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Post by leesider on Nov 7, 2014 9:53:52 GMT
Come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that Conor Counihan went to Noel O' Leary before we play Kerry and says "Right Noel I want you to give Galvin a few digs so he will give you a few back. It doesn't matter if you get the line yourself, I don't give a s***e as along as that fella gets the road at the same time. Sure you are useless anyway" Cop on like. Believe what ever suits you. It was taken a stage further in the 2012 QF in Killarney when McManamin was sent on as a blood sub and immediately started throwing punches at Galvin. Galvin had two choices. Stand his ground or run. The ref booked both. McManamin goes off immediately... mission accomplished as a blood sub . That's Tyrone not Cork so that's a different matter altogether. I don't believe that McManamin was acting under instructions from Mickey Harte on that occasion, it was more likely McManamin was acting on his own accord (he is a tramp after all). I still refuse to believe that Conor Counihan would use such a tactic and allow one of his own players to be sent off (especially with no guarantee the opposition player would be sent off also).
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Post by fitz on Nov 7, 2014 10:40:09 GMT
Come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that Conor Counihan went to Noel O' Leary before we play Kerry and says "Right Noel I want you to give Galvin a few digs so he will give you a few back. It doesn't matter if you get the line yourself, I don't give a s***e as along as that fella gets the road at the same time. Sure you are useless anyway" Cop on like. Believe what ever suits you. It was taken a stage further in the 2012 QF in Killarney when McManamin was sent on as a blood sub and immediately started throwing punches at Galvin. Galvin had two choices. Stand his ground or run. The ref booked both. McManamin goes off immediately... mission accomplished as a blood sub . Don't remember McMenamin going off Mick, he was there doing his nut when Curtin nailed Colm Cavanagh(a dirty blow) and didn't walk, and that was close to time up.
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 7, 2014 12:38:29 GMT
I think youre wrong there Mick, unless it happened in the first half? McMenamin certainly didnt go off before the finish because if you remember he kicked the ball into the stand either at the end or very near the end of the game as a kind of two finger jesture to the kerry fans who booed him everytime he got the ball.
I'd take Noellie any day as opposed to Ricey - I think Noellie was well aware of what he needed to do to stop Paul & did all he was able to do either within or outside the rules, Paul being Paul reacted & the rest is history, I would doubt that Counihan needed to tell him either as he was a big boy & well able to speak for himself. I've seen Donnachda Walsh get similar treatment from fellows but as a player he doesnt react the same way as Paul but Noellie knew he was going to get a reaction.
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Post by Chinatown on Nov 7, 2014 22:42:45 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 7, 2014 22:50:30 GMT
Galvin trying to look uncannily like either Ronnie Drew or Barney McKenna?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 8, 2014 1:04:37 GMT
Galvin would have been targeted as they knew he'd react.
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Post by Chinatown on Nov 8, 2014 8:54:09 GMT
Thought he was a bit uncertain over considered but that is the man
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 8, 2014 10:10:07 GMT
Galvin would have been targeted as they knew he'd react. Well that is his own fault and not where this debate started.
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Post by aranteorainn on Nov 8, 2014 12:49:20 GMT
Noelie obviously has no self respect to keep doing Counihans bidding on that tactic. Similarly, Counihan had no respect for Noelie and Paul makes that point.... Cork don't respect their players sometimes. I agree with PG fully on this. Come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that Conor Counihan went to Noel O' Leary before we play Kerry and says "Right Noel I want you to give Galvin a few digs so he will give you a few back. It doesn't matter if you get the line yourself, I don't give a s***e as along as that fella gets the road at the same time. Sure you are useless anyway" Cop on like. Silly to say that Counihan sent out O Leary to annoy PG , he annoyed himself , an auto starter.
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Post by seamo on Nov 10, 2014 22:41:39 GMT
Noelie obviously has no self respect to keep doing Counihans bidding on that tactic. Similarly, Counihan had no respect for Noelie and Paul makes that point.... Cork don't respect their players sometimes. I agree with PG fully on this. Come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that Conor Counihan went to Noel O' Leary before we play Kerry and says "Right Noel I want you to give Galvin a few digs so he will give you a few back. It doesn't matter if you get the line yourself, I don't give a s***e as along as that fella gets the road at the same time. Sure you are useless anyway" Cop on like. Well yeah! I've been saying that for years here. And Morgan before him.
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Post by fitz on Nov 11, 2014 10:42:23 GMT
Believe what ever suits you. It was taken a stage further in the 2012 QF in Killarney when McManamin was sent on as a blood sub and immediately started throwing punches at Galvin. Galvin had two choices. Stand his ground or run. The ref booked both. McManamin goes off immediately... mission accomplished as a blood sub . That's Tyrone not Cork so that's a different matter altogether. I don't believe that McManamin was acting under instructions from Mickey Harte on that occasion, it was more likely McManamin was acting on his own accord (he is a tramp after all). I still refuse to believe that Conor Counihan would use such a tactic and allow one of his own players to be sent off (especially with no guarantee the opposition player would be sent off also). It's definitely debatable Lee, Cadogan made very special efforts to tangle with Galvin at every opportunity. I remember no mention of Cadogan roaring vehemence, with flying spittle in Paul's face in fishookgate in the Munster final, when Tohill held court that night on the Sunday Game. O'Leary always struck me as a man who would perform any duty requested, although I totally agree it is insulting to the man, I could definitely see him agreeing to it, for the benefit of the team
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 11, 2014 11:19:17 GMT
That's Tyrone not Cork so that's a different matter altogether. I don't believe that McManamin was acting under instructions from Mickey Harte on that occasion, it was more likely McManamin was acting on his own accord (he is a tramp after all). I still refuse to believe that Conor Counihan would use such a tactic and allow one of his own players to be sent off (especially with no guarantee the opposition player would be sent off also). It's definitely debatable Lee, Cadogan made very special efforts to tangle with Galvin at every opportunity. I remember no mention of Cadogan roaring vehemence, with flying spittle in Paul's face in fishookgate in the Munster final, when Tohill held court that night on the Sunday Game. O'Leary always struck me as a man who would perform any duty requested, although I totally agree it is insulting to the man, I could definitely see him agreeing to it, for the benefit of the team Paul Galvin mentions in the book that Cadogan wasn't shouting at all, he just stayed silent. I had thought all along that Eoin Cadogan's shouting was the reason for the fishhook so I wasn't too impressed to find out that there wasn't very much provocation that caused the fishhook.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 11, 2014 11:44:47 GMT
We played Cork in Cork a few years ago- Canty got sent off (second yellow for a trip), his first card was evidence of a tactic to try wind -up Galvin. Canty was introduced as a sub at centre back and runs straight out TO galvin at wing forward (who is already marked) and tries to start a scrap.
Whether people want to believe that it was on instruction of the coach or on the players initiative is irrelevant as the coach can easily nip that in the bud but it never was and Cork continued down the same path every year. The Noel O Leary thing became a bit of a joke eventually as Cork would wheel him out for his customary scrap with Galvin each year.
If Cork were worried about him getting sent off then dont put him on Galvin but- they werent and they kept to the same tactic every year. They were willing to sacrifice him for Galvin and to be honest it was just good management as the referees werent strong enough to deal with the problem and will always adhere to the worst, most idiotic rule in GAA- the yellow card each rule.
Some clown starts wrestling you to the ground and you try to hold him off- yellow each Some guy grabs you by the shirt and starts squaring up to you and you push him away- yellow each.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 11, 2014 12:37:27 GMT
We played Cork in Cork a few years ago- Canty got sent off (second yellow for a trip), his first card was evidence of a tactic to try wind -up Galvin. Canty was introduced as a sub at centre back and runs straight out TO galvin at wing forward (who is already marked) and tries to start a scrap. Whether people want to believe that it was on instruction of the coach or on the players initiative is irrelevant as the coach can easily nip that in the bud but it never was and Cork continued down the same path every year. The Noel O Leary thing became a bit of a joke eventually as Cork would wheel him out for his customary scrap with Galvin each year. If Cork were worried about him getting sent off then dont put him on Galvin but- they werent and they kept to the same tactic every year. They were willing to sacrifice him for Galvin and to be honest it was just good management as the referees werent strong enough to deal with the problem and will always adhere to the worst, most idiotic rule in GAA- the yellow card each rule. Some clown starts wrestling you to the ground and you try to hold him off- yellow each Some guy grabs you by the shirt and starts squaring up to you and you push him away- yellow each. It certainly got to a stage where familiarity bred contempt between the players - the 2007 to 2011 period was particularly nasty (on both sides) and the "friendly" relationship between both sets of supporters was also tested to the maximum. If memory serves me right, we met in the championship 3 times in 06, twice in 07, 3 times in 08, 3 times in 09, twice in 2010 and thankfully only once in 2011. The league game where Galvin and Cadogan were sent off (in the wrong) at Pairc Ui Rinn was case in point. I've never experienced hostility towards a player like Galvin got from the crowd that night. All I will say is I hope any of his family weren't listening to what was being said about him. After all the trouble Galvin had got himself into, my opinion was that he was fair game for retribution on the pitch and slagging off it but what went on that night was way over the top. When I challenged an individual about what he was saying he eventually shut up, which was after a steward had intervened and told me to "f-off back to Kerry".
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 11, 2014 13:56:47 GMT
We played Cork in Cork a few years ago- Canty got sent off (second yellow for a trip), his first card was evidence of a tactic to try wind -up Galvin. Canty was introduced as a sub at centre back and runs straight out TO galvin at wing forward (who is already marked) and tries to start a scrap. Whether people want to believe that it was on instruction of the coach or on the players initiative is irrelevant as the coach can easily nip that in the bud but it never was and Cork continued down the same path every year. The Noel O Leary thing became a bit of a joke eventually as Cork would wheel him out for his customary scrap with Galvin each year. If Cork were worried about him getting sent off then dont put him on Galvin but- they werent and they kept to the same tactic every year. They were willing to sacrifice him for Galvin and to be honest it was just good management as the referees werent strong enough to deal with the problem and will always adhere to the worst, most idiotic rule in GAA- the yellow card each rule. Some clown starts wrestling you to the ground and you try to hold him off- yellow each Some guy grabs you by the shirt and starts squaring up to you and you push him away- yellow each. It certainly got to a stage where familiarity bred contempt between the players - the 2007 to 2011 period was particularly nasty (on both sides) and the "friendly" relationship between both sets of supporters was also tested to the maximum. If memory serves me right, we met in the championship 3 times in 06, twice in 07, 3 times in 08, 3 times in 09, twice in 2010 and thankfully only once in 2011. The league game where Galvin and Cadogan were sent off (in the wrong) at Pairc Ui Rinn was case in point. I've never experienced hostility towards a player like Galvin got from the crowd that night. All I will say is I hope any of his family weren't listening to what was being said about him. After all the trouble Galvin had got himself into, my opinion was that he was fair game for retribution on the pitch and slagging off it but what went on that night was way over the top. When I challenged an individual about what he was saying he eventually shut up, which was after a steward had intervened and told me to "f-off back to Kerry". Canty's behaviour is evidence that it was a tactic in my opinion. I can remember the outcry from Cork fans on his sending off that day- I commented on here that people needed to forget his second yellow and concentrate on the first one - as he has picked up a stupid yellow card by acting like a tramp
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Post by fitz on Nov 11, 2014 17:12:46 GMT
It's definitely debatable Lee, Cadogan made very special efforts to tangle with Galvin at every opportunity. I remember no mention of Cadogan roaring vehemence, with flying spittle in Paul's face in fishookgate in the Munster final, when Tohill held court that night on the Sunday Game. O'Leary always struck me as a man who would perform any duty requested, although I totally agree it is insulting to the man, I could definitely see him agreeing to it, for the benefit of the team Paul Galvin mentions in the book that Cadogan wasn't shouting at all, he just stayed silent. I had thought all along that Eoin Cadogan's shouting was the reason for the fishhook so I wasn't too impressed to find out that there wasn't very much provocation that caused the fishhook. Certainly looked the most effort ever expended dishing out silence. Cadogan face picture = "bellow" for me.
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Post by leesider on Nov 11, 2014 18:30:49 GMT
I agree that Canty was stupid to do what he did that day. I was at that match (2010 Munster semi-final replay) and the very second Galvin came on Canty went over to him and gave him a few digs. The ref booked him (I can't remember if Galvin was booked or not). I remember saying to the fella beside me that Canty shouldn't have done that and should just get on with his own game. He suffered for it later when he tripped Cooper and got a second yellow. It was a harsh yellow in my opinion as Cooper came from behind him and he couldn't see him. Still though if you are on a yellow you have to watch your step and if he had left Galvin alone it would just have been a first yellow. I have no doubt that some Cork players were instructed to wind up Galvin because we know he has a suspect temperament but I very definitely do not think that they were instructed to wind him up even if it meant getting themselves sent off. The Canty incident showed how self-defeating this can be. It's more likely they were told to wind him up with verbals and stuff that the referee could not punish them for. In my opinion Galvin put forward this notion that Counihan told Noel O' Leary to get him sent off (even if it meant O' Leary himself being sent off) because it suits Galvin's ego to think this. "I'm so important that the opposition are prepared to sacrifice themselves so I can be taken out of the game" Sorry Paul, hate to disappoint you but that ain't the case. By the way there was verbal provocation during the match from Cadogan (he and Galvin were mouthing at each other constantly during that match). This indirectly led to the fishhook.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 11, 2014 20:57:30 GMT
and to be fair to leesider, it has to be said that Tadgh's book had come out at the end of 2009 and stirred the pot no end. Tadhg did Paul no favours with his pathetic book and TV interview in Oz where he almost gloats about that awful hit on Nicholas Murphy.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 11, 2014 21:13:16 GMT
Enjoyable and interesting read, well worth the time taken to read it. I have no reason to doubt that it is not an accurate and honest reflection of his time in the Green and Gold jersey and the many incidents. Good to see that he has moved on beyond football without harbouring any regrets. A top man in my opinion. I thought the writing in the book flowed more naturally and with more passion when discussing fashion rather than the football itself, which I found interesting. The football seemed to be like an obsession driving him on to become great, the fashion, a passion that flows his juices more easily. Regardless, we will never forgot his vision to be a disruptive thinker for the greater good of the team. Paul knows his place, his standing in the game and what he has achieved. It was refreshing to follow his story as he articulated it in his writing throughout the book.
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Post by southward on Nov 11, 2014 21:58:36 GMT
I agree that Canty was stupid to do what he did that day. I was at that match (2010 Munster semi-final replay) and the very second Galvin came on Canty went over to him and gave him a few digs. The ref booked him (I can't remember if Galvin was booked or not). I remember saying to the fella beside me that Canty shouldn't have done that and should just get on with his own game. He suffered for it later when he tripped Cooper and got a second yellow. It was a harsh yellow in my opinion as Cooper came from behind him and he couldn't see him. Still though if you are on a yellow you have to watch your step and if he had left Galvin alone it would just have been a first yellow. I have no doubt that some Cork players were instructed to wind up Galvin because we know he has a suspect temperament but I very definitely do not think that they were instructed to wind him up even if it meant getting themselves sent off. The Canty incident showed how self-defeating this can be. I t's more likely they were told to wind him up with verbals and stuff that the referee could not punish them for. In my opinion Galvin put forward this notion that Counihan told Noel O' Leary to get him sent off (even if it meant O' Leary himself being sent off) because it suits Galvin's ego to think this. "I'm so important that the opposition are prepared to sacrifice themselves so I can be taken out of the game" Sorry Paul, hate to disappoint you but that ain't the case.By the way there was verbal provocation during the match from Cadogan (he and Galvin were mouthing at each other constantly during that match). This indirectly led to the fishhook. I think that'd an honest assessment of the situation by Galvin rather than an ego trip. To say the least, Noelie was no Maurice Fitz and everyone, himself included, knew it. O'Leary and Galvin both getting the line was a good deal for Cork any day.
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 12, 2014 0:27:26 GMT
While Galvin got a lot of hassle on the pitch, a lot of players got a lot worse without a fraction of the controversy. The likes of Maurice Fitz took it on the chin day in day out. Up north the likes of Mickey Linden and Peter Canavan would have taken a lot worse, off bigger and dirtier players their entire careers.
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Post by dano on Nov 12, 2014 2:26:40 GMT
Paul , at his best, was lethal in winning breaking ball. He was most lethal against Cork. It was worth it if NOL rattled him or got him booked. NOl was good too, just not as good as Paul. His book is, in my opinion, an honest account of what happened.
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Post by fitz on Nov 12, 2014 20:30:57 GMT
While Galvin got a lot of hassle on the pitch, a lot of players got a lot worse without a fraction of the controversy. The likes of Maurice Fitz took it on the chin day in day out. Up north the likes of Mickey Linden and Peter Canavan would have taken a lot worse, off bigger and dirtier players their entire careers. That's true Jo, but that doesn't make it right or the recommended way to deal with it, namely that f***in bullying limited oafs get to knock your bawlix in all day and you keep quiet about it, suffer the road and hope the ref comes to your aid. Galvin simply met fire with fire, he started a few of them of course too. To be fair to Canavan, apart from being a brilliant player he's a tough man and was well able to look after himself (to a point re: Jason Akermanis), knocked a lad out in the showers after a club match one night (not representing that as an act of class, but he could descend to the darkness and could deal with most guttersnipes who'd come calling. Mickey Linden - ah jaysis, world class, like wee James.
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 13, 2014 19:50:57 GMT
Just finished it. Very enjoyable book. What book will I get next though?
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Post by glengael on Nov 15, 2014 13:47:39 GMT
Just finished it. Very enjoyable book. What book will I get next though? Maybe Anthony Daly's book?
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 16, 2014 0:30:29 GMT
Not a bad option. Just started one about Jacques Anquetil.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2014 22:06:05 GMT
Yip, had a browse in Easons, Paul hits the spot alright but then again that's what it would be like.
If you want to read theory on the great game, this is not the book.
If on the other hand you are into the practicalities of the great game and nailing the opposition to the cross, then this is the one. If my auld lad was still to the good he'd enjoy it, not sure about Paul's haircut though!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 11, 2014 10:13:48 GMT
Came in the post for a Kris Kindel and it's very good.
A lot more talk about football than I thought there would be.
Also it is very well written and easy to read. The voice I hear is not the voice I thought he had.
Not a 100 page effort either: nearly 250 pages and plenty of bang for the buck. A few years ago I thought he might end up on television but then thought not when I saw him on screen. I know he does lots of things but he is a good author and could write books on diverse topics.
Looking at book sales he has sold 4000 copies in four weeks and the word will spread on the quality.
Beir Bua!
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Post by veteran on Dec 11, 2014 13:18:18 GMT
Came in the post for a Kris Kindel and it's very good. A lot more talk about football than I thought there would be. Also it is very well written and easy to read. The voice I hear is not the voice I thought he had. Not a 100 page effort either: nearly 250 pages and plenty of bang for the buck. A few years ago I thought he might end up on television but then thought not when I saw him on screen. I know he does lots of things but he is a good author and could write books on diverse topics. Looking at book sales he has sold 4000 copies in four weeks and the word will spread on the quality. Beir Bua! I concur with above. I tend to shy away from sports books as most of them tend to be boringly syrupy. Jack O'Connor's was an exception. Paul's book is exceptional. It is exceptional in the first instance because he wrote it himself. To say it is well written is to understate it because parts of it are sublime. It reflects a man of deep intelligence with diverse interests of which Kerry football forms just one segment, albeit a passionate one. A creative mind is revealed which of course was frequently exhibited on the field of play. Unwavering loyalty to his team mates is demonstrated but significantly this loyalty is not confined to his high profile Kerry colleagues but to all hurling and football friends with which he played from when he was just a nipper. Clearly, Paul, in spite of all the fame and notoriety which accrued to him has not forgotten family and childhood friends. A testament to anybody who has attained celebrity status. Go out and buy it. Apart from putting a few well earned euro his way, you will experience one of the better sports books, far superior to the more hyped drivel you may waste your money on.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 14, 2014 8:51:34 GMT
And its not everyday that you get references to Curraheen in the printed word. Unless you want to count the ESB bill
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