pony
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Post by pony on Aug 28, 2007 11:49:54 GMT
god lads it could be a very poor game, if both teams do as they did in their respective semi-finals and bring out the full forwards it will get very bunched altogether.
if cuseen does come out the feild tom o sull should drop back for short kickouts from murphy.
this will also cut the cork midfield out of it from our kick outs at least.
do ye think donaghy will come out again?
i know we ended up getting a goal the last day but i think our forwards are in general too far away from the opp goal, making goal chances very limited. if donaghy does move out the field he needs to be replaced inside.
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Post by KY50 on Aug 28, 2007 11:58:03 GMT
I am worried about this game. We beat a poor Dublin team that consisted of Jayo who would not get on the Kerry or Cork teams. I rate Cork much higher than Dublin. The Dubs were overhyped and were very lucky to beat Meath who in turn were hammered by Cork. We just about beat the Dubs.
Cork have a much stronger defence, Canty V McConnell, Spillane v Cullen, overall Corks defence and midfield are much stronger than Dublins and their forwards are probably slightly better. Masters will be fit and Goulding, McMahon, O Connor and others can score. Billy also had an opportunity to study Kerry last Sunday. Cork will not give us space and will target our big game players and also have an extra incentive to beat us as they claim they were robbed in Munster. Also Billy is the last Manager to win back to back titles and will not want to relenquish that record easily and they are very, very confident
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Post by kerryman on Aug 28, 2007 12:35:55 GMT
Welcome back Tom. Clearly your new employer isn't paying you per post on the forum.
As for the final, I'd be happy enough if they started with the same 15 that started the semi final. However, I hope the training matches over the next couple of weeks are played in the same "spirit" as last year.
I agree that Cork are a better team than Dublin (probably a par in the forwards but better everywhere else barring in goal) and the Kerry players on form will have to start.
I'm sure that Pat O'Shea n' friends won't decide for a couple of weeks. Pity Brendan Guiney isn't there to get Galvin "ready" again.
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Post by Jose on Aug 28, 2007 12:36:56 GMT
ya can't see the game being a classic but who cares once we get the right result fairly apprehensive bout this one though. midfield is going to be interesting. anyone agree that donaghy could start with dara at mid-field (tough on scanlon i know,who hasn't done too mush wrong) with mike frank ,sheehan, gooch in full forward line? i don't think sheehan has the pace for corner-forward. PS: fair play to sean and darren o sullivan who keep answering the call!!
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 12:42:03 GMT
ya can't see the game being a classic but who cares once we get the right result fairly apprehensive bout this one though. midfield is going to be interesting. anyone agree that donaghy could start with dara at mid-field (tough on scanlon i know,who hasn't done too mush wrong) with mike frank ,sheehan, gooch in full forward line? i don't think sheehan has the pace for corner-forward. PS: fair play to sean and darren o sullivan who keep answering the call!! spot on sheehan destroyed henrey supposodely d dubs best back and he is very strong
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Post by kerryman on Aug 28, 2007 12:43:59 GMT
ya can't see the game being a classic but who cares once we get the right result fairly apprehensive bout this one though. midfield is going to be interesting. anyone agree that donaghy could start with dara at mid-field (tough on scanlon i know,who hasn't done too mush wrong) with mike frank ,sheehan, gooch in full forward line? i don't think sheehan has the pace for corner-forward. PS: fair play to sean and darren o sullivan who keep answering the call!! Very much agree with the comment on Sean and Darren. They might only play 10 minutes at a time but a tiring half back trying to mark those 2 whippets is worth a huge amount to Kerry's chances in every game. As soon as Darren got the ball near the final whistle he was either guaranteed a score or a free. I don't think the final will be high scoring but I think it will be a classic. The intensity will leave Kerry/Dublin in the ha'penny place.
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Post by 63587614 on Aug 28, 2007 12:49:55 GMT
I don't know about Tyrone being better than Kerry. Our selectors cost us that day. Why didn't they throw in the likes of Big Quirke or Donaghy that day i'll never know. I remember the league game that yr when Quirke caused the Tyrone boys all sorts of problems. Remember Kerry in the last 4 Finals in a row. We should be emulating the great Kerry teams of the past and contest a 5 in a row.
This is the greatest squad of our generation, Tyrone, Armagh are finished while Kerry will most certainly contest more finals.
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 12:52:26 GMT
Sheahan put in a class performance the last day and for frees alone he is solid gold.
If Cork Move Cussen out I'd have Reidy follow him. Leave Tom Sullivan and Marc as our two corner backs for Masters/Goulding and O'Connor.
Then have Mahoney move out on Cussen let Tom Se drop into the centre on Pierce O'Neill and have Reidy and Young on both wings.
Tom looked all at sea there when they moved him out in the Munster Final. And Reidy was exposed at the back as he has no experience at this level in a two man full back line and it's quite a challenge in your first year.
If we still aren't winning ball with these changes we can always slot Griffin in.
I always felt Cork are stronger than Dublin. However they lack natural flair in the forward line to truly expose the space in Croke Park. It's all about who picks up the ball around the middle.
There would be little point in moving Donnaghy out if Canty follows him as you are only increasing Cork's presence around there.
If we even get 40% of the ball out there and supply Gooch and Donnaghy a la Sunday except more consistently we will have little problems overcoming this Cork team. Kieran O'Connor will foul Gooch all day and Sheahan will slot frees all day.
Cork have no experience in this situation either and whilst stronger than last year you would have to fancy us to win.
Glad to hear that McEneaney is reffing. He is the best around.
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 15:59:35 GMT
Kerryman, I'll give you a right Cork comment now.... The only reason Cluxton is rated above Quirke (besides being from Dublin) is because he is more well know. Quirkes kickouts may have been a little poor the last day, but he is only coming back from injury. Other than that, the amount of clean sheets he has, should be testiment of the good goal keeper he is. End of rant...... thats because he has a fairly good defence in front of him and cork have only met one good team this year kerry
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Post by paddycagney on Aug 28, 2007 16:56:10 GMT
I was disappointed but admittedly not surprised to note the absence of a 6 page thread on the incident by Paul Galvin last Sunday ala Noel O Leary the previous week. I suppose its only cheating if you get caught and you cant be seen to be having a go at one of your own (last year and Declan O Sullivan apart of course). I would reckon there will be more cameras on the two of them in the final than the front gates of the US Embassy in Baghdad. The rest of both teams should be able to get away with murder.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2007 20:35:21 GMT
Paul Galvin now more sinned against than sinning. He is volatile and if you needle him he will take his mind of football.......
He made a name for himself and is paying the price now.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2007 20:57:13 GMT
ye will all love paul galvin after the final after he has just spent 76 minutes winning the scour balls nobody else want to know about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 21:25:29 GMT
There must be a chapter dedicated to Noel O'Leary in his black book at this stage!
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Post by kingdomkerry on Aug 28, 2007 21:26:17 GMT
impossible to convey his importance to the team. A player needed on every half forward line!
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Post by peig on Aug 28, 2007 21:58:12 GMT
Any word on the ref yet?
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 22:01:46 GMT
More than likely McEneaney according to the papers
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Post by A.N. Other on Aug 28, 2007 22:28:27 GMT
More than likely McEneaney according to the papers It better be best referee in the country if you ask me!!
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 23:13:16 GMT
more power to paul and continue adding names to his list.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 28, 2007 23:53:57 GMT
Kerryman, I'll give you a right Cork comment now.... The only reason Cluxton is rated above Quirke (besides being from Dublin) is because he is more well know. Quirkes kickouts may have been a little poor the last day, but he is only coming back from injury. Other than that, the amount of clean sheets he has, should be testiment of the good goal keeper he is. End of rant...... thats because he has a fairly good defence in front of him and cork have only met one good team this year kerry Quirke didn't play against Kerry this year because he got injured against Limerick. However he did play against ye 5 times last year, and Kerry didn't score any goals. As for a good defence, I suppose he does, but he still has to stop the ball himself!
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 23:58:05 GMT
thats because he has a fairly good defence in front of him and cork have only met one good team this year kerry Quirke didn't play against Kerry this year because he got injured against Limerick. However he did play against ye 5 times last year, and Kerry didn't score any goals. As for a good defence, I suppose he does, but he still has to stop the ball himself! o yea itwas paddy o shea
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2007 9:22:51 GMT
must admit that i cant focus on the final yet......... hard to switch off from the dubs game.
I will watch the munster final again and see what can be gleaned from that.
the thing is............ were both sides shadow boxing in that game
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2007 10:47:08 GMT
Corks path to the final,beat tipp,limerick,lost to kerry,beat louth,sligo,meath. limerick were relegated,meath are div 2 league champions,theres a lack of solid div1 status about the teams cork have beaten this summer. how good are cork? ?? dublin relegated to div 2 of the national league during the spring didnt have the answers last sunday when the big question were asked,maybe league form is more significant than thought previously as an indicator to the real status of a teams worth. cork played limerick in a religation battle in the last game of the league near the foot of the div.1 table.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 29, 2007 10:56:57 GMT
mayo. donegal, galway and kildare are the four teams who made up the national league semi finals, therefore were the form teams from the league. How important was that form to them in championship???
the league will mean absolutely jack s**t when the teams are parading around Croke Park on Sept. 16th
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 29, 2007 11:06:08 GMT
In the last few years, you would have thought it had some bearing. I don't know what went wrong this year. Although... maybe the way Cork played against Tyrone should have been a sign of things to come... only messing! I don't know what got into them that night.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 29, 2007 11:15:23 GMT
Corks path to the final,beat tipp,limerick,lost to kerry,beat louth,sligo,meath. limerick were relegated,meath are div 2 league champions,theres a lack of solid div1 status about the teams cork have beaten this summer. how good are cork? ?? dublin relegated to div 2 of the national league during the spring didnt have the answers last sunday when the big question were asked,maybe league form is more significant than thought previously as an indicator to the real status of a teams worth. cork played limerick in a religation battle in the last game of the league near the foot of the div.1 table. Don't start with this please. They are the only team to beat us in the last 2 championships and with a bit of fortune the could have beaten us this year. When our fans start feeling cocky its a bad sign. We beat Monaghan by a point and Dublin by 2, so what? It'll mean sweet FA if we lose to Cork the next day. While Dublin were a well motivated team and well prepared, Cork have a better defence, much better midfield, better forward line and crucially Billy Morgan is far cuter than Pillar Caffrey. This will be a tough one.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2007 11:21:37 GMT
theres no one being cocky,it was a simple question,how good are cork?
league form was very important up to this year,armagh,tyrone,kerry and mayo two time finalists in recent years won the league in the last few years,two time all-ireland winners galway contested 3 league finals in recent years,league form is more siginifant than you might think,granted not as important this year.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 29, 2007 11:27:05 GMT
theres no one being cocky,it was a simple question,how good are cork? league form was very important up to this year,armagh,tyrone,kerry and mayo two time finalists in recent years won the league in the last few years,two time all-ireland winners galway contested 3 league finals in recent years,league form is more siginifant than you might think,granted not as important this year. Certainly didn't do much for Donegal!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2007 11:29:26 GMT
thats their issue
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2007 12:30:33 GMT
you are probably right in the bit below ardfertnarie.......... although I though the Dubs forwards were good
While Dublin were a well motivated team and well prepared, Cork have a better defence, much better midfield, better forward line and crucially Billy Morgan is far cuter than Pillar Caffrey.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2007 12:31:35 GMT
What next kerrygold........ 5 in a row T shirts.........
complacency is the biggest danger in sport
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