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Post by puckaroo on Aug 21, 2006 9:35:41 GMT
Firstly Congrats to all the boys. They won the game in what seemed to be 3rd gear. Although I dont like being negative after gaining entry to the All Ireland Final I feel that it can't go without mentioning Paul Galvin.
Was it really neccessary to act like that? As a high profile footballer in this country he should have show more responciibility for his actions on the pitch. Although being a good player I think he should have been taken off during the second half due to his childish conduct!!!
Next month, if that's his attitude on the biggest sporting event of the year, he should be taken off!!! regardless of performance!!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2006 9:50:31 GMT
What did he do exactly that was so bad............ the TV doesnt show it. There was handbags with O Leary, he kicked the ball away at one point when a free was awarded, the tackle on Shield was legit, a lot of pushing and shovin.
At the game yesterday i didnt see anything that looked that bad.......... nothing as bad as what he did against Armagh anyway and I got the impression that Bannon was keeping a close eye on him.
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Post by TheCritic on Aug 21, 2006 10:05:13 GMT
I think Paul is a fantastic player! He puts his body on the line for this county and his dedication and work should be admired!! He will never shy away from a tackle and he goes in hard but fair (most of the time) ;D
I think he is vital to Kerry's success! When Paul plays well, Kerry play well! Give the man a break, with the abuse he gets on the pitch I think he is very restrained!
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Post by diehard on Aug 21, 2006 10:20:57 GMT
In all fairness Galvin did live a bit on the edge yesterday whoever makes the final will definately target him to draw him out its only a matter of time before he costs kerry in a major way
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Post by thehighfield on Aug 21, 2006 10:38:09 GMT
I agree with what The Critic is saying about Galvin's good points but I think Galvin's penchant for all the off the ball acting up loses him more friends that his playing ability earns.
He has been targeted in the last few games which is clear to see but ask yourself why he is being targeted? I wonder what the odds are on him being sent off in the All-Ireland.
Anyone else impressed by his soccer-esque dive in front of the hill yesterday?
I am sure Jack will be having words in his ear over the next few weeks. If Paul manages to keep his cool in the final the targeting of him could end up being very beneficial to Kerry in terms of frees and yellows.
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Post by anciarraiodh on Aug 21, 2006 10:40:48 GMT
What did he do exactly that was so bad............ the TV doesnt show it. There was handbags with O Leary, he kicked the ball away at one point when a free was awarded, the tackle on Shield was legit, a lot of pushing and shovin. At the game yesterday i didnt see anything that looked that bad.......... nothing as bad as what he did against Armagh anyway and I got the impression that Bannon was keeping a close eye on him. We were quick to jump on McMenamin and we should be every bit as tough on Galvin. Much of what he does is very effective and he gives as good as he gets, never shirks from a tackle and has no fear out there. He will not step back from Mayo or Dublin. However, apart from the tough tackling and cheekiness, there is another aspect to his play and that is the cheap shots and thuggish behaviour we have become accustomed to. Kerry were laughed at over the last few years. People said we weren't tough enough. We lacked the edge to beat the Northern teams. Now we have put that to rest for a while and Galvin has played a big part in that. But what use will he be to us in the final if we are down to 14 men. If the linesman had seen the late dig in the ribs on Murphy then we would have been down to 14 and deservedly so. There was no need for it and it served no purpose. Fair enough, Galvin might be getting his fair share of punishment off the ball and we all like to even up the score but winning the All Ireland is what matters and hopefully he will stick to the football for the final. The Dubs will play him and will not be shy to make the most of any over the top tackles.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 21, 2006 10:46:18 GMT
He's a fantastic player. Incredibly strong, brave, very fit, very hard working, good passer of the ball, good for running with the ball and an accurate shooter. He went in for a 25:75 breaking ball against 3 Corkmen yesterday and came out with the ball. That's the positive aspects. Yesterday I didn't see too much wrong that he did but lots of people are giving out stink about him which I think is mainly because of his reputation and so everything he does is exaggerated 1000%. The kicking the ball away incident was very funny - he stood next to the ball which was about 20 yards away from where the free occurred and when the Cork player went running over, just before he reached the ball Paul sidefooted it another few yards away. It cost Kerry 10 yards and I'll give Paul the benefit of the doubt and call it tactical genius - he knew if it was going to be taken from 60 yards Cork would play it short and work it in for a good chance of a score, but by moving it in 10 yards it would mean Masters would have an attempt at pointing it and drop it short into Darragh's hands. I saw him and Ger Spillane having a chat but besides that I didn't see what all the fuss was about?
His negative aspects are his involvement in off the ball confrontations. Sometimes he provokes others and sometimes he gets provoked but he should just walk away. He's not doing himself or Kerry any favours. Is this part of his gameplan? Get players to hate him, resulting in frees and sending offs? The part of his play that I dislike the most is the way in a confrontation he goes down to ground if he gets even the slightest tap. GAA refs don't get fooled by that like soccer refs. I'm presuming he was taught this soccer diving from his time with Cork City! He needs to get rid of those antics.
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Post by seamus on Aug 21, 2006 10:53:36 GMT
I did'nt think he did a whole lot wrong yesterday and he is one hardy boy! However, he is definitely being targetted now by opposition and refs. We are lucky they don't have the sytem they use in soccer whereby if you get 5 yellows you miss a game. How many games has he not been booked in? Not many i'd say.
He is just brilliant under breaking ball which is vital when Griffin breaks everything. I for one am glad he is on our team.
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Post by puckaroo on Aug 21, 2006 11:16:00 GMT
Just a pointer from my original post. At NO point did I say that alvin was a bad player or did not deserve to be lining out in the green and gold. He is indeed a great player and deserves his place. It is not his commitment that I am questioning but he is not able to to play a game of football without initiating some sort of "tussle". He is a player sho is watch by ref's and could very get a red card on the big day and I'm sure Dublin (presumin they beat Mayo) would love to see that!
I think that he is a great asset to Kerry but if he has a yellow going into the second half on the All Ireland, would he be worth substituting?
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Post by kerryman on Aug 21, 2006 11:38:00 GMT
Galvin had a great game yesterday, and the didn't bring up his being too rough on the Sunday game last night which says a lot. He could do with adopting Declan Kidney's saying though: "Fire in the belly, ice in the mind".
Jack has managed to get Star to clean up his act without degrading his game. I think Galvin could do the same for the betterment of himself and the team. He was being goaded yesterday, but doesn't need to stoop to the level of the likes of Noel O Leary.
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Post by patc on Aug 21, 2006 12:21:52 GMT
“For me it’s a defining day, a huge game. If we lose, we’re fu***d.” comment from Galvin in the Examiner before the Armagh game, sums up his basic honestly and competitiveness I think.
He knows there are no excuses, and is a winner in my book, he will meet fire with fire and every team needs someone to inject a little heat into the game, McMenamin and McConville are no different when it comes down to it, they thrive on that kind of game, and it certainly spurs their team on when it matters..
For me Galvin is critical to our success over the last 3 years....but I agree with kerryman...he now has a reputation, and is picking up cards where other players would maybe get a tick if nothing at all.
I honestly didn't think he did an awful lot wrong against Cork...kicking the ball away was cheeky/funny but not malicious....saying this if we lose a player in the final we will not beat what is a very fit and combative Dublin team.
Fact of the matter is, Dublin have every intention of dishing it out if they make the final, it’s in their game as much as ours, and no more so around the breaking midfield ball, and for that, apart from his excellent footballing skills, I am happy he is wearing the green and gold.
He could have cost us against Armagh when sent off, we got away with it, and hopefully he will learn from that when final day comes about.
1-20 in the league and c’ship to date, not a bad return at all.
On a side note, good to MFR taking his chances again.
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Post by paddycamus on Aug 21, 2006 12:40:23 GMT
Yeeeera he thears into it anyway. We needed one or two like that to frustrate the Rebels.
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Post by hugh20 on Aug 21, 2006 12:40:28 GMT
Galvin can be a bit foolish at times but when it comes down to it it's the likes of galvin who lifts our team with his agression,at least he will not shy away from the tackle and I like his style of play I must admit.
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Post by ArthurG on Aug 21, 2006 12:50:50 GMT
Galvin has been at his antics all year. He provoked Lynch in Killarney, he did the same to the Longford half back as well. Not to mention the Armagh game.
He is straight out of the Eamonn Breen school of disipline. He will need to watch himself against the dubs as they are masters at the provoking opposition players. Shane Ryan in the QF as an example.
I still like him in our team though!
He's got a great engine.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 21, 2006 14:27:40 GMT
If I remember correctly, we all tore into Philip Jordan last September when he kicked a ball away.
Pot, kettle, black.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 21, 2006 14:30:08 GMT
I have to laugh lads - Last year in the AI final when a Tyrone player kicked the ball away most (not all I stress) of you came down hard on us and said it was pure puke and a total lack of class etc, etc... When Galvin does it its somehow cheeky & funny ! Just thought I'd remind ye of that Brilliant ! p.s. please remember this for next year - I should archive these somewhere for future ammo !
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Post by stuckintipp on Aug 21, 2006 17:10:30 GMT
Paul is a top class battler, he'll go for any ball no matter how impossible is odds are and he put himself on the line more than anyone on the team.
But, he could cost us!!! and if he does, thats what he'll be remembered for. coming home from my holidays last year i just happened to be sitting to a prominent inter-county football referee from Tipperary, and we got talking. he was telling me how every county has there few rogues, he gave me the names of both Kerry rogues as he and other referees see it, and low and behold Galvin was one (the other has quietened down in this years Champ).
rightly or wrongly galvin is being watched, and a stupid kicking the ball away could be costly,he'll just have to learn.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 21, 2006 17:26:59 GMT
We fail to mention the pulling and dragging he gets off the ball. The sideline abuse hurled at him and the blatant badgering to drag him into a position where he will be booked. I thought he did a great job yesterday and all the games dust far. Keep up the good work Paul to hell with the begrudgers. He plays with hearth and a never say die attitude. Well done to the North Kerryman. We are proud of you and the all the lads. Ciarrai Abu
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Post by noreenos on Aug 21, 2006 18:12:59 GMT
Hey there,
Paul Galvin is a great player most people will agree with that.
For myself and the people watching the game, we thought for sure that JOC would take him off for a while to cool off. Someone else wrote here that he may be taken off in the Final and that would be really stupid stuff. No need for Daragh O'Se either to mess about - He is a much better player than that. It's hard not to see the stuff when the camera has it right there. They won't get a defence from most supporters for that crap. It's not the way Jack O'Shea or Spillane or Egan played football.
Keep it clean and put it on the scoreboard.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 22, 2006 3:33:48 GMT
Of one thing you can be sure, in the final he will be discipline personified and prove all the critics wrong, that's how reputation & motivation works. The opposition will need to be clever enough not to fall for the old trick of giving attention to trying to wind up Galvin and losing sight of the game. Just play him at football and dont let him dictate, would be my message
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Post by champ on Aug 22, 2006 8:28:43 GMT
i think its ridiculous to pick out one of the players and start a thread on him.
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Post by Original KYFan on Aug 22, 2006 8:34:51 GMT
Must agree with ASAbu & Dermot.
I have the greatest respect for Paul as a person off the pitch and for his football skills on the pitch but there is just no room for silly messing about. It has cost us with frees being advanced and could cost us more dearly in the future.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 22, 2006 9:15:21 GMT
Galvin is an excellent footballer who, as it has been said, wears his heart on his sleeve. He was outstanding on sunday, definitely a contender for MotM. I wish he'd stay away from the stupid stuff like kicking the ball away etc. He gets some winding up though and hes getting better at walking away...he needs to get better still but man, what a footballer.
I'm sure the least cynical manager of thge least cynical football team in all of Ireland sent on the least cynical player in all of Cork to hold hands with Paul and calm him down! Well done on the football performance Paul...outstanding.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 22, 2006 9:22:37 GMT
All I'll say on this subject is if you take away "the edge" from Galvin you'll lose a lot of the positives he brings to the team. He put his head where other fellas wouldnt put their legs on Sunday and for that he deserves respect. Fine kicking the ball away was silly - it was the first time he did that and I'm sure will be his last.
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Post by scout on Aug 22, 2006 10:14:44 GMT
Think paul galvin is a brillant player and he had a great game on sunday ,a lot of people dont like his carry on off the ball which is his major down fall which is a shame ,paul would of being in the top 3 for man of the match on sunday
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Post by kerryman on Aug 22, 2006 10:18:15 GMT
Was watching the match again last need. Didn't realise how good a game he had. Outstanding.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 22, 2006 16:03:29 GMT
Kerryman I am surprised to hear you!! had to watch the game again to see the game Paul had. He caught every breaking ball set up alot of the scores and all round huge game. I think he is the kind of palyer who plays with his hearth and at times the head may not be thinkin. Take that away form him and it wont be the same. Why cant we the kerry fans get off his back and look at the positive like Kerryman said OUTSTANDING.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 22, 2006 16:07:23 GMT
Kerryman I am surprised to hear you!! had to watch the game again to see the game Paul had. He caught every breaking ball set up alot of the scores and all round huge game. I think he is the kind of palyer who plays with his hearth and at times the head may not be thinkin. Take that away form him and it wont be the same. Why cant we the kerry fans get off his back and look at the positive like Kerryman said OUTSTANDING. How long have you been going out with him Joan ?
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Post by driveon on Aug 23, 2006 7:53:53 GMT
Paul Galvin is playing great football for Kerry this year and fair play to him for that. But he is a pup and trouble maker of the highest order ever since he was U12, and I’ve seen him playing all the way up along. I think if Kerry end up playing Dublin he will get what’s coming to him (sent off or stretchered off) and it could cost us dearly.
I have always been a good Kerry supporter travelling around the country and I try not to slate players, but he is just giving us a bad name and lower the respect that a lot of people in the country have for this Kerry team…
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Post by ready on Aug 23, 2006 9:11:38 GMT
driveon, you try not to slate players??? name calling like that to any player is a disgrace. paul galvin has his negative points, like goin in hard on tackles, confronting players in an in your face way etc but i think its a little out of order to call anyone who has been serving his county for so long in both codes " a pup and a troublemaker of the highest order". galvin has won almost every award there is to be won and i think he deserves a bit of respect for that. he didnt win all those things out of thuggery and i think its about time someone in the kerry camp stood up for him against the harsh criticism from not only the media but the "kerry supporters". driveon, your obviously from a neighbouring town or village, either that or u ate his dust marking him in a previous match!!
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