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Post by animal on Jul 28, 2006 9:01:47 GMT
My one worry is that Donaghy has been put in there for the high ball. Fair enough. However we can't limit ourselves to high ball for the whole game. Is he mobile enough and cute enough for low diagonal balls etc. This is what Johnny Crowley gave us. I don't know if Kieran gives us that option. I've faith in him once the ball is in hand from his basketball experience but we'll see. Best of luck to the guy anyway.
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Post by TheCritic on Jul 28, 2006 9:12:22 GMT
If nothing else, Donaghy give us options!! Keeps the defence guessing! They know now its not just going to be a ball into Gooch everytime!!
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Post by kerryman on Jul 28, 2006 9:37:55 GMT
While I have no problem with Donaghy being at full forward, lets not forget that he was very good (and steadily improving) at midfield. I hope Tommy can fill his shoes out there.
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Post by seamus on Jul 28, 2006 9:54:46 GMT
Thats my big worry too kerryman. While i rate tommy griffin highly i think he is more of a wing back from what i have seen of him with dingle. It puts more pressure on Dara for the kickouts as tommy is not great in the air.
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Post by jerkyturkey on Jul 28, 2006 9:54:51 GMT
i feel tommy will do grand out there. he has been around for a while now although his game time has been quite low.
i think he complements dara very well doing the rooting and tearing leaving dara free to control the game. he could be the new donal daly
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Post by seamus on Jul 28, 2006 9:57:51 GMT
Daly was very good in the air though..... I hope Griffin does'nt let the game pass him by and goes searching for work like he does with dingle.
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Post by TheCritic on Jul 28, 2006 10:23:47 GMT
Must say Tommy has always performed well for the Kingdom! A good run for him will surely be good for business in his pub in Dingle!! West Kerry have good representation on the team, 1/3!!!
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Post by seamus on Jul 28, 2006 10:28:49 GMT
Its not just Paidi who likes them back west so!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2006 11:13:38 GMT
Thats my big worry too kerryman. While i rate tommy griffin highly i think he is more of a wing back from what i have seen of him with dingle. It puts more pressure on Dara for the kickouts as tommy is not great in the air. kerryman and seamus,thats why i 'd like to see fitzmaurice at centre back with seamus in a free role between the two fortys falling back from wing forward. well i'm out the gap,down the n7,a feed of crab claws for dinner to -night with a bottle of white wine and a walk to the top of the hill in the morning to survey the lenght of dingle bay and out to the blaskets,how bad,kerry by six.
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Post by champer on Jul 28, 2006 11:19:55 GMT
over the course of 2-3months you have convinced me kerrygold about playing moynihan at wingforward!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2006 11:37:29 GMT
champer, i think seamus could play a massive role for kerry at wing forward,i also think fitz is too big of a strong man to have sitting on the bence, i have to go,i want to get through adare before the limerick traffic,hopping for a huge crowd to-morrow.
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Post by TheCritic on Jul 28, 2006 13:03:25 GMT
See you there Kerrygold, I'll be the one with the green and gold jersey, shouldn't be hard to find!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2006 13:57:18 GMT
Good one there Critic..........
As for me........ I am happy that there is a big target man at 14. Every successful winning all ireland team have to have the option of the high ball into the full forward line......... remember Johnny Crowly.
As far Londford.......... it would be great for football if they win...........
It could be a quiz question in 10 years time........... which manager started and ended his manegial career with defeats by Longford
Up the kingdom
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Post by buck02 on Jul 28, 2006 15:14:26 GMT
Right I'm off so my final prediction is a Kerry win by 6 or 7 points, something like 1-13 to 0-10. Come on Kerry, this is the chance to get back on track and to avenge 02.
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Post by RashersTierney on Jul 29, 2006 16:27:33 GMT
:)Well, strange, and very interesting contest! If Kerry wanted a hard, physical battle for 70 mins before Armagh, they sure as hell got it there today. They did what they had to do, in a match where they were always on a hiding to nothing, and scored 4 goals. They also learned that Donaghy can be very effective, even devastating IF he is given the service. Thought Cooper & MFR did as well as allowed, which was good. Brosnan took his goals very well, great support play, great link play by Cooper especially. Longford will not want condescending sympathy, the fact is they didnt have enough firepower to use the possession, and the full-back line couldnt cope at times. Other than that they did alot right. Kerry have alot of work to do, but will very much enjoy coming in as underdogs against Armagh, and the Orchard will find that situation awkward. All to play for then. Kerry defense has work to do as well, they looked very troubled when forwards ran at them in close, and Armagh have players who can take the longer scores, which Longford didnt. So all in all, have to make Armagh slight favourites, but Kerry can win if they up their game 25-30% from this, and that could happen.
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Post by redbag on Jul 29, 2006 17:05:06 GMT
Very difficult to read into today's game. Take out the goals, (how many would we have got against Armagh in the same lead up? One) and Kerry weren't very impressive up front. However to be fair, when you do score that many goals, it takes the fizz out of a game.
First 20 minutes the Kerry backs got roasted. Seamus had a dismal day centre half back, just couldn't hold on to the ball at all, and got thrown off the ball quite easily for the longford goal. Though that Dara was luck to stay on the field, that was a very high elbow that went to the Longford midfielders face. Griffin was ok, nothing special.
Gooch is slowly but surely coming back in to form.. MFK was ok, had a few nice touches, but penalty and poor showing in second half took the gloss off. Donaghy had a great game on the full, some absolute peaches of balls played in to him. Good to see us moving away from holding up the ball.. If we had played this way against cork in the first game, regardless of who was in full forward we would have done a lot better. Brosan, with the hat-trick had some great combo play with Gooch, and has cemented his centre forward position for the quarter final.
Last 20 mins of the game, Kerry backs were in control. Aidan O Mahoney made great breaks down his wing. Marc had great tussle with the Longford full forward. Very impressed with Varden brothers and Kavanagh.
Declan tried hard when he came on, but shooting shoes haven't come back... Hard call to make if Darren should be started against armagh, physically he may struggle... Though sean sullivan showed well when he came on.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 17:47:46 GMT
Donaghy 4 - 11 Longford 1 - 11.
S He ran the show today and covered up for an average enough showing from Kerry. Some parts were much better than in Cork games , others were poorer. The better performances came from the forwards - thank God.
Donaghy must have either scored or had a hand in all of Kerry's scores. I thought he was outstanding and he will cause big problems to any team on the edge of the square. He was assisted by great play from the 2 corners who linked well with him and also created the space for him to run into and win ball.
I thought Mike Frank had a great game and although he narrowly missed a few scores , he is streets ahead of anybody else for that remaining corner position. He won tonnes of possession and he will always be dangerous. I wouldn't worry about the penalty although it would have done his confidence even more good if it went in.
Gooch and Brosnan superb, perhaps overdone it a bit at times and will need to take the points against Armagh.
Dara was good enough at midfield and Tommy was average.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 17:58:51 GMT
Big worries over the form of Tomas and Moynihan. Tomas , for me ws anonymous whilst Seamas looked old and slow , dare I say it.
We will not beat Armagh unless we improve dramatically in this sector. I thought both players were left on too long by Jack today. I would be in favour at this stage of bringing back Mossie and Eamonn for Moynihan and Tomas. Put Mossie and Tom Sull in the corner and bring Aidan and Marc out in the half back line with Fitz.
I would also start Sean Sull instead of Darren or Declan.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2006 18:25:37 GMT
Sufficient unto the day is the glory thereof.............
Longfords forwards would have throubled any defense.......
Will they beat Armagh......... it may be coming up too soon........6 days......
Kerry are not the finished article but every team has problems......
I though the substitution of Darren was premature unless he was injured.....
As for the big target man at 14........ hopefully the lesson is well and thruly learned..........and also that the Gooch/Brosnan combo is worth 6 points in most games....
Tomas o shea has played well since that local hero broke his jaw in 1994......
We now have a gameplan that could beat armagh.......... prior to today I would have given Kerry no chance....
I feel that the prospect of a rematch against Cork will be even more of an incentive to beat Armagh.......... what have we against Armagh.......they deserved the all ireland they got
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Post by RashersTierney on Jul 29, 2006 18:29:09 GMT
I'm sure your Pony will come roaring back with a point to prove the next day. He needs to...... Does anyone think that Donaghy is the new Bomber? Is he potentially better? Be afraid.........
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2006 18:34:05 GMT
Has this thread had over 11000 hits........ can this be correct? Is the whole country lookin in?
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 18:40:51 GMT
One other point about today's game - I thought the ref was poor particularly harsh with regard some decisions against Kerry. Could prove costly in a tighter game.
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Post by kerryndub on Jul 29, 2006 19:00:21 GMT
It was great to see the Donaghy experiment working so well. We have seen the slow build up, with short passing, fail so often in important games against Northern teams. This new tactic gives us hope against Armagh next week. Disappointed to see Darren O sullivan taken off. He was doing very well. He is one of our best young prospects and should be given every chance to consolidate his place on the team. This should have been done during the League but Jack kept dropping him and giving him short runs. Tommy Griffin is another who has been badly treated in the same manner in recent years. I'm afraid Seamus Moynihan does not have the legs any more for half back. He has been one of our greatest ever but all the footbal he has played seems to have taken its toll.
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Post by bannerman on Jul 29, 2006 19:27:09 GMT
We did what we had to do we were on a hiding to nothing really.
Im still not happy with murphys kickouts.
Backs seem ok but moynihan has no legs simple as that I would put moynihan midfield to mark mcgeeney the next day let them cancel eachother out. I would aidan wing back and will probably get slated for this but put brendan guiney wing back he will love all the banging and big hard hits that gonna happen and if anyone can drive out of groups of orange shirts it will be him. Tomas o se form is a worry..... stick with him though
I would leave darren there on the wing armagh wont like him there and he could also stop kernan raiding up the field
Full foward line did good and I hope they keep the three there but I have a gut feeling mfr is going to be dropped for declan sullivan
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2006 20:52:45 GMT
Was Darren injured? I would be upset if I were him if there was no injury........
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 29, 2006 21:05:41 GMT
It was a kind of a strange game today. Kerry seemed to fade at times, and if Longford were able to take there scores with a bit more accuracy it could have been a slightly less flattering result. But I presume that happened because of the cushion of the goals and perhaps the lads weren’t under any pressure. It’s nice to see Colm Copper and Eoin Brosnan back on form. Well done.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 29, 2006 21:20:22 GMT
Just goes to prove what BRosnan can do if he is played in his best position. I was delighted with the Donaghy Experiment...worked very well..Whats the betting on Francie Bellew lasting 70 minutes. I can see Donaghy soaring in the air and getting spun like a windmill when Francie clatters into him from behind. Prediction..Not even Frank Murphy and PAtrick Mc Entee could get francie off with that one.
I am off to Croker more in hope that confidence. All round performance is not great. I didnt think MFR was great (forget about the penalty). The real worry for me today was the performance of the backs. Very porous for long periods and better teams will make them pay. Hate to say it but Seamus Moynihan needs to be moved.
Donaghy is not the new bomber, shooting is a bit suspect, but he is closer to being a good target man than we have had in a while.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 21:27:40 GMT
Agree with you in the main Sully, although have to disagree re Mike Frank. He contributed well and I think we supporters tend to expect too much of him. He linked well , scored and wasn't afraid to have a pot at a point. Who is better at the moment? I would hate to see him dropped and think that he will only get better especially now with a target man inside.
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Post by driveon on Jul 29, 2006 22:17:43 GMT
Does anybody else think Jack has lost the run of himself as far using of subs? Seems to me he doesn’t kno when to use then? • Took of Darren when we really could have needed him to carry the ball against the breeze in the second half if thing got tight! • Switched Seamus and A O’Mahney when he should have I think just replace him wit fitz. • He then took off Seamus when he was just coming into the game • And as for bringing on couple of subs together really think it seems to upset the thing for a while each time
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 30, 2006 12:04:15 GMT
drop seamus. Thats all i have to say. Hes too slow and ponderous and too often in the first half longford started their attacks coming down the middle. Could start fitzmaurice there but hes not fully match fit having played so little lately and looked off the pace aginst cork. We could start fitz there take him off when he tires and throw seamus on when the game loosens up iin the second half. As for star i always said he's be a great full forward. And gooch will be grand
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