. With a conversion accuracy hovering around 50 per cent, teams manage a score from every four kick-outs. Up to 12 scores per game develop directly from kick-outs, which emphasises the importance of this aspect of the game.
Some changes which have had a direct effect on the improvement of kick-outs include the lighter ball, the kicking tee, and the rule whereby all kick-outs are now taken from the 13-metre line. Some managers even consider shot-stopping to be secondary to kicking duties when assessing their goalkeeper.
Codes, similar to rugby line-out calls, will give a team an advantage in terms of gaining possession. Gone are the days of signals such as hand in the air, pulling at the sock, and tipping the feet.
Trust between the goalkeeper and his outfield players is paramount. The movement of the players into predetermined positions is a huge part of a successful kick-out strategy. They need to work for and with their keeper to create space. It's almost a game within the game.
The speed at which the ball is kicked back into play is also vital. In the 2013 All-Ireland final, Stephen Cluxton averaged eight seconds per kick-out and completed 20 of 23, with Mayo's intensity and application waning after the first half hour.
In the 2006 All-Ireland semi-final between the same counties, Cluxton took an average of 28 seconds to complete each kick out. Amazingly, just one of the 21 kick-outs landed inside the 45, with all of them aimed at the fielding capabilities of Ciaran Whelan, Darren Magee and Shane Ryan. Mayo won 12 of those 21 kick-outs.
When considering and preparing to counteract the modern kick-out strategy, video analysis software - availing of cameras placed behind both goals - provides a lot of information in terms of signals, movements and kicking styles. These give both management and players concrete patterns of where their opposition's kick-outs will be targeted .
Players must be alert and able to react when the ball goes dead and not when it is being kicked out. Concentration must be high.
When it comes to pressing, it must be either zonal or man-to -man. For zonal, players hold the six forward positions, with midfielders taking a side each or going man-to-man. Players must compete when the ball drops in their zone. You must have trust in all of your team-mates to hold their sector and compete even if the back-line try to move them around. Kerry implemented this strategy to great effect against Dublin in the 2013 All-Ireland semi-final.
For man-to-man, each player picks up and tracks his marker to limit all short kick-out options. This situation creates a lot of movement from both sets of players, with much criss-crossing. A good goalkeeper will exploit this and kick into any empty space to his team's advantage.
A team can also give up the kick-out and drop deep with a defensive unit in place; the aim is to force turnovers and try to attack on the break. However, all the top teams are now coached and comfortable coping in such situations. In this year's Leinster final, Westmeath handed Dublin 11 kick-outs, resulting in a shot from over 70 per cent.
It must also be noted that not all teams want to waste their energy and effort trying to counteract kick-out scenarios.
Picking out the centre half forward is also an option as generally the centre half back is encouraged to sit rather than leave the defence vulnerable in such a pivotal position. Ryan Jones from Fermanagh has excelled at being that option in recent years.
Some teams locate two players in their inside line to keep their sweeper and defensive structure in place. This encourages a team to go short, and depending on the work rate and movement inside, implement a press to try to force a turnover high up the pitch. Monaghan's inside duo of Conor McManus and Kieran Hughes are top performers in this regard.
However, if a team does go short inside their own 30-yard line and the opposition press, they are putting themselves at risk of a turnover. We all remember Kieran Donaghy's defining goal in last year's All-Ireland final.
If the ball is kicked long, it will break the majority of the time, so it's important to get players to capitalise in the area of the breakdown. Currently there are two to three times as many breaking balls as clean catches. The advantage here lies with the half forwards as they need to box out their opposing marker, who covers goal-side.
Foragers of the dirty ball are key in these situations and players now specialise in positioning and movement in this sector. A player of Paul Galvin's qualities can thrive here.
Some spectators may not be familiar with the amended rules which apply to kick-outs. Players can now receive possession inside the 20-metre line once the ball has travelled 13 metres and they have started outside of it. Opposing players also need to be outside the 20-metre line before the ball is kicked. If players stay inside the line with the intention of delaying the kick-out, the referee has the option of punishing the offender with a card.
Cluxton is the benchmark for the current kick-out phenomenon. He never fails to react quickly and restart at speed. His eyes are always on the space presented to him by the constant movement of his team-mates, reaping the rewards of his vision and accuracy. And as expected from a five-time All Star, he plays with confidence, but more importantly the outfield players have supreme confidence in him.
The master craftsman is a number one in every sense of the word, and he's the player turning the wheel as his side endeavour to regain Sam Maguire.
Billy Sheehan has been a member of the Laois senior football panel since 2005.
Sunday Indo Sport
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:47:12 GMT
Good Luck to Kerry today
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