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Post by sullyschoice on May 1, 2012 9:39:51 GMT
Are you for real Sully? We've been looking at macho nonsense from Darragh O'Sé and Aidan O'Mahony for years as well as constant mouthing from Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy to be nice and name only two. Now your giving out about the "new face of Cork football" because of an isolated incident where Kerrigan roared at somebody. We might not play the most pure brand of football ever witnessed but we have an honest hard working side, and to be compared to that Dublin team from a few years back is an insult. Yesterdays game was a terrible spectalcle, but was it ever going to be any different? Mayo are a well drilled side under James Horan. They swarmed all over Cork last August and we had no answer. It was inevitable that Cork were going to make sure they were ready for it this time and meet fire with fire. I was asking the question " is this the new face of cork football" It was so reminiscent of Alan Brogan roaring into a fellas face on the ground. I hope that this isnt the new trend because they dont need to go down that road. As for your comment about Darragh O Se and AOM...they may be capable of putting it about in their day but Cadogan goes about his business in a snakey underhanded way. And while I am on the topic I notices Canty throwing the odd Kidney dig from behind too.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 1, 2012 9:48:37 GMT
Are you for real Sully? We've been looking at macho nonsense from Darragh O'Sé and Aidan O'Mahony for years as well as constant mouthing from Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy to be nice and name only two. Now your giving out about the "new face of Cork football" because of an isolated incident where Kerrigan roared at somebody. We might not play the most pure brand of football ever witnessed but we have an honest hard working side, and to be compared to that Dublin team from a few years back is an insult. You are wasting your time old chap. What you and I are witnessing over the last couple of pages are acts of self-delusion and confirmation bias against Cork Football borne out of years of prejudice and apparent jealousy over yesterday's result (god only knows why you would be jealous over a league final but there you go). Basically they have a self-fulfilling good vs evil dichotomy already created for themselves, which postulates that Kerry are the only pure footballing team, the only county that plays the game 'the way it should be played', while Cork represent everything that is wrong with the sport, cynicism and physicality in particular, as if these two things are great evils no good inter-county football team has ever partaken in. As Cork are the most physical and aggressive football team in the country, so physicality and aggression must be something 'wrong' and to blame for the sport's general malaise. Individual players are coloured as well - Aidan O'Mahony and the O'Se's aggression or 'sportsmanship' are really acts of masculinity or 'intelligence' - when Cadogan or Shields or O'Leary act in the same vein they are 'cowards', or even worse, they are betraying an entire sport. Interestingly, the only people that are complaining about Cork's performance on Sunday are the Kerry chaps on this forum - when talking about cynicism on Sunday invariably people talk about the diving of Vaughan and others - ignored completely on this forum one might add, evidently soccerball antics aren't as big a threat to the sport as being physical and aggressive. Even Brolly and Spillane gave us our dues. Unfortunately, some people have taken the reality of the one-eyed supporter to an even more absurd and bitter level. Such people aren't worth debating with. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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Post by delorean on May 1, 2012 11:10:08 GMT
Individual players are coloured as well - Aidan O'Mahony and the O'Se's aggression or 'sportsmanship' are really acts of masculinity or 'intelligence' - when Cadogan or Shields or O'Leary act in the same vein they are 'cowards', or even worse, they are betraying an entire sport As for your comment about Darragh O Se and AOM...they may be capable of putting it about in their day but Cadogan goes about his business in a snakey underhanded way I think you've done a pretty good job of proving turenne's point there Sully.
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Post by Dermot on May 1, 2012 17:32:18 GMT
I expected more from Tyrone but still some of their younger lads showed promise. It looked to me that, perhaps, they needed more of the older hands on deck. I am not sure how many more of these, if any, will be available in the summer. Maybe Dermot could tell us. Yeah we looked a totally different team than we had up until now ... OK, Kildare blocked the central path through to goal but I just thought we didnt look anywhere near as fluent as we were up until now. Veteran, You also spoke about the blocking of players .. You're spot on there, Peter Harte was blocked from the first whistle to the last during our game on Sunday ... As he is such an integral part of our game plan this year (a bit too integral maybe ) we could be in big trouble every time he's stopped, fairly or unfairly.... But I just wish the refs, linesmen or whatever would stop this from happening ,.. But obviously not and it was so apparent on Sunday but absolutely nothing happened .. nothing !! We missed Kyle Coney as he was shaping up well and looked like bringing his minor & u21 form to the senior team this year but now he's out through injury as you know. We also tried too much to run the ball through their defence and they're a big physical team ... Too big for us to try that I think .. we should be playing long fast ball into the forwards, just like Mulligan did when he came out round the forty .. his brilliant pass to O'Neill nearly got us a goal but we did it just the once ... We need to do it more ! I'm actually a bit concerned about some of the older hands so far this year .. S Cavanagh is a shadow of his former self and Conor Gormley didnt have a great day either (though he was one of our best players last year) .. Hopefully these guys can get back in the groove ... If not, I dont think we'll get enough from the younger guns just yet to pressure the big teams !! Saying all that, one bad performance doesnt tell the whole story ... We'll see what we are really made off later in the year !!
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2012 19:31:19 GMT
I was wondering what Canty was at when he grabbed Donal Vaughan in the second half. What I hadnt realised was that Vaughan was on a yellow card since the 18th minute and a second yellow for him would have been a big blow for Mayo. The ref didnt give Canty or Vaughan a yellow for the incident so Vaughan stayed on the field.
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Post by delorean on May 1, 2012 20:04:01 GMT
Reminds me of the yellow Galvin got in the league game at PUC, for kicking Cadogan who had just been booked. Any videos Mick?
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Post by sullyschoice on May 1, 2012 20:40:54 GMT
Individual players are coloured as well - Aidan O'Mahony and the O'Se's aggression or 'sportsmanship' are really acts of masculinity or 'intelligence' - when Cadogan or Shields or O'Leary act in the same vein they are 'cowards', or even worse, they are betraying an entire sport As for your comment about Darragh O Se and AOM...they may be capable of putting it about in their day but Cadogan goes about his business in a snakey underhanded way I think you've done a pretty good job of proving turenne's point there Sully. Thats if you want to misinterpret what I said.
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Post by kerrygold on May 1, 2012 21:07:23 GMT
That looks more like the *e Cadogan or OLeary would normally go with. Corks malaise must be rubbing off on their own players and seeping out and targeting other teams now also.
Interesting to see how long they will get away with it without their Guardian Angel.
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2012 21:21:17 GMT
de lorean....... i have given a rationale for Cantys action....... trying to con the ref into giving a yellow to himself and Vaughan and thereby removing Vaughan from the fray as Vaughan was already on yellow. Can you come up with a more benign rationale.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on May 1, 2012 22:17:45 GMT
This is childish and churlish in the extreme and does no credit to the posters. That schoolyard stuff by a few posters here is sad and mods should delete such bile. imho good to see a bit of sense around here.(apologies for deleting the rest of your post-its too difficult to embolden part of a post on this stupid smartphone-pun intended)
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Post by diggerbarnes on May 1, 2012 23:34:10 GMT
This is childish and churlish in the extreme and does no credit to the posters. That schoolyard stuff by a few posters here is sad and mods should delete such bile. imho good to see a bit of sense around here.(apologies for deleting the rest of your post-its too difficult to embolden part of a post on this stupid smartphone-pun intended) Thank you An Ciarrioch T, Dermot.........You haven't complained or neither has Mickey Harte, but Coldrick rode ye last Sunday. I'll give you a few blatant instances which even the TG4 people commented on. In the 40th minute your No5 McCarron was haring through on goal and was brought down by a rugby tackle by Padraig O Neill Kildare's No9. He spilled the ball of course but not even a fee. In the 52nd minute Colm Cavanagh was hauled down in a similar fashion on the Kildare 40meter line. The ball spills, he complains to Coldrick and gets a yellow card for his trouble. He was not agressive about it in any way. A few minutes later, same player Cavanagh, on the left side now, haring through, No 27 Callaghan flattens him with a push and leg trip. You guessed it......no free. A few minutes later, he gave a tap over free in to sub Fogarty when Gormley did nothing more than contest a high ball with him. Gormley says 'thanks Ref' or words to that effect.........yellow card. They were level at 0-10 apiece on 61 minutes and two minutes later Johnny Doyle caught a Tyrone kick out and wasn't fouled by two Tyrone players who went up with him. Free in......point and Kildare go three up. I saw Mickey Harte scratching his head with 5 minutes left as Cassidy ran straight through and was hauled down about 35 out. Free out for steps. O Neill NO 9 did what he liked. He was on his 6th personal foul before he gave him a Yellow card while in the other game only one player Shields the Cork No3 got a yellow on his 3rd and last personal foul. Incidentally, Cadogan wasn't blown even once for any kind of foul whether he was guilty or not is another story. Tyrone will be a different force entirely come championship, with that other Donnelly half forward back along with a fit Sean Cavanagh and Stephen O Neill. Don't think Mickey was too worried about losing a Div2 League Title. Cups like that don't look good on the Tyrone sideboard.
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Post by delorean on May 2, 2012 8:46:12 GMT
de lorean....... i have given a rationale for Cantys action....... trying to con the ref into giving a yellow to himself and Vaughan and thereby removing Vaughan from the fray as Vaughan was already on yellow. Can you come up with a more benign rationale. Yes, I think we all understood what your rationale was. You might be right, but then again Vaughan was stuck in most ugly incidents in the match and there's a reasonable chance that it was a continuation of something that went on before. Hardly worth the effort of two ten second videos in any case. Surely the Mayo players attempts, straight from the Aidan O'Mahony school of b!tchery, to get Cork players sent off were far more worthy. And my main point, which you conveniently ignored, was that you could definitely have thrown a similar accusation at Paul Galvin in the PUC match when he kicked Cadogan after he (Cadogan) was booked a few minutes earlier. Obviously you wouldn't be one for drawing attention to this as it would be in major conflict with your little propaganda attempts. A little bit of balance from time to time might just increase your credibility you know.
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Post by Dermot on May 2, 2012 11:20:21 GMT
A little of balance from time to time might just increase your credibility you know. Good luck with that one Delorean Also - to the Mods, I see a post on page 11 which I posted yesterday seems to have been deleted ? .... Is this the fantom (u know who u are) mod deletion service at work again or did I genuinely say something out of order (pretty sure I didnt though !) ... I didnt get any PM to tell me this chaps so if someone could possibly shed some light on this it would be much appreciated !!
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Post by Dermot on May 2, 2012 11:29:53 GMT
good to see a bit of sense around here.(apologies for deleting the rest of your post-its too difficult to embolden part of a post on this stupid smartphone-pun intended) Thank you An Ciarrioch T, Dermot.........You haven't complained or neither has Mickey Harte, but Coldrick rode ye last Sunday. I'll give you a few blatant instances which even the TG4 people commented on. In the 40th minute your No5 McCarron was haring through on goal and was brought down by a rugby tackle by Padraig O Neill Kildare's No9. He spilled the ball of course but not even a fee. In the 52nd minute Colm Cavanagh was hauled down in a similar fashion on the Kildare 40meter line. The ball spills, he complains to Coldrick and gets a yellow card for his trouble. He was not agressive about it in any way. A few minutes later, same player Cavanagh, on the left side now, haring through, No 27 Callaghan flattens him with a push and leg trip. You guessed it......no free. A few minutes later, he gave a tap over free in to sub Fogarty when Gormley did nothing more than contest a high ball with him. Gormley says 'thanks Ref' or words to that effect.........yellow card. They were level at 0-10 apiece on 61 minutes and two minutes later Johnny Doyle caught a Tyrone kick out and wasn't fouled by two Tyrone players who went up with him. Free in......point and Kildare go three up. I saw Mickey Harte scratching his head with 5 minutes left as Cassidy ran straight through and was hauled down about 35 out. Free out for steps. O Neill NO 9 did what he liked. He was on his 6th personal foul before he gave him a Yellow card while in the other game only one player Shields the Cork No3 got a yellow on his 3rd and last personal foul. Incidentally, Cadogan wasn't blown even once for any kind of foul whether he was guilty or not is another story. Tyrone will be a different force entirely come championship, with that other Donnelly half forward back along with a fit Sean Cavanagh and Stephen O Neill. Don't think Mickey was too worried about losing a Div2 League Title. Cups like that don't look good on the Tyrone sideboard. Yep, you're 100% right Digger, I did think we got a raw deal but hopefully it wont be as blatent come championship time ... If it is though, we'd need to be much much better than them (opposition) to actually win the game. My main concern and the only complaint I alluded to in yesterdays post was the 3rd man tackle and constant blocking of P Harte ... if thats allowed to continue we're in trouble me thinks !! I hope your analogy of us is right and that we'll drive on from this ... It does fit with the fact that we've been very fluent all year up until yesterday ... Time will tell I suppose !!
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Post by misteallaigh abú on May 2, 2012 13:42:54 GMT
In fairness Dermot, Emmet Bolton was targeted by Tyrone on several occasions during the game. Kildare knew that to win the game they had to stop Peter Harte. I don't think, having watched the game that that was the reason for the defeat. Gormley, Kavanagh, O Neill were all unusually quiet when the tempo increased in the 2nd half. Tyrone have a bit of fine tuning to do yet, again on Sunday, when the game was there to be won, their passing was quite sloppy and they seemed devoid of imagination up front. Peter Kelly, Kildare's no2 was my man of the match, he was absolutely outstanding in every thing he did.
I think Harte will have learned a lot from Sunday, you learn more from defeats than from victories. Expect a lot of what Kildare exposed on Sunday to be rectified come championship, however, will Tyrone have the killer instinct up front that they have been lacking in the past 2years?
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Post by Dermot on May 2, 2012 15:42:22 GMT
In fairness Dermot, Emmet Bolton was targeted by Tyrone on several occasions during the game. Kildare knew that to win the game they had to stop Peter Harte. I don't think, having watched the game that that was the reason for the defeat. Gormley, Kavanagh, O Neill were all unusually quiet when the tempo increased in the 2nd half. Tyrone have a bit of fine tuning to do yet, again on Sunday, when the game was there to be won, their passing was quite sloppy and they seemed devoid of imagination up front. Peter Kelly, Kildare's no2 was my man of the match, he was absolutely outstanding in every thing he did. Yeah, I didnt want to complain too much about it as these things happen in games and you just have to get on with it ... We did have a few very quiet lads out there, esp the older bunch but hopefully Gormley & Cavanagh will get a few good weeks of training in and that will improve their form .. Gormley is always a lot better after he gets a decent bit of training in and like Cavanagh, he has had injuries that have kept him out of training and games lately. Hopefully we can get a good clean run .. Please no more injuries Talking about injuries, pity to hear Beny Coulter is out for Down with a broken Ankle !! I think Harte will have learned a lot from Sunday, you learn more from defeats than from victories. Expect a lot of what Kildare exposed on Sunday to be rectified come championship, however, will Tyrone have the killer instinct up front that they have been lacking in the past 2years? Yep, I'm hoping he will have learned and we can correct it !! Learning's one thing but having the resources to do something about it is another That Killer instinct would have been greatly helped by the inclusion of Kyle Conery and thats why I was so happy to see him playing so well ... Not to be now of course unfortunately !
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Post by chrism on May 2, 2012 22:27:46 GMT
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Post by Control5 on May 3, 2012 6:31:37 GMT
Dermot
Your post was deleted because you tried to denigrate Sullyschoice by using the usual "silly" jibe. He had given his opinions on the game and there was nothing to warrant such a comment by you. His subsequent jibe back at you was also deleted. You wont have any problems if you stick to comments on the game. This is the only time that I will explain to you why your posts are deleted. Any more attempts to stir up a reaction will be deleted without explanation.
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Post by Dermot on May 3, 2012 11:56:00 GMT
Dermot Your post was deleted because you tried to denigrate Sullyschoice by using the usual "silly" jibe. He had given his opinions on the game and there was nothing to warrant such a comment by you. His subsequent jibe back at you was also deleted. You wont have any problems if you stick to comments on the game. This is the only time that I will explain to you why your posts are deleted. Any more attempts to stir up a reaction will be deleted without explanation. Control5 lol, So Control 5, my post was deleted because I called Sully "Silly" ? If you arent already aware (which I would presume you are) The very same chap has on many occasions tried to denegrade myself and on many many occasions has tried to do so by calling me British (and infering the same on a post just earlier this week - which you seem to have missed).. Yet you choose my innocious post to start deleting posts ? .... I find that rather interesting to say the least. With all the recent media coverage about this in the GAA (Armagh - Laois) I'd have thought that it would have been more apt for you as a moderator to look out for this sort of thing than deleting my threads for calling some chap Silly ? And by the way, at no point did I resort to calling him a "free stater" or the likes ... I'd like to think I have a little bit more about me than to resort to that ... I'll leave that sort of thing to him as it seems to be his level ! The plain truth is that it doesnt annoy me in the slightest .. I have no problem knowing who I am or where Im from but do you really think me calling him "Silly" should be deemed more offensive ? Or deemed to be "stirring up a reaction" more ? I'd appreciate an answer on that please ?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 3, 2012 14:08:54 GMT
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Post by Dermot on May 3, 2012 16:57:02 GMT
lol
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Post by Control5 on May 3, 2012 22:36:13 GMT
Dermot
I went looking for that post that you referred to and i deleted it. I had missed that. I dont read all posts as I dont have the time.
Send me a PM should any similar posts occur.
Now can we all proceed on the basis of commenting on football and hurling and not instigating hassle?
The deletion of your original post and the reply by sullyschoice saved the rest of us from another tennis rally of insults. I think that perhaps most forumites would want that.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2012 8:03:53 GMT
By Cliona Foley
Mayo rule out making official complaint
Friday May 04 2012
Be the first to comment MAYO discussed the possibility of lodging a formal complaint to Croke Park about how one of their injured players was manhandled by a Cork opponent last weekend.
But they have decided against it because they did not want it to be misinterpreted as sour grapes after their Division 1 Allianz League final loss to the Rebels.
Mayo were furious about the incident and felt it was a potentially dangerous situation.
It occurred when Donal Vaughan went to ground and appeared to have taken an accidental knock to the head from a stray elbow or boot.
Cork defender Noel O'Leary, believing Vaughan was feigning injury, tried to pull him up off the ground before one of his team-mates intervened and stopped him.
The Rebel defender received heavy post-match criticism for the way in which he manhandled an injured opponent before he had been attended by team medics.
Mayo were particularly annoyed that RTE's highlight package did not mention it, but instead saw Joe Brolly berate Vaughan for alleged 'diving' later in the game. But they have decided that a complaint could be misinterpreted and have decided to let the matter rest.
- Cliona Foley
Irish Independent
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Post by Dermot on May 4, 2012 10:47:37 GMT
Dermot I went looking for that post that you referred to and i deleted it. I had missed that. I dont read all posts as I dont have the time. Send me a PM should any similar posts occur. Now can we all proceed on the basis of commenting on football and hurling and not instigating hassle? The deletion of your original post and the reply by sullyschoice saved the rest of us from another tennis rally of insults. I think that perhaps most forumites would want that. Control5 Hi Control 5, does this mean I cant call him Silly anymore ? lol
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Post by delorean on May 4, 2012 11:28:44 GMT
"Manhandled", My God! Don't get me wrong, I thought O'Leary made a bit of a show of himself but get a grip Mayo, and yes it still sounds like sour grapes. It just so happended that O'Leary picked the wrong incident to do that. As for Vaughan I guess it was a case of the boy who cried wolf.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2012 12:04:01 GMT
OLeary was out of order, the player could have had suffered a neck or spinal injury. The physios suggestion of introducing a red card should be brough in immediately to prevent serious injury occuring to a stricken player.
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Post by kerrystar on May 4, 2012 12:33:42 GMT
By Cliona Foley It occurred when Donal Vaughan went to ground and appeared to have taken an accidental knock to the head from a stray elbow or boot. - Cliona Foley Irish Independent Why can she not report what happened? She completely misrepresents what ocurred. Vaughan was tripped by O'Neill which led him to fall and bang his head into Cadogan's hip area. O'Neill was rightly yellow carded by the referee for same. Lazy journalism.
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Post by delorean on May 4, 2012 12:35:15 GMT
No mention of Shields being "out of order" to throw the ball at him (or was it another Mayo player?) when they were down faking an injury. Suppose they didn't want to bring attention to that incident though. I do see the concern from a physio's point of view obviously and already said O'Leary was foolish. Kerrystar - she is the pits. This is how she described how Donal Óg got his injury a couple of weeks back... "Cards were dealt, eyebrows were occasionally raised but most of the onlookers in the bar struggled to stay awake and the only dramatic note in the first half was the sight of Cork's veteran goalkeeper and captain Donal Og Cusack being stretchered off with a serious injury. It occurred when the 35-year-old dived to save a long-range rocket from Thomas Stapleton after 16 minutes and, initially, looked innocuous."Anybody that saw the incident will know that isn't remotely how it happened. I know this is more a matter of opinion but her player ratings for the game were beyond belief also. She really isn't doing anything to promote more female sports journalists. (......runs for cover )
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2012 12:43:09 GMT
Eventually the antics of Sheilds, Cadogan and O'Leary will catch up with them, thats a given.
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Post by delorean on May 4, 2012 12:49:42 GMT
Eventually the antics of Sheilds, Cadogan and O'Leary will catch up with them, thats a given. Fair enough, we'll heed the warning from those who know best.
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