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Post by gaadevotee on May 22, 2006 14:43:52 GMT
do ya not think the atrocious weather had a major part to play in the small attendance??
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 22, 2006 14:51:28 GMT
Or the fact that I was in a train on the way back from Cardiff.....
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Post by kerrydoc on May 22, 2006 15:13:49 GMT
in fairness it was a very poor show. waterford seemed to have a sixeable portion of the crowd there. i know the driving conditions werent great, but once u got there there was plenty room at the back in the stand and i didnt get a bit wet. there were a few brave souls on the terrace with umbrellas - now thats dedication!
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 22, 2006 15:15:37 GMT
Oh will you relax.....are you honestly going to try and run a guilt trip over the thousands of Kerry people who made the trip to Cardiff for one of the most memorable sporting days? Give over will you. I've defended myself before here and don't feel the need to do it again. I've been to more Kerry games than most in recent years on this forum and other GAA games too. I'm proud to say I was in Cardiff.
Guilt my arse.
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Post by Walter Mitty on May 22, 2006 15:31:33 GMT
Lets not get carried away now Kerry North..... I would not call some one who did not show up the last day a sun shine supporter for a number of reasons;
1. The weather was septic
2. The opposition was septic
3. Everyones health was septic after Satuday!!!
If it was not for the fact that I'm just back from holidays myself I would have been over in Cardiff in a shot.....
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Post by islandexile on May 22, 2006 15:32:59 GMT
I'll jump on board for the All-Ireland quarter final probably.
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Post by moth on May 22, 2006 15:47:30 GMT
As one of the one foolish enough to go, I take my hat off to those who had more sense. What a waste of time and money. Yes, I had cover in the stand, but I was soaked before I reached that cover.
This, IMO, is a mis-guided thread. What we really need to ask is why Waterford, who have lost their last 23 championship matches, are expected to travel to play one of the best teams in the country. This game should have been played in Waterford - at least that way we'd have had some craic on the bus down & up.
Finally, the jersey is a joke. Bad enough to be expected to fork out for 5 jerseys every few years, but at the very least they should be Kerry jerseys.
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Post by Joxer on May 22, 2006 15:54:13 GMT
I think its a fair point KerryNorth...and its not a dig at those he were in Cardiff...I too don't think the attendance in Killarney would have swelled that much if Cardiff hadn't clashed with it. (I'd prefer to hear Cardiff explanations than weather excuses...was it too wet for ye pets?...aw, god love us, sure they'll be another day and if all goes well, the weather should have picked up by the time you get your All-Ireland final ticket and why bother with the games in between, thats only for mugs).
People have different reasons on different days for not being able to attend but 3000 people and 1000 of that from Waterford is pathetic support....but the 2000 that bothered to show up will be in no better position to get an All-Ireland final ticket if Kerry are in the final this year than those who stayed at home. Something wrong with that. Loyalty and support being taken for granted again.
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 22, 2006 15:56:52 GMT
Lets not get carried away now Kerry North..... I would not call some one who did not show up the last day a sun shine supporter for a number of reasons; 1. The weather was septic 2. The opposition was septic 3. Everyones health was septic after Satuday!!! If it was not for the fact that I'm just back from holidays myself I would have been over in Cardiff in a shot..... 3. No better cure than a bitter wind in the Sullivan stand cutting thru you for 3 hours!  It worked for me. Try 11 hours door to door from the outskirts of Cardiff to Gatwick, Ryanair flight delayed, no taxis at the airport. I'm dyin still. |
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Post by kerrygold on May 22, 2006 16:02:47 GMT
i wouldn't fly with ryan air even if they paid for my flight.
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Post by kerrygold on May 22, 2006 16:06:44 GMT
I think its a fair point KerryNorth...and its not a dig at those he were in Cardiff...I too don't think the attendance in Killarney would have swelled that much if Cardiff hadn't clashed with it. (I'd prefer to hear Cardiff explanations than weather excuses...was it too wet for ye pets?...aw, god love us, sure they'll be another day and if all goes well, the weather should have picked up by the time you get your All-Ireland final ticket and why bother with the games in between, thats only for mugs). People have different reasons on different days for not being able to attend but 3000 people and 1000 of that from Waterford is pathetic support....but the 2000 that bothered to show up will be in no better position to get an All-Ireland final ticket if Kerry are in the final this year than those who stayed at home. Something wrong with that. Loyalty and support being taken for granted again. thats the great farce of the ticket system,i suppose we will hear the usually speel now of,the club voluneers who drive half the parish arount to underage games for nothing,i suppose thats where they were all yesterday,off earning their all-ireland tickets,no point in going to support the team,that doesn't put the all-ireland ticket in your pocket. |
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Post by realist on May 22, 2006 16:44:28 GMT
This is a stupid topic, and the fact that it has actually annoyed some of ye baffles me. People were right to go to Cardiff! Of course they were. A once in a life time sporting occassion. There are Kerry games everyother weekend for flip sake. Plus EUR20 in to the game yesterday was scandalous. If the GAA want crowds for early championship games they should at least make it attractive to people/young families etc etc. A huge statium empty doesn't make sense to me!
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Post by Jo90 on May 22, 2006 17:46:01 GMT
This, IMO, is a mis-guided thread. What we really need to ask is why Waterford, who have lost their last 23 championship matches, are expected to travel to play one of the best teams in the country. This game should have been played in Waterford - at least that way we'd have had some craic on the bus down & up. Finally, the jersey is a joke. Bad enough to be expected to fork out for 5 jerseys every few years, but at the very least they should be Kerry jerseys. Good point. Didn't the Kerry hurlers throw a tantrum a few years ago when they didn't get home advantage? Waterford should get home advantage for a few years to see if it improves things. A Tommy Murphy Cup in 2006 is well within their capabilities and would make a Munster three-in-a-row after Clare and Tipperary won it the previously. I personally don't care too much about the jersey as long as the numbers are easy to read, but in general GAA jerseys look putrid in comparison to soccer and rugby ones and are very ill-fitting and unflattering to anyone who doesn't have the body of an intercounty player unlike rugby jerseys. |
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Post by realist on May 22, 2006 18:14:30 GMT
Dear Kerrynorth, I read all the posts and actually followed the topic for a while before I commented on it. I don't believe I said anywhere in my comment that I deemed it to be in any way "anti cardiff" as you so put it. Maybe you should spend some time and read properly what I said in my post!!!!! And yes Kerry do have games quiet frequently over the course of the year. Between National League Games, National League SemiFinals and finals when we get to them(which we did this year), McGrath Cup, Tournament games(field openings etc), And then the championship. Loads of opportunites for people to see games in my opinion. And you comment "enjoying a high right now"  What highs? The National League?? Well if that's your idea of a high you should go and support a team like Cork who would condsider it a high to win the league. A high for Kerry is when Sam arrives into Killarney in September and the months afterwards. And if I am correct we haven't had Sam for a few years now or maybe you'll tell me to read the posts somewhere else where it says that we actually won the AI and I missed it!!!! |
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Post by watchdahop on May 23, 2006 7:14:54 GMT
I was one of the ejjits up on the terrace.
Dara O'Cinneide was standing just down the way.......
He mustn't have been seen supporting the team at a match in over 10 years.......Now thats what you call a "fair weather" supporter!! :-) :-)
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2006 11:08:27 GMT
Where are all these Munster rugby fans when Cork Con play Garryowen or Young Munster?
The club scene is dying in rugby with no attendances.
We now live in an affluant society where people want to go to EVENTS....be in U2 in Croke Park or whatever. People have to have a reasonable expectation of being entertained and the hurling and football championship is farcical until July at the earliest. i would even go at far as saving that it doesnt start till the august weekend.
The players are the real heros. I am sure they would have loved to have been in cardiff too but they were duty bound to wear the green and gold. Nicky English said that the occasion in cardiff was the best he was ever at and he has been part of a few special occasions. In my view, we owe it all to the players who give up so much and miss out on so much and for that reason we should temper our criticism of them until they are doing it for a living.
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Post by Aine on May 23, 2006 13:11:46 GMT
I was one of the ejjits up on the terrace. :-) :-) Jaysus you're a brave one!! Was sitting nice and cosy in the stand just behind the Kerry dugouts. Jack O Connor didn't worry about the rain - he didn't go into the dugout once! Were you one of the ones with an umberella or without an umberella!!? ;D |
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Post by Joxer on May 23, 2006 13:24:09 GMT
Have to agree with Aine there, you're one brave supporter...that was a little bit above the call of duty...the half-time entertainment for me, was listening to two kids nearby, counting those on the terrace opposite and dividing them into those who had brought umbrellas (stupid but afraid of what their momma would say if they went home wet....but Mom, I saved 5 euro) and those that hadn't (eejits, plain and simple, according to my neighbours). Anyway, well done. I normally prefer to be on the terrace too but last sunday, I baulked!
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 11:43:38 GMT
Will all the proud Munster supporters be supporting their Railway Cup teams this year?
That is if its even on anymore given the shabby support.
As for the Waterford game a lot of us are in the middle of exams too so its hard to make it down from Cork and the likes to give up 4/5 hours to see Kerry hammer Waterford.
Priorities in fairness
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 25, 2006 11:48:14 GMT
FT, it all comes down to marketing in the end.....and positive stories. The Railway Cup hasn't given us a positive story since Christy Ring was about.....
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 11:49:05 GMT
Well don't give me this Munster by the grace of god crap so.
Its some mockery in fairness.
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 25, 2006 11:49:52 GMT
Mockery of what? Of being from Munster?
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 11:57:10 GMT
Aside from Rugby have you ever considered yourself from Munster.
I certainly haven't - its not on my postal address.
I am a GAA fan - if I had any sort of affiliation toward being from Munster then I would support my Munster GAA team.
I don't.
And neither do 1% of that Munster crowd support them.
If they are GAA fans and so proud of Munster (it is a grace of god if they are to be believed) then how come they don't?
Why? - Bandwagon!!!!!!!!
Following a winning team.
Just like the crowd who don't support Na Piarsaigh or the Glen but still look for Cork tickets for the Hurling Final.
Think there are a fair few of them around our own place too.
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 12:15:19 GMT
No not really.
I said the Munster Fans who are GAA Fans too.
Pure Rugby Supporters I have no problem with.
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Post by realist on May 25, 2006 12:19:49 GMT
I agree with FT to a point. Look its like the soccer. Chealsea fans popping up all over the place cause they are winning and successful. Same as Munster in my opinion. Now don't get me wrong, of course people are entitled to go to Cardiff for one of the great Irish sporting occassion ever but some of them are going on like the followed them all their lives and probably wouldn't be able to find Thomond PArk if you asked them to. I said before in a previous post that I felt this topic was worthless because the dead horse has been well and truly flogged on this one!!!!!!!!!
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Post by watchdahop on May 25, 2006 13:28:36 GMT
Fair weather supporters like the poor will always be with us!!
It happens in every sport.
The more sucessful the sports team the more the fair weather support.
Plenty fellows go to "support" Kerry in All Ireland finals and its their first game all year.
I know the usual agruement that some fellows dont go to Kerry games during the year but in fairness that doesn't account for everyone (we only have so many underage teams to train)
I live in Cork and its been a funny week. I know of lot of rugby guys who stuck with their sport through thick and thin.
There are also plenty band wagon jumpers who will be in Cardiff Croke Park and the K Club before the year is out. Thats not rugbys fault and its not the GAAs fault either.
What about the guy I heard in the Gresham before the 2004 Final who was telling anyone who would listen that the COOCH would destroy Mayo. Thats right the COOCH!!
Come on the COOCH, the best hockey player that ever came out of Castleisland!
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 13:38:31 GMT
I'll give ya better(ok its nots, thats unbeatable but this is quite funny too.)
National League Final 2004 Vs Galway.
Watching it in a pub in Boston (Green Briar) and a man from BallinSkelligs tried to tell me that Gooch was a one season wonder, no good and that Ronán O Connor was a better player.
Needless to say I switched off at that point.
Wouldn't dignify that kinda tripe with a response.
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 25, 2006 13:40:34 GMT
Couldn't agree more watchdahop.
You don't see 83,200 people at the first round of every league or championship game, nor do you see 75,000 at every Celtic League game from September on either.
There are plenty of very knowledgeable and hardcore GAA fans around Ireland who don't go to every game their county plays in. Similarly there are plenty of people who have a passing or mediocre interest who don't go to every game either. It's as the excitment grows throughout the year that they start going to games, down to the fairweathers who go once a year to the All Ireland.
As to calling most Munster fans fairweather, to be fair FT, they filled Lansdowne Road for their quarter final, semi final and final. That's three games. They also filled Thomand Park for each home game this year. I wouldn't call that fairweather by alot of people. I have been one of 18,000 who once trekked across to Toulouse for a game, and one of 8,000 who made our way to Leicester for a quarter final despite there only being 19,000 tickets available for the game!! Yes, we don't turn out in huge numbers for the Celtic League, but your diehards do.
Not everybody is a diehard fan of their chosen sport, or a fanatic, like you, Kerryman, Seamus and a few others among us here are. It's a fact of life and it's something you should have got used to a long long time ago.
On a final note, if it weren't for the fairweathers and medium interest fans, I guarantee you, a) Croke Park would never be full for the All Ireland final, and b) the modern Croke Park wouldn't have been built. Fact is, without the money non fanatical supporters pour into the game during big match days, the GAA wouldn't exist as we know it. Nor would the IRFU, the FAI, etc.
Get used to it Tom. It's a fact of life. It happens as surely as the sun follows the moon, as surely as the Pecker Dunne playing his banjo on the bridge in Thurles on Munster hurling final day.
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Post by FatTom on May 25, 2006 13:48:24 GMT
Ha its not really the Bandwagon(every team needs one for revenue) but this Munster by the Grace of God stuff that kills me.
Plus the fact that these GAA fans would never support Munster in any other sense in terms of sport they are associated with.
I have no problem with Munster as such, was delighted to see them win, just think its a bandwagon too for.
I for one don't like associating myself with Cork People!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Jo90 on May 25, 2006 14:18:04 GMT
So, when will you jump on the bandwagon? [/u][/b][/quote] I jumped on in 1981 and have been holding on for dear life ever since! |
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It worked for me.
What highs? The National League?? Well if that's your idea of a high you should go and support a team like Cork who would condsider it a high to win the league. A high for Kerry is when Sam arrives into Killarney in September and the months afterwards. And if I am correct we haven't had Sam for a few years now or maybe you'll tell me to read the posts somewhere else where it says that we actually won the AI and I missed it!!!!
