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Post by Mickmack on Aug 18, 2006 8:25:37 GMT
A match in Killarney on a saturday in the height of the holiday season is a recipe for disaster.......... the infractructure aint there rashers.
Dubs fans can travel to Croker by Dart, Bus , Luas etc .......no excuse and you know it .
I was talking to dyed in the wool dubs who want the guards to block off the entrance routes to croke park 30 minutes before the next dubs game to prevent a repeat. They are embarrassed .........rashers........ as ARE ALL REAL DUBS FANS. You mustnt be one.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2006 9:26:18 GMT
get off the fence rashers,theres nothing funny about 40,000 dubs going on the piss and holding up games,it affecting tv coverage,peoples travelling plans,it dissrespectfull to opponents and upsets the preparations of both managers and both set of players.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 18, 2006 10:14:54 GMT
As I said above, how many other games have over 80,000 at them - you dont even take this into account. As for travel, people trying to get across city can take up to 90 minutes or more to make it, not evryone can get to LUAS etc. As for Thurles, I met quite a few Kerry fans who said they missed half the game as well.
Mickmack, your comment about being "a real fan" is a cheap shot. As regards Thurles, I stayed overnight there before the game. For the All-Ireland Final last year I was in the Findlater with decent Kerry fans, they left 10 minutes before the game. I think you must have been there.......... Irish people love the craic in the pubs, and hate to leave. So lets all you Kerry folk stand up and be honest for once, get off yer high horses, stop being so righteous and holier John-Joe than thou
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Post by kerryman on Aug 18, 2006 10:29:00 GMT
, people trying to get across city can take up to 90 minutes 90 minutes? Eeeek. Rashers. I wouldn't question whether you're a real fan or not. This thread has drifted off the point though. The problem is that matches shouldn't start late due to lazy fans no matter what counties are playing.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 18, 2006 10:29:09 GMT
Rashers, in 90 minutes, a lot of Cork and Kerry people wouldn't even have got out of their own county!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2006 10:56:46 GMT
as regards not many games having 80000 crowds,not many counties are in the position of being able to pick from 1.5 million people.
its common sence,if theres a big crowd,leave in plenty of time.
if people can leave somewhere like portmagee,250 miles from croke park and be there in time,then dublin supporters can be in croker in time if they want too.
90 minutes to get across the city,maybe monday to friday,not at weekends. it never takes me more than 10 minutes from the gates of the phenoix park via arvour hill to parnell square.
your arguements dont stand up.
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Post by kerrydoc on Aug 18, 2006 11:16:04 GMT
people trying to get across city can take up to 90 minutes or more oh please. if 90 mins is what it takes to travel to a match then ye really have no excuse. as someone mentioned above, try travelling from the likes of portmagee or the aran islands. pathetic.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2006 11:28:06 GMT
people trying to get across city can take up to 90 minutes or more oh please. if 90 mins is what it takes to travel to a match then ye really have no excuse. as someone mentioned above, try travelling from the likes of portmagee or the aran islands. pathetic. exactly,you will have people leaving places from south and west kerry at 6am on sunday morning to be in croker at 12.30 for the minor game. you will find they wont get back down till sometime around 1am. 19 hours verus 180 mins.come off it.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 18, 2006 13:14:40 GMT
Rashers my good man,
The large majority of Dublin football supporters reside in the mellow odd numbered townships of north Dublin with some coming from west of the Papel Cross also.
There is but a mere trickle of fans from the hardened GAA communes of Stillorgan and thereabouts. So to tell me that it takes ninety minutes for Dublin fans to cross the city to get to the match is making an excuse for a motley crew that wouldn't fill one corporate box, not to mind the Hill!!
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Post by trueblue on Aug 18, 2006 13:46:48 GMT
Lads have to come back in on this one. Think you need to rename the subject to this discussion as 'Why I hate the Dub supporters'. I love some of the terms you use for us like putting Dublin "fans" in inverted commas and "Dubs", you have a lovely image of us as violent alcoholic braindead idiots it seems. Some statements are broad and sweeping with nothing based in fact, "There is but a mere trickle of fans from the hardened GAA communes of Stillorgan and thereabouts" ? Making cuts or personal attacks on us Dublin supporters is a tactic or means of avoiding discussion of the subject that was brought up. My understanding of the subject is how can the GAA prevent delaying games. My solution from earlier I admit might be over simplistic, I think the only way to stop this is for the Gardai to start the games on time and set down a precident, it might take extra security for the first few attempts but the message will be clear to all supporters
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2006 13:49:03 GMT
Lads have to come back in on this one. Think you need to rename the subject to this discussion as 'Why I hate the Dub supporters'. I love some of the terms you use for us like putting Dublin "fans" in inverted commas and "Dubs", you have a lovely image of us as violent alcoholic braindead idiots it seems. Some statements are broad and sweeping with nothing based in fact, "There is but a mere trickle of fans from the hardened GAA communes of Stillorgan and thereabouts" ? Making cuts or personal attacks on us Dublin supporters is a tactic or means of avoiding discussion of the subject that was brought up. My understanding of the subject is how can the GAA prevent delaying games. My solution from earlier I admit might be over simplistic, I think the only way to stop this is for the Gardai to start the games on time and set down a precident, it might take extra security for the first few attempts but the message will be clear to all supporters good post.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 18, 2006 13:53:20 GMT
I would agree. The Dublin supporters may be being singled out. Steps should be taken to prevent any supporters coming in late and who are obviously intoxicated. They are a danger to themselves and to others. Why should the good people of Ireland have to put up with such louts disrupting their enjoyment of the game? Has anyone ever seen stewards asking people to leave who are drunk and abusive to other supporters and to players?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 18, 2006 13:54:14 GMT
Some statements are broad and sweeping with nothing based in fact, "There is but a mere trickle of fans from the hardened GAA communes of Stillorgan and thereabouts" ? I lived there for ten years.....South Dublin doesn't bring many fans to a game.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 18, 2006 15:18:15 GMT
Some statements are broad and sweeping with nothing based in fact, "There is but a mere trickle of fans from the hardened GAA communes of Stillorgan and thereabouts" ? I lived there for ten years.....South Dublin doesn't bring many fans to a game. You mustnt have had your eyes open Stacks buddy, with all respect. I know loads who come from the strongholds of Boharnabreena, parts of Rathfarnham, Tallaght, Newcastle, Clondalkin, Greenhills, Walkinstown, Ballyfermot, Palmerstown to start with. These are vast areas of housing estate. Anyway, that's another argument, and as has been said above, is not the point. If I was travelling to Killarney or Aran Isles I too would obviously leave in plenty of time, especially if I had to get a train or bus, this is daft talk. Sure God love yis, theres a decent plane service now, and my cousin is a pilot with Aer Arann, so I'll make sure the palne will wait if yis are late getting to the airport on the 3rd Sunday in September It's what people are doing before the match that matters. I obviously have no problem with the match being started on time, and I disagree with anyone who says, "it would be dangerous" I was there in 83 when gates were pushed in etc, but that cant happen these days with the way the ground is set up and the kind of security in place. So what exactly IS the argument for not starting on time? If people want to turn up late, so be it. It's annoying for those who are there on time, but it's not the feckin theatre! Dont try to tell me there isnt a proportionate amount of Kerry or any other fans not doing the same thing. Once again, regarding Thurles, was this not just as "unusual" a circumstance as Killarney this year? 60,000 ticket-holders were converging on the small town, from Dublin probably 40,000 ticket-holders plus god knows how many who just travelled to be there. They were not used to going to Thurles, and were coming in from a different direction to what the much more familiar Cork, Clare, Limerick, Waterford fans would have been coming for Hurling matches (in case anyone wants to make that point). Finally, of course its discourteous, selfish & loutish for people to turn up late, and to be drunk at a football match, but then again, how anyone can be surprised at this kind of behaviour in ANY context in Irish life is gobsmacking to me. None of you have obviously had the pleasure of using public transport, ordering taxis, waiting on items ordered, standing outside B&Bs in Macroom waiting for monosyllabic people who cant tell you what you want to know to decide when they feel ready to do you the favour of telling you whether or not they have a room free at 9pm in lashing rain, etc etc. Once again, lets all be honest and admit this is the Irish disease, take the twig from your own eye, and so on.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 18, 2006 15:33:31 GMT
as regards not many games having 80000 crowds,not many counties are in the position of being able to pick from 1.5 million people. its common sence,if theres a big crowd,leave in plenty of time. if people can leave somewhere like portmagee,250 miles from croke park and be there in time,then dublin supporters can be in croker in time if they want too. 90 minutes to get across the city,maybe monday to friday,not at weekends. it never takes me more than 10 minutes from the gates of the phenoix park via arvour hill to parnell square. your arguements dont stand up. get off the fence rashers,theres nothing funny about 40,000 dubs going on the piss and holding up games,it affecting tv coverage,peoples travelling plans,it dissrespectfull to opponents and upsets the preparations of both managers and both set of players. Oh here we go, the usual lazy, ignorant, propoganda trundled out for the Dubs-bashing season. "pick from 1.5 million", I thought better of you than this KG, are you seriously trying to bother saying that people still respond to that pathetic excuse? Well for the 500th time, here goes for the slow boys down the back of the class - how many of the population of Dublin are from Dublin, or could be Dub followers? How many of THOSE have any real interest in Gaelic Games? And your point is totally irrelevant regarding the argument, which is about crowd problems. Most Dublin Champo matches lately have 80,000 - FACT. Most other matches dont get near this, not even double-headers. The excuse of Saturday matches doesnt wash - we played Saturdays last year and in 2002 at least, with full houses. As for your totally disingenuous "point" about "40,000 Dubs on the piss" causing heartache to the rest of the nation, where does one even begin to address a joke like that? Are you saying then that Kerry fans dont go on the piss before games? Are you saying that 40,000 Dub fans are causing the problem? How do you back up the point that late-comers are holding up the game? The security is holding up the game, as they refuse to leave alot of people outside, to come in on their own time. Now lets not go round in circles here, as I've already said that latecomers ARE causing problems, some amount of them are late for no good reason, and there is no excuse for delaying the start of matches. There's no need for all the other nonsense you came out with, just pure vitriol that says more about you than the fellow Irishmen & women who cause problems that security havent dealt with by behaving like.............Irishmen & women. BTW, I didnt notice you on here giving it loads about Laois/Meath fans delaying the start of the match in Navan, missiles being thrown etc etc. I guess the bowed horses only notice what raises their heads..............
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Post by boris on Aug 18, 2006 16:12:07 GMT
sorry folks but if people reakon that fans cant be stopped from entering croke park late and there wont be any trouble then think again. there wouldn't be enough boys in blue in the city to stop them and sure a riot outside croke park is what everyone wants. i agree with the theory but not a runner,
i'm not sure if its done, but if not section off the hill and the early ones get the best spots and the late comers get whats left.
strange there is never any hassle getting into parnell park when dublin are playing, but then the 70000 real fans arent there either!!!!!
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 18, 2006 19:44:11 GMT
was at the Kerry/Longford game. It was due to the fact that there was only 2 turnstyles open. We were in the queue at 2.45 and didnt get in until after 3.3o. and that was only because they opened a 3rd turnstyle after 3.30,
what the dubs want the dubs generally tend to get. lets just hope them or cork dont win the all ireland (if kerry dont manage to do it) could handle nearly every other team winning the AI, just not them
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 18, 2006 20:07:56 GMT
Mayo or Laois should make it clear for the semi final that they will be available to play the game at the appointed time and walk off if it doesnt start on time. That would wake the gaa up and address the issue. As someone else said............ Parnell Park is not full for league matches......... why hold the country to ransom for "summer" fans. I was at the Dublin Laois match and this guy behind me asked what time "kick off" is at. At least he was in the ground on time!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 19, 2006 10:06:43 GMT
its not really an issue for other counties to become involved in.
i'm sure the gaa wont tolerate if it becomes an on going issue in the long term and wiil have to address the issue.
the two boys behind me at a recent leinster final wearing the cartel golf tee shirts hadn't much of a clue either about the game.
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 19, 2006 12:30:05 GMT
was at the Kerry/Longford game. It was due to the fact that there was only 2 turnstyles open. We were in the queue at 2.45 and didnt get in until after 3.3o. and that was only because they opened a 3rd turnstyle after 3.30, what the dubs want the dubs generally tend to get. lets just hope them or cork dont win the all ireland (if kerry dont manage to do it) could handle nearly every other team winning the AI, just not them Blah blah blah blah blah Yaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn So all the Kerry and other counties fans who show up for Championship matches go to all the league games too then? Or even 30% of them? Jaysus, it must be great atmosphere in Stack's Park in February. My God us Dubs really are the untouchables, we are truly to blame for all the ills of the GAA, and the country in general. I'm sure every Kerry fan in Croker, every Munster fan in Landsdowne & Cardiff etc are true die-hard fans who know their stuff. Blah blah blah blah blah yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn God help us all if we get to the final, and its against Kerry, with all this xenophobic hype before the semis have even taken place. :-*For the record, if Dublin dont win it the only team I would shout for would be Mayo. Any of the others winning it and I'd leave the country for a while, I couldnt stand all the smug arrogance. Jaysus, just the thought of a Laois-Kerry final or Cork winning it sends me for a lie-down
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 19, 2006 13:14:07 GMT
A kerry-laois final would be novel in fairness.......
Mickos 90th year involvod, Billy Sheehan, Pauric clancys granddad.......... wouldnt it be lovely........
Still here Rashers?
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Post by Riocht on Aug 19, 2006 14:25:03 GMT
I was lucky to attend the match against Longford - We were delayed at least half hour by traffic (Milltown Road) Had to park car nearly a mile away - We were delighted the match had been delayed and thought the reason was the traffic.
This is not the same reason as the Dublin matchs - I say start the match on time or very good idea - cut down on the allocation of tickets to the Dubs!
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 19, 2006 14:27:22 GMT
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Post by Riocht on Aug 19, 2006 14:28:42 GMT
Rashers - You should book your ticket to Cuba now!
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 19, 2006 14:31:02 GMT
I was lucky to attend the match against Longford - We were delayed at least half hour by traffic (Milltown Road) Had to park car nearly a mile away - We were delighted the match had been delayed and thought the reason was the traffic. This is not the same reason as the Dublin matchs - I say start the match on time or very good idea - cut down on the allocation of tickets to the Dubs! Ta pian i mo chean, is sais beansi thu
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Post by Riocht on Aug 19, 2006 14:35:13 GMT
Bhuel a Rasher a bhuachaill - Ní thuigim do chaint - Ní ró mhaith a labharann tú ár dteannga dúchais - B'fhéidir gur chóir duit tamall a chaitheamh sa Ghaeltacht - Tá fhios aige Dia go bhfoghlaimeófá Caid chomh maith le Gaolainn. Agus cá bhfios - beagáinín céile! Mar a deir an tseanfhocal: "Ní fiú mórán beagán d'aon rud, ach is fiú alán beagán céile!"
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 19, 2006 14:59:49 GMT
Bhuel a Rasher a bhuachaill - Ní thuigim do chaint - Ní ró mhaith a labharann tú ár dteannga dúchais - B'fhéidir gur chóir duit tamall a chaitheamh sa Ghaeltacht - Tá fhios aige Dia go bhfoghlaimeófá Caid chomh maith le Gaolainn. Agus cá bhfios - beagáinín céile! Mar a deir an tseanfhocal: "Ní fiú mórán beagán d'aon rud, ach is fiú alán beagán céile!" "bhfoghlaimeófá"? Jaysus! The very word I were lookin for! Yeah, and "ignorance is bad, but a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing", in the hands of a Dub who thinks he's funny! Oh, the loneliness of the long-distance punner............
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Post by Riocht on Aug 19, 2006 15:09:11 GMT
"Loneliness" is the word for you alright! A long time now ... let me see ... it must be going on 11 years ... out in the cold on a fine Septembers day ..!
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 19, 2006 15:17:47 GMT
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Post by Riocht on Aug 19, 2006 15:45:57 GMT
Go to McDonalds!
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