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Post by lorr29 on Jul 25, 2010 20:43:29 GMT
When do we find out when the matches are? I've booked my ferry home and dont fancy having to drive to Dublin that same night
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 25, 2010 20:46:33 GMT
Dublin have got the draw from hell while Cork have the draw they would have dreamed of. If both Tyrone and Cork progress they will collide in the semifinal. That could be the heavy weight contest of the year. Presumably Dublin/Tyrone and Kildare/Meath matches will be stand alone fixtures. That would leave Sunday for the other two contests. This is not what the golfing fraternity in Killarney want but, as somebody else pointed out, Tyrone and Down cannot play on Monday because it is not a bank holiday up there. I am old enough to have been a sad witness in 1960, 1961 and 1968 when Down beat us. A lot of other people on the forum will remember a further defeat in 1991. That is a remarkable record Down have against us, better even than Tyrone. Of course their current manager, James McCartan, will this week be picking the brains of his father, James, and uncle, Dan. Both of these were stars on the Down 1960/61 team, James on the forty and Dan at centre half back. James was a genuine powerhouse on the forty. He is a regular visitor to the Listowel races and usually pays a visit to an old foe/friend from those days,Jerh. D. O'Connor. I know little or nothing about this current Down team. Benny Coulter is as good as most forwards around so, presumably, Marc will be his companion for the day. Martin Clarke seems to be a very thoughtful player and has a delightful kicking style. I am sure Dermot will kindly supply us with a comprehensive dossier. It promises to be a hectic weekend with the Meath/Kildare match possibly the most intriguing. My biggest hope for the weekend is that Dublin do not fold like they have for the past two years. It would be a sensational victory for them if they up scuttled the Tyrone boys. Good points once again by Vet. My feeling from the generation before me is that they were quite bitter about their experiences against Down in the 60s’. Even the legend Mick O’Dwyer complains to this day about some of the tactics that were used against the Kerry team when he played against the Mournemen. We are a competitive animal in Kerry and perhaps we struggle with admitting sometimes a team is just better than us. For me, I have great respect for what Down achieved and they traditionally play a brilliant brand of football. 91’ I remember well, this was during the famine years for Kerry football and we had been absent from the big stage for over 5 years and it was hurting. We also knew after that day in 91’ that a return to All Ireland winning ways was still a long way off for Kerry football. From the game itself - I remember the power and pace of Peter Withnell at full forward who had his day of days for Down and ripped us to shreds in the second half. I remember a young John Cronin from Waterville getting a welt of a shoulder from a Down player that lifted him up off his feet and drove him into the advertising hoarding leaving his great future in a Kerry jersey behind him. I remember the old guard of Spillane, Jack O’ and Ambrose combining for one great Kerry score that only made us ache more for days that were gone. The Down forwards on that team were truly outstanding – orchestrated from the 40’ by the brilliant footballing brain that was Greg Blaney. They had an outstanding free taker and worker in Ross Carr, the dynamic James McCartan and the legendary Mickey Linden. They won two All Irelands and in truth if the back door existed they would probably have won more.
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Post by desmondsman99 on Jul 25, 2010 20:55:59 GMT
Kerry appear to have a straight run at the final. That would make it 7 All Ireland finals in a row... But lets not get to far ahead of ourselves. Kerry should handle Down even without Tomas and Paul. I base my belief on the fact that Kerry will still have too much fire-power up front. Down weakpoint is there defence. There forwards are decent enough but Gooch and Star will make sure Kerry win.
The semi-final will be a much more difficult clash in my opinion. Meath have come on leaps and bounds this year and could trouble Kerry. But its Kildare that would be my big worry. And for one reason only " Kiaran McGeeney" He has brought the Northern style " puke fotball " with him to the lillywhites. Kerry have shown before that they struggle against this type of football. Armagh and Tyrone are two teams that have beaten us this decade playing puke football. Monaghan are another team that have taken us 12 rounds twice and have been on the wrong end of split decisions. Luckily Down are one of the few Northern teams who dont adopted the aforementioned tactics. But still I would expect Kerry to progress to the Final should Kerry meet Kildare in a semi final, basing this on the fact that Tomas and Paul will be back and rearing to go and this will settle the backs and the forwards would again be too good for the Lillywhites...
P.S: My prediction for all ireland final Kerry vs Tyrone
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Post by kerrystar on Jul 25, 2010 21:01:59 GMT
The semi-final will be a much more difficult clash in my opinion. Meath have come on leaps and bounds this year and could trouble Kerry. But its Kildare that would be my big worry. And for one reason only " Kiaran McGeeney" He has brought the Northern style " puke fotball " with him to the lillywhites. Kerry have shown before that they struggle against this type of football. I think you're wrong there, Kildare don't really play a northern style game at all, think they're quite similar to Cork, if more direct than Cork. The majority of their team is strong and athletic and they seem fantastically fit, seem to wear teams down in the last twenty minutes of the game. Would imagine Kerry will field same team as Limk game with O'Mahony replacing T O'Se
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2010 21:05:42 GMT
When do we find out when the matches are? I've booked my ferry home and dont fancy having to drive to Dublin that same night Fixtures will be announced around lunch time tomorrow lorr.
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Post by lorr29 on Jul 25, 2010 21:13:52 GMT
When do we find out when the matches are? I've booked my ferry home and dont fancy having to drive to Dublin that same night Fixtures will be announced around lunch time tomorrow lorr. Cheers Kerrygold. I'm delighted I'll be able to get a match while I'm home ;D
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Post by nkgirl on Jul 25, 2010 21:16:03 GMT
Fixtures will be announced around lunch time tomorrow lorr. Cheers Kerrygold. I'm delighted I'll be able to get a match while I'm home ;D Hope not Saturday Sunday would be best really
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2010 21:17:17 GMT
Thankfully kerry's and Down's history against each other in the championship will demand that kerry will have to go into this game fully focused. Their history will focus minds and bring a bit of tension to the tie.
Four great games in prospect, it should make for a wonderful carnaval of football next weekend in the Cathedral by the canal.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2010 21:19:42 GMT
Fixtures will be announced around lunch time tomorrow lorr. Cheers Kerrygold. I'm delighted I'll be able to get a match while I'm home ;D No worries lorr, where else would you want to be, crossing the pond, Croker bound with the evenings shortening and a wee kick of autumn in the air.
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Post by kerrystar on Jul 25, 2010 21:22:35 GMT
Fantastic footage here of 1960 All Ireland final Kerry v Down
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 25, 2010 21:37:35 GMT
The semi-final will be a much more difficult clash in my opinion. Meath have come on leaps and bounds this year and could trouble Kerry. But its Kildare that would be my big worry. And for one reason only " Kiaran McGeeney" He has brought the Northern style " puke fotball " with him to the lillywhites. Kerry have shown before that they struggle against this type of football. I think you're wrong there, Kildare don't really play a northern style game at all, think they're quite similar to Cork, if more direct than Cork. The majority of their team is strong and athletic and they seem fantastically fit, seem to wear teams down in the last twenty minutes of the game. Would imagine Kerry will field same team as Limk game with O'Mahony replacing T O'Se Well said Kerrystar, Desmondsman, I think that you are well wide of the mark. Kildare have embraced the modern game, have some fine footballers and play as good a brand of football as any team left in the championship. Their defence is a good bit tighter, their tackling has improved greatly.All of the planel have bought into Mc Geeney's fanaticism and it shows on the pitch. They have an excellent draw, they will have no fear of Meath and will really put the Meath forwards under serious pressure. How they react to playing their 6th game in as many weeks will be a major factor in the game. I really hope they can perform on the day, I watched their warm up before the game yesterday and I wonder is the reason they start so slowly that their warm up is so long and so intense. Kerry should be happy with the draw, defeating Down and avoiding Cork in the semi final has set things up nicely for them if they can get over Down. Down are not short on quality up front, it's their back line that I would feel that their weaknesses lie. Dublin have a huge chance to atone for their disappointments in recent seasons. It will be fascinating to see if they can out Tyrone Tyrone. I cant see them having enough quality to quite make it, however, they won't implode as they have against Kerry and Tyrone in '09 and '08. Cork got a very handy draw against a very limited Roscommon team. They will cruise through to what hopefully, will be a titanic clash with the Tyrone boys. Can't wait for next weekend, hope to make a few of the games.
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Post by Sliabhlucra on Jul 25, 2010 21:44:24 GMT
We need Sheehan and Mike Mc to kick for space, try and find touch as they have long kicks. Use Seamus/Star in the line out, then we get the ball down and maybe use a rolling maul with Quirke driving them on. If we are outweighed/muscled then we need to spread it wide to Darren and Barry John for the space...let them eat the yards to gain ground in the oppositions territory, might be smart to slow it down now and again so we can get Sheehan in good positions for kicking points.
Worked well for Meath.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 25, 2010 22:12:31 GMT
Latest rumour is that Mary McAleese will throw in the ball for Kerry's Quarter-Final. Game will be refereed using live links to The Sunday Game studio and also the TV3 studio. Five minutes after the end of the match, RTE, TV3 and the CCCC will hold a conference call to discuss what suspensions will be handed out to the Kerry players. grow up please
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 25, 2010 22:40:11 GMT
Talk is that there will be two double headers on Saturday and Sunday. Dont know which one we will be in but i am guessing Dubs game and Meath game will be on different days.
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Post by diehard on Jul 25, 2010 23:15:19 GMT
Talk is that there will be two double headers on Saturday and Sunday. Dont know which one we will be in but i am guessing Dubs game and Meath game will be on different days. I'd love to know where this "talk" comes from. Whatever day the match is on it'll be interesting to see how kerry cope with a very lively and competent outfit like down. Tommy Griffin I reckon will suit M. Clarke. Tommy prefers the bigger fellas to the speedsters. Who will take Coulter is another days work. Tom O Sullivan i suppose not have the best of years but he'll prob end up taking him. That one will be a crucial battle as will Dan Gordan and Star. Interesting stuff ahead.
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Post by mafi97 on Jul 26, 2010 0:06:39 GMT
Dublin have got the draw from hell while Cork have the draw they would have dreamed of. If both Tyrone and Cork progress they will collide in the semifinal. That could be the heavy weight contest of the year. Presumably Dublin/Tyrone and Kildare/Meath matches will be stand alone fixtures. That would leave Sunday for the other two contests. This is not what the golfing fraternity in Killarney want but, as somebody else pointed out, Tyrone and Down cannot play on Monday because it is not a bank holiday up there. I am old enough to have been a sad witness in 1960, 1961 and 1968 when Down beat us. A lot of other people on the forum will remember a further defeat in 1991. That is a remarkable record Down have against us, better even than Tyrone. Of course their current manager, James McCartan, will this week be picking the brains of his father, James, and uncle, Dan. Both of these were stars on the Down 1960/61 team, James on the forty and Dan at centre half back. James was a genuine powerhouse on the forty. He is a regular visitor to the Listowel races and usually pays a visit to an old foe/friend from those days,Jerh. D. O'Connor. I know little or nothing about this current Down team. Benny Coulter is as good as most forwards around so, presumably, Marc will be his companion for the day. Martin Clarke seems to be a very thoughtful player and has a delightful kicking style. I am sure Dermot will kindly supply us with a comprehensive dossier. It promises to be a hectic weekend with the Meath/Kildare match possibly the most intriguing. My biggest hope for the weekend is that Dublin do not fold like they have for the past two years. It would be a sensational victory for them if they up scuttled the Tyrone boys. Good points once again by Vet. My feeling from the generation before me is that they were quite bitter about their experiences against Down in the 60s’. Even the legend Mick O’Dwyer complains to this day about some of the tactics that were used against the Kerry team when he played against the Mournemen. We are a competitive animal in Kerry and perhaps we struggle with admitting sometimes a team is just better than us. For me, I have great respect for what Down achieved and they traditionally play a brilliant brand of football. 91’ I remember well, this was during the famine years for Kerry football and we had been absent from the big stage for over 5 years and it was hurting. We also knew after that day in 91’ that a return to All Ireland winning ways was still a long way off for Kerry football. From the game itself - I remember the power and pace of Peter Withnell at full forward who had his day of days for Down and ripped us to shreds in the second half. I remember a young John Cronin from Waterville getting a welt of a shoulder from a Down player that lifted him up off his feet and drove him into the advertising hoarding leaving his great future in a Kerry jersey behind him. I remember the old guard of Spillane, Jack O’ and Ambrose combining for one great Kerry score that only made us ache more for days that were gone. The Down forwards on that team were truly outstanding – orchestrated from the 40’ by the brilliant footballing brain that was Greg Blaney. They had an outstanding free taker and worker in Ross Carr, the dynamic James McCartan and the legendary Mickey Linden. They won two All Irelands and in truth if the back door existed they would probably have won more. Just two points on John Cronin. (1). JC was off balance and it was not a "shoulder". (2). It was a very bad injury that led to the "leaving his great future in a Kerry jersey behind him". Actually, I would make a third point. Very few would "lift JC off his feet" with a "shoulder".
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 26, 2010 6:35:39 GMT
last year we played Antrim, the day I arrived in Antrim. This year I live in Down and we play Down. Maybe I should move to Leitrim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 7:54:33 GMT
I see two double headers also with the Kerry game on the same day as the Meath Kildare game. Overall a decent draw. Down are a coming side but are not at the level of the likes of Kerry yet.
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 26, 2010 8:01:36 GMT
If they are going down the route of a double header then it would make sense for them to have the 2 quarters -> 1 semi arrangement. Let us on the same day as Meath/Kildare and Cork on the same day as Tyrone/Dublin. It would give supporters, managers etc a chance to see the possible opposition for the semi final and also there would be no team being given an extra days rest.
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Post by animal on Jul 26, 2010 8:05:08 GMT
Would be happy with that draw in fairness and in particular to get the easier side of it with Tyrone and Cork due to meet once again. I've only seen Down once this year and that was against Tyrone. They started that match very well indeed and had Tyrone on the ropes for a good 15 to 20 minutes. However Tyrone soon took control and for the remainder of the match Down looked exceedingly average. Lack of experience will surely tell against them next weekend.
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Post by popeye on Jul 26, 2010 8:22:24 GMT
last year we played Antrim, the day I arrived in Antrim. This year I live in Down and we play Down. Maybe I should move to Leitrim Why whats up with Leitrim? Grow up a small bit kid
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Post by patinkerry on Jul 26, 2010 8:29:54 GMT
Injuries temper McCartan's joy
JAMES McCARTAN'S satisfaction at seeing his side dish out a 19-point hammering to Sligo was tempered by concerns about the fitness of two of his key players for next weekend's All-Ireland quarter-finals.
Defender Damian Rafferty and forward Benny Coulter both picked up injuries, which forced them off during Saturday's clash with the defeated Connacht finalists at Kingspan Breffni Park.
Coulter was clearly limping as he walked off the pitch 10 minutes into the second half and Rafferty's participation in the match ended on 55 minutes.
"Damian has an arm injury, and Benny got a kick to the leg and there was no way that either of them could continue in the match," said the Down boss.
"It's always a worry when players pick up an injury, and, with only a week until our next match, the two lads don't have much time to recover from their injuries. We won't know until later in the week how the two of them are fixed for next weekend."
McCartan was adopting a very cautious approach after the showdown against Kevin Walsh's charges.
"Of course, it's very satisfying at seeing the team put up such a big score and win so comfortably in such an important match," he said.
"But on the other hand it's very easy for players to get carried away in such a situation, so we've got to ensure that we do as much as possible to keep their feet on the ground over the next week.
"It's going to be a huge test for us next weekend, and, as well as being physically right for the occasion, we've got to be mentally right. We're only in the All-Ireland quarter-finals, and we're still a long way away from a place in the All-Ireland final."
The former Down great, whose side led by 1-10 to 0-6 at half-time, went on to sound a warning note about the Mourne County's experience in the championship two years ago.
"After a good win over Offaly, people were really building Down up," he recalled of the side managed by his predecessor, Ross Carr. "But then in the next game against Wexford, Down never performed to their ability and they crashed out of the championship."
"Sligo were coming off the loss to Roscommon in the Connacht final just six days earlier, and it's very difficult for teams in those situations," he pointed out. "I think it's very unfair on a team that loses in a provincial final to have to come out in the championship again so soon afterwards and the current system is definitely flawed.
"But because of the tightness of the fixture schedule, I don't know if there's any way around it.
"We also had a game last Sunday (against Offaly), but, unlike Sligo, we were coming off a win and had the benefit of that momentum. I felt sorry for Sligo, because after the year they had it was a pity that they went out of the championship in such a manner."
Sligo boss Walsh said he felt the mental factor played a significant part in his side's failure to get their championship campaign back on track.
"It was definitely more mental than physical for us," he said. "The lads were naturally very down after losing the Connacht final, and it's very hard for players to get themselves mentally right for their next match so soon afterwards.
"We tried as hard as we could to get the players right mentally, but that's not an easy task. I think the two games against Galway took an awful lot out of us, and we didn't cope favourably with being overwhelming favourites for the Connacht final.
"As well, the fact that our two midfielders, Tony Taylor and Stephen Gilmartin (who came on for the last 30 minutes), were injured was a massive blow for a county that doesn't have a big pick of players."
After two years at the Sligo helm, the former Galway star was non-committal about his future. "It's not something I'm thinking about at the moment, and there's no rush about making a decision in that regard," he said.
From the start, Down looked the fresher team, and but for a super save by Sligo goalkeeper Philip Greene, from Paul McComiskey, Walsh's side would have been no score to 1-3 adrift after just three minutes.
On 30 minutes, Down did find the net through John Clarke -- to go 1-8 to 0-3 ahead -- and midfielder Ambrose Rodgers added a second goal just minutes into the second half.
Second-half sub Ronan Murtagh, who shot five points, then fired home the third four minutes from time.
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Rodgers and Kalum King controlled the midfield exchanges, and up front former Aussie Rules ace Martin Clarke expertly pulled the strings, with his brother John and Danny Hughes also proving real thorns in the side of the Sligo defence.
David Kelly and Adrian Marren occasionally looked dangerous in the Sligo attack, but Alan Costello, who shot five points in the Connacht final, made little impact, and was yellow-carded before he was withdrawn nine minutes into the second half.
SCORERS -- Down: R Murtagh 1-5, M Clarke 0-4 (0-2f, 0-1 '45'), A Rogers, J Clarke 1-1 each, D Hughes 0-3, M Poland 0-2 (0-2f), K McKernan, P McComiskey, C Garvey, P Fitzpatrick 0-1 each. Sligo: S Coen 0-3 (0-2f), A Marren 0-3 (0-3f), D Kelly 0-2, M Breheny (0-1f), C McGee 0-1 each.
DOWN -- B McVeigh 6; D McCartan 7, D Gordon 8, D Rafferty 7; D Rooney 7, K McKernan 8, C Garvey 7; A Rodgers 9, K King 8; D Hughes 8, M Poland 6, P McComiskey 7; B Coulter 7, J Clarke 8, M Clarke 8. Subs: R Murtagh 8 for Coulter (45), D O'Hagan 6 for Rafferty (55), P Fitzpatrick 7 for King 56), J Brown for M Clarke (61), R Sexton for McComiskey (61).
SLIGO -- P Greene 8; C Harrison 5, N McGuire 5, R Donovan 6; K Cawley 5, B Kennedy 5, J Davey 5; E Mullen 5, S Davey 5; A Costello 5, M Breheny 6, E O'Hara 5; S Coen 7, A Marren 6, D Kelly 7. Subs: P McGovern 5 for J Davey (17), S Gilmartin 5 for S Davey (39), K Sweeney 5 for Costello (44), C McGee 6 for Breheny (47), F Quinn 6 for O'Hara (54).
Ref -- M Deegan (Laois).
Irish Independent
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Post by KY50 on Jul 26, 2010 8:45:33 GMT
We have probably got the toughest draw with Down. They are a very good team and really put it up to Tyrone in Ulster. They have some excellent forwards who can score. Cork were lucky to get Roscommon as the extra time could have taken a bit out of them but I expect them to come through. We will need to be at our best and fully focused to beat this Down team
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 26, 2010 8:49:17 GMT
The past defeats to Down have no relevance to the 1/4 final even though hundreds of column inches will be devoted to those defeats over the next week. Galway had a similar reputation for having a hoodoo over Kerry from the 60s with both sides beating Kerry 3 times in that decade which was ended in the 00's with 3 c'ship and 2 league final victories for Kerry.
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Post by himself on Jul 26, 2010 9:13:51 GMT
"We have probably got the toughest draw with Down."
Ah god love us. There's cute hoorism and then there's dumb prostitution. I think there were a couple of tougher draws out there!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 26, 2010 9:21:09 GMT
"We have probably got the toughest draw with Down." Ah god love us. There's cute hoorism and then there's dumb prostitution. I think there were a couple of tougher draws out there! Still, history between the teams will concentrate minds and minds will need serious focusing, complacency is one of sports most dangerous quick sands when it starts to pull downwards.
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Jul 26, 2010 9:57:05 GMT
"We have probably got the toughest draw with Down." Ah god love us. There's cute hoorism and then there's dumb prostitution. I think there were a couple of tougher draws out there! True- in fairness we've more of a history with Cork and Tyrone, so to have them on the other side is the best possible draw.
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Post by popeye on Jul 26, 2010 10:00:22 GMT
Down ok they'll treat them with respect and caution because you simply dont know what to expect from them. Big names for down are martin clarke and benny coulter these two have caused a bit of bother for a few backs this summer. There classy players. It could have been a lot worse in fairenss. any idea lads if the game is on monday will paul galivn be able to play??
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 26, 2010 10:14:02 GMT
No Paul Galvin's suspension doesn't end until the weekend of the 8th August...He got 8 weeks from the 13th June!!!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 26, 2010 10:24:00 GMT
I for one don’t subscribe to the notion that this is an easy draw for Kerry. Down are an up and coming team that play a nice brand of football. Throw into the mix that we are without our two biggest in field leaders for the day and I think it will be a fairly tight match. The two Clarkse, Benny Coulter and Polard/Polland will do more than enough to occupy the Kingdom defence. Their midfield is solid if unspectacular while their Achilles heel is the full back line. The match ups in defence will hold the key to this one. Marty Clarke plays as a notional corner forward and roams all over the place. We could put Tommy Griffin on him as Tommy is more comfortable out the field anyways. Some people are say that Marc should be the man for Benny Coulter. In ways he is but Benny also drifts in and out the field and is a great fielder of the ball in his own right.
I would be more of the opinion of putting Tommy griffin on Benny coulter as he is more physically suited to Coulter. As well as that Downs first reaction when the game is going away from them is to bring Coulter out into the middle third of the pitch. This would suit Tommy down to the ground.
I would let Tom O’ Sullivan take Marty Clarke. This is purely because the other Clarke plays as a conventional corner forward and I would let Marc take him simply because I’d prefer to keep Marc in around the house. Of course as always a football game takes on a life of its own and players can be switched as needs be. The big selection in the half back line is whether or not to draft Aidan O’ Mahony straight in at wing back or give the jersey to one of the pretenders. Aidans form over the last few years has been sluggish and unless he is absolutely flying it in training I would give one Bohane a go. The only thing that might come into the managements consideration is that if they detail Tommy Griffin to go after coulter the might want a stopper at centre half. If plays he can he can easily be switched in from the wing with Mike Mc continuing he’s attacking raid from the flank. Midfield has been a conundrum all year. After his display the last day Quirke should start alongside Scanlon. However if the game is tight with 20/25 mins to go I would rather see an experienced head like Quirke coming onto the field rather than leaving it. I have a inkling that we may see a Moran / Scanlon axis in the middle of the park at the weekend. Our half forward line will be the same as the one that began against limerick in Killarney. Darren needs to work himself into the game more. I would like to see Sheehan playing more as a conventional corner forward at the week. He plays his best looping back around for the pop pass. Only for it being halfway through the season I would advocate playing Bryan in the centre of the park. Cooper and Donaghy to continue their good form. I think Kealy will be fine in Croke park. My only worry is that he will be targeted with high ball. Especially with Dan Gordon,Marty Clarke, King and Coulter lurking around All in All I expect Kerry to win but maybe by only 3 or 4 points
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