dec
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Post by dec on Jul 22, 2006 19:41:16 GMT
No Bad Call by Quill in my books....Why the f..k should he have stayed on??....Its not about whether he is good enough or not...
He had been there for the past 5 years??? and was NEVER given a proper championship start....NEVER..
Bringing on Darren O Sullivan a couple of years back instead of Quill WAS the final straw...
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 23, 2006 11:20:43 GMT
i find it hard to agree with most of this post dec. he should have stayed on because this is the kerry team,its a honour worth dying for to wear the green and gold on all-ireland final day in front of 83000 people and millions world wide. i cant comment on the dareen osullivan coment because i dont know what goes on in training. if fitzmaurice and mike frank were loved by joc,mike frank would not have been shafted for the '04 final,he was in possesion of the jersey all summer,it was a 50/50 call in my book to drop him and fitmaurice would not have been dropped after the munster final '05,his presence last year at centre back v tyrone might have concentrated the minds of dooher,mcguigan and canvanagh who were raceing through the middle like rageing rampent bulls.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 24, 2006 1:34:06 GMT
I agree its an honour to be on the county team but that doesnt mean u should be treated like a piece of s***. Declan is dead right. That man has given kerry his all right the way up from kerry north under 14. He has been a member of the panel in three all ireland finals and yet no one will give him a chance. I know that hes thinking of coming back next year once jack is gone. What other county doesnt see fit to give the top league scorer for a couple of years running a decent shot in the championship?...
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2006 11:06:03 GMT
i agree with what your saying lolly,but i think nobody should leave a county set untill they are told they are not wanted anymore,he should have dug deeper and kept the head down,the way things have transpired this year he proberly would be kerrys top forward and an established first team player by now.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 24, 2006 11:39:31 GMT
How long has tommy girffen been in the panel. mossie Lyons. these fellas didnt throw a strop just ebcause they werent playing championship. they have stuck at it, even through they are still not regulars. they havent thrown in the towel
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2006 11:50:15 GMT
How long has tommy girffen been in the panel. mossie Lyons. these fellas didnt throw a strop just ebcause they werent playing championship. they have stuck at it, even through they are still not regulars. they havent thrown in the towel you'd have more respect for them,bit like stephen stack who ploughed away through the famine to win an all-ireland medal 11 years after picking up one as sub in '86,these are the guys i admire the most and make the 350 mile return journeys worth it to support them.
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Post by westofthebridge on Jul 24, 2006 11:58:57 GMT
Hi Guys, New to this forum but I'd like to hear your thoughts on Kieran Cremin as maybe, just maybe being given a shot between the posts against Longford. Just a thougt here, it's just looking at Murphy the last few games, he doesn't seem to be quite with it and in my opinion cracks are begining to show in his goalkeeping and especially kick outs? cheers.
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Post by ciarrai33 on Jul 24, 2006 12:35:38 GMT
Cannot think of any major fault with Diarmuid Murphys goalkeeping. His kickouts were poor though.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 24, 2006 12:51:22 GMT
I see everyone is on jacks back now for not playing Quill and Mike Frank over the last few years. Jack was a tactical genius for playing John Crowley after the all ireland and now he is a scumbag from dropping Mike Frank and bringing on Darren O Sullivan against Tyrone instead of Dec Quill.. Didn't Darren O Sulivan inject a bit of life into kerry's full forward line when he came on against Tyrone last year in the final. HAVE YE FORGOT. In fairness Mike frank has started every year on the team at the start of the year and it was up to him to make sure he stayed there. he had a horrendous league and has been fairly poor at club level as well. I still think he deserves his chance against Longford but i have to agree with the management with not playing him so far, if he was doing his stuff he would be starting. he has bundles of skill but big question marks about been able to win his own ball.
As for Quill he is a great point scorer, he gets rave reviews with rahillys and he is an out and out scorer. But does everyone forget his failings?? he was so greedy , would nearly shoot from behind the goal instead of pasing to to a colleague in a better position. Also a ball that might not go in perfectly, Quill wasn't exactly the bravest of men to battle for the ball. No doubt he would have had a great chance of making the year would have been a better choice than Paul Connor but that was his own fault for leaving not ther selectors, when Quill was around kerry had John Crowley, hassett, Cinnedide men who would battle for the ball(well apart from Cinneides all ireland performance last year) and much better team players. he would be pushing hard for a starting place this year no doubt but he walked away himself
My main point in this is that when kerry arent playing at their best now, all this *e about players been hard done by since Jack is coming up, even though kerry didn't lose a game under Jack in the championship until last year in the final.
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Post by westofthebridge on Jul 24, 2006 13:49:31 GMT
Fare point Ciarrai. But Cremin is a very good goal keeper and if we are gonna turn this championship around, maybe the Longford game should be treated as a testing ground for the bigger challenges ahead! Trying a few new players, should have been taken care of in the league I know, but clearly it hasn't been done. So lets see next week as our second chance to see what we have on the bench!!! and players like Cremin and MFR are under utilised and they could pave the way for a more dirct game. Kick outs are an issue, a big issue. This is the championship we are talking about and kick outs are an integral part of the game.........
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Post by animal on Jul 24, 2006 15:43:36 GMT
I'm sure after the last day they will have worked on his kick-outs. It was noticable though that he didn't hoof them down the centre as much. He looked to the wings a bit more with moderate success. Anyway isn't this straying off the point of the thread a little?
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Post by kerryman99 on Jul 24, 2006 15:48:15 GMT
I'm sure after the last day they will have worked on his kick-outs. It was noticable though that he didn't hoof them down the centre as much. He looked to the wings a bit more with moderate success. Anyway isn't this straying off the point of the thread a little? sure is. MFR to start. picking off breaks from donaghy and passes from the gooch, if it does'nt work out this weekend then we are in dire straits! both him and gooch will need to be firing on all cylinders if we are to do well this year.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 25, 2006 10:29:03 GMT
We've gone through the Quill debate a few time on this forum and all I'll say on it is that he was extremely hard done by and hope he comes back next year. He was in the stand for a league game this year and he's a better player than the 6 forwards who started the same night.
Mike Frank is a confidence player and he didnt get the support he deserved while others did and still do. I stated here that it was a mistake starting Crowley and not MRF before the 04 final - got a bit of a slating for it after. I wonder if he did start in that final would he still be on & off the team?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2006 11:00:21 GMT
We've gone through the Quill debate a few time on this forum and all I'll say on it is that he was extremely hard done by and hope he comes back next year. He was in the stand for a league game this year and he's a better player than the 6 forwards who started the same night. Mike Frank is a confidence player and he didnt get the support he deserved while others did and still do. I stated here that it was a mistake starting Crowley and not MRF before the 04 final - got a bit of a slating for it after. I wonder if he did start in that final would he still be on & off the team? i fully share your view on mike frank,crowely scored nothing that day,i recon the way the game developed mike frank would have scored 4 or 5 points that day,we sacrificed a young up and coming player,one for the future,for an ageing almost retired one. i think were doing the same with fitzmaurice and moyno,i hope in time to come this wont be remembered as the legacy of this management set up,hopefully brosnan,dec and the failure to provide assistance for the gooch in attack wont also become part of that legacy. the above may sound harsh but its imperative that the management get their selections right for the next two games that will define this management and the potential greatness of this fine bunch of kerry players. sport is a harsh cruel game,we need to ensure that faith doen't see that joc lost his first and last games v lonford. these things have funny way of croping up.
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Post by animal on Jul 25, 2006 11:03:11 GMT
It'll be a big day for him if he starts. Lets hope he does well. Remember his form and his link up play with Gooch in 02? He's still probably the player who links up best with Gooch.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2006 11:07:39 GMT
mike frank and the gooch should be un markable at this stage with a big target man between them with long low high fast ball being played into them,lets cut out the pissanting around and get back to kerry attacking football.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 25, 2006 11:27:25 GMT
The bandwagon is well and truly underway , all jump aboard. Buck how can u justify that it was a mistake playing crowley instead of MFR. Crowley won a savage amount of ball that day even balls he shouldn't have won. Crowley was the fulcrum of kerry's attack in that blistering 1st half. In the aftermath it was a great tactial move by jack and the selectors. Now ye going on about how MFR was hard done by. if ye remeber MFR had enough chances to claim a final place and he didn't take it. he might have got 3 points in the semi against Derry but if ye see it was from other players winning their ball and giving a 5 yard hand pass to MFR, he was and is still unable to win his own ball. He deserves his chance to start against Longford after his good cameo against Cork and the ineffecivetness of the other starting kerry forwards but how can ye complain about the past treatment of MFR when his form didn't deserve it
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Post by buck02 on Jul 25, 2006 11:56:04 GMT
I'm not disputing how well Crowley did that day what I'm saying is that if MFR got the opportunity he was capable of doing the same against a poor Mayo full back line. Its all ifs and buts I know but maybe that was the chance he needed to get back his confidence. We've all known that the over dependency on Gooch could lead to trouble yet the other two natural scoring forwards we have were dropped.
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Post by laddo on Jul 25, 2006 12:54:33 GMT
Saying that Mike frank could have done more than Crowley is pure rubbish, how'd you know that?? The tactic that day was to bombard the Mayo full back line with high ball, how many scyscrapers do yyou think Mike frank would have won off David Heaney?? Kerry used that tactic to great effect that day and that's how they cantered home, so that argument is nonsensical. As for dropping the other 2 natural scoring forwards, i presume you mean quill and mike frank. Mike frank finally looks to be getting some form back. As for quill, where would you have started him last year for the final? Who'd you have given the chop to? He dropped himself from the panel this year!!
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Post by Alan on Jul 27, 2006 16:56:48 GMT
Playing crowley in the AI final was a master stroke and made the platform for the win. Mayo were expecting Kerry to line lout with small forwards in the full forward line and picked three "corner backs" as such to mark them. I have said it before on this site, John Crowley was a very good Kerry footballer and an excellent, hard working target man. What we'd give for him now....
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Post by realist on Jul 27, 2006 17:12:18 GMT
MFR's problem is his inability to win his own ball!! Don'tthink many will dispute that? That is why he has struggled recently with Kerry. But NOW with a big guy like Donnaghy beside him to contest the not so nice one coming in he will get eating and drinking out of it. MFR and Gooch to have big impact on saturday for sure. I just hope that our midfield holds their own and we dont have to resort to bringing Star out there. If that happens we are back to square one!!
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Post by seamus on Jul 28, 2006 8:46:30 GMT
I am launching a PR campaign to get MFR back on the Kerry team for the Longford game! He showed more in 10 minutes than 3 or 4 of our forwards did in the whole game. He is one of our 2 real top quality scoring forwards and we need him on song if we are to have any chance of winning an AI. I cannot see how we can win an AI without him as the alternatives are poor for the 15 jersey. Agents required to promote this story within the county and nationwide. Payment by joy in mid September! Press Release: MFR and his campaign manager Seamus would like to thank all those who supported the campaign to get him back on the Kerry team. 'It means a lot to me to know that so many people are behind me and hopefully i can pay them back on Saturday'. He bloody better.......!
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Post by kerryman on Jul 28, 2006 9:39:34 GMT
I am launching a PR campaign to get MFR back on the Kerry team for the Longford game! He showed more in 10 minutes than 3 or 4 of our forwards did in the whole game. He is one of our 2 real top quality scoring forwards and we need him on song if we are to have any chance of winning an AI. I cannot see how we can win an AI without him as the alternatives are poor for the 15 jersey. Agents required to promote this story within the county and nationwide. Payment by joy in mid September! Press Release: MFR and his campaign manager Seamus would like to thank all those who supported the campaign to get him back on the Kerry team. 'It means a lot to me to know that so many people are behind me and hopefully i can pay them back on Saturday'. He bloody better.......! Thank you very very much mister eastwood.
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Post by mossie on Jul 30, 2006 18:18:48 GMT
mike frank looked sharp on saturday but how come his shooting is nowhere near as accurate as it used to be???
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Post by seamus on Aug 21, 2006 8:40:03 GMT
Its great to see MFR capturing the form of years past. His movement was fantastic yesterday, buzzing across the pitch and having his marker taken off at half time. When he got the first point he punched his fist in the air as if to say 'I'm back' and everyone near me in the hogan stood up and roared him on!! It does ask the question. If Jack had stuck with him and given him 6 or 7 full games on the trot, would we have seen this sooner?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2006 9:51:13 GMT
Form is temporary and class is permanent
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Post by scoobydo on Aug 21, 2006 10:09:39 GMT
Delighted for him. well done franny
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Post by eastciarrai on Aug 21, 2006 10:38:03 GMT
Its great to see MFR capturing the form of years past. His movement was fantastic yesterday, buzzing across the pitch and having his marker taken off at half time. When he got the first point he punched his fist in the air as if to say 'I'm back' and everyone near me in the hogan stood up and roared him on!! It does ask the question. If Jack had stuck with him and given him 6 or 7 full games on the trot, would we have seen this sooner? Good stuff frankie keep those critics quiet. A couple of us got acused of being from killorglin last week for defending mike frank saying that he will get better. Well he did get better.hopefully theres a bit more for the final.Great shout too seamus, that bryan sheehan thread has vanished from the top all of a sudden.surely frankie will start the final now.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 21, 2006 10:51:26 GMT
absolutely..i started the Bryan S thread and am delighted that MFR has come good.. no brainer for Final...no disrespect to Bryan, he is brilliant free taker...
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Post by middlefan on Aug 21, 2006 11:13:37 GMT
It definitely made my day to see Mike Frank back to form - we all know what a good player he is and it has been hugely disappointing to not see him play to his full potential. That first point he kicked set him for a great game and I know all Kerry fans around me in the Hogan were absolutely delighted for the man himself. Way to go Frankie, hope you play even better in the final and reap the rewards of an AI medal!
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