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Post by thestrategist on Jun 16, 2006 13:37:37 GMT
As there is a lot of talk about the role and importance of management at the moment(in hurling) can we talk about football for a moment.
Going by results to date, resources etc. and rather than mention any one individual manager, the top five management teams in the county thus far are in my opinion
1. Kerins O'Rahillys
2. John Mitchels
3. Annascaul
4. Dr. Crokes
5. Dingle/Ardfert
I presume everyone is in agreement?
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Post by Jacko on Jun 16, 2006 19:08:44 GMT
agree wit john mitchels,but in fairness,KOR,crokes,dingle hav strong teams already so not as impressed as u seem.
Ardferts management should be higher up possibly after all ireland win?
agree with annascaul,der goin well at the moment.
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Post by wonka on Jun 16, 2006 19:10:43 GMT
annascaul are good alright!
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Post by wonka on Jun 16, 2006 19:19:50 GMT
1. Dingle
2. John Mitchels
3. Annascaul
4. Dr. Crokes
5. Ardfert
Best management in county from what i ve seen-
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Post by mossie on Jun 16, 2006 20:39:39 GMT
Is John Lenihan still at the helm in Annascaul???
Pat Driscoll has worked wonders with Ardfert.
Maurice Leahy has a good record in football with the likes of Finuge , Milltown Castlemaine in the past & managed the Brendans side that reached a county senior final in the early 1990s. he has been with several successful hurling sides at club level & always seems to do reasonably well with the kerry hurlers when he is there.
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Post by watchdahop on Jun 19, 2006 15:20:27 GMT
On this topic I have to say that Pat Driscoll has done wonders with Ardfert and now its showing through with St Brendans also.
Hes a young guy and I would say he would be a good man to have in charge of maybe the U21s or Juniors for Kerry. We need a lift at these grades and Pat could be the man to provide it.
And Im not from his club or division trying to promote him.
I just hope we hear more of him.
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Post by MrT on Jun 19, 2006 15:25:32 GMT
A lot of you guys hold mitchels management with high regard.was just wondering why?about 3/4 years ago they were a division 1 side n now they are languishing in div 3.would consider management of ardfert n finuge a lot higher as they have to work with a smaller pick of players.tis fine sayin all the big teams management are great but the real achievements are made from clubs with a small pool of players
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Post by jerkyturkey on Jun 20, 2006 16:14:14 GMT
what have annuscaul done to be considered top management?? get regulated from division one....
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Post by realist on Jun 20, 2006 16:30:35 GMT
Agree to a point jerky but they are unbeaten in Div 2 this year and still in the shake up for the intermediate!! The reason people are talking about Mtchels is due to the major turnaround this year. The same team couldn'y buy a game last year yet this year are in the promotion race in 3 should have beaten rahilly's before loosing a replay and should have beaten Milltown before loosing the replay. All this is good effort is down to Sean Geaney and Buddy Grady. Ok so they might still loose the championship status but there seems to be a bit of life in the Mitchels again. I would also rate Pat O driscoll very highly(even though it was Martin Ferris that plotted the downfall of the stacks over the weekend as Driscoll was out of the country. Driscoll is a great mamanger for sure but he has an ambitious young team and also in my opinion if Stephen Wallace hadn't come back to them from Rahillys when he did they would not be where they are now. He has played a big part in their revival. But to turn around a Joke team like Brendan's is amazing. I can't agree with people saying Dingle though and I know that Wonka will disagree with me. They are a big town so should be competing(and before you start Wonka in my opinion ye were better than Ghaeltacht and should have over the weekend for what its worth! Ye just gave the ball away silly too much. A little inexperience maybe?). Crokes - Pat Shea is a very clever football tactician for sure. I would also mention the guys at Renard. They have come up to Div 3 and for a really small club that is a great achievement.
My Five are
1. Ardfert
2. Crokes
3. Renard
4 Aunnascaul
5. Mitchels
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Post by TheCritic on Jun 26, 2006 14:21:10 GMT
Ardfert have to be near the Top.
Agree also with John Mitchels, Annascaul, Dr. Crokes.
South Kerrys management team done excellent job. I know they have the players but it never easy to get player from different clubs playing together!!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jun 26, 2006 14:41:03 GMT
agreed with you there critic. its notoriously hard to get the south Kerry players to gel. and they have now won 2 co championships on the trot. fair play to them.
and I have always admired Pat O Shea. hes a good man to have at the helm of a club like crokes.
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Post by target on Jun 27, 2006 4:37:55 GMT
what have annuscaul done to be considered top management?? get regulated from division one.... Oh let me see...they are in the 1/4 finals of the Intermediate...they have maximum points in division 2...they have a West Kerry Championship final from last year still to play....they have a West Kerry league final replay still to play...and they are expecting a few big players back in the next few weeks....not bad going for a small country club with a small group of players I'd say turkey....  |
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 27, 2006 11:06:47 GMT
As there is a lot of talk about the role and importance of management at the moment(in hurling) can we talk about football for a moment. Going by results to date, resources etc. and rather than mention any one individual manager, the top five management teams in the county thus far are in my opinion 1. Kerins O'Rahillys 2. John Mitchels 3. Annascaul 4. Dr. Crokes 5. Dingle/Ardfert I presume everyone is in agreement? Eleven days later and nobody has mentioned the Kerry senior football management, who have the strongest winning ratio of any management team in football or hurling right now. |
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Post by realist on Jun 27, 2006 11:11:10 GMT
Come on Stacks - A trained Monkey would have a good record if they took over Kerry with the talent we have.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 27, 2006 11:14:22 GMT
Come on Stacks - A trained Monkey would have a good record if they took over Kerry with the talent we have. I wouldn't know about that realist. Consider what they achieved with the Kerry lads in 2004 after three of the most demoralising defeats to Meath, Armagh and Tyrone that Kerry suffered in three successive years. And then to bring them within a whisker of achieving the first two in a row since 1989 / 90 while winning two leagues out of three. Paudi had a stronger squad in many ways and didn't achieve that level of consistency. |
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Post by nedeenbnn on Jun 27, 2006 14:04:32 GMT
Have to say that one of the greatest club managers for an individual club would be Liam Sayers in st pats. It's so rare to see small clubs getting a shot at the limelight and he did it in a smilar way to what pat driscoll is doing twith ardfert at the moment. Any coincidence that the two of them are working together with the brendans?
Also Sean Counihan he did a great job with an albeit very strong East Kerry side.
In relation to Mitchels I think alot of the credit should go to jon creagh for their turnaround in fortunes
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Post by topscorer on Jul 2, 2006 15:15:42 GMT
i disagree with realist. crokes talent is on the field with the players at their disposal and not management. as for renard being in the list, that's another story........
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Post by twenty on Jul 3, 2006 8:43:38 GMT
Jacko, if you recall, Dingle wre relegated from div 1 last year and lost heavily in 2 sr championship matches last year wit the same set of players so if you dont put the change in fortunes down to the management, wat do u put it down to, i live wit one of the dingle players in limerick and he says that its a complete turnaround this year due to mgt. As a crokes man, i can see wat a diff a good coach makes...
1 KOR
2 mitchells (due to makin a team out of nothin)
3 Crokes (best coach around by all accounts, will win co champ, Pat gets best out of players, look at kennelly this year)
4 Jack o Connor (he has top job for a reason)
5 Dingle Mgt
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Post by surfdude62 on Jul 3, 2006 13:18:08 GMT
I see nobody has mentioned John Evans!He was brilliant with Laune Rangers and would have made a great Kerry manager!
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 3, 2006 13:37:46 GMT
How could you(topscorer) disagree with realists comment about Crokes???
Pat O'Shea is arguably one of the most knowledgable men in the ball game in kerry and he is well able to put the point across! he is very good at nurturing young players,gives good advice as he has played at a high level.
Pat Driscoll has to be regarded as one of the best following his antics with the ardfert team!
I wouldnt consider John Evans in the top 5 considering he has been at two massive clubs with big resources and never seems too have full control of his team!
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Post by realist on Jul 3, 2006 15:00:18 GMT
i'd agree hugh. ardfert management have to be ib everyones top five after what they have done and is no more than sour grapes by anyone who has posted here and not included them!
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Post by topscorer on Jul 4, 2006 19:00:05 GMT
I agree with Hugh as regards Evans but come on like many managers can do the same job at Crokes.....i'm not saying Pat O'Shea is a bad manager, i'm just saying he wouldn't be among the top 5 in the county.
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Post by expert05 on Jul 4, 2006 22:51:25 GMT
1-Mitchells
2-Crokes
3-Ardfert
4-Renard
5-Beale+Tarbert
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Post by nedeenbnn on Jul 5, 2006 14:26:51 GMT
Can please stop saying the names of the clubs - it's about the best manager not about the best team. Just using the 5 nominated "clubs" ...
Remember Crokes are operating from a great pool of talent and have the population of Killareny on their side - they haven't won a Championship in ages (by their standards). Mitchels have a huge population to pick from - it's about time they got their act together! Ardfert have won successive promotions and a Junior Championship -that's an impressive return over a two year period. Renard have won one promotion as have Beale / Tarbert.
I believe that we should be looking above the norm e.g. currently Ardfert, whoever got Skellig up to the level they are now at, whoever is keeping Beaufort and Sneem where they are etc
Remember does a team make a manager or does a manager make a team?
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Post by topcat on Aug 29, 2006 18:06:40 GMT
Whatever of Dromid Pearses? In 1997 they were rooted to the bottom of Division 5, spent a while in div 4 then, In 2004 they had made it to Division 1 (albeit for a short stay only i know)
Not too shabby for a small rural area decimated by immigration...
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Post by kerryman on Aug 30, 2006 8:55:18 GMT
Whatever of Dromid Pearses? In 1997 they were rooted to the bottom of Division 5, spent a while in div 4 then, In 2004 they had made it to Division 1 (albeit for a short stay only i know) Not too shabby for a small rural area decimated by immigration... Decimated by emmigration you mean! Unless your referring to all the Germans and Dutch that are out there. |
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Post by seamus on Aug 30, 2006 11:15:37 GMT
Driving over the Bealach is like driving from Amsterdam to Munich with all the foreign cars!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 30, 2006 11:32:23 GMT
they always seem to get planning permission too in the nice senic locations.
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Post by baxter on Aug 30, 2006 11:50:43 GMT
Sometimes i feel like the Gaeltacht in West Kerry is more like Killinaskully there are so many Uters and dieters and Hans running around the place. your more likely to hear a conversation in Polish than in our native tounge!! Sad state of affairs really!  ANyway back to the top 5 managers in Kerry. I think the management team at Ardfert have done a great job with a nice blend of youth and a. The results they have achieved in the last 2 or 3 years speak for themselves. If they can put a good run of games together in division 2 this year. I cant see any reason why they shouldnt be playing in dividion one in the next few years. |
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Post by laddo on Aug 30, 2006 12:49:22 GMT
I think dromid have even recruited one of those dutch immigrants. Think he has a nickname, "Shaft" or something like that! Plays with their b-team i think.
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