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Post by fivenarow on Mar 6, 2015 0:23:28 GMT
Mikey Geaney keeping his place on this team, is shocking. A bit harsh homerj, fair enough he was poor the last day but I can remember when David Moran was bad more days than he was good & he turned out ok, fellows on here including myself were shouting for him to be dropped, then he started playing well & he did his cruciate & the rest is history so I wouldn't knock mike geaney just yet, especially in March.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 6, 2015 7:10:15 GMT
Mikey Geaney keeping his place on this team, is shocking. Steady on.
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Post by jamo on Mar 6, 2015 8:27:11 GMT
I think Kerry will win the game v Cork comfortably. Looking at the Cork team their diamond at the middle of the field is slow and cumbersome with very limited football skills.Kerry will wipe them out here and setup a platform for scores to come freely. Kerry by at least 5pts and away from home that is a drubbing.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2015 8:52:30 GMT
Cadogan in midfield for Cork - Maher will destroy them. Cork look to go very defensively which is not a bad idea given the size of the pitch in Pairc Uí Rínn. Anyone that hasn't been there yet will be in for a shock. One of those pitches with a bit of a bump here and there and the locals will use that knowledge well. I expect Moran and Maher to reign in midfield and in my opinion the only way to stop Maher destroying Cadogan is for the latter to use his physical prominence. Risky business given that Sheehan is on the Kerry team and is a lot closer to the posts than he would be in Killarney. The weather is supposed to be good as well so Sheehan might have a field day. The big Turkey shoot out bonanza if Cork would try that. So, that would be a wring thing to do and I expect even Cuthbert knows this. For Kerry it is vital to stop Hurley and O'Neill getting much possession but Collins is also an excellent player. I would expect Kelly to come on and it is clear that Cork's best players are warming the bench. If Kerry can break down the Cork defence, and that will be hard to do, they should be out of sight by the time Cork stage their comeback. Their main tactic seems to be to grind Kerry down and limit our scoring and then bring on their big guns as Kerry are tiring. I hope it will backlash on them and with BJK wreaking havoc and Paul Geaney ready to prove a point.......anything but a good Kerry win would surprise me.
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Post by dabomber on Mar 6, 2015 9:06:10 GMT
Would I be right in saying that this will be the first time Pa Killkenny directly faces Brian Hurley since their battle in minors in 2010 munster final where Pa had to go off injured.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 6, 2015 9:20:53 GMT
I've seen a lot of people complain about Brendan Kealy starting this game ahead of Kelly. I cant see why, hes been sold for the first 3 games and i dont see any reason for him to be dropped
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2015 9:59:37 GMT
Would I be right in saying that this will be the first time Pa Killkenny directly faces Brian Hurley since their battle in minors in 2010 munster final where Pa had to go off injured. That seems to be correct indeed. Hurley is a very good player, but he is limited in imagination in my opinion. It reminds me of Rene and Willy van de Kerkhof, who played soccer with the Dutch national team in the 70s. Their entire strategy consisted of feigning to go left, but kicking it right and inning hard after it. It seemed to baffle defenders as they were sure they wouldn't do the same thing over and over again. Hurley is similar in my opinion. An absolute top class ball winner, who will win most balls played into his corner. He then carries it into contact until he is close enough to the posts to get a goal or kick it over the bar. He is very, very good at that, has a low center of gravity and is almost unstoppable when surging forward. I still think he will go the way of Cullen and Masters, who are both excellent but limited, and after a few years around the Cork team will disappear. No disrespect but he doesn't have the brilliance of Colm O'Neill or the qualities of Kerrigan. Kilkenny did very well in the Dublin game and if he has another game like that he should be able to contain Hurley. Can Griffin contain O'Neill? I doubt it, but if Kerry can stop ball going into him, Cork is half beaten. Personally I think Colm O'Driscoll, Collins and Kelly are Cork's biggest guns in the forwards, bar O'Neill. It seems strange to leave players like O'Connor, an excellent free taker, Kerrigan, Hodnett, Hayes and Kerrigan on the bench. Cuthbert obviously wants to use the bench, but a black card might throw that strategy into disarray. Very risky. With a few even tougher games to come it looks like Cuthbert wants to discover a few new players, give O'Neill more game time, and doesn't care about relegation. Cork are rebuilding as he got rid of the old guard, but it's hard to see the current Cork team winning Sam. Cuthbert's selection shows he wants to try new things and blood a few young talents, but to lose against the old enemy again will not go down well in the rebellious county. So many things have to go right for Cork to win this that it's a huge gamble. Cork Kerry games are always hard fought though, but if Kerry play the way they can I cannot see Cork winning,
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2015 10:01:17 GMT
I've seen a lot of people complain about Brendan Kealy starting this game ahead of Kelly. I cant see why, hes been sold for the first 3 games and i dont see any reason for him to be dropped We Know what Kelly can do and Kealy has been solid in his absence. I wouldn't see any reason either to change that other than giving Kelly some game time.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 6, 2015 10:09:26 GMT
Would I be right in saying that this will be the first time Pa Killkenny directly faces Brian Hurley since their battle in minors in 2010 munster final where Pa had to go off injured. I thought they met in last year's sigerson cup, CIT v Carlow IT? Hurley didn't score but I doubt he got much service.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 6, 2015 10:11:29 GMT
Cadogan in midfield for Cork - Maher will destroy them. Cork look to go very defensively which is not a bad idea given the size of the pitch in Pairc Uí Rínn. Anyone that hasn't been there yet will be in for a shock. One of those pitches with a bit of a bump here and there and the locals will use that knowledge well. I expect Moran and Maher to reign in midfield and in my opinion the only way to stop Maher destroying Cadogan is for the latter to use his physical prominence. Risky business given that Sheehan is on the Kerry team and is a lot closer to the posts than he would be in Killarney. The weather is supposed to be good as well so Sheehan might have a field day. The big Turkey shoot out bonanza if Cork would try that. So, that would be a wring thing to do and I expect even Cuthbert knows this. For Kerry it is vital to stop Hurley and O'Neill getting much possession but Collins is also an excellent player. I would expect Kelly to come on and it is clear that Cork's best players are warming the bench. If Kerry can break down the Cork defence, and that will be hard to do, they should be out of sight by the time Cork stage their comeback. Their main tactic seems to be to grind Kerry down and limit our scoring and then bring on their big guns as Kerry are tiring. I hope it will backlash on them and with BJK wreaking havoc and Paul Geaney ready to prove a point.......anything but a good Kerry win would surprise me. What point has Paul Geaney to prove?
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 6, 2015 10:13:24 GMT
Would I be right in saying that this will be the first time Pa Killkenny directly faces Brian Hurley since their battle in minors in 2010 munster final where Pa had to go off injured. Were they not on each other in the 2013 U21 game in Pairc Ui Rinn?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2015 10:29:48 GMT
Cadogan in midfield for Cork - Maher will destroy them. Cork look to go very defensively which is not a bad idea given the size of the pitch in Pairc Uí Rínn. Anyone that hasn't been there yet will be in for a shock. One of those pitches with a bit of a bump here and there and the locals will use that knowledge well. I expect Moran and Maher to reign in midfield and in my opinion the only way to stop Maher destroying Cadogan is for the latter to use his physical prominence. Risky business given that Sheehan is on the Kerry team and is a lot closer to the posts than he would be in Killarney. The weather is supposed to be good as well so Sheehan might have a field day. The big Turkey shoot out bonanza if Cork would try that. So, that would be a wring thing to do and I expect even Cuthbert knows this. For Kerry it is vital to stop Hurley and O'Neill getting much possession but Collins is also an excellent player. I would expect Kelly to come on and it is clear that Cork's best players are warming the bench. If Kerry can break down the Cork defence, and that will be hard to do, they should be out of sight by the time Cork stage their comeback. Their main tactic seems to be to grind Kerry down and limit our scoring and then bring on their big guns as Kerry are tiring. I hope it will backlash on them and with BJK wreaking havoc and Paul Geaney ready to prove a point.......anything but a good Kerry win would surprise me. What point has Paul Geaney to prove? He's competing with BJ for a spot. And a few others. Probably would be the first choice currently but he needs to hold on to that spot. Competition for spots drives them on. None of the players can be sure of a starting spot and that means they all want to show they deserve to be there when they get a chance. Barry John will want to show he deserves a starting spot, but Paul would like the same spot. Hopefully both make it very hard to choose between them.
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Post by dabomber on Mar 6, 2015 10:57:35 GMT
Would I be right in saying that this will be the first time Pa Killkenny directly faces Brian Hurley since their battle in minors in 2010 munster final where Pa had to go off injured. Were they not on each other in the 2013 U21 game in Pairc Ui Rinn? I could be wrong but taught Pa was on the wing that day
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Post by keane on Mar 6, 2015 10:59:17 GMT
Paul Geaney has a hip injury.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 6, 2015 14:55:03 GMT
Was just looking at the defence - the same back 6 have been named for all 4 of the league games this year and how that relates to the age/experience of them.
The following is the number of starts for Kerry the 6 lads have between them (assuming they all start the Cork game)
Age Total League Championship Jonathan Lyne 25 18 18 0 Fionn Fitzgerald 24 19 9 10 Jack Sherwood 24 6 6 0 Mark Griffin 23 15 13 2 Paul Murphy 23 17 11 6 Pa Kilkenny 22 4 4 0 79 61 18
Notable how little they have in the way of championship starts.
The 24 starts these 6 have gotten this year are 30% of their total starts for Kerry. While these lads aren't exactly newcomers, they definitely can't be considered hardened veterans, especially when you look at what the the stats for those who you could consider hardened veterans in the squad are
As a comparison Marc, O'Mahoney and Galvin all have the following number of starts
Total League Championship Marc 144 68 76 O'Mahoney 115 50 65 Galvin 81 36 45 340 154 186
*I included Galvin because of his recent return even though he's not strictly a defender because I was curious about his
While we are speaking of experience in the squad, Declan retired with 127 appearances, 110 of which were starts, 64 of which were championship starts, which is a serious chunk of battle-hardened experience at winning to lose in one fell swoop.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2015 20:40:06 GMT
Have an extra season ticket if anyone wants to get in for free. Could meet outside PUR. PM if you're interested.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 13:46:08 GMT
No doubt about ity Colm O'Neill is Corks best Footballer . He has everything . It will be a huge day for Mark Griffin and a major test for him . It is games and players like this that can tell if he makes the team for the Championship or will just be a sub or panel player . If Griffin can curtail him then Cork will go to Hurley who is another dangerous player and like Griffin Pa Kilkenny has a tough test ahead of him but these are the games that these players have to step up in if they want to keep their place . Mikey Geaney , BJ Keane , Jack Sherwood , John Lyne , and Brendan Kealy are in the same boat . It's games like Cork , Dublin , Mayo that you have to play well in because more than likely you will be meeting them again in August .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2015 14:03:51 GMT
By Dara O’Cinneide
If Cork had somebody to rope the wind, they might just have left Ballyshannon with a league point last Sunday.
In an excruciatingly deliberate game, which I watched for the second time in midweek, it was as if Cork had nobody to interpret the thermals, pitch one up and allow the wind to take it over the bar. Donegal had Michael Murphy from Glenswilly and Odhrán Mac Niallais from Gaoth Dobhair, no strangers to windy conditions and to nabbing a crucial score every now and then.
If Cork had somebody to scrape the skies, they might just have left Ballyshannon with two league points last Sunday.
In a game where Cork were understandably reluctant to engage in a horsing match against the Donegal midfield duo, Neil Gallagher only had to raise his paws in Ballyshannon and the O’Neills, as if by magic, nestled in his grasp. Another Glenswilly man putting in a big shift in early March.
If Cork had the guile to match their gusto and gumption all afternoon, they wouldn’t have gone from the 13th minute of the first half to the 25th minute of the second without any of their forwards scoring from play. That score late in the second half from Brian Hurley was the only score any of the Cork inside line got from play in the game. When one considers the inside line consisted of Colm O’Neill (four points from frees), Donncha O’Connor (one point from a free) and Hurley (a solitary score from play), this was surely a much smaller return than either they or their management would have expected. As they analyse their individual performances all week, I’m sure the Cork forwards will point to conditions that were less than ideal for feeding in or winning clean ball. There have been few better teams in the country than Donegal these past five seasons at clogging up the arteries to a decent inside line. Last Sunday, Donegal, with Mark and Ryan McHugh sweeping in front of O’Neill and Hurley all day, the blockages were severe and stifling.
There are some days, particularly in league football at windswept venues like Fr Tierney Park, that forwards need to make up their minds before they hit the pitch about what they want out of a game other than scores. I acknowledge that at times last Sunday, O’Neill and Hurley became isolated with an entire half-forward line and Donncha O’Connor filtering back. But that shouldn’t preclude either of them from getting genuine purchase on the man and/or the ball every time they move in to tackle. Nobody does this better than their counterpart, Michael Murphy — even if he did cross the line to the point of being sent off for two robust tackles.
Hurley seemed to discover the required approach almost by accident late in the game, when he expended a serious amount of energy hounding Anthony Thompson into turning over possession (a rare event for a Donegal half-back) but a minute into injury-time, the counter attack didn’t have enough conviction and Donegal got away with it.
In an ideal world, all attackers and all those, including myself, who would prefer to see quality players like O’Neill and Hurley getting proper service, want to see forwards keep 75% of their energy for attractive attacking play. But when that doesn’t happen, these idealists need to jettison principles and get stuck in. I imagine Brian Cuthbert and his management will have asked that at least 50% of their forwards’ energy is expended in tackling higher up the field. We should see more pressure on the Kerry backs tomorrow.
For starters, Cork have set up differently. The half-forward line of both O’Driscolls and John O’Rourke remains but the placing of Mark Collins at full forward is a nod not so much to the fact Cork needed more legs from their full forward but to the reality Collins was never going to compete physically with David Moran and Anthony Maher for kickouts. With the likes of Bryan Sheehan, Johnny Buckley and Jack Sherwood out around the middle, Collins might be required to forage outfield away from full forward tomorrow.
It was an indictment of Cork’s on-the-spot decision making last Sunday to see Collins line up shoulder to shoulder with Neil Gallagher for a hop-ball in the 27th minute. There was always only going to be one winner there. With due respect to Collins, he kicked Cork’s best score of the game within a minute of being swatted away. He might be still getting there physically, but he has the head for the game, no question.
The selection of Eoin Cadogan in the space vacated by Collins gives us an early heads-up on what to expect at midfield in Páirc Uí Rinn but will Ken O’Halloran dare to go direct on kick-outs after the job of work Kerry’s front six did on Seán Currie in Killarney last Sunday?
Three months ago in Austin Stack Park, Stephen O’Donoghue did as well as any opponent in the club championship on Kieran Donaghy. If at any stage tomorrow Michael Shields gets bogged down in the games being engaged in at the edge of the square, well, Cork have context and cause to try out the Ballincollig man on the Kerry captain. We might then see if November’s showing was more than just a flash in the pan.
Some of us are a little curious too, about whether or not Brian Hurley can repeat his incredible showing against Mark Griffin in the corresponding league fixture last season. Would it be too much to expect Cork to try and find out and for Kerry to allow the match-up to happen? Again, just to see if it was all just a flash in the pan.
One final observation based on the torture of watching the Cork-Donegal game. Has anyone noticed how many Cork players point to where they want the ball put immediately after releasing the ball themselves? Some may view it as a symptom of the hand-passing malaise sweeping the game right now, but there’s more to it than that.
When a player points to a pass beyond the one he’s already after giving, it seems to me a type of esprit de l’escalier; a classic case of being wise after the event. If the pass is so obvious to a player a split second after release, why can’t it be executed a split second earlier, without having to go through the middle-man? At the moment, Cork seem too have far too many players who describe the play and too few who are capable of seeing the play.
For Cork to win tomorrow they need to be more verb, less adjective. More doing; less describing. Recent history in their league encounters suggests Cork could surprise us all and give Kerry a right good tanking.
But the case for a Kerry win is more convincing.
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Post by leesider on Mar 7, 2015 14:25:39 GMT
Stephen O' Brien saying we are All-Ireland contenders?Please stop,my sides are hurting.Despite our good start,we could still go down if we lose tomorrow.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 7, 2015 14:46:52 GMT
That's one of the most ridiculous things I think I have ever read in Dara's article..........
He actually watched the Donegal Cork game TWICE !!!!!
Other than that though a typically excellent article.
It really is a shame he's hidden away on TG4.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 7, 2015 14:58:13 GMT
Stephen O' Brien saying we are All-Ireland contenders?Please stop,my sides are hurting.Despite our good start,we could still go down if we lose tomorrow. Well you are better than all bar probably one team in each province... Of course you are contenders. Ye are probably fourth favourites. Your hurlers probably the same but no doubt you consider them AI contenders.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 7, 2015 16:54:44 GMT
Stephen O' Brien saying we are All-Ireland contenders?Please stop,my sides are hurting.Despite our good start,we could still go down if we lose tomorrow. Well you are better than all bar probably one team in each province... Of course you are contenders. Ye are probably fourth favourites. Your hurlers probably the same but no doubt you consider them AI contenders. Current bookies odds are Dublin 11/8 Kerry 3/1 Mayo 13/2 Cork 9/1 Donegal 10/1 Galway 22/1
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 7, 2015 23:04:38 GMT
No doubt about ity Colm O'Neill is Corks best Footballer . He has everything . It will be a huge day for Mark Griffin and a major test for him . It is games and players like this that can tell if he makes the team for the Championship or will just be a sub or panel player . If Griffin can curtail him then Cork will go to Hurley who is another dangerous player and like Griffin Pa Kilkenny has a tough test ahead of him but these are the games that these players have to step up in if they want to keep their place . Mikey Geaney , BJ Keane , Jack Sherwood , John Lyne , and Brendan Kealy are in the same boat . It's games like Cork , Dublin , Mayo that you have to play well in because more than likely you will be meeting them again in August . I agree to a certain extent Crokes.
BUT!!! If the ball into the inside line on Sunday is snuffed out(Which is VERY possible given the two teamsheets) Where do you go from there? Im sure Brian Cuthbert will be on a defensive mindset.
We now have a bit of a comfort zone(In the NFL) where we can look at the likes of the 6 backs and keeper.
Come the championship(Whether it be 1st round in Munster or whatever) will be where the chips will fall.
Mahony, Marc, Crowley if all are fit, will be very hard to keep out of the 6 along with Kelly who has done nothing wrong.
I get the feeling that Eamon Fitz will be quite happy to give youth its head in defence and give fellas a chance for the Lámha Suas, like last year, BUT twas the old guard (Aidan, Marc) who won out.
A year on are we any closer to ousting the 2 old stagers?
Any thoughts?
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Post by leesider on Mar 7, 2015 23:21:49 GMT
Well you are better than all bar probably one team in each province... Of course you are contenders. Ye are probably fourth favourites. Your hurlers probably the same but no doubt you consider them AI contenders. Current bookies odds are Dublin 11/8 Kerry 3/1 Mayo 13/2 Cork 9/1 Donegal 10/1 Galway 22/1 Madness to have Cork as stronger favourites for the AI ahead of Donegal.I'm sure that will change before the start of the championship. I would have us as fifth favourites behind Kerry,Dublin,Mayo and Donegal. In response to you saying I'd make the hurlers one of the favourites for the AI,I'd make us third favourites behind KK and Tipp (I think we are slightly better than Limerick but not by much).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 23:38:41 GMT
Well I think Griffin and Kilkenny played well last Sunday . It was good experience for them and at only 23 and 24 they are still young . Whether we win Midfield or not there will still be some ball going into them . I don't expect us to dominate totally . Cork will have their chances to score . Marc and O'Mahony were very good last year but every year takes it's toll on the legs . They will both be 35 this year so we have to look at options . Sherwood has improved a lot from last year . I have been impressed with him . If he keeps playing the way he's playing he will be pushing hard for a spot come Championship time . It's hard to know if they are ready to oust the old guard only time will tell . There is serious competition in the Forwards . When Cooper and O'Donoghue come back you will have 11 or 12 good forwards to pick from . So if you don't perform in the League this year then you won't see too much playing time in the Summer . For me Mikey Geaney is not playing well enough right now to start in the summer I think he will be under pressure but a couple of good games in the next few weeks and it could change . BJ Keane is paying well . He won't make it in the Full Forward line so I think they need to look at him in the Half Forward line . Tommy Walsh will struggle to make it too . You have Cooper , Donaghy , O'Donoghue , Geaney and O'Brien in there already but who knows if he gets some form and we have Injuries he could start . Either way he will have a solid bench this year and that can only be good for the team . It's crazy to think we have forwards like Daithi Casey , Gavin O'Grady , Conor Keane , and Conor Cox not getting a look in . I think they would in a lot of Counties .
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 7, 2015 23:44:08 GMT
Would this current Cork side beat the likes of Tyrone Lee??
Organisation means a lot.
How organised do you feel you guys are are at this stage?
I am living in Cork a long time and I have never heard so many negatives about the current set up.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 7, 2015 23:53:55 GMT
Well I think Griffin and Kilkenny played well last Sunday . It was good experience for them and at only 23 and 24 they are still young . Whether we win Midfield or not there will still be some ball going into them . I don't expect us to dominate totally . Cork will have their chances to score . Marc and O'Mahony were very good last year but every year takes it's toll on the legs . They will both be 35 this year so we have to look at options . Sherwood has improved a lot from last year . I have been impressed with him . If he keeps playing the way he's playing he will be pushing hard for a spot come Championship time . It's hard to know if they are ready to oust the old guard only time will tell . There is serious competition in the Forwards . When Cooper and O'Donoghue come back you will have 11 or 12 good forwards to pick from . So if you don't perform in the League this year then you won't see too much playing time in the Summer . For me Mikey Geaney is not playing well enough right now to start in the summer I think he will be under pressure but a couple of good games in the next few weeks and it could change . BJ Keane is paying well . He won't make it in the Full Forward line so I think they need to look at him in the Half Forward line . Tommy Walsh will struggle to make it too . You have Cooper , Donaghy , O'Donoghue , Geaney and O'Brien in there already but who knows if he gets some form and we have Injuries he could start . Either way he will have a solid bench this year and that can only be good for the team . It's crazy to think we have forwards like Daithi Casey , Gavin O'Grady , Conor Keane , and Conor Cox not getting a look in . I think they would in a lot of Counties . Agree 1000%.
I think Gooch back at 13 is a given at this stage providing he finds fitness.
Sheehan for the first time in along time has NO winter backside(Arse). The man is fit and ready.11 has his name on it.
The 10 Geansai TOTALLY up for grabs.(Please give O Brien another go here)
Buckley seems to be benefitting with a clear run during the league, but himself and Tommy Walsh might be fighting with Donncadh for that jersey. Fitzy seems to favour the 12 in a 3rd midfielder roll.
So many options.
I agree Sherwood has been impressive so far but Crowley has to be the favourite for 6???
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 7, 2015 23:57:03 GMT
OMG maybe this is the wrong thread.....SORRY Admin :-)
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 8, 2015 1:58:56 GMT
Cork were fancied big time everywhere last year except at home so that may account for leesider's downbeat comments. Then again I'd never trust a Corkman if only because when I was a garsún a Cork lad told me that his father told him to "never trust a Kerryman" and right he was, I took the same advice myself!
That Tommy Walsh may not get a forward position, stranger things have happened but here's a quote that I challenge everyone in the house to remember come 5pm on 20th Sept 2015, "God laughs when when man plans", remember Star in that distant year that was 2014, I didn't see it coming but I could relate to what he went through and that made it even more exceptional, understandable.
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Post by glengael on Mar 8, 2015 13:17:51 GMT
Best of luck to all concerned today. Hopefully our drought at Flower Lodge will be ended.
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