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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 15, 2012 15:54:45 GMT
Still though if Kerry face Mayo in Croke Park in the Summer I won't be putting any money on Mayo. They will have Adian O'Shea back in their ranks by then so I wouldn't be putting money on either side because it could go either way.
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Post by mozzy on Apr 15, 2012 15:56:30 GMT
what a brutal week for Kerry football.... downward spiral it appears at all levels .... Jesus- don't be reminding me of Liam Hayes and his article of doom! sorry feeling a wee bit depressed after seeing minor. U21 and now Senior Team losing - maybe I am being way too pessimistic - I am sure things will come a long way as we get going Note - I never read anything Hayes has to say -
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Post by fenit67 on Apr 15, 2012 15:57:58 GMT
"You will eat these words in September. Who will win it so?"
There is a possibility that I may eat my words but I am basing my opinion on the performances of Kerry over the past months. The habits that have been developed become ingrained and players are unable to find solutions when in trouble. Far too often during the league the players have lost possession when leading games through handpassing the ball in the backs and not attacking. When Kerry attack they are the best team in the country but at times they seem afraid to do this and it is of little use having the best forwards in the country when they don't get the ball or indeed are not where they should be to receive possession. As to who will win I shall leave you to figure that one out all by yourself as you surely do not need me to state the obvious for you.
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Post by hamish on Apr 15, 2012 15:58:18 GMT
Disappointed with the display today, Maher and Enright were excellent, Marc and Galvin in patches can hold their head up too. Outside of these i cant pick out anyone else. it was a drab and lifeless display. 1. Kealy - Ok but kick outs a predictable 2. Enright - Excellent game, was close to MOTM 3. Marc O Se - Was solid enough 4. Killian - Poor and is lost in the corner, should be on the wing where most effective 5. Crowley - has played better 6. O Mahony - Battled but gave away an amount of ball 7. McGuire - Same as crowley, have seen him play alot better 8. Maher - Excellent game, work rate is excellent and is really starting to influence games 9. Sheehan - Good display but should have nailed the free at the end 10. Galvin - Picked up alot of breaks but was lucky to stay on for constant fouling# 11. Darran - Poor, never got going 12. Donaghy - Poor, what he did for Mayo first goal was criminal - indulging himself 13. Gooch - decent display but lacking a bit of sharpness 14. Curtain - Won a bit of ball and showed well 15. OLeary - Played ok and unluchy to be taken off ahead of donaghy and darran Of the subs i though BJK and James O D were the pick, BJK should have been introduced earlier IMO. Overall its league but on todays display we still have work to do. Positives are enrights return to form and mahers display and our ability to come back from 6 points to 1 down. Negatives are our inability to kill off Mayo when in front twice when the game was there to be won.. Agreed re Maher and Enright. Maher is really influencing matters around the middle and I'm delighted to see Enright back to the form he was showing last summer before he got injured. I'm trying to look at the positives ....
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Post by mozzy on Apr 15, 2012 15:59:49 GMT
What about Bohane - is he back on the panel and will they try him out again for FB .... lots of questions and positions still to be nailed down .... but at least Midfield and Forward lines seem to be sorted - now just to get the balance of the back line sorted out and hope Tomas can conduct himself for rest of season ...
it also would have been nice to see Star and Cooper take a break today - surely they didn't deserve full games based on history alone....
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Post by mozzy on Apr 15, 2012 16:02:38 GMT
Veteran - where are you and what is your assessment - good and bad and tell us what you think this team needs to do now to broach anything reminiscent of days gone by ..... also any thoughts on what youth level needs to do...
right now we rank behind Tyrone, Cork, Dublin, Mayo in so many ways - especially at all the different levels ....
Perhaps too many questions for the wise man ....
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Post by southward on Apr 15, 2012 16:15:31 GMT
Donaghy should have been hauled off straight away after the penalty pass. Unforgivable, acting the b****cks like that in defence at a vital stage.
Very sluggish performance today with few exceptions. A lot of sloppy passing going on, especially first half. Brian Maguire gave away an awful lot of silly scoreable frees.
Why was Paddy Curtin taken off ? Donnacha did well coming on but surely Darren was the obvious change. Half-forward line was terrible today, though Galvin did come into it more and more.
Bad day at the end of a bad week but may do no harm in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 16:16:10 GMT
Some on here would want to get a grip of themselves.
The game has highlighted plenty of areas to work on. Overall the league has been a positive experience. Plenty of players have gained a lot. The main positive today is that enright has probably nailed down a spot for the championship. Killian is best on the wing but he will likely be named in the corner with licence to roam depending on what the opposition do. One of Crowley Mahoney and Maguire will be competing for a spot in the wing back line. Maybe donncha also. Midfield is set we just need more cover this is likely to be Buckley scanlon and Brosnan
In the forwards the likes of bjk curtain and o donoghue have shone at times none of them are likely to be regular starters this year but they will have a role to play
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 15, 2012 16:23:17 GMT
Jesus- don't be reminding me of Liam Hayes and his article of doom! sorry feeling a wee bit depressed after seeing minor. U21 and now Senior Team losing - maybe I am being way too pessimistic - I am sure things will come a long way as we get going Note - I never read anything Hayes has to say - Both the 21s and the Seniors lost by a kick of a ball after extra time. Both had chances to level it, luck just wasn't on their side! Keep the faith
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Post by mozzy on Apr 15, 2012 16:27:35 GMT
A.N. Other... I am not a very religious man but in Kerry Football I will do as you wisely advice - keep the faith ... year after year they bring us fantastic rewards and we should consider ourselves lucky gach la to be from this fine county .....
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Post by champ on Apr 15, 2012 17:05:41 GMT
Declan's wife had a baby today, hence his absence
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Post by longball2 on Apr 15, 2012 17:20:19 GMT
Anyone know why O'Leary was taken off? Was having more of an impact than several others. Agree with this he was doing better than others when called ashore. James O'Donoghue did well when he came on.
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 15, 2012 17:45:50 GMT
Remember all we are in transition. To be still competing at business end if league and championship while in transition is a good sign. Lots of positives. Cork, Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo the main contenders this year. Well done Mayo and for Kerry better to learns these lessons now rather than in an all ire 1/4 1/2 or final
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Post by diggerbarnes on Apr 15, 2012 19:21:38 GMT
I wouldn't be too pessimistic. Another shot of crazy refereeing desisions cost us, just like the u21 game in mid week. I suppose we were lucky too that Paul didn't see the line after that penalty giveaway. We might be better off not meeting Cork in a league final. They looked a powerful team even without Canty, Sheehan and Goulding.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Apr 15, 2012 19:35:15 GMT
Well done to Kerry today:) It may be a loss, but as was said earlier there is alot of positives to be taken from the league, we got plenty new talent to be excited about, Peter Crowley, Brian Maguire, Patrick Curtin, etc.... it is not all doom and gloom.. I am sure Kerry will learn something from today, sloppy passing at times throughout the game who many were guilty of and slow in going for the score.. however many played really well and JODonoghue scored a lovely goal when he came on. It was an exciting game and at the end of it there was only a kick of the ball in it. Better luck next time Kerry:)
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Post by seamo on Apr 15, 2012 19:38:16 GMT
O Donoghue and BJK have done enough to go ahead of O leary and Curtain in picking order. Good to see Donnacha back. Maher very good, but got to watch the discipline as does Aidan . Enright was very good. Lets not blame Bryan for missing that free, for fu.ck sake he's rescued us enough times, one miss should be forgiven. Now here's our big problem JACK O CONNER! Not looking for him to be sacked, but how many times does he need to see us build a lead, retreat back into our own half and proceed to throw a game away. 5 points up we should have continued as we were and we would have won that game by 8+ points.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 15, 2012 19:44:42 GMT
Would not be too despondent about todays loss if we learn lessons from it; we need to establish Stars true role( and I am not talking about his give away in the final minutes) - my belief is that he should be played at the edge of the square and nowhere else- this was his most productive period today and with the likes of the Gooch, Declan etc feeding off him believe we can do real damage- Paddy Curtin is probably the best foil for him at 15.
JOC & Co will also have to look hard at our defence; Killian is not a corner back but on his present form is he deserving of a starting berth? Has not progressed the way I thought he would and with Tomas to be restored come championship maybe Peter Crowley is the man to wear the No 7 shirt?? Brosnan should be at 6 but I think Crowley has the pace and physique to wear 6 also; we still have not found a replacement midfielder- Maher was massive today but we would be in real trouble if he was absent- Sheehan was not as influential as normal today but an injury/suspension to either would leave us in trouble.
Overall, a very satisfactory league campaign, one loss and plenty of positives. Lets learn from todays defeat.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 15, 2012 20:51:09 GMT
Anyone know why O'Leary was taken off? Was having more of an impact than several others. Thought he should have been taken off after the first 5 mins to be honest...James O'Donoghue had more impact in his first 5 mins on the field than O'Leary had in the previous 45 mins...Kieran has to be behind both O'Donoghue and Curtin at this point for a start.
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Post by southward on Apr 15, 2012 20:56:41 GMT
Anyone know why O'Leary was taken off? Was having more of an impact than several others. Thought he should have been taken off after the first 5 mins to be honest...James O'Donoghue had more impact in his first 5 mins on the field than O'Leary had in the previous 45 mins...Kieran has to be behind both O'Donoghue and Curtin at this point for a start. Agreed Joxer. O'Leary was destroyed for pace today. Looks awful slow for a smallish guy.
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Post by southward on Apr 15, 2012 21:05:35 GMT
Veteran - where are you and what is your assessment - good and bad and tell us what you think this team needs to do now to broach anything reminiscent of days gone by ..... also any thoughts on what youth level needs to do... right now we rank behind Tyrone, Cork, Dublin, Mayo in so many ways - especially at all the different levels .... Perhaps too many questions for the wise man .... I assume you're not including the senior ranks in that statement. 2 disastrous goals today. The less said about Donaghy's antics for the first one the better but I hope he got a right b*****king for it. Second one was worse. No way a guy on the ground with 3 men around him should get a shot off.
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Post by seamo on Apr 15, 2012 21:06:45 GMT
O Leary played no worse then Curtain!
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Post by martym on Apr 15, 2012 21:24:10 GMT
Some on here would want to get a grip of themselves. The game has highlighted plenty of areas to work on. Overall the league has been a positive experience. Plenty of players have gained a lot. The main positive today is that enright has probably nailed down a spot for the championship. Killian is best on the wing but he will likely be named in the corner with licence to roam depending on what the opposition do. One of Crowley Mahoney and Maguire will be competing for a spot in the wing back line. Maybe donncha also. Midfield is set we just need more cover this is likely to be Buckley scanlon and Brosnan In the forwards the likes of bjk curtain and o donoghue have shone at times none of them are likely to be regular starters this year but they will have a role to play I agree today was fair reflection of the league form.Mayo raced into early lead and then kerry haulded them back in quite easily. The final will show how good Mayo are as the element of surprise will be now gone. Jack will have plenty to work on between now and May 20th
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Post by kot on Apr 15, 2012 21:30:35 GMT
Some of the decisions on the line and our style of play was baffling today.
Ref was poor and it wasn't a penalty.
Sheehan for his undoubted ability has missed a lot of crunch kicks in his Kerry career. 2008 against a Tyrone, last years all Ireland, against Down when we had a chance of pulling them back in and again today.
Lots of room for improvement (and it will be needed big time) but not all doom and gloom.
No Celtic Crosses handed out in the middle of April.
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Post by seamo on Apr 15, 2012 21:42:24 GMT
Some of the decisions on the line and our style of play was baffling today. Ref was poor and it wasn't a penalty. Sheehan for his undoubted ability has missed a lot of crunch kicks in his Kerry career. 2008 against a Tyrone, last years all Ireland, against Down when we had a chance of pulling them back in and again today. Lots of room for improvement (and it will be needed big time) but not all doom and gloom. No Celtic Crosses handed out in the middle of April. Scraping the proverbial barrel here aren't you? So what are you saying? Sheehan doesn't have the bottle? We should let one of the many other excellent free-takers take over from him? What Down game? QF 2 years ago? If so we lost that game because aside from Cooper, everyone else got beat out the gate. Last years AI? I seem to remember us being up 5/6 points with 5 minutes to go, can't blame Sheehan for that collapse. Have you forgotten last week and the draw he got for us? Ask the people of South Kerry how many county titles they would have won this past decade without Brian Sheehan and his free taking ability. ::)There is no problem with Brian Sheehan. Jack needs to stop ushering our players back into their shells once we have alead built up. We need to ensure we have cover at midfield in case of injury/suspension. Aside from that we're in a good position with the best dead ball artist in the competition!
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Post by exiled on Apr 15, 2012 21:42:33 GMT
ITS ONLY SINCE JOC TOOK OVER HAVE KERRY DEVELOPED THIS DIRTY HABIT OF TRYING TO DEFEND A LEAD WHEN ONLY 2 SCORES UP. IS HE TOO STUBBORN TO LEARN. I THINK SO. TODAY MAY BE HIS 'ANIMALS' MOMENT.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Apr 15, 2012 22:12:21 GMT
Perhaps today will be a blessing in disguise.
Very disappointing yes, but let's not get carried away.
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Post by veteran on Apr 15, 2012 22:16:59 GMT
This was an enjoyable game in spite of the result. There was plenty of open play and plenty of good scores and no shortage of drama with a painful twist at the end. It needed to be exciting because the bitter cold took its toll on these old bones.
Looking at it dispassionately, Mayo probably deserved to win it. The goal which gave us a cushion of four or five points was of the fortuitous variety. In spite of that, this plucky Mayo side did not throw in the towel. They kept running and toiling and tackling with venom. Indeed, I feel these are the traits that have lifted this Mayo team above their predecessors, heart and an edge which underscores the skills Mayo footballers traditionally have always had. James Horan deserves the credit for that. Over the past six months, Mayo have demonstrated that they are as good as Kerry, Cork and Dublin. (Tyrone remain an unknown quantity)I sincerely hope this is not another false dawn for them and if they go on to win the All-Ireland there will rarely have been more popular champions.
In spite of all the praise I have given Mayo, when Kerry had build up that five point lead a continuation of positive football should probably have seen us stagger over the line. What happened? What happened is what has happened so often that it scarcely needs to be scripted at all. In spite of possessing so many good forwards, the team at a certain stage in matches decide to become defenders en masse. The result is not difficult to predict. You are , in one stroke, removing your scoring threat and supplying impostors as defenders. Consider this. Who delivered the suicidal kick from the Kerry wing back position that led to the Mayo penalty? KD, an impostor defender. Who tackled the Mayo recipient of that suicidal cross goal kick? Paul Galvin, an imposter defender. Who made the juvenile tackle in the Kerry left corner back position to earn Mayo the equalising free in ordinary time? Yes indeed folks, roll up another impostor defender? Darran O'Sullivan. Little or nothing learned?
If you are playing against KD, Paul Galvin or Darran O'Sullivan where would you position them if you had the choice. No need to shout, I am receiving loud and clear. The problem is, do the management hear you.
Nobody admires Kieran Donaghy more than I. He has made an incalculable contribution since 2006. Because of that, it pains me to see him being made a peripheral figure, almost redundant, almost a figure of fun. Anybody at the match today would have no problem contrasting his display at full forward with his contribution when he adopted the role of the wandering minstrel. No contest. Get this great man back to full forward. Vary the ball into him and his two corner men. If the high one goes in, do not expect him to field it every time, but he breaks it do not expect him to pop down and collect the breaks as well. Have players buzzing about and we will profit when today for instance James O'Donoghe was in like a flash to benefit from one of the breaks. Alternate him with Declan as needs be as occurred in Killarney last year against Cork.
I don't think Brendan Kealy could be blamed for Mayo's second goal. Indeed , I thought it took a deflection.
After a shaky start , Shane Enright played his best game since last year. The confidence and zip seem to have returned. Marc saw off about three opponents. Killian found the tricky Conor Mortimer a handful. He improved as the game went on but took a few heavy knocks. He has had much better games and no doubt would be happier at wing back but we are short in the corner.
Once again, I was hugely impressed with Peter Crowley. No doubt he still has a lot to learn about defensive play but one has to be impressed with his daring and aggression. The defence missed him when he limped off. Aiden O'Mahony was poor and , sadly, Eoin Brosnan was no better when he came on. This is Eoin's second poor game on the trot and that is a big worry facing into the championship. If Aiden and Eoin do not pick up in the coming weeks, I would give youth its fling at number six in the person of Peter Crowley. Brian McGuire started very brightly but faded. Still, Brian has had a good NFL.
Anthony Maher continues to blossom. He fielded some spectacular ones and worked tirelessly backwards and forwards. One of his fielding efforts, it may have been his first one, drew a gasp from the crowd. I am delighted for him. Bryan was not as spectacular but he had some impressive moments. As regards the free Bryan, forget it , you have kicked so many that my memory bank is full to the brim already.
Paul Galvin won an awful lot of ball, a lot of it hard earned. However, as I alluded to before, since this NFL began he is taking too much out of the ball and therefore the opposing backs have too much time to clamp down on their men. Darran is nothing like the threat he was last year but there is plenty of time for him to knuckle down. Colm was quiet today. He did have some flashy moments but one criticism I would make of him , particularly in the first half, is that he tended to stand behind his marker. That makes it very difficult for the outfield lads to find him. I was surprised to see Kieran O'Leary being taken off. He showed flashes of last year's form. Perhaps he tired. I was also surprised that Patrick Curtin was taken off fairly early. He seemed to be showing up well and the thing I like about him is that once he gets that ball he likes to take a straight line for goals. There is young man who would dovetail nicely with KD.
James O'Donoghue, BJK and Doncha all showed up well in different ways when they came on.
In summary, we have top drawer forwards. Why not play them as forwards? If that were to happen it would take a hot team to deny us the 2012 championship.
P.S. On the way into the match I was told that Declan had to return home to celebrate being a father. Congratulations Declan. The same man told me that a lot of the team had been struck down by a bug. Not sure how reliable that story is but, if true, it would certainly debilitate them. Nevertheless, the day belongs to Mayo. They deserve that and more.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 15, 2012 22:34:39 GMT
The last couple of minutes of normal time looked like a scene from Platoon, with the amount of Kerry casualties ;D But in the same situation, most if not all teams, would do the same.
Are Kerry fans getting a bit worried about their team not being able to hold onto leads?
You got to give credit to Mayo though. They never gave up. Their penalty was very soft though. I think there is an All-Ireland final place later in the year, for this Mayo team.
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Post by kot on Apr 15, 2012 22:38:39 GMT
Some of the decisions on the line and our style of play was baffling today. Ref was poor and it wasn't a penalty. Sheehan for his undoubted ability has missed a lot of crunch kicks in his Kerry career. 2008 against a Tyrone, last years all Ireland, against Down when we had a chance of pulling them back in and again today. Lots of room for improvement (and it will be needed big time) but not all doom and gloom. No Celtic Crosses handed out in the middle of April. Scraping the proverbial barrel here aren't you? So what are you saying? Sheehan doesn't have the bottle? We should let one of the many other excellent free-takers take over from him? What Down game? QF 2 years ago? If so we lost that game because aside from Cooper, everyone else got beat out the gate. Last years AI? I seem to remember us being up 5/6 points with 5 minutes to go, can't blame Sheehan for that collapse. Have you forgotten last week and the draw he got for us? Ask the people of South Kerry how many county titles they would have won this past decade without Brian Sheehan and his free taking ability. ::)There is no problem with Brian Sheehan. Jack needs to stop ushering our players back into their shells once we have alead built up. We need to ensure we have cover at midfield in case of injury/suspension. Aside from that we're in a good position with the best dead ball artist in the competition! Are you serious? Down quarter final Gooch earned himself a bloody all star, he took them on his own. And yes, in the first half when we were coming back into he missed 3 very scoreable kicks. His last act against Tyrone in '08 was to kick wide from 35 yards just to the right of the goal. Do NOT get me wrong, Sheehan is a fine player and one of the best strikers of the ball around. I am saying that if we were 5 points up that would have went sailing over the bar, and it not the first time when we have needed a score from a dead ball over the last few years that he had failed to deliver it. He was far from the most culpable today and in fairness it shouldn't have come to that both in terms of the game and the lead up, the ball should have been fisted over the bar by Johnny Buckley from 14 yards rather than handpassing to another man 3 yards away. And what was going through Donaghy's head with that ball I do not know.
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Post by mossie on Apr 15, 2012 22:54:11 GMT
what donaghy was at with that crossfield ball we will never know! He played well at full forward so we should the man a bit of a slack.
I had no interest in watchin kerry play cork in a league final anyway and i am unsure what we would have gained from two outings v cork in big games before the all ireland series.
The league was a good league for kerry. I dont think we could have got much more out of it than we did
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