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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 16, 2012 14:48:20 GMT
I love these threads when a player gets criticised for a whole defeat over something like a 45- it makes it easier to identify who has an agenda on the board and who's comments are worth ignoring.
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Post by falveyb2k on Apr 16, 2012 15:27:33 GMT
Like jack said it was one miss hit pass, it wasn't like kieran deliberately did it! Kerry don't deliberately go backwards, it's just on a few occasions recently they've turned it over and been punished for it. I would be much more worried if teams were destroying us out the field and coming at us in waves but they're not. Remember there's no all irelands won in april!
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Post by falveyb2k on Apr 16, 2012 15:28:47 GMT
Jack O'Connor refused to criticise Kieran Donaghy after his misplaced kick handed Mayo a lifeline in yesterday's Allianz Football League semi-final.
Kerry looked to be on their way to victory until Donaghy's mis-kick in front of goal resulted in Alan Dillon being awarded a penalty, which Pat Harte converted to bring Mayo back from the dead, and they eventually prevailed after extra-time.
Asked if Donaghy was disappointed, Kerry manager O'Connor replied: "That is an understatement.
"Look, it was one of those things. He was trying to do the right thing I suppose.
"He miscued it a bit. It was like a slice in golf, he did not mean it to go like that. It was one of those things."
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 16, 2012 15:42:27 GMT
First things first; the referee or no one mistake cost Kerry the game yesterday. We lost due to collective sloppiness and poor decision making coming down the stretch.
I wouldn’t put any blame on Kieran Donaghy for the penalty. While it was a reckless ball across the goal I would be more inclined to ask what he was doing back there? If he was meant to be at full forward at that stage? This tactic of defending a lead is suicidal. Not only are pulling our forwards away from the opposition goal but, we are inviting the opposition to run at us which has been causing problems for the last few years. Kieran Donaghy is an inter-county full forward and nothing else. Either play him there and let him drift out a bit at times or don’t play him at all. It is not doing him or the team any service. For the bit of time he spent in there yesterday he was very good. It’s not a slight on the man but, he’s a full forward and that’s that. It’s the same as playing Killian Young in the corner.
Our full back line was ok yesterday but Killian is not a corner back and was roasted in the first half. Enright came into the game and gave a good display and Marc was his usual self. Crowley did well and I feel he might have nailed down a starting spot.
Both Aidan O’Mahony and Brosnan struggled at centre back. Mayo pulled them out of position and careered through the gaping hole that was left. Maguire was solid even if his passing was wayward at times.
Midfield played well but to expect the two lads to play the whole game including extra time shows how short we are for cover in the area. Maher did well in the air and I though Sheehan linked the play well. I wouldn’t worry about the missed 45. The man had just played about 100 mins of football including injury time in the most demanding position on the pitch. He can’t slot them every time.
Darren never really got going in the half forward line and I have to say I think Paul Galvin has gone back a bit in the last few months. As always he will win the breaks but his distribution leaves a lot to be desired at times.
Kieran O’Leary did well and showed for ball constantly. Paddy Curtin too had a fine game and was unlucky to be taken off. Cooper was ok but I feel he hasn't reached his pitch yet which is fine given its only April.
Our subs did well especially James O’Donoghue and BJK made a big impact. I was nice to see Donnachadha come back from his lay off and the game will bring him on some. Lyne and Buckley also did ok.
I thought the sideline was fairly poor and we need to stop defending leads and go for the jugular. I presume there are a lot of hand passing drills in training but, we are overly reliant on it.
Looking to the championship; we either need a full back to release Marc to the corner or get Tom O’Sullivan to come back. We need to devise a strategy of what to do when our centre back is being pulled out of the middle. We need adequate midfield backup: whether it be Scanlon or buckley. Donaghy needs to play full forward and nowhere else.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 16, 2012 15:52:45 GMT
We'll just have to put it down as a bad week for Kerry football: minors, U21s and Seniors all beaten at home!
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 16, 2012 16:00:59 GMT
First things first; the referee or no one mistake cost Kerry the game yesterday. We lost due to collective sloppiness and poor decision making coming down the stretch. I wouldn’t put any blame on Kieran Donaghy for the penalty. While it was a reckless ball across the goal I would be more inclined to ask what he was doing back there? If he was meant to be at full forward at that stage? This tactic of defending a lead is suicidal. Not only are pulling our forwards away from the opposition goal but, we are inviting the opposition to run at us which has been causing problems for the last few years. Kieran Donaghy is an inter-county full forward and nothing else. Either play him there and let him drift out a bit at times or don’t play him at all. It is not doing him or the team any service. For the bit of time he spent in there yesterday he was very good. It’s not a slight on the man but, he’s a full forward and that’s that. It’s the same as playing Killian Young in the corner. Our full back line was ok yesterday but Killian is not a corner back and was roasted in the first half. Enright came into the game and gave a good display and Marc was his usual self. Crowley did well and I feel he might have nailed down a starting spot. Both Aidan O’Mahony and Brosnan struggled at centre back. Mayo pulled them out of position and careered through the gaping hole that was left. Maguire was solid even if his passing was wayward at times. Midfield played well but to expect the two lads to play the whole game including extra time shows how short we are for cover in the area. Maher did well in the air and I though Sheehan linked the play well. I wouldn’t worry about the missed 45. The man had just played about 100 mins of football including injury time in the most demanding position on the pitch. He can’t slot them every time. Darren never really got going in the half forward line and I have to say I think Paul Galvin has gone back a bit in the last few months. As always he will win the breaks but his distribution leaves a lot to be desired at times. Kieran O’Leary did well and showed for ball constantly. Paddy Curtin too had a fine game and was unlucky to be taken off. Cooper was ok but I feel he hasn't reached his pitch yet which is fine given its only April. Our subs did well especially James O’Donoghue and BJK made a big impact. I was nice to see Donnachadha come back from his lay off and the game will bring him on some. Lyne and Buckley also did ok. I thought the sideline was fairly poor and we need to stop defending leads and go for the jugular. I presume there are a lot of hand passing drills in training but, we are overly reliant on it. Looking to the championship; we either need a full back to release Marc to the corner or get Tom O’Sullivan to come back. We need to devise a strategy of what to do when our centre back is being pulled out of the middle. We need adequate midfield backup: whether it be Scanlon or buckley. Donaghy needs to play full forward and nowhere else. 100% agree with you Attacking Wing Back, well said.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 16, 2012 16:46:35 GMT
Attacking Wing Back.
You say Curtain had a "fine" game, Leary did "well" but Gooch was "ok". Going by that are you saying Gooch had the least impact on the game of the 3?
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Post by kerry4life on Apr 16, 2012 17:19:09 GMT
I think kerry are in trouble . They don't have the same players coming through to replace the older players . In the 90s we were very good underage and a lot of good players came through but they are all starting to retire and when they are all gone i think we are in big trouble . I agree we need more young lads stepping up. I hear alot of people saying bring back Tom O Sullivan, then what do we do next year. We need to build for the future. I know the present is important but so is the future, we are in huge trouble if we have to replace 4 or 5 players in the next year or two especially when the young lads dont have the experience.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 16, 2012 17:29:59 GMT
Attacking Wing Back. You say Curtain had a "fine" game, Leary did "well" but Gooch was "ok". Going by that are you saying Gooch had the least impact on the game of the 3? I meant by gooch standards. I wouldn't hold many up to same standard. Especially curtin on his first yr.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Apr 16, 2012 18:31:12 GMT
Several times yesterday Darran went to step on the gas but it wasn't there. He was a little frustrated with himself, at times, also. Maybe he is trying too hard to reach the heights of last year too soon.
Mayo played some fantastic football and it has to be said that they used the space very well up front, for a change. Players were making unselfish runs off the ball in order to make space for Conroy and Mortimer up front. Andy Moran was his usual bustling bristling self and some of his deliveries were top drawer. This is a very different Mayo side, a side that believes in a solid work ethic to bolster their undoubted skill. There is less of the flashy individualism and a lot more in the way of team effort. Hopefully this will not be another false dawn for them. James Horans will know that he can't afford to let the result cloud the weaker areas of their performance. Still plenty of room for improvement.
Poor Star, it was a bad mistake to make. Nobody knows that better than himself. However, one thing I'm sure that the management will have been reminded of yesterday is that he is very menacing around the goal, when given the right ball. He caused panic around the goalmouth yesterday and that shouldn't be forgotten by the kick 'em when they are down brigade.
Anthony Maher was immense yesterday at midfield. Galvin showed signs of coming back to something like his old form. Sheehan was good. The Gooch wasnt fully tuned up yesterday either, no need to be this early in the year. I thought Enright settled well after an uncomfortable opening 15. Peter Crowley did well for the most part and Barry John kicked some fine points when he came on. It is satisfying to see so many players making a positive contribution during the league. We have a stronger bench than last year, so maybe it's no harm to have avoided a clash with Cork in a fortnight.
There is'nt a doubt in my mind that Kerry will take the lessons from yesterday, they will have learned much from the game and from the league campaign. We have played very well, at times, had a blip against Armagh but came back very strongly after. Our midfield pairing has functioned effectively, we have the best dead ball kicker and the best set of forwards in the country. Brendan Kealy is looking like the real deal and we now have realistic competition for jerseys among the back six.
All in all a very satisfying league for Kerry.
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Post by southward on Apr 16, 2012 18:51:58 GMT
Surprised to see a few people think the ref was poor yesterday. I actually thought he was a refreshing change from some of the recent muppets and, seeing I've posted some scathing comments about the latter, I think it's only fair to say so. Maybe not every call was the right one, but you can never expect that and I thought he got most things right, was alert to what was going on and was very even-handed.
Maybe it's partially that the likes of Maurice Condon would make a cat with a whistle look good, but honestly, I thought this guy was fine.
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Post by southward on Apr 16, 2012 18:55:46 GMT
Like jack said it was one miss hit pass, it wasn't like kieran deliberately did it! Kerry don't deliberately go backwards, it's just on a few occasions recently they've turned it over and been punished for it. I would be much more worried if teams were destroying us out the field and coming at us in waves but they're not. Remember there's no all irelands won in april! Not deliberate of course, but it looked to me that Donaghy was showboating just a little with that pass. Anyway, there was no need for it and he's old enough to know better than try a stunt like that.
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Post by seaniebo on Apr 16, 2012 19:17:43 GMT
Misteallaigh Abu - I agree with everything you've said. I too thought Darran cut a somewhat frustrated figure at times. I did think he was full of energy and looking to get things going for himself. I must say he was well marshalled both fairly and otherwise. I wonder is he lacking confidence.
I also wonder for those of you who were there. I thought Donaghy played a blinder. I like his new role. He is a good reader of the game and when he saw fit he would drift in behind the Mayo rear guard. He covered every blade of grass and put in a great shift. Even after his error he didn't shy away and had the guts to try and make amends. The man has serious character. Fair play to him. He will be a central figure come the championship.
Id also like to give Marc O Se special mention. He gave a roasting to no less then 3 Mayo men yesterday and was a joy to watch. He looks sharper and fitter than ever if that's possible. Another man that has become a vital leader.
An unusual event took place after the minutes silence. No national anthem. I can't ever remember an inter county game without one to begin proceedings.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 16, 2012 19:24:43 GMT
There is no way Kieran was show boating yesterday, just a bit of a cock up - it happens in sport.
I wouldn't be too worried about yesterday, Kerry cruised through a poor league this year, an empty Croker yesterday can't have been very appetising for the players. A challenge game type atmosphere in a game Kerry never got going in but still beat Mayo all ends up.
I'm sure the players and managment will know what they need to work on, I dont think Kieran will play fullforward during the summer.
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Post by brigid on Apr 16, 2012 19:33:47 GMT
Misteallaigh Abu - An unusual event took place after the minutes silence. No national anthem. I can't ever remember an inter county game without one to begin proceedings. The National Anthem was played before the Cork/Down game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 20:10:22 GMT
There is no way Kieran was show boating yesterday, just a bit of a cock up - it happens in sport. I wouldn't be too worried about yesterday, Kerry cruised through a poor league this year, an empty Croker yesterday can't have been very appetising for the players. A challenge game type atmosphere in a game Kerry never got going in but still beat Mayo all ends up. I'm sure the players and managment will know what they need to work on, I dont think Kieran will play fullforward during the summer. Kieran wasn't showboating but that kick did betray some of the casualness evident throughout the game. As you say it happens, just look at the everton defender and his attempted backpass in the FA cup semi final on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 20:12:59 GMT
Surprised to see a few people think the ref was poor yesterday. I actually thought he was a refreshing change from some of the recent muppets and, seeing I've posted some scathing comments about the latter, I think it's only fair to say so. Maybe not every call was the right one, but you can never expect that and I thought he got most things right, was alert to what was going on and was very even-handed. Maybe it's partially that the likes of Maurice Condon would make a cat with a whistle look good, but honestly, I thought this guy was fine. Ref was overly fussy and a bit annoying but I would say that for the first time in ages I had a fair idea of what the ref was likely to blow for and what he was likely to let go. As a result the match was played in a decent spirit.
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Post by greenandgold on Apr 16, 2012 20:30:41 GMT
felt v. disappointed after the game yest ..especially as I thought Kerry just didn't play v. well but today I can look back on league as a whole and I think we can be fairly satisfied .. a few good players found/developed. Some of the others showing form. Granted a few def not showing form but mostly they are the ones with some reason why it might take a while longer this year ... I'm optimistic today --though yesterday should remind us we should never be complacent --how many time do we have to learn that lesson! Roll on the championship
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Post by falveyb2k on Apr 16, 2012 20:34:10 GMT
I must say after watching a lot of poor referees recently I was really pleased to see a ref use common sense and clamp down on off the ball hits as well. Anytime a player was surrounded and pulled and dragged the ball carrier got the free instead of the usual craic where the man in possession is blown for over carrying. Also two Mayo defenders committed fouls off the ball in the first half and the ref went back and gave them cards. Ok, maybe he missed one or two pick ups but he got 99 per cent of calls right. It's not his fault he has to blow frequently for frees if they're occurring, it's players who shouldn't be giving away silly fouls
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Post by veteran on Apr 16, 2012 21:09:03 GMT
The referee was not too bad yesterday. Of course standards are so low in that discipline that any improvement from the previous week(s) does not mean a whole lot and needless to say there was still plenty of whistling for apparently minor incidents. In respect of the penalty, I felt Mayo had stronger claims for one a short time before he awarded the one which was converted. Justice being done in a circuitous way.
Staying with the referee for a while, I witnessed an incident which I can't recall seeing before. At one stage, playing into Canal End, Darran was making a dash for freedom when he clearly got a hefty smack in the face as a result of which he lost possession. The referee indicated that he saw the incident and allowed play go on. The bizarre aspect is that when the ball broke from Darran it was mopped up immediately by Mayo who swept it upfield before eventually it finished out over the sideline. He then came back and justifiably yellow carded the Mayo player. What type of rule was applied there? The advantage rule in reverse?
Apart from my opposition to KD being removed from the full forward line, there is another aspect of tactics pertaining to him which has puzzles me and to which I have alluded before. He is now parked at midfield for all the throws in. We had four of those yesterday and I don't think we won any. We seem to have a wretched record at that gathering. I do not have figures to back up this impression but intuitively I feel we concede possession far too often at these starts. Do we have a plan in this area? Is there any point in positioning Kieran there if his apparent success rate is so poor. I wonder does Sylvester Hennessy compile any statistics on this phase of the game?
Somebody has already referred to this but we seemed to finish up with a very patchy half back line- none of the three originals finished the game. AO'M and Brian McGuire were replaced and Peter Crowley had gone off injured. While it is very difficult in the modern game to be sure where anybody is playing it appeared that Paul Galvin was there, perhaps Doncha Walsh, perhaps Eoin Brosnan or Jonathan Lyne. I must confess I am not sure how Jonathan played when he came on. In any case when somebody mentioned it earlier it brought back memories of the 2001 Meath game when we finished up with any equally improvised half back line. We went into that game without Tomas and early in the game Michael Hassett went off injured. I think we may have finished up with a very green Tommy Griffin at wing back, Eamon Fitzmaurice at CHB and, believe it or believe it not, Noel Kennelly on the other wing. To compound matters , Eamon Fitzmaurice was sent off late in the game.
Sullyschoice, that is a smashing photograph of Anthony Maher. He made some great catches. There was one when he leaped up and seemed to become horizontal and then , if I am right , crashed down but retained possession. I haven't seen it on TV , I presume it was captured by them, and perhaps it didn't look as spectacular on the screen as it did in reality. Either way, I won't forget it and it evoked an audible gasp from this sitting nearby, most of whom were foes! Perhaps, you can't recall if your showstopper depicts the catch to which I refer. In any case, in time it is likely to rank with the iconic Sean Walsh/Brian Mullins one. It would sell well in the pubs of Kerry, especially the North Kerry ones and of course, above all in Duagh!
That photograph is a stunning piece of imagery but suffers from one flaw. What do other people think?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 16, 2012 21:14:26 GMT
Ah he did a fairly decent job alright. He let some advantages accrue but was a bit quick to whistle on other occassions. He seemed very fond of moving the ball forward for virtually anything.
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Post by southward on Apr 16, 2012 22:32:48 GMT
Ah he did a fairly decent job alright. He let some advantages accrue but was a bit quick to whistle on other occassions. He seemed very fond of moving the ball forward for virtually anything. On that last point sully, I suspect its becoming a feature of the game now, when a player is whistled up while holding the ball, for opposing players to aggressively try to wrest the ball from the man in possession before he has a chance to relinquish it, thereby engineering the appearance of dissent in an attempt to get the free moved on. Or am I imagining this ?
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Post by shannonsider on Apr 17, 2012 7:44:30 GMT
Just on the issue of Donaghy and where to play him, posted this elsewhere so might aswell throw it here aswell:
People maybe haven't realised that Donaghy is not the most skillful player in the classical sense..he can look very awkward at times soloing for example. He’s not being used properly or in a varied manner when at 14..there has been some terrible ball just lumped in on top of him in the last 3/4 years especially, which of course other managers/teams are going to stymie eventually. He will beat 90% of full backs hands down in the air (when on form at least..he has been off form most of the league) and the rest he can generally get out in front of and win low ball...his handpassing is generally ok and he can bring runners into the play to good effect this way. We have been getting away with him at wing-forward/midfield during the league..this will not work, in fact it will end up as a disadvantage to us if we persist with it during the c/ship. The man is one of the most lethal players in the game on his day, close to goal...play him there. Name him at corner forward if necessary with Declan at full forward and vary the type of play/ball going in. I don't believe ANY team could cope with Kerry on even 40% of ball from midfield if this was worked properly. Last years final was a perfect example...the average viewer would say "oh Kerry woke up after half-time"....they woke up alright, but tactically. Donaghy was on the edge of the square, Dublin were forced to drop an extra man (or 2) back, leaving the Kerry middle third more space...result - Kerry score 8 points to 2 for their opponents in the 20 mins after half time.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 17, 2012 8:41:29 GMT
The elephant in the room of course is Declans absense. Kerry seldom if ever win big games without Declan being on top of his game and if he is absent then.......well........... Declan is a one off.
If this game were played in front of 80000 people it would have looked a great game. But played in an empty Croke Park, it didnt look that way but there were many great things in it.
Kerry scored 7 points in the first half and the final 6 of the 7 were great scores..... the other was a free.
Brian Maguire and Shane Enright got harsh lessons that modern day forwards are experts at manufacturing fouls (ours are up there with the best of them at it) and if you leave a hand in it will be grabbed and you would be penalised.
I though the ref was even handed and consistent. No complaints with him. Killian is a big worry at this stage. I think perhaps CHB will be his final destination. I dread when he embarks on one of those loose solo runs as he is too easily dispossessed. He is unlikley to hold his place come summer time in my opinion.
I think people need to give Mayo more credit. In many ways they are cast in the mould of James Horan, the Mayo player that always showed up when big games were in the balance. If James has some of these forwards with him in the mid 90s the long wait would surely have ended.
Kerry had this game won twice and still managed to lose it. Obviously Donaghys gaff was a turning point but there was a passage of play in the Kerry defense when Kerry were a point up, with a minute to go in normal time,that beggered belief. Kerry tried to work the ball out of defense and on two occasions were fouled. With about a minute to go and with a free out 30 yards from goal the obvious thing was to ask Bryan Sheehan to come back and kick the free off the ground and kick it 60 metres. It doesnt matter if twas kicked to the corner..............all the better in fact. If Mayo regained posession back there in their own corner......then foul them and run down the clock. Instead, we tried to find Darren with a 50;50 footpass and Mayo won the ball and worked the free to equalise. Kerry people are supposed to be cute!
I want to end on a positive note however........... nothing for me beats the excitement of good young players appearing on the scene and being given a chance. This league has shown up that Enright, Crowley, Maguire, O'Donoghue, Curtin, BJK, etc have bright futures. Fair play to Jack for that and hopefully he will persist with at least two of them for the summer.
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Post by osg on Apr 17, 2012 8:41:56 GMT
I love these threads when a player gets criticised for a whole defeat over something like a 45- it makes it easier to identify who has an agenda on the board and who's comments are worth ignoring. +1
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Post by kot on Apr 17, 2012 10:07:46 GMT
Are you serious? Down quarter final Gooch earned himself a bloody all star, he took them on his own. And yes, in the first half when we were coming back into he missed 3 very scoreable kicks. His last act against Tyrone in '08 was to kick wide from 35 yards just to the right of the goal. Do NOT get me wrong, Sheehan is a fine player and one of the best strikers of the ball around. I am saying that if we were 5 points up that would have went sailing over the bar, and it not the first time when we have needed a score from a dead ball over the last few years that he had failed to deliver it. He was far from the most culpable today and in fairness it shouldn't have come to that both in terms of the game and the lead up, the ball should have been fisted over the bar by Johnny Buckley from 14 yards rather than handpassing to another man 3 yards away. And what was going through Donaghy's head with that ball I do not know. No, you read it wrong....I said: ASIDE FROM COOPER, EVERYONE ELSE GOT BEAT OUT THE GATE.....referring of course to the Down game you brought up. So we played 20 players that day, 19 of which were awful. Therefore to single out 1 Brian Sheehan free kick is very unfair on him. Apologies Seamo, I did read that wrong. If I am coming across like I am pinning all the blame on Sheehan far from it. Most of my blame would be at the line, in recent years we have reverted to this infuriating tactic of holding up the ball at midfield and going around in circles rather than playing to our strengths which is a high tempo game with fast ball into the forwards and strong fast wing backs supporting at pace. The half backs seemed to be held back now and Tomás for one doesn't look happy and explains (but doesn't excuse) some of his indiscretions. Back to the point I was saying regarding Sheehan, I think he tends to let the pressure get to him at times for the kicking. And like I said I am far more confident of him kicking us further ahead from a tight lead rather than pegging us back. '08 Munster game is another case in point, he was kicking for fun in the first half - then Cork stormed ahead and he missed a couple of very scoreable frees. I am not trying to lump blame or make anyone a scapegoat. It is just an observation and an opinion I have, he will go on now this year and shut me up by kicking an equalising 45 to force an All Ireland Replay and then kick one in the final to win by a point. I wont be complaining if that happened.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 17, 2012 10:12:08 GMT
The more I think about it as Kot mentions tempo is key: when we are really rolling we are unstoppable.
This is why we didn't murder Dublin in the final: the tempo wasn't there as it was against Dublin in 09 and Cork in the first half last year.
I hope that Jack is just waiting to wind up the motor. I feel we will have to have a serious peak in the quarter final. This is where we are most likely to be caught.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2012 10:36:49 GMT
Although Killian Young is not a corner back he definitely deserves a place on the championship team. Some people are claiming his place is in doubt. He is a far better player than Crowley, Maguire, Lyne or Enright. Brosnan needs to be centre back, sure isn't that why he was brought back into the team for? Don't forget we were missing Tomás and Declan, two of the greatest players to ever play in a Kerry jersey. Those who are saying there isn't an All-Ireland in this team are talking nonsense. Maher and Sheehan are an excellent partnership in midfield and I would have no worries about them. I heard that Brosnan, Darran, Young and Gooch all had the bug and judging by Eoin and Darrans tweets I would say I am partly correct. O'Leary played well and scored one of the finest scores of the league. Also, O'Leary has the most experience out of himself, BJK, O'Donoghue, Buckley, Curtain which could prove to be crucial come Championship time. I have no doubt that if that was O'Leary and not Buckley he would have the confidence and experience to fist it over the bar. Buckley has shown all the quality and promise he has while playing for Crokes. With more experience, Buckley, BJK and O'Donoghue could become top class players for Kerry in future years. I have no criticism for Jack, I think he is an excellent manager and fair play to him for all the experimenting he did during the league.
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Post by kot on Apr 17, 2012 10:50:28 GMT
Although Killian Young is not a corner back he definitely deserves a place on the championship team. Some people are claiming his place is in doubt. He is a far better player than Crowley, Maguire, Lyne or Enright. Brosnan needs to be centre back, sure isn't that why he was brought back into the team for? Don't forget we were missing Tomás and Declan, two of the greatest players to ever play in a Kerry jersey. Those who are saying there isn't an All-Ireland in this team are talking nonsense. Maher and Sheehan are an excellent partnership in midfield and I would have no worries about them. I heard that Brosnan, Darran, Young and Gooch all had the bug and judging by Eoin and Darrans tweets I would say I am partly correct. O'Leary played well and scored one of the finest scores of the league. Also, O'Leary has the most experience out of himself, BJK, O'Donoghue, Buckley, Curtain which could prove to be crucial come Championship time. I have no doubt that if that was O'Leary and not Buckley he would have the confidence and experience to fist it over the bar. Buckley has shown all the quality and promise he has while playing for Crokes. With more experience, Buckley, BJK and O'Donoghue could become top class players for Kerry in future years. I have no criticism for Jack, I think he is an excellent manager and fair play to him for all the experimenting he did during the league. No problems with the experimenting at all. In fact it was the 1 gripe I had about last years league is we didn't try enough new lads. That same criticism cannot be leveled at Jack this year. I am worried about the style of play we have adopted as previously mentioned however, and I would hope that a few lessons are learned so that we are not staring gloomily into a watery pint above in Dublin again this year.
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Post by Gaa Lover on Apr 17, 2012 11:24:25 GMT
Ah come on guys I think yer being very unfair to Bryan Sheehan. I was one of his biggest critics in the past few years & was happy to swallow my pride last year when he deservedly won his all star.He has matured as a top class player & the best ground free taker we've had or possibly the country has had since Maurice Fitz. In fairness to the man how many midfielders do you see as the teams free taker at inter county level - most are forwards who would only do a fraction of the running of a midfielder?He was running up & down croker for 90 minutes yesterday & guys are having a pop off him for not scoring a 45 after all of that plus he had 3 Mayo players practically in his face - give the man a break. The man is a victim of his own high standards - whatever happened yesterday was no fault of Bryan Sheehans anyway I completely agree that Sheehan is the victim of his own high standards. For most players a 45 is 50/50 at best but with Sheehan he kicks 9 out 10 of them. I feel people are taking what I said about Sheehan missing the wrong way entirely. On the donaghy subject, he hasn't been playing very well in full forward the last few seasons so Jack has tried re-invent him. It hasnt worked. I feel Donaghy is being made look bad by poor ball being given to him. When he first arrived on the scene it was arrowed diagonal ball now the players just lamp it in his general area and hope for the best. If he gets the right ball he is unmarkable.
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