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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2006 14:02:21 GMT
I switched over to Al Jazeera after watching the Championship last night. A much more balanced view of the world on it.
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Post by seamus on Aug 11, 2006 15:55:14 GMT
Contender for post of the year buck02!!
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 12, 2006 20:57:19 GMT
I have to admit that Galvin is too dirty off the ball for my liking. He just cant seem to help himself.
Having said that, Armagh are one of the last people who should complain about this. They have been at it for years. John Bannon really pulled them up for their third man tackle tactics a couple of years ago when they were beaten in that fabulous double header in Croker.
They did not play as cynically this year as they have in the past to their credit.
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 12, 2006 21:22:21 GMT
Can I just say thank you at last to the people who have eventaully seen Paul Galvin for what he is. He is a good player but really needs to do something re that temper of his for sundays game against Cork. They all know that he has a temper and you can be sure that they are going to goad him a fair bit to get him rattled, and giving past form you can see Paul been sent off.. He really needs to calm down and start setting a better example to the younger players, as does Kieran Donaghey (good and all as he is just needs to control that temper of his a bit also) That could be the main thing to go against us on Sunday week against Cork.
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Post by Paulie Walnuts on Aug 13, 2006 19:57:10 GMT
Kerry in the last 3 years have evolved from a skillful yet soft centred team to a streetwise tough, skillful team. Obviously some folk up north including poor old Ja [who craves attention like a child] cant handle that their 'edge' is negated. While they are worrying about that, we'll be thinking about our AI semi final.......So I think we should all take it tongue in cheek.
No matter how much Kerry are ever written off we always just come back stronger. Thats why we are the county that we are.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 14, 2006 14:06:17 GMT
Some day somebody is going to write a book linking the rise of the streetwise Kerry player of the early new millennium (we've been called this before you know) to the rise in popularity of the North Kerry Championship.
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Post by eastciarrai on Aug 14, 2006 14:23:53 GMT
thats an idea for you alright stacks , the day job dont keep you half busy enough
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I was wondering if anyone read todays arena in the examiner where Tony Leen tries his best to defend Kerrys good name against some of the stupid accusations made from some quarters (Mainly Billy Morgan and northern newspapers) that Kerry are the most cynical football team in the country. This seem a bit rich to me seeings as how it was Tyrone and Armagh who introduced the Swarm defence and the third man tackle. Smells like sour grapes to me. And I wonder is BillyMorgan the ultimate Kerry football hate figure? Any thoughts
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 16, 2006 13:31:52 GMT
if we match them physically we're preceived as soft if we do match em physically we're cynical...it's a lose lose situation with both parties( i.e morgan and those papers)
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Post by ciarrai33 on Aug 16, 2006 14:28:41 GMT
From Todays Arena
16 August 2006
Rag-out rage
Kerry’s won’t lack motivational newspaper cuttings in the dressing-room for Sunday’s All-Ireland semi-final with Cork, says Tony Leen. But are they as cynical as critics claim?
IT USED be fairly straight-forward. You wanted to confuse a Kerry man, you locked him in a cylinder and told him to sit in the corner.
Now the Kingdom’s footballers aren’t sure who they are, or what they’re supposed to be. If your nearest and dearest say you’re timid, gutless and insufficiently resilient, then being told you’re cynical, conniving and downright dirty is a recipe for multiple personality disorder.
Someone call a doctor.
Luckily, it would seem Jack O’Connor’s players can spot irony as quickly as a columnist’s agenda. Because there must be something vaguely ironic in the notion that Kerry frequently take the underhand route to victory.
To his credit, Cork coach Billy Morgan has been the most consistent accuser in recent times of Kerry’s “cynical” approach, lamenting the “off the ball stuff” after the defeat of Cork in the National League earlier this year. He barely stopped himself after last year’s crushing All-Ireland semi-final defeat by the same opposition. In both instances, the implication was that Kerry’s attack was more than the first line of defence — it is the vehicle employed to illegally block opposition players from running off the ball into offensive positions. Others suggested the responsibility was calculatingly shared around to ensure a repeat offender was not booked or sent off.
In the wake of Kerry’s quarter-final success over Armagh, there was none of the Mickey Harte-led magnanimity that followed Tyrone’s exit from the Championship at the hands of a determined Laois. Instead, *ing followed bile, though not, importantly, from Joe Kernan and his players. “A video overview makes interesting viewing, offering more than a hint of how Kerry set about stopping Armagh,” suggested Belfast Telegraph columnist Michael McGeary.
“It was no coincidence that Kieran McGeeney was illegally taken out off the ball on four separate occasions by four different players. (Later) the referee and his four umpires stood idly by as Steven McDonnell and Ronan Clarke were kicked and thumped off the ball. Perhaps Armagh should have seen what was coming for it’s not that long ago that Cork manager Billy Morgan described Kerry as “the most cynical team in the country.”
Wrote tv presenter Adrian Logan in the same paper: “I read with interest the comments of Armagh defender Aaron Kernan, who accepted the best team had won but questioned how the media would have reacted if Armagh had won in a similar style of play.
“He said he had never been hit as hard nor as often in any game. Nothing wrong with that. In the past Armagh have hit just as much. But you do have to wonder, and I have sympathy with him when he said he wondered what would have happened if an Armagh player had got involved with a water carrier and thrown bottles at the Kerry bench.”
It wasn’t a surprise to young Kernan that Kerry hit hard and often. Though it was his first senior outing against the Kingdom, he had been told by senior members of the squad to forget the notion that Kerry merely prance around the place.
“They don’t just play nice one-twos all day,” he confirmed yesterday. “They can hit as well as anyone - you don’t win 33 All-Irelands by just standing around. Everyone thinks the Ulster boys are all about hard, physical hitting, but we’d like to think we play a good, hard brand of football. You still have to put the ball over the bar. There’s no *-footing with Kerry either — it’s give and take, they play good hard, tough football,” said the young defender.
Was it ever any different? While the romantics drool at the video re-runs of the Golden Years, how conveniently they forget the robust attitude of Jimmy Deenihan, Paidi Ó Sé and Tim Kennelly, or the hard-edged, hard-nosed approach of Ambrose O’Donovan. Charlie Nelligan was no shrinking violet either. The more recent vintage of 1997 featured Eamonn Breen and Liam Flaherty, but it would seem that Kerry are cuddliest when they’re losing.
UTV’s Logan, a Tyrone man, was clearly irked by Kerry’s approach on and off the field against Armagh, a victory Kerry had waited four years for.
“There were a few little things which didn’t escape my attention. Worst of all the fact that Kerry boss Jack O’Connor didn’t shake hands with Joe Kernan after the match, instead running to congratulate Darragh Ó Sé.
“It meant a lot to O’Connor and to Kerry but all the faults of Ulster sides I have never seen any northern boss show such discourtesy. Armagh would do well to remember and store that little cameo. Things have a habit of going round. “Kerry did win well but perhaps I feel that for too long it suits members of the media to blow all their efforts out of proportion.
“They are a fine side but like all modern teams they have a physical edge to them and are no shrinking violets. All good teams are the same.” Perhaps, ‘Logie’ has something there. Though there are some in Kerry who would never publicly admit it, the 2002, 2003 and 2005 defeats to Armagh and Tyrone changed the traditional philosophies in the county.
A new, pragmatic coach brought in a skilled physical trainer to bulk up his side; Jack O’Connor reinvented Paul Galvin, and the gritty wing forwards were told to get down and graft. The 2003 semi-final loss to Tyrone had already altered the mind-sets of veterans like Darragh Ó Sé and Seamus Moynihan. Jack O’Connor moulded the younger pups.
By last year’s All-Ireland final, Kerry were able to match Tyrone physically — they were simply beaten by a purer football performance. Ahead of this month’s quarter-final against Armagh, there was an unwavering determination that Kerry would not be out-muscled by Joe Kernan’s side, commonly regarded as the yardstick for imposing opposition in the Championship.
Former Kerry captain Dara Ó Cinnéide is bemused at the scrutiny of his erstwhile colleagues.
“People have described Kerry in the recent past as a fine, dandy football team, who couldn’t handle the physical aggression of opponents. Nobody refers to that aggression in pejorative terms, but when the shoe is on the other foot, there’s an outcry. We’re not supposed to strengthen up and deal with it.”
He recalls the lessons learned after the 2003 defeat to Tyrone, and the importance of learning from them. “You don’t carry the ball into contact against big, physical teams,” he said. “And we also learned that teams were getting away with checking the runs made by our players. Now it’s an everyday occurrence, by every team.”
Jarlath Burns, the Orchard legend turned GAA pundit, says he has spoken to a number of Armagh players since the 3-15 to 1-13 defeat, and at no time did he get a sense from them that they were hard done by.
“I’m not getting any view that they were thrown around the pitch by Kerry or they got no law from the referee. There would be no sense of ‘aw, us poor we Armagh lads got no break’.
“There was a couple of incidents with Paul Galvin (on McGeeney, for which he got booked) and Tommy Griffin, but that will always happen.” Burns says the empathy with, and love for all things green and gold in the north shows no sign of abating. Kerry Football Inc is alive and well.
“I’m saying ‘they’ve won 33 All-Irelands, wouldn’t it be great for Dublin to win it for a change, and boost the GAA in the biggest population centre in the country’? But the GAA people here are saying ‘Naw, we want Kerry to win it.’
“We all went to Killarney on our holidays, but it’s more the inherent beauty of the football tradition there, Mick O’Dwyer, the four-in-a-row side. Perhaps there’s a harder edge to football now, but I would not say they are cynical.”
Kerry had to respond to the changing of the old order. And they go out every day with a point to prove, not so much to the wider audience, but to their own native critics. Nowhere has the charge of ‘no bottle’ been so raucously levelled than at home.
“That’s been a big motivation against the Ulster counties,” agrees Burns. “There has always been that thing in Kerry that it’s not good enough any more to win All-Irelands. They’ve got to prove a point doing so.”
They’ve plenty to prove on Sunday against Cork. Recently, Paul Galvin told this newspaper of the Munster final defeat to the Rebels: “They out-fought us, and that’s the worst way to lose. They had that desperation.”
Burns’ exoneration of Kerry cuts no ice in the Cork camp. Galvin has been the subject of inflammatory comments from Billy Morgan about his alleged role in the sending off of Anthony Lynch in the drawn Munster final. And last week, an ex-Cork minor coach, Diarmuid O’Donovan blamed the national media for turning a blind eye to Kerry’s “terrible behaviour” in the victory against Armagh. He counted “two dozen” off-the-ball incidents the media had deliberately ignored, claimed O’Donovan, because they were too busy doing u-turns after being “badly burned” with their Munster final predictions. Oh, and highlighting their terrible behaviour would only make it more difficult to get subsequent interviews.
“The Kerrys, Armaghs and Dublins are always in the finals, and their players and management are always good for a quote,” he explained.
Perhaps someone should send Mr O’Donovan to a Kerry press day.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 16, 2006 14:57:22 GMT
i find logies comments and aks comments nothing more than generous and it should have been underlined that the armagh team and management had NO COMPLAINTS
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 16, 2006 15:22:40 GMT
Sounds likea bit of sour grapes from those logan and o donovan fellas. O Donovan is only getting his excuses in early before cork wave goodbye to the championship. Kerry were definitely no angels against Armagh, but by god did we play some exquisite football in the process. Galvin's indisipline seems to be giving other counties the ammunition to throw at kerry, so he def needs to cop on a bit. it was the same last year driving home from croke park last year after pulverising cork and billy morgaN WHINGING ON RADIO ONE giving kerry no credit for the way kerry pulverised his team. Also in the last game i thought one of the most blatant 3rd man tackles was stephen mcdonnell on aidan o mahony which allowed McEntee to shoot freely and score a point. In fairness have to compliment armagh they seem to have accepted it fair and square, most of the bileness seems to be coming from other avenues.
4 crackers(draw and replay in 2000) between Kerry and armagh hopefully we will joust again next year.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 16, 2006 15:25:04 GMT
now the mejjiaa are cryin
HERE'S how it goes. Ulster GAA people think the 'southern media' can't wait to see northern teams heading for the championship exits with their furry little tails all curled up.
Dublin supporters believe most media commentators are country bumpkins who have subscribed to Club 31 which meets regularly to plot a terrorist attack on Parnell Park. Cork have a problem with the 'Dublin media' on the basis that it doesn't devote acres to Leeside matters of local import only.
Weaker counties everywhere complain that none of the media gives them enough coverage. And then there's the anonymous letter writer who argued that Mayo were ignored by the media since they beat Galway in the Connacht final.
Really? I recall writing a lengthy feature on Mayo for last Saturday's paper and even tipped them to beat Laois. Mind you, the letter writer did seem in a particularly bad mood, concluding on the rather depressing note that: "Gaelic Games are in real danger but it doesn't matter because Armageddon can't be far away now."
It's amazing how perceptions sprout and grow so rapidly that they can squeeze out reality. Take the Ulster view, for instance, that everybody in the south was delighted to see them without a representative in the semi-finals.
I don't believe that's the case at all. Armagh and Tyrone have brought their own special atmosphere to Croke Park over the past seven years but circumstances conspired against both this season. Tyrone were dealt so many unlucky hands that they must have felt like throwing the pack in the fire and buying a new one for next year while Armagh's prize for winning a third successive Ulster title was to be paired with a Kerry team on a revival mission.
Contrast that with Dublin's quarter-final draw which saw them up against Westmeath who aren't quite in Kerry's class. Personally, I think the semi-finals lack something by not having an Ulster presence. At the start of the season, Tyrone, Kerry, Armagh and Dublin were regarded as the four best teams in the country, yet neither or the Ulster pair made the last four due, it must be said, as much to circumstance as form.
Dublin's view that the other 31 counties are against them is based on a self-perpetuating paranoia which they actually use to good effect. Many Dublin clubs would cease to function without the influence of country people whose primary county allegiance is based on where they were born but who now have a direct involvement in Capital affairs.
Who, for instance, would have forecast after the 1983 All-Ireland football final that Galway's Brian Talty, who was then something of a hate figure in Dublin, would now be a key strategist in the blue corner?
Boundaries
There's actually a whole lot more goodwill towards Dublin than they seem to think. The same applies to Cork hurlers who seem to believe that outside of their own boundaries nobody wants to see them win the three-in-a-row. Kilkenny had the same view of themselves during their treble bid two years ago.
Actually, there's quite a lot of hurling people who would like to see the modern era marked with a treble success.
It's ironic that a GAA media which works hard at being objective is often portrayed as being so heavily weighted by agendas that they can't look up. Actually we can and very often we see a glorious tribalism that's such an essential part of the GAA that to lose it would be a sporting Armageddon.
It's just a pity that there seems to be a growing view in GAA camp culture that the media is an enemy. It's not folks. Never has been.
Martin Breheny
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2006 15:26:04 GMT
Adrian Logan is a bitter little hoor
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 16, 2006 15:27:20 GMT
4 crackers(draw and replay in 2000) between Kerry and armagh hopefully we will joust again next year. i hope so aswell and no matter where u go u'll find bad losers there usually the 1's who jump on the bandwagon
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Re: All Ireland SFC Semi Final: Cork v Kerry Post by kerrywoman on Today at 15:14
Wud ye read todays Examiner- Article by Tony Leen worth reading-I think he is hoping the ref for sunday will read this article it is pure media hype.
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Re: All Ireland SFC Semi Final: Cork v Kerry Post by buck02 on Today at 15:16
Perhaps StacksAbu could copy and paste from the Arena section of todays examiner, worth a read alright.
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Re: All Ireland SFC Semi Final: Cork v Kerry Post by austinstacksabu on Today at 16:21
Not the worst article, but harmless enough. If Tony really wanted to make the point as opposed to dancing around it, he would then have gone on to highlight cynical actions by other teams, including Cork and compared them to the "20" off the ball incidents Cork seem to have highlighted.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 16, 2006 15:49:38 GMT
Armagh took the loss as would kerry have knowing thay we beaten by the better team on the day. Now why would that upset Cork. Heads up Kerry they trying to get the 16th man advantage already.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 16, 2006 16:58:06 GMT
Adrian Logan is a bitter little hoor even thouh logie's from tyrone (a cross for any man to bear) i have to admit i like him.he shoots from the hip and does know what he's on about........a sound man
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Judge Jarlath!...
For the first time in over a hundred years of existence, the All-Ireland semi finals will take place this year without any Ulster team participating. This comes during an era which has seen Ulster domination of the championship, a redefining of the way we play our games and fierce debate as to the entertainment levels provided by the style of play cultivated by these teams.
However, the big question is this. Is it now at an end?
I'll try to answer that question later, but first to events on Saturday and the first half when Armagh probably played the best 35 minutes of football in the reign of Joe Kernan.
The intensity of the Armagh challenge and the energy displayed all around the field was amazing. Paul McGrane was majestic in the air, McGeeney was running the show on the ground, it seemed at last Steven McDonnell had come to life and the defence was rock solid.
Going in at half time, amidst the cheers, ovation and general euphoria, a few issues were hidden. Firstly, would Armagh be able to maintain this level of power football; secondly, what does a manager say to his players to get them going after that type of performance given the fact that Armagh have been used to receiving the hair dryer treatment at half time. There was also the worry that Armagh were only two points up after such a superb first half display.
Two minutes after the break, suddenly the sides were level with Kieran Donaghy bursting into life and leaving the great Francie on the ground as he took his goal with great style and efficiency.
From then on, Armagh were chasing and seldom looked like getting back on terms. They threatened, they pressed and boy did they try their hearts out, but Kerry had their eyes on the end line and weren't going to be put off.
Ronan Clarke once again delivered a performance which should deliver him an All Star The feeling before the match had been that while Kerry had better footballers, Armagh had the better team, but that theory began to fall apart as by the hour mark, Joe Kernan had substituted his entire half forward line.
That 20-minute period saw Kerry wipe Armagh off the field in a way that we haven't seen in many years.
Ronan Clarke once again delivered a performance which should deliver him an All Star, though Donaghy's heroics at the other end might just shade it.
And then came the second match which was a very poor spectacle where the crowd didn't get behind either teams.
Although Donegal lost, at least, they have something to build on for next year.
Brian McIver has done a good job with this team, but his greatest task is yet to come.
Next year he needs to do serious surgery on his forward line to turn them into a match winning machine.
They simply lack invention and apart from an odd moment of genius from Kavanagh, or another example of Dunnion's bravery and dedication from half back, they don't have a lot to offer in the business department of the team.
Brendan Devenney might come back, but he's well known for choking on the big day as well and may not be the answer.
Cork are a nice team, but far too lightweight and too many nice, but gangly footballers. Kerry have many reasons to beat Cork and will use every single one of them in the semi final.
I began by asking is the era of Ulster dominance over. My answer - definitely not so.
Armagh will be back with a few new faces, but the same young backbone. Tyrone will enjoy their rest and will emerge next year as a real All Ireland contender.
Donegal will have improved from this year's adventure, Fermanagh are still good to give Ulster a real rattle and go a fair bit in the qualifier, Derry will definitely improve and will also feel they can take Ulster, Down might just awaken, give themselves a shake and show what they are capable of.
Any one of these teams could be competing for honours, but at present, only Armagh and Tyrone are equipped with the experience, strength and know-how to go all the way.
Now that the Ulster hard men are out, the Dubs will have an even wider swagger this weekend but the noise and the colour will be unbeatable.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2006 22:16:05 GMT
4 crackers(draw and replay in 2000) between Kerry and armagh hopefully we will joust again next year. i hope so aswell and no matter where u go u'll find bad losers there usually the 1's who jump on the bandwagon here,here,good to see you back "about the place" bigmac, good game of football the last day,with kerrys recent history with the northern teams i think thats the kind of hard physical games we can expect.The better team won on the day,ye still have two of the best inside forwards in the game.ye will be a threat again next year.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2006 22:19:46 GMT
From Todays Arena 16 August 2006 Rag-out rage Kerry’s won’t lack motivational newspaper cuttings in the dressing-room for Sunday’s All-Ireland semi-final with Cork, says Tony Leen. But are they as cynical as critics claim? ..... there's enough scour in that article to drown a rat. it's amazing the horse sh1te people will write to make a few bob.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 17, 2006 13:13:15 GMT
i hope so aswell and no matter where u go u'll find bad losers there usually the 1's who jump on the bandwagon here,here,good to see you back "about the place" bigmac, good game of football the last day,with kerrys recent history with the northern teams i think thats the kind of hard physical games we can expect.The better team won on the day,ye still have two of the best inside forwards in the game.ye will be a threat again next year. i have to admit i thourghly enjoyed the game even if we did'nt get the result.it was the type of game that would get the fans in every week,the better and hungerier team won and as i've allready said i've no prob with that,it was real football and i hope we see some more of it before the summers out
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 17, 2006 13:41:21 GMT
here,here,good to see you back "about the place" bigmac, good game of football the last day,with kerrys recent history with the northern teams i think thats the kind of hard physical games we can expect.The better team won on the day,ye still have two of the best inside forwards in the game.ye will be a threat again next year. i have to admit i thourghly enjoyed the game even if we did'nt get the result.it was the type of game that would get the fans in every week,the better and hungerier team won and as i've allready said i've no prob with that,it was real football and i hope we see some more of it before the summers out i fully agree with you,its a pity some of the comentators,writers and pundids up north wouldn't follow your example and stop whinging and stop sounding like bitter little people. personally i cant wait to take on the norths best again next year,hopefully we will get to beat tyrone and armagh in the same year. ;D
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 17, 2006 13:44:57 GMT
i have to admit i thourghly enjoyed the game even if we did'nt get the result.it was the type of game that would get the fans in every week,the better and hungerier team won and as i've allready said i've no prob with that,it was real football and i hope we see some more of it before the summers out i fully agree with you,its a pity some of the comentators,writers and pundids up north wouldn't follow your example and stop whinging and stop sounding like bitter little people. personally i cant wait to take on the norths best again next year,hopefully we will get to beat tyrone and armagh in the same year. ;D needless to say we'll have to differ with u on that ;D
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Post by Dermot on Aug 17, 2006 13:46:15 GMT
i have to admit i thourghly enjoyed the game even if we did'nt get the result.it was the type of game that would get the fans in every week,the better and hungerier team won and as i've allready said i've no prob with that,it was real football and i hope we see some more of it before the summers out i fully agree with you,its a pity some of the comentators,writers and pundids up north wouldn't follow your example and stop whinging and stop sounding like bitter little people. personally i cant wait to take on the norths best again next year,hopefully we will get to beat tyrone and armagh in the same year. ;D Wouldn't get too cocky too soon there KG .............. Keep the knickers on for a while yet !
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 17, 2006 13:48:40 GMT
i knew that would draw ye two boys.
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Post by butchy on Aug 17, 2006 13:55:06 GMT
Kerrygold you have to listen to thunder. Personally I find the genuine Armagh supporters very knowledgable and have followed there team thru the hard times and they will be back next year. The journalists both north and south have created this north south divide !! One set as bad as the other !!
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Post by Dermot on Aug 17, 2006 14:05:39 GMT
Kerrygold you have to listen to thunder. Personally I find the genuine Armagh supporters very knowledgable and have followed there team thru the hard times and they will be back next year. The journalists both north and south have created this north south divide !! One set as bad as the other !! Now yer suckin diesel !
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 17, 2006 15:03:37 GMT
Kerrygold you have to listen to thunder. Personally I find the genuine Armagh supporters very knowledgable and have followed there team thru the hard times and they will be back next year. The journalists both north and south have created this north south divide !! One set as bad as the other !! agree,eamonn sweeny from the sunday indo has fairly savaged into armagh a few times,his articles have been over the top as they were directed at amature sports men and mentors. personally i've been a big admirer of armaghs football and i think the championship would have been the poorer without down '91,'94,donegal '92,derry'93,armagh'02,tyrone '03,05. you have a lot of counties there making the break through which is good for the game. no county from the south has managed to win their first all-ireland in that time frame.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 17, 2006 23:25:41 GMT
>:(We Dubs are NOT biased. We hate everyone EQUALLY!
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