Whats the point in having rules

[sullyschoice]

When are the GAA going to do something about their rules.

How the hell could Frank Murphy convince anybody that Anthony Lynch didnt connect with Donaghy, and even if he didnt he intended to. Lynch is a fine player and usually not a dirty one, but on this occassion he should have taken his medicine.

MAtty Forde deserved his suspension.

Our games are shagged if they dont implement the rules properly. You dont see other sports rushing to the High Court if things dont suit them.

New Rule...Sign up to the disciplinary procedures without recourse to Court or F Off.

They are ruining the sport

[Tadhgeen]

Cork will try every trick in the book. Coming late on to the pitch for second half, for example. Morgan should be booked for that and banished from the line. Only way to stop that play-acting. We were perhaps a bit naive in not appealing Donaghy's yellow card.

[Attacking Wing Back]

Jesus lads let it go..kerry were beaten fair and square

[bigbelly]

i dont think kerry have much grounds to complain, remember dara o se a few years ago and the red card that never was.....

[outsider23]

Was it the case that in the referees report, it was stated that Lynch was sent off for striking, not for 'attempting to strike' and once the video evidence showed he didn't strike then the ref was wrong and hence his suspension rescinded.

Bigbelly you're right about dara o se back in 2002 and what about Paul Galvin this year. He was meant to serve 6 months and how many did he serve?? POT KETTLE BLACK

[jonnyyuma]

I agree with the two previous posts that Kerry are the last people to preach about referees reports and overturned suspensions. Kerry were beaten fair and square yesterday and the turn out of Kerry support was a disappointment.

[sullyschoice]

I am not complaining about kerry being beaten. They deserved to loose the first day and were even worse yesterday.

I have gone on record here complaining about the Galvin incident.

What is the point in having rules. Its gone past a joke now. This sort of crap where the XYZ committee can only deal with a matter if it is NOT referred to in the referees report is rubbish.

DEAL WITH THE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS PROPERLY. No wonder refs get kicked in the balls and locked in the boot of a car. The kickers will probably get off with it cos the ref mentioned it in his report

[sullyschoice]

Jump on somebodys neck with your knees, gouge someone in the eyes, have a mass brawl. Punch someone in the face. Dont worry nothing will happen you. It sends out great signals to young fellas.

I am just waiting to see Mattie Forde walking into the highcourt with a file under his arm.

A word to the Wexford county board. He did it on purpose...he may not have planned it in advance and had a rush of blood to the head, but it was not an accident

[realist]

Totally agree withyou Sully. The GAA disciplinary system is a joke, a laugh, a disgrace......I could go on. Aren't they really advertising the game to our younger folk!!! It will be a game played by scumbags and knackers only in another few years at the rate they're going!!!!

[nicoshea]

okay agree with alot. maybe Lynch should not have played, but if he wasnt playing would that have made much of a difference? Would we have won? Don't think so....

Cork had some things in their favour:
1) They were faster and fitter than Kerry
2) There is more of a hunger there for Cork to win as oppossed to Kerry winning
3) Cork had easily 20 times more support than Kerry yesterday, Roaring at the top of my voice didnt help, when you had 20,000 cork fans roaring over you. We are getting a bad reputation of been know as the supporters who only travel to Killarney and Dublin for the final, Where were half the fans that were looking for All-Ireland tickts last September, and if by some miracle we are there this year, they will be looking again.

What we need to do is go on Saturday week to Killarney and get behind and support our team...........
Do we think we can do that???

[Mickmack]

Frank Murphy should be ashamed of himself for this stunt

[kerrygold]

it all boils down to the inability to accept one punishment in the modern era,i'm glad kerry didnt appeal donaghys ban,opinions coming from wexford lately with regard to forde is pure gringe factor.

[smellUlater]

Well u shouldn't complain too much, cork only returned a puch to the goulies that we gave them a few years ago with the dara o se incident.
all in all though the whole disciplinary system is a joke. teams have to accept their punishment or if lose an appeal get the suspensions increased

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Breheny in todays Indo on disciplinary issues
Post by inforthebreaks on Today at 15:44


Discipline system losing all credibility
Wednesday July 19th 2006


MONAGHAN football manager Seamus McEnaney is unhappy. He can't understand why, if Matty Forde was deemed to have had a disciplinary case to answer, it wasn't dealt with sooner.

Instead, it was heard just a few hours before Wexford played Fermanagh last Saturday. Forde was banned - a decision that effectively guillotined Wexford's survival prospects. A week earlier, Forde had scored six of eight points as Wexford chopped down Monaghan.

Wexford, minus Forde, would probably have lost to Monaghan, who, in turn, might well have beaten Fermanagh.

if Forde was to be suspended, it should have happened before the Monaghan game. Failure to do so impacted on Monaghan, whose displeasure is totally justified.

Wexford themselves had good reason to be unhappy after they were forced to play a qualifier game just six days after losing to Offaly. Cynics will contend that, if it were put back a week, Forde would have been ineligible but that's not the point.

Controversy

Wexford's clash with Offaly was delayed by weeks because of the 'blood sub' controversy involving Kildare. It had nothing to do with Wexford but it still affected them.

Roscommon won the Connacht football minor title for the first time in 14 years last Sunday and have had their All-Ireland quarter-final tie against Tipperary fixed for Tullamore on Saturday week, while the juniors play Kerry in the All-Ireland final in Ennis a day later.

Kerry minors play Mayo as part of a double-header in Ennis on that Sunday, leaving the Kingdom with a neat catch-all whereas Roscommon supporters face two trips on separate days. The Roscommon minor team, in particular, will bring a big support so it would be nice if they could have linked up with the junior final.

Roscommon senior manager John Maughan believes that it's another example of a smaller county getting a bad deal.

"There's a view out there that the elite set get whatever they want and the rest have to take what's left and it's hard to argue against that when you see decisions like his," he said.

Monaghan and Wexford would probably agree.

Which brings us to the case of Cork's Anthony Lynch, who had his four-week suspension confirmed last Wednesday night only to have it wiped off the slate 48 hours later, leaving him plenty of time to prepare for last Sunday's Munster final replay.

The exact circumstances in which Cork were able to convince the central appeals committee that referee Joe McQuillan was wrong to give Lynch a straight red card for a striking offence remain unclear.

It's believed that they produced frame-by-frame video evidence to support their case and that, coupled with word-by-word deconstruction of the referee's report as it applied to line-by-line interpretation of a complicated rule, convinced the CAC that Lynch had no case to answer.

Confused? Me too.

Why did the CAC watch the video? They are not entitled to re-hear a case on the specifics of the incident but rather on whether the original hearing was carried out properly.

GAA president Nickey Brennan will demand a full account of what transpired and has promised that the disciplinary code will be tightened up considerably from January 1 next.

The problem is that people have lost faith in the system. What Cork wants, Cork gets is only a slight exaggeration of a view that's expressed regularly around the country.

Please, folks, don't shoot the messenger - that's what the public are saying.

Lower profile counties believe that, while Cork are at the top of the influence pyramid, there are others perched fairly high up too.

You would hate to think it's true but there's enough evidence to raise serious doubts as to the soundness and efficacy of the disciplinary system. It was having a bad run anyway but, when a player has a straight red card rescinded (thereby totally over-ruling the referee's report) in unusual circumstances less than 48 hours before a major game, it's easy to see why there's such cynicism around.

When that player is from Cork, a county with a high success rate in disciplinary hearings, it raises even more questions. Not, mind you, of Cork but of a system that's dipping very close to the discredited zone.

Martin Breheny



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Re: Breheny in todays Indo on disciplinary issues
Post by owenabue on Today at 15:54

I’ve a funny feeling he doesn’t like Cork. No mention of Dublin or Tyrone. Isn't that funny?!
Oh and Friday night to Sunday afternoon plenty of time to prepare for a Munster final? I’m lost on that point.
By the way, I’m not agreeing with what Cork did.

[mattie500]

Unfortunately the GAA are still an amateur organisation dealing in an era where there is a professional approach to the game. Any advantage gained by any means is fair game. I do not condone anybody raising an elbow or whatever but everybody has to deal with the rules as they stand. Cork applied that princilple and got reward. The GAA has to look at the disciplinary procedures of the other codes and take some of the principles and come up with an air tight process. Too many sub committees etc. Its true that Kerry have created some fog in the past re. suspensions etc. There should be no way that anyone should be able to get a red card recinded. What will be next...... will there be challenge to the score that a referee puts in his report..... will the point from a dubious free be challenged. They have to get their house in order!!!!!

[kerrygold]

anyone else feel that monaghan have a case to fight for and have been scandously treated.

[austinstacksabu]

You'd like to think they can, but I'm sure they've fought against the system themselves once or twice!

[Hoffster]

It is totally unfair but sure that's the GAA and part of its charm..otherwise we'd have nothing to complain about.

[kerrygold]

another rediculous farce,the donegal full back campell has being suspended for a month for an incident in the ulster semi final,having played in the ulster final he will now miss the quailifier game v fermanagh and an all-ireland quarter final with cork,joke or what.
you would have have to wonder what goes on behind closed doors at these meetings,its starting to resemble something like a justice system from the wild west in the 1800's.
on entering croker the quilty players proberly walk across a room,the floor cover in sand with a electric fan in the corner blowing bundles of tumble weed by his feet to simulate the wild west,in the back ground they proberly have that wistling swirling wild west music playing to enhance the atmosphere.
out of the corner of his eye the player spots a frankie "bow" murphy type figure standing at the gallows with his hand resting on the trap door handle.
the fankie "bow" murphy type figure with grey stubble,jr euing type hat on his head,match stick between his teeth,cow boy boots and strirrups speaks,his beedy eyes betray a cheesy smirk,"forde and campbell sit over there on the cactus seats.
another player enters the room as slowly moves forward,frankie "bow"murphy again speaks,o, hello anthony boy,how are they all by the banks,the gorgeous daisy here,will take you up stairs to the 7 star suite till we rumble through the tecnicalities,ring us if you need anything to make your stay more comfortable he says with a loving smile.