Micko to return to Kingdom?

[topscorer]

Win, lose or draw on Sunday, will Micko be in charge this time next year?

[inforthebreaks]

no

[kerrygold]

Yes.

[inforthebreaks]

do you really think so Kerryman? Or is it that you want him to? I can't see him going there again.

I would say hes more likely to be at the dubs...

[kerrygold]

ya,i think it might be a real possibility,why not,i'm not sure though how the micko/paidi combination would work out as suggested else where.


heffo has joined up with the dublin minior management for next year.i think thats a brillant idea by dublin,these guys have far too much experience to offer rather than let fade away into the back ground.

what paidi and micko achieved with westmeath,kildare and laois is phenominal,we wouldnt appreciate those achievements down here,but i can assure you,living in leinster i've seen them at first hand and they are massive acheivements to teams that struggled yearly.

might be just what the doctor ordered to claim aback to back if we manage to win on sunday.
i'd say moyno and darragh would be pricking their ears at the prospect.

anyway first things first,sunday has to be sorted out first.

[sullyschoice]

Why i sthere such animosity to O Dwyer in Kerry...all time legend as player and manager....Maybe he is getting a bit over the hill though

[kerrygold]

the guy has been directly involved in 21 all-ireland senior football finals,10 as a player and 11 as a manager.You dont learn that kind of experience from a book or manual, or buy it from some fancy dressed up evening course.

paidi has been involved in 14 senior finals,some package if the two of them if they could work to-gether,the experience of 35 all-ireland senior finals combined.wow.

[Tadhgeen]

How would the team selection work with Dwyer/O'Se combo? I mean would they have just one selector with them ?

[austinstacksabu]

Micko had all the raw talent he needed in Laois to go further than All Ireland quarter finals. Despite what he may believe, preparing your team, as Jack has done for the last three years, and which neither Paudi or Micko did to the same level through sheer stubborness, has given Jack a far higher run rate of success than Paudi managed in his last three years, and which Micko should have achieved with Laois (comparatively that is).

[kerrygold]

throw in the bomber into the package as forwards coach,paidi as backs coach and micko as mr motivator,i bet moyno and darragh will be first to training next january.

[kerrygold]

no stacks,you obviously have no concept of football in laois and the mentality there,i'd say you no nothing about laois football.

jack o connor has worked with one of the most gifted panels of players to come to-gether in a very long time.take a look at the list of 19 and 20 years olds on the panel,throw in dec,gooch,donaghy and you see whats in kerry.


micko didnt have the talent in laois to win an all-ireland.light years off.

[kerrygold]

stacks, in his last three years paidi won an all-ireland and lost a final ,and also lost a semi final,throw in 3 munsters and your operating at the cutting edge of football.


one question for you stacks,kerrys first five outfield subs for sunday,brosnan,fitzmaurice,darren,sheehan and mossy,how many of them would make the laois team?,i'd suggest they would all walk on to the laois team.

[KevinT]

austinstacksabu said:

Micko had all the raw talent he needed in Laois to go further than All Ireland quarter finals. Despite what he may believe, preparing your team, as Jack has done for the last three years, and which neither Paudi or Micko did to the same level through sheer stubborness, has given Jack a far higher run rate of success than Paudi managed in his last three years, and which Micko should have achieved with Laois (comparatively that is).

Ah , Stacks , have you been hitting the local momo juice

[austinstacksabu]

Paudi's last three years:

1) 2001. All Ireland semi final. Destroyed by Meath in the most unfathomable match played by Kerry in the modern era.
2) 2002. Lost an All Ireland final by sitting on his backside as Armagh tore us apart. He had absolutely no idea what to do - cue Barry O'Shea coming on with two minutes remaining.
3) 2003. Physically and mentally beaten in an All Ireland semi final by a team who were leading by example. Paudi had the team going backwards.

Micko and Laois. The most famed manager of all time couldn't convert the most talented bunch of minors (and not a bad bunch of U21s), Tyrone apart, since the early 1970s. Laois looked weak and inept when they came up against the heavyweights, with no real belief or idea of how to beat the opposition.

Fergal Byron, Joe Higgins, Beano McDonald, Tom Kelly, Padraic Clancy and Ross Munnelly would walk onto every county team in Ireland. Billy Sheehan would walk onto most. Yet all they have to show is one Leinster title and a smattering of All Ireland quarter final defeats / fiascos.

[Walter Mitty]

Micko will not be kerry trainer next year. I believe the county board (and some of the leading players) would be afraid of the iron grip he'd have on the whole set up

[scoobydo]

Have a look through the "great" minor and u-21 teams they produced, how many of them broke through to the Senior panel, success went to the heads of a lot of them young fellas. It was up to their own clubs and their own desire to succeed to get onto the Senior Panel, Micko could only deal with the lads that were putting it in for their clubs and had the interest to play for the county. These players had to be available to Micko for us to judge whether he made the most of them or not. I believe they weren't available.

[kerryman]

inforthebreaks said:

do you really think so Kerryman? Or is it that you want him to? I can't see him going there again.

I would say hes more likely to be at the dubs...

I think you mean Kerrygold there.
Given a choice I'd see the management unchanged for next year (win lose or draw this Sunday).

[kerrygold]

totally agree with you scoobydoo,you totally accurate with that one,


ok stacks,who would you would you drop of the kerry team on sunday to accommodete the six laois players you mentioned.

you mentioned six laois players,no county every won an all-ireland with six players that might be up to speed.

whats your opinion on kildare coming within 30 minutes of winning an all-ireland final?,remembering they were trying to close a 70 year gap,in'98.

whats you opinion on kildare losing a league final to a fluke vinny murphy goal in '91 concidering that 12 of the kildare team were playing in div.3 of the league the previous year.

whats your opinion of kildare wining two leinster finals '98 and '00 for a county that lost 6 leinster finals in the '70's back boned by a team that won three leinster u21 titles,1 all -ireland and lost another all-ireland u21 final in the mid to late sixties.

whats you opinion on laois winning a leinter final in mickos first year bridging a 60 odd year gap and contesting a league final v armagh also.

whats your opinion on paidi winning a first leinster title ever with westmeath in his first year.

these are huge achievements stacks in counties that are losing year after year and should not be underestimated.

and finally what gaureentees can you give that jack o connors kerry team would not go stale if jack stayed with them for another 3 or 4 seasons?.

[inforthebreaks]

scoobydo said:

Have a look through the "great" minor and u-21 teams they produced, how many of them broke through to the Senior panel, success went to the heads of a lot of them young fellas. It was up to their own clubs and their own desire to succeed to get onto the Senior Panel, Micko could only deal with the lads that were putting it in for their clubs and had the interest to play for the county. These players had to be available to Micko for us to judge whether he made the most of them or not. I believe they weren't available.

hear hear Scooby. He did what he could with a bunch of talented, but un motivated and over hyped (over egoed) players. Won a leinster and had Laois talked about as a team that had a chance of winning an all ireland. I can't see how anyone could question Micko's credentials

[inforthebreaks]

kerryman said:

inforthebreaks said:

do you really think so Kerryman? Or is it that you want him to? I can't see him going there again.

I would say hes more likely to be at the dubs...

I think you mean Kerrygold there.
Given a choice I'd see the management unchanged for next year (win lose or draw this Sunday).

you're right Keryrman. I did mean Kerrygold. but I don't think you'll get your wish.

[kerrygold]

inforthebreaks said:

scoobydo said:

Have a look through the "great" minor and u-21 teams they produced, how many of them broke through to the Senior panel, success went to the heads of a lot of them young fellas. It was up to their own clubs and their own desire to succeed to get onto the Senior Panel, Micko could only deal with the lads that were putting it in for their clubs and had the interest to play for the county. These players had to be available to Micko for us to judge whether he made the most of them or not. I believe they weren't available.

hear hear Scooby. He did what he could with a bunch of talented, but un motivated and over hyped (over egoed) players. Won a leinster and had Laois talked about as a team that had a chance of winning an all ireland. I can't see how anyone could question Micko's credentials

people who question micko dont know what they are talking about.

[Die Hard Kerry Fan]

Spot on

[RashersTierney]

Not O'Dwyer, but maybe the man who pointed out what animals yis all are
Sergeant Pillar will be our boss next year, so that's a daft notion that anyone else, let alone Micko, would get it.

[austinstacksabu]

kerrygold said:

inforthebreaks said:

hear hear Scooby. He did what he could with a bunch of talented, but un motivated and over hyped (over egoed) players. Won a leinster and had Laois talked about as a team that had a chance of winning an all ireland. I can't see how anyone could question Micko's credentials

people who question micko dont know what they are talking about.

Hold on now one second. And this my last post or thereabouts before Sunday!!

Read back on my two posts together. All I'm saying is, I believe Micko didn't bring enough preparation to the team to have them ready to make the jump to the big leagues. They are there or thereabouts, but I believe with more thorough preparation, Laois were semi final material.

[kerrygold]

ya,ya,ya whatever stacks,worm your way out of it,what ever you think.
i persume you mean he didnt employ a hape of gurus,

he didnt in kildare either and worked from an underage base that won leinster minor finals in '83,'87'91 and a leinster u21 in '92.

all four teams were subsequently beaten in their all-ireland semi finals.

micko has been involved in 21 all-ireland senior finals and people question him,

john morrison tells the mayo players to warm up in the hill end before an all-ireland semi final and the people acclaim him as a tactical genius.

strange times we live in.

laois were unlucky not to contest semi finals,
they gave armagh a good game in '03 whom got to the final and they drew with mayo in this years quarter final who are in the final.

[gruaigcatach]

i think micko did as much as he could have with that crop of laois players, and cannot be faulted for laois coming up short of getting to semi-finals and finals.

they had a lot of good players but were always carrying one or two that held them back in terms of getting to finals. also they didnt really have great strenght in depth to be able to make changes when they need to win those big games.

[gruaigcatach]

and laois were a very average side before he came along. he has left with laois's standing in football enhanced no end

[ardfertnarrie]

Are people out of there minds. Micko is a legend and gave Kerry huge service as a player and manager. But I see no reason why we would want him to take over from Jack. As for Paudie, well that's a whole different ball game. He presided over one of the most talented teams of the last ten years and has more painful defeats than joyful memories to account for. He treated one of the most gifted footballers of ALL TIME disgracefully, and a number of other players. Yes he brought Kerry an All Ireland after an 11 year drought, but we would have won a lot more only for his stuborness and pigheadedness.


Nuff said.

[gruaigcatach]

micko would be better off staying clear of the kerry job. if he took it up he would be on a hiding to nothing due to the almost unattainable standards he set for himself in the 70's and 80's.

id like to see what he could do with Galway.

[sullyschoice]

Laois were better at under age cos they are small. Havent developed physically like others....and they spend most of their time fighting with each other anyway