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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2005 11:49:14 GMT
I agree that Tyrone aint an overly physical team but what they will do is go to any lenghts to win a game.
After Gooch threw back his elbow at the guy trying to mount him in Limerick there was numerous calls in the media and on this forum for the book to be thrown at him. Mulligan kicks a guy in front of the cameras in the semi final and no mention of it from the Tyrone contingent here and apart from Davis on the Sunday game it was also ignored by the media.
McGinley is going to be fit according to latest reports but I doubt he'll start. Same for Gourley who cannot be anywhere near match fit. Will Tyrone stick to McMahon at full back or will Lawn come in. What'll be their midfield pairing. Will they have watched how Tom Se was quietened by the Mayo basketballer in the 1/4 and put Cavanagh on him. Cant see there being so many question marks over our team selection and while Kerry will respect Tyrone I think Tyrone will be more concerned about negating the opposition than we will be.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Sept 13, 2005 14:54:10 GMT
Do you realise that in 9 pages of comments not one Kerry writer has summoned the spectre of an O Neill county victory in their opinions? I think you're letting Old Man Emotion cloud your judgement. 'Twas my prediction in April and I'll stick by it- if I allow my heart to overrule my head and if I had to bet my family's life on a team, I'm afraid that treacherous as it may seem I'd have to pick the northern boys. The qusetion must be asked- hw good are Tipperary, Limerick, Cork and Mayo?
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 13, 2005 15:05:07 GMT
back on 13 th august u were predicting a cork victory in the semifinal, and look what happened there! and contrary to what many people think (here's looking at u bigmac!) kerry people can be objective and arent always clouded by "old man emotion"
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Post by phpearse on Sept 13, 2005 15:11:42 GMT
Buck02 - McGinley is a cert to start. Despite O'Neill scoring achievements this year McGinley has put in man of the match performances in 2-3 games this year. He's a vital part of our team and game.
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Post by KevinT on Sept 13, 2005 15:36:42 GMT
The qusetion must be asked- hw good are Tipperary, Limerick, Cork and Mayo? If thats the case , How good were Down ,Cavan, Dublin and Armagh ??
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 13, 2005 15:37:52 GMT
back on 13 th august u were predicting a cork victory in the semifinal, and look what happened there! and contrary to what many people think (here's looking at u bigmac!) kerry people can be objective and arent always clouded by "old man emotion" eh what have i said now ;D
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 13, 2005 15:41:47 GMT
The qusetion must be asked- hw good are Tipperary, Limerick, Cork and Mayo? If thats the case , How good were Down ,Cavan, Dublin and Armagh ?? well i think we all know how good armagh are,dont we ;D
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 14, 2005 10:01:17 GMT
[eh what have i said now ;D am only teasing u bigmac ;D ;D
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 14, 2005 11:00:55 GMT
[eh what have i said now ;D am only teasing u bigmac ;D ;D dont worry kerrydoc i'm sure i'll be able to come up with some sort of insult before the final ;D
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 14, 2005 13:09:16 GMT
there'll be lots of them i'm sure! still, we'll give as good as we get, if not better! looking forward to it bigmac...
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Post by vman on Sept 15, 2005 1:56:35 GMT
Anybody willing to try and predict the score? i think i'll have a lash. Kerry 1-12 Tyrone 0-11
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Post by homerj on Sept 15, 2005 7:37:20 GMT
its a bit early for predicting scores- a nice dry ball, with little or no wind, id said we will do it by 2
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Post by kerryman on Sept 15, 2005 8:25:05 GMT
I think it will be higher scoring than that vman. Tyrone to be the first team to beat Diarmuid Murphy this year. Another penalty maybe! Kerry 2-13 Tyrone 1-15
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Post by dec on Sept 15, 2005 9:51:40 GMT
Yep agree. Its going to be a high scoring game... All this talk of blanket and pillow and sofa defences will go out the window.. Fast open game of football in store.. The team that will have the least wides will win.. Possession will have to be turned in to scores at every opp.. Its not about who will defend better but rather who will score better.. Kerry by 4 Scoreline something like.. 2-13 1-12.. Dont think its going to the battle of attrition that Armagh V Tyrone was.. Skill and class to shine through. After the game people will be talking about the quality of football on offer rather than negative tactics either team plays.. Am I a little too optimistic
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Post by Kerry39 on Sept 15, 2005 11:15:08 GMT
Am I a little too optimistic I think you are. I believe that we will see plenty of battles on the pitch, some clean hard and tough, some dirty and over the top, and some downright sinister. It will still be a high scoring game, and yes the skill and class will shine through, but not before some "incidents". The only way that Murphy's clean sheet record will be broken is with a penalty, a dodgy penalty. He ozzzes confidence, and with full back line he has in front of him, we can rest easy. However there is no accounting for a bad referring decision, or a bit of Tyrone acting, so anything could happen. I really do think that we can score well against the Tyrone defence. We saw how Dublin could when they got their act together, and we should be able to do better. So a couple of goals, and plenty of points from us. As good as our back are, they still leak points, and any frees will be punished by Tyrone. So, what about something like: Kerry 2-18 Tyrone 1-12
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Post by Dermot on Sept 15, 2005 12:18:05 GMT
Am I a little too optimistic The only way that Murphy's clean sheet record will be broken is with a penalty, a dodgy penalty. He ozzzes confidence, and with full back line he has in front of him, we can rest easy. However there is no accounting for a bad referring decision, or a bit of Tyrone acting, so anything could happen. Snoooze !!!! ............. Getting the old excuses in early there Kerry34 ! .....i.e. So if we do get a penalty its obviously going to be an unfair one ! - Thats some talent you have...knowing that... and the match still a week and a half away ! Am I a little too optimistic So, what about something like: Kerry 2-18 Tyrone 1-12 Hmmmm................... Thats what I like to see !
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Post by Kerry39 on Sept 15, 2005 12:24:35 GMT
Snoooze !!!! ............. Getting the old excuses in early there Kerry34 ! .....i.e. So if we do get a penalty its obviously going to be an unfair one ! - Thats some talent you have...knowing that... and the match still a week and a half away ! Well Dermot, two dodgy penalties in the last two matches, and a full forward line well used to "diving", we all remember PTG against McCarthy two years ago. This is all I have to go on! Only question is whether O'Neill will go with the same side again!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 15, 2005 12:38:28 GMT
I'm not going to go into detailed thoughts on the match until next Friday, when the teams are named, the nerves are up and we're out the gap, but for about a week and a bit now, I can't shake the following kind of score line from my mind:
Tyrone 0-13 Kerry 1-17
It's bugging me that I'm this confident when I know Tyrone are more dangerous than the scoreline predicts. More next week - there's a weekend of chat and pints yet to try and figure out what both Mickey and Jack do with their teams.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 15, 2005 12:44:50 GMT
Snoooze !!!! ............. Getting the old excuses in early there Kerry34 ! .....i.e. So if we do get a penalty its obviously going to be an unfair one ! - Thats some talent you have...knowing that... and the match still a week and a half away ! Well Dermot, two dodgy penalties in the last two matches, and a full forward line well used to "diving", we all remember PTG against McCarthy two years ago. This is all I have to go on! Only question is whether O'Neill will go with the same side again! Now don't be starting all that aul crap again- Or I'll remind you about your precious Gooch and his antics ! But you keep making your excuses early - Bodes well for us me thinks !
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Post by kerryman on Sept 15, 2005 12:49:19 GMT
Any chance of a score prediction there Dermot?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 15, 2005 12:50:42 GMT
Any chance we could get an auld prediction off yourself Dermot - it would be good just to get your own thoughts on it. Over on Hoganstand.com you'd think t'was Leitrim Minor ladies Tyrone were playin on the 25th!!
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Post by tombo on Sept 15, 2005 12:54:30 GMT
Exactly, ur quick enough to get the last word in alot without actually giving your own informed opinion?
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 15, 2005 12:56:30 GMT
hohanstand.com worth a visit for sheer entertainment value all right. my prediction is kerry 2-15 tyrone 1-14
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Post by Dermot on Sept 15, 2005 13:41:22 GMT
Jasus lads....don't all jump on me at once ! Don't worry about the Hogan Stand site - thats mostly wee girls and people taking the piss ! The reason why I haven't predicted a score is because I think its bloody impossible ! So - if you want my honest opinion here it is ! I honestly think it's going to be close but I think we may just shade it and here's why ! (I know I'm going to regret this but here goes ! ) You guys have a couple of lads who are NOT playing as well as they were - e.g. Moynihan, D O'Se, O'Cinneide, Mike Frank. You've lost Crowley altogether (he would have suited this match) .... I think Cooper is better than 2003 and Galvin is a good addition and you've shored up a bit at the back !......... All in all I think you are possibly a better "TEAM" now but I just think that we are still that bit better ! On Tyrones downside is first and foremost our biggest loss (which really puts all this football lark into perspective) Cormac )(RIP)... After that we have to take into account loosing Hub Hughes and Gerard Cavlan (who will be back next year - apparently playing the football of his life at the mo and regrets not training for County this year). The only other loss we have had is Conor Gourley who is now fit but I certainly don't expect to see him on. On the plus side we have a good defender in Joe McMahon which we needed big time. also we have more options in the back line than we have had in a long time with McGee and Sweeney fighting to impress ! McMenamin, Gormley, Cavanagh, Oneill, Mulligan and McGinley are all playing better than they were in 2003. Also, we have a (hopefully and seemingly) fully fit Canavan which we didn't have the last time - Love him or hate him he gives the team so much, and so many options its unreal - He could be the difference on the day ! McGuigan and Dooher are virtually unstoppable and are I believe the best in the country at what they do ! I think they are excellent in clearing up ball and between them and our half backs like Jordan we will be very hard to handle ! Also - Holmes is now available which is a major plus as we have won feck all in MF recently - If we get near 50% in MF you could be in big trouble ! So there you have it - I can't predict a score because I think that a bit daft but I just predicted the winner ! At the end of the day I could be miles off or I could have it off to a tee !.................We'll know on the 25th ! Meant to say also - that a lot of it is down to which players perform on the day ! I'll sit back and await the abuse !
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Post by kerryman on Sept 15, 2005 15:48:26 GMT
Reasonable post Dermot. Bear in mind that the majority of our players are a country mile better than they were the day ye beat us in 2003 so I think that negates yer point about some of our fellahs being worse than they were. We have far better management as well.
Dooher, McGuigan, Kavanagh O Neill and Mulligan are making huge strides for ye alright.
Tyrones improvements are getting a lot more press than us though as all of our matches have been nice n' low key.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 15, 2005 16:06:36 GMT
Yeah Kerryman - I agree youz are better than 2003 !
I think we have the overall better forwards and you guys have a more solid defence (although both are class !)
MF will have a big say in the proceedings !
I just think that Canavan may be the difference on the day !
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Post by buck02 on Sept 15, 2005 16:13:22 GMT
Cant say I think Mulligan is playing better now than he was in 03. Also dont agree with Dermots view that Joe McMahon is a good defender (based on 1 game v armagh) - maybe against someone like Clarke who doesnt move and is just fed in high diagonal balls to break, unless Kerry decide to play Big Mike or Donaghy full forward he'll have to compete with a far more intelligent full forward the next day. Dublin scored over 1-14 & 1-15 in their games against Tyrone, a similar scoreline from Kerry and its two in a row I reckon.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 15, 2005 17:46:49 GMT
Yeah Kerryman - I agree youz are better than 2003 ! I think we have the overall better forwards and you guys have a more solid defence (although both are class !) MF will have a big say in the proceedings ! I just think that Canavan may be the difference on the day ! Based on current form I'd pick Gooch ahead of Canavan. However Mulligan and O Neill are better than out 2 A.N.Others at full forward and the other corner. Our backs should be able to keep them quite-ish all going well.
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Post by Kerry39 on Sept 15, 2005 17:53:27 GMT
Good stuff Admin just had a look. Do you know yet whether there is "Open Training Day" for kids this year? Just got the info today. Will update site later. Check back closer to the time for any possible changes to this tho.... = = The Kerry Senior Football Panel are giving their young supporters an opportunity to meet them at an Open Day which will be held at Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney on Saturday September 17th commencing at 12 o’clock midday. Admin, I am checking back closer to the time! Is this still going ahead at 12 on Saturday? (I need to arrange travel). Thanks.
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