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Post by chrism on Jan 4, 2010 23:34:28 GMT
Tommy can make onions Cry!. We will probably be crying in 2010. Meanwhile across the border Ciaran Sheehan goes out to Carlton and spends 2 months there. Get offered a contract but says no I am going to play for Cork. Kieran Shannon did a piece on him in last Sundays Tribune. He scored 6 points from play against us last year before he had his leaving cert done. Meant to have a great ability to score from way out the field. Shannon thinks Cork are going to put P O Neill to midfield and slot him in there. Would be great if Mike McCarthy stays another year.
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Post by Johnnyb on Jan 5, 2010 14:49:28 GMT
Saw something on the Saints fan forum thats worrying. At a recent function in the Gold Coast someone had this to report: "Tommy- Looking foward to the challenge.... He said his brother should get a chance to train next year and is talented. Never done weights in his life and the difference in a professional sport where it is all about it is great. Is happy for the chance and will try hard to make it, but knows he has a lot to learn, still cant kick as reports say, he is finding it hard... " www.saintsational.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58894&start=0
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 5, 2010 19:16:50 GMT
Saw something on the Saints fan forum thats worrying. At a recent function in the Gold Coast someone had this to report: "Tommy- Looking foward to the challenge.... He said his brother should get a chance to train next year and is talented. Never done weights in his life and the difference in a professional sport where it is all about it is great. Is happy for the chance and will try hard to make it, but knows he has a lot to learn, still cant kick as reports say, he is finding it hard... " www.saintsational.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58894&start=0Its inevitable that Barry John will want to have a peep through the door if Tommy is making progress.
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Post by patinkerry on Jan 5, 2010 20:17:47 GMT
You wouldn't want this to become a trend though, would you?
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Post by homerj on Jan 6, 2010 11:12:21 GMT
dont think we had a choice or a chance in keeping him really had we? hot weather, money, professional game....no chance really.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 6, 2010 14:17:29 GMT
What could have been done to entice Tommy Walsh to stay.
This is a serious question?
Tis easy to say "we let him go"
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Post by patinkerry on Jan 6, 2010 15:05:00 GMT
Walsh set to make big mark on AFL By Daragh O Conchúir Wednesday, January 06, 2010 FORMER Young Footballer of the Year Tommy Walsh is winning over AFL fans without having played a competitive game in Australia. Walsh, who signed for Melbourne outfit St Kilda last year, has shown impressive form in training and the Kerry man’s potential has become a hot topic of conversation on the club’s web forum. The thread, entitled ‘interesting stuff re; Tommy Walsh’ is started by a poster saying that the Kerins O’Rahillys forward had been "putting smiles on the faces of our coaches lately" before adding: "Apparently in some match simulation during the week, he took a huge hanger over Kosi (St Kilda star Justin Koschitzke), hit the ground running and nailed a goal, straight through the middle from around the 60 metre mark!!! Jaws dropped in disbelief and then excitement. Wants the physical stuff – crashing into bodies, throwing big tackles, loving it apparently. It seems the club is now keen for him to be on the main list. He is progressing very quickly, and impressing everyone at the club. Excitement is growing at what we have got hold of." Another poster claims that club chairman, Greg Westaway, told him about Walsh’s remarkable feats, although the mark over Koschitzke and the 60-metre goal took place during his initial trial. Another says that one of the players, Nick Dal Santo, described Walsh as "a freak" after that particular trial. Some cold water is poured on the increasing hype by the revelation that Walsh, who will wear No.37, had finished second last in a repeat running exercise, and that he would need time to hit the required fitness levels, but that remains a rare negative point. "There is no doubt he has gone past initial expectations," wrote ‘yipper’, who started the thread. "His love of the physical stuff is particularly appealing. He is taking to this game of ours very quickly. The other thing is he has apparently got big hands which is really helping him to master the art of marking an AFL football. "And he is a very strong man as well as athletic. So rest assured he is ticking off all the boxes at the club at the moment." It is at this point, that Walsh begins to be accorded near-iconic status, prompting a response that has been unknown for any other Irish recruit since Jim Stynes and Seán Wight tried their luck Down Under in 1984. This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, January 06, 2010 Read more: www.irishexaminer.ie/sport/gaa/walsh-set-to-make-big-mark-on-afl-109068.html#ixzz0bqRWmN0I
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Post by glengael on Jan 6, 2010 15:45:12 GMT
You beat me to it Pat, I was just about to post this article! We had better get our spellings, punctuation etc right for the New Year, just in case someone in the national , nay international media, start quoting us now! To answer the question mickmack, short of taking the passport off him , I don't know what else we could do to keep him here. And that would only be a temporary measure. I wish Tommy well in his life and career. As a selfish Kerry supporter, of course I wish he was here to help us defend the title that he helped so much to win. As the reasonable person which I try to be outside of football, I can see why he went and hope it works out for him
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 6, 2010 16:23:11 GMT
What could have been done to entice Tommy Walsh to stay. This is a serious question? Tis easy to say "we let him go" Tis easier to do nothing.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 6, 2010 16:30:50 GMT
What could have been done to entice Tommy Walsh to stay
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Post by JOAN on Jan 6, 2010 17:44:47 GMT
Agree mickmack.. what could have been don't to keep him. we are a amateur sport so money was out of the question..So what could the Kerry county board do.. I'm sure there was plenty of talks prior but the attraction of playing and getting paid to do it is something we cant compete with.. Maybe now is the time to look at our amateur status!!!
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Post by patinkerry on Jan 6, 2010 18:11:13 GMT
Tommy went to Australia to have a paid career as a professional football player, barr giving him the same opportunity here, how could we compete.
I was reading Jack's Keys to the Kingdom for the second time over the holidays and he pointed out the "mental health" difference between the year he was Kerry manager and worked part-time (half days) as opposed to the year he worked full-time.
There was another story about Declan O Sullivan and how he gave up his job in the summer of 06 to improve his form and play after the munster match with Cork. He lived off his own savings then. Paul Galvin said on a recent tv programme that he would be insulted if anyone called him an amateur especially in relation to preparation involved.
THe players give a huge amount of their time to football; they can have extremely tight schedules. It brought my attention to the risk of burnout or mental drain for young fellas who have to hold down a full-time job and play at a competitive level with a county like Kerry. Its not easy being a professional in all senses barr the fact that you have to hold down a full-time job for day to day living.
I know they get the glory, pride etc and I am well aware of how important that is and am not knocking it but maybe they need a little more too. If they had more time to devote to the football, some compensation for maybe working part-time as opposed to full-time or something like that (I know thats not always practical)....maybe something like that would help.
Its disappointing see people like Tommy leaving our shores; its also disappointing seeing young good footballers leave the country because they have lack of work, sometimes lost forever as an active player for the GAA.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 7, 2010 0:38:20 GMT
David Ian Campese (b. 21 October 1962, Queanbeyan, New South Wales), also known as Campo, was an Australian rugby union player. He also occasionally played fullback. Former Australian rugby coach, Alan Jones, said of Campese, "He's probably done one or two bad things and 15 good things." His propensity to make mistakes often made him the central feature of controversial moments, but his brilliance during some of Australian rugby's most vital moments have often led him to be called Australia's greatest rugby player and possibly one of the greatest rugby wingers in the history of the game. Campese was often forthright and cocky, bragging about being a millionaire years before rugby union went professional. But as Nick Farr-Jones once said, "He was just one of those instinctive players that just have pure genius". (wikipedia)
David Campese was Rugby Unions first millionaire, plying his trade in Milan, long before the game went professional. Just like his game being full of imagination so too was his financial acumen off the pitch, probably closely followed by Will Carling.
Tommy and Satanta have passed up on great opportunities, Tommy could probably have financed his game from endorcements and other sources within a few years.
I suppose its like looking at an oil painting and seeing a black and white print.
My favourite line from '09 comes from Cody in relation to Charlie Carter and Brian McEvoy, when he referred to them as walking away from something sacred. He was never going to go after them.
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Post by jerryewe on Jan 7, 2010 2:24:43 GMT
What could have been done to entice Tommy Walsh to stay. This is a serious question? Tis easy to say "we let him go" Im reading a lot recently aabout how most people in the country would struggle to recognise Tommy Walsh (the hurler) and Henry Shefflin even though they are two of the all time greats. Compare this to John Mullane and Sean Og who would be two of the most recognisable faces in Ireland. What is the difference? The first two wear helmets while the latter two don't. The point that I am trying to make is that players need to be visible to the public. In order to do this I think the GAA should employ the best young players to market the GAA. Guys like Tommy Walsh, Aidan Shea, Michael Murphy, Joe Canning, Noel McGrath etc should be employed to travel the country promoting the games, coaching kids and giving them advice. Just look at the crowd in Dr Crokes for the two Kilkenny hurlers that came down to coach them. Imagine if that was happening all over the country, the excitement of kids in a county where there is not as much success and an All-Ireland winner coming to visit them.I know many people do this coaching anyway but kids will always be more awe struck by someone they have seen playing on the telly, just look at the gang around Joe Canning after every game. The reason that I am saying that it should be the younger players doing this is because the most of them would be in college and could work this around their studies. They would be paid directly by the GAA and it would be a decent wage as well in order to make it more attractive. The advantages of a scheme like this would be that players become more widely known to youngsters who will then be keen to emulate them. I also think that it will help keep players from taking the Aussie Rules option as it showing them the part that they have to play in the association and make it harder for them to turn their back on it.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jan 7, 2010 11:19:36 GMT
What could have been done to entice Tommy Walsh to stay Not a single thing. I can guarantee you that. No job he would have been given as a young 22 year old would have had a salary above that which he is earning in Melbourne. No weather in Ireland would compete with what he has, and will have in Melbourne. He was never going to become a professional in Ireland. He was never going to have an opportunity to travel abroad while continuing to play for Kerry and earning money when he came back. Ireland is in a recession, with numbers moving to Australia increasing 25% in 2009. Australia isn't in a recession. There was nothing that was going to persuade Tommy Walsh to remain in Ireland. Nothing.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 7, 2010 12:45:45 GMT
You're right there ASA but I'd like to add one thing to that. More improtant than just the money or anything else for any sportsperson is, I think, the opportunity to play a game you love full-time, to be involved in sports all day not having to worry about work or anything else. It's all a sportsperson would like most of all. The money and the weather are a huge bonus though too.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 7, 2010 18:36:38 GMT
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jan 7, 2010 18:55:03 GMT
A cursory glance at the exchequer returns will tell you that!! Doesn't mean many footballers will go down under though.
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Post by narriesrule on Jan 8, 2010 0:11:07 GMT
as of now barry john is going no where he is stayin here with kerry and strand road so no point in worryin that he will go to aussie like tommy wen he hasent even been offered trials and if he is its up to him if he wants to go or not like it was up to tommy but i think barry john will deffo be her for 2010
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2010 8:35:28 GMT
By Daragh Conchir
Walsh set for AFL debut
Wednesday January 20 2010
Kerry's All-Ireland-winning forward Tommy Walsh looks likely to make his competitive Aussie Rules debut next month.
The former Young Footballer of the Year has been earning rave reviews for his efforts in training since joining St Kilda on a two-year international rookie contract in October. His coach, Ross Lyon, is anxious to see how he will fare in first-team action.
With that in mind, the 21-year-old who "physically, is capable of doing anything" has been tipped to be let off the leash in the pre-season NAB Cup against Collingwood on February 19.
St Kilda football manager, Greg Hutchison, conceded that it would be "pretty exciting" to see the big Tralee man set loose.
"The coach will make up his mind about when he plays him but the NAB Cup is interesting because it's an opportunity to try some people that maybe haven't got a background in AFL football," said Hutchison.
Nuances
"It would be pretty exciting if we saw Tommy Walsh run out in Round 1 of the NAB Cup. He can play at either end of the ground and once he understands the nuances of the game, who knows where he's going to go with it all?"
Reports from Down Under suggest that Walsh has got to grips with the oval ball quickly, while his pace for a man of his stature has surprised many.
He has settled in with the rest of the squad, who have quickly christened him 'Ivan', after the blond-haired Russian villain in Rocky IV, Ivan Drago.
"Where he's come from pre-Christmas and when he got here, he's really improved," Hutchison enthused. "Physically, he's capable of doing anything. The greatest challenge for him is learning the the game and its skills, and once he gets a handle on that, physically I think he's got the attributes to make an impact.
"It may work or it may not, but if it does work, we've certainly got a free player, if you like. What he's shown playing Gaelic football, even if we can get a little bit of that, we might have found a player. He's a really quiet fellow but he goes about his business in a really professional way."
- Daragh Conchir
Irish Independent
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Post by patinkerry on Jan 20, 2010 13:47:25 GMT
Its to be expected that he would impress them down under, sure he impressed us and most of the country over the last few years. I have mixed feelings about all of this; I honestly wish him well down there but I would love to see him togged out in the green and gold.
Can someone answer me this theoretical question, if St Kildas don't do well in the AFL this year, then to my understanding their season ends early. The AFL final is around the same time as the AI final so if St Kilda are not in it, Tommy would be free. Could he play for Kerry then if we were still in the competition at that stage or would he be deemed "professional" and not be able to play.
Tadgh was still under contract with the Swans when he was here last year but I know he was not actively playing for them in the 2009 season and I also remember reading something in his book about coming back years ago when he was with Swans and there was a chance that he could play with Kerry in Croke Park (this was one of the years with Paudi)...he was not picked though.
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Post by OnTheForty on Jan 20, 2010 14:25:59 GMT
Pat, Tommy would not be deemed professional, the rules relate to deriving an income from GAA related activities. How advertising affects this, I'm not sure, eg Gooch for Lucozade Sport. I remember years ago, Maurice Fitz winning an all sports kicking competition, including professional sports like soccer, Aussie Rules, American football, and he had to hand the prize money to the GAA. Of course players and managers can be paid 'expenses'.
You are correct about Tadgh - he was available in 2002 for the AI Final against Armagh, but was not selected, which was fair enough since one player who had trained all year would have to be dropped off the panel. Although I am convinced that if we had him or certainly Maurice that year as an impact sub when the tide turned against us, that we would not have thrown away that All-Ireland.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2010 14:27:04 GMT
Its to be expected that he would impress them down under, sure he impressed us and most of the country over the last few years. I have mixed feelings about all of this; I honestly wish him well down there but I would love to see him togged out in the green and gold. Can someone answer me this theoretical question, if St Kildas don't do well in the AFL this year, then to my understanding their season ends early. The AFL final is around the same time as the AI final so if St Kilda are not in it, Tommy would be free. Could he play for Kerry then if we were still in the competition at that stage or would he be deemed "professional" and not be able to play. Tadgh was still under contract with the Swans when he was here last year but I know he was not actively playing for them in the 2009 season and I also remember reading something in his book about coming back years ago when he was with Swans and there was a chance that he could play with Kerry in Croke Park (this was one of the years with Paudi)...he was not picked though. Hard to know, with the current structures kerrys season is mostly about the six week window from the first of August till the 3rd Sunday in September. Can't see how the professional argument would hold up, but I persume we would be back to the usual petty internal squabbles about joining the panel late. Tommy is the most exciting forward talent to come out of kerry since Maurice Fitz in '88 in my eyes. If we cant see that were it matters well then we dont deserve to hold on to him.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 20, 2010 14:29:57 GMT
Pat, Tommy would not be deemed professional, the rules relate to deriving an income from GAA related activities. How advertising affects this, I'm not sure, eg Gooch for Lucozade Sport. I remember years ago, Maurice Fitz winning an all sports kicking competition, including professional sports like soccer, Aussie Rules, American football, and he had to hand the prize money to the GAA. Of course players and managers can be paid 'expenses'. You are correct about Tadgh - he was available in 2002 for the AI Final against Armagh, but was not selected, which was fair enough since one player who had trained all year would have to be dropped off the panel. Although I am convinced that if we had him or certainly Maurice that year as an impact sub when the tide turned against us, that we would not have thrown away that All-Ireland. Really bright people in Tyrone would get over that issue by naming him at no 31 and buying an extra medal.
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Post by branch on Jan 20, 2010 16:22:18 GMT
Fair play Tommy!!
Walsh set for AFL debut
By Daragh Conchir
Wednesday January 20 2010
Tommy Walsh has earned rave reviews at St Kilda where he looks likely to make his debut in next month's pre-season competition, the NAB Cup. Photo: Getty Images
Tommy Walsh has earned rave reviews at St Kilda where he looks likely to make his debut in next month's pre-season competition, the NAB Cup. Photo: Getty Images
Kerry's All-Ireland-winning forward Tommy Walsh looks likely to make his competitive Aussie Rules debut next month.
The former Young Footballer of the Year has been earning rave reviews for his efforts in training since joining St Kilda on a two-year international rookie contract in October. His coach, Ross Lyon, is anxious to see how he will fare in first-team action.
With that in mind, the 21-year-old who "physically, is capable of doing anything" has been tipped to be let off the leash in the pre-season NAB Cup against Collingwood on February 19.
St Kilda football manager, Greg Hutchison, conceded that it would be "pretty exciting" to see the big Tralee man set loose.
"The coach will make up his mind about when he plays him but the NAB Cup is interesting because it's an opportunity to try some people that maybe haven't got a background in AFL football," said Hutchison.
Nuances
"It would be pretty exciting if we saw Tommy Walsh run out in Round 1 of the NAB Cup. He can play at either end of the ground and once he understands the nuances of the game, who knows where he's going to go with it all?"
Reports from Down Under suggest that Walsh has got to grips with the oval ball quickly, while his pace for a man of his stature has surprised many.
He has settled in with the rest of the squad, who have quickly christened him 'Ivan', after the blond-haired Russian villain in Rocky IV, Ivan Drago.
"Where he's come from pre-Christmas and when he got here, he's really improved," Hutchison enthused. "Physically, he's capable of doing anything. The greatest challenge for him is learning the the game and its skills, and once he gets a handle on that, physically I think he's got the attributes to make an impact.
"It may work or it may not, but if it does work, we've certainly got a free player, if you like. What he's shown playing Gaelic football, even if we can get a little bit of that, we might have found a player. He's a really quiet fellow but he goes about his business in a really professional way."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2010 21:48:52 GMT
Tommy being a professional would not impact on him playing later in the year if he were to come back. Tadhg came back and played U21's even though he had played for the Swans at that stage already.
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Post by branch on Jan 20, 2010 23:08:54 GMT
Would depend on how far the Saints got this year (they made the final last season), the Aussie Grand Final is almost the same time as the All-Ireland Final!
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Post by patinkerry on Jan 21, 2010 9:36:30 GMT
So if St Kilda and Swans did badly this year and Tommy and Tadgh were available (and things were looking dodgy for Kerry), they could in theory play for Kerry in the latter stages of the championships.
I know that would not be fair on the lads that trained all year, but God forbid, if some of the lads had injuries etc, it is an option............. (another possible backup plan)
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Post by animal on Jan 21, 2010 9:46:48 GMT
So if St Kilda and Swans did badly this year and Tommy and Tadgh were available (and things were looking dodgy for Kerry), they could in theory play for Kerry in the latter stages of the championships. I know that would not be fair on the lads that trained all year, but God forbid, if some of the lads had injuries etc, it is an option............. (another possible backup plan) I doubt their respective clubs back in OZ would allow it.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 21, 2010 10:46:33 GMT
Given the fact the Swans forbade Tadhg to do just that I doubt indeed they will aloow it. Tadhg did it anyway assuming nobody in Oz would hear about it if he played with the Emmetts but they did and they were not happy about it. Swans and Kilda pay lots of money for these guys and put lots of time and effort in them and the financial future of the club also depends on good results. To them the championship is not importnat: why would they risk two good players getting injured playing a game in another competititon when they pay their salaries? With becoming a professional players come very different responsibilities and it would be foolish for either one of them to throw away a lucrative deal even if they do get to play with Kerry. I wish to see them back playing for Kerry but they have to think about their own future as well
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