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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 5, 2006 9:56:14 GMT
You are a man of reason Owenabue. I salute you. But why not end this debate altogether. I propose to Admin that this thread be deleted and consigned to the dump. Lets look towards the All Ireland in a positive frame of mind.
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Post by Admin on Sept 5, 2006 10:02:58 GMT
It would be great to close it off inforthebreaks, - but first, you'll have to get breakball, austinstacksabu and George Bernard Shaw to agree!! (see page 1)
Good luck with that!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 5, 2006 18:55:31 GMT
Gawksie, since you backed me up a few pages ago, I feel it's only reasonable that I return the compliment.
Admin, it's not often I find myself constantly on the other side of the fence to you. You run a great site, and put in hours beyond call.
However, to ask for a thread to be shut down because a few people find it is detracting from the debate over the All Ireland final is quite frankly surprising. Can somebody explain how this very thread is detracting from the All Ireland debate? This very topic is, as I said before, being talked about in every in house, out house and cow house in the country in the lead up to the final. Watch how many articles refer to it in the coming days.
Are we football fans here or Kerry groupies only too willing to ignore the reality of the world and smoke the positive spin pipe being passed about?
This site is for GAA fans to discuss openly and honestly what is being talked about the country (and beyond in my case) over. There is a thread on this site about the new Kerry jersey that I petitioned to have shut down earlier this year. It had nothing to do with football or the matches being played yet we all yapped away as if the world was grand. That site is still up.
If we can talk about how many hoops a jersey should have, and whether Gooch looks fat in it, we can certainly talk about the real debate occuring on the streets of Kerry. Let this continue.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 5, 2006 20:09:39 GMT
While i agree that kerry have seemed to adopt a meaner streak in recent times i am allin favour of it, theres no point getting pushed around and complaining about it, meet fire with fire i say. Armagh are one of the most cynical teams i have ever seen in my time. Aside from the third man tackles etc they always stop the game for an 'injury' whenever a team seem to get a run at them in order to disrupt their flow. Even martin carney alluded to it in the armagh v kerry this year when he said its going on so long we're used to it.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 5, 2006 20:53:22 GMT
Again, we are here to be Kerry fans, not pipe smoking football groupie pacifists.
You ask who we are responding to KerryNorth.
As I have said before, I am responding to those who think the present Kerry squad are near angelic footballers. There are quite a few here who believe that, or are sticking their ostrich like heads in the sand and ignoring the reality.
They are not.
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Post by Admin on Sept 5, 2006 21:03:10 GMT
As for Admin.....well it was only a matter of time with a few of us only surprised that it took you this long to express a wish to close the thread down. Great to have you back in all your glory gawksie. Thought we lost you there for a while. Anyway, sorry to disappoint, but locking this thread was referenced way back on the first page - but the guardians of free speech were in just as quick then as well, and very welcome they were! However, to ask for a thread to be shut down because a few people find it is detracting from the debate over the All Ireland final is quite frankly surprising. …the thread is still open, and very little, if any, modifications have been done to the posts. So ok, please continue to discuss “cynical football, playing pessimistic, being disparaging, being sceptical, bringing distrust into the game, dirty digs, needlessly kicking balls away, sly elbows, Kerry’s filthiness, kneeing, rough house tactics, and dishonest football” in all its misery. If it means that much to everyone and deemed worthy to be the top thread twelve days before the All-Ireland then so be it. As always, we can only ask that you keep it clean, keep it fair, keep it accurate, keep it honest! Ciarraí Abú |
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 5, 2006 21:38:31 GMT
Thanks admin.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 6, 2006 13:52:11 GMT
Observation: Armagh beat Kerry in 2002 a lot of Kerry people say Armagh are cynical Tyrone beat Kerry in 2003 a lot of Kerry people say Tryone are cynical Tyrone beat Kerry in 2005 a lot of Kerry people say Tyrone are cynical Kerry beat Cork in the League 2006 Cork esp Billy say Kerry are cynical Kerry beat Armagh in 2006 some (but not many) Armagh people say Kerry are cynical Kerry beat Cork in 2006 Billy and loads of Cork people say Kerry are cynical If its any consolation Rashers, Dublin lost to Mayo in this years semi, and Dublin (Whelan) was cynical.  Only messin' boy! p.s. I'm hearing a lot of Cork people giving out about Kilkenny being cynical this week. Isn't that a surprise, but at least John Allen is being gracious about it. Billy could take a leaf from his book and say the better team won. i dont think i have heard anyone down here in the last few days mention that Kilkenny were cynical. Only a very begrudging and unknowledgeable fan would suggest that. The Cork hurlers were well beaten fair and square by a far better team on the day The Cork footballers were well beaten by a better team on the day, but elements of Kerry's approach to the game were anything but 'fair and square' for that reason is was much easier for John Allen to be as gracious as he was Billy Morgan in his post match comments acknowledged the fact Kerry were the better team and deserved their victory but also acknowledged the incidents over which this debate has erupted. but any Cork fan that suggests that the only reason Kerry won was because of 'cynicism' is obviously not very familiar with gaelic football. Cork have a way to go yet to match Kerry's scoring threat, and that is the difference between the teams at the monent. |
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 6, 2006 14:10:04 GMT
gruaigcatach, don't even try... we'll only be regarded as bad losers. We'll let them sort it out themselves as to weather Kerry or indeed any other teams are guilty of cynicism.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 6, 2006 16:22:12 GMT
Fair enough gruaigC. I've heard people whinging a fair bit particularly about the treatment Corcoran was getting. suggesting that he was concussed for most of teh game due to a slap of the hurl early on. I'll be watching it tonight to see if there's any truth in it. Corcoran was heckled hard (as were the rest of the team) but I wouldn't rate it as being that cynical despite what I've heard this week.
I find it hard to accept that Billy Morgans post Kerry match reactions are any way comparable to John Allens.
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Post by RashersTierney on Sept 7, 2006 9:07:43 GMT
I venture to suggest that if Tyrone, Armagh or Dublin had won such a game, in a relatively comparible way to Kilkenny, we'd never hear the last of it. But when the purebloods do it it's "pure naked awesome hunger & bravery" etc  |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2006 20:34:25 GMT
Yawn..............
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 8, 2006 9:22:12 GMT
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 8, 2006 9:28:10 GMT
All we want to throw is Billy. Far into the depths of the Atlantic and watch him complain about how the dolphins are too cynical for him and not playing fair, then complain about how the seagulls in the media won't write about it beacuse everyone loves dolphins..
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2006 9:42:56 GMT
There's enough venum and poision in this thread to make the stringray that killed Steve Irwin during the week, on the great barrier reef, look like a newly spawned tadpol.
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 8, 2006 14:58:52 GMT
From this evenings echo
Make up your own mind, says Morgan
Cork football coach Billy Morgan refused to enter a mud-slinging contest with Kerry’s Jack O’Connor today, following the latter’s comments at the Kerry press night this week.
O’Connor was speaking at the media gathering in the build up to the All-Ireland football final and referred to Morgan’s comments after Cork’s four competitive meetings between the two that Kerry were a “cynical team”.
O’Connor stated this week that Cork were hoping to paint Kerry in a bad light commenting: “Somewhere along the line Cork got this notion where if they threw enough muck some of it would stick.”
The Cork coach spoke out initially following the Football League tie between the two sides last February when he stated that Kerry were the most cynical team in Ireland.
Morgan again spoke out following the All-Ireland semi-final loss when Nicholas Murphy was injured and Michael Shields was forced from the game early on.
This morning Morgan refused to be drawn into a war of words with O’Connor.
“All I’ll say is that people have their own eyes and they saw what went on,” said Morgan. “People will make up their own minds.
“Apart from that I’ve no comment to make on the reported comments.”
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Post by butchy on Sept 8, 2006 15:12:01 GMT
Billy Morgan is a disgrace to Cork people everywhere. At least they have a Gentleman like John Allen coaching the hurling !!
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 8, 2006 15:20:37 GMT
I really think Billy Morgan would need to play a championship match agianst Tyrone, Armagh or Derry before he is qualified to speak out about Kerrys tactic.
Granted we are no angles but we are know worse than anyone else and that includes Cork
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Post by butchy on Sept 8, 2006 15:24:28 GMT
He'll say anything to take away from the fact that Kerry are just better then Cork at the moment !!
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Post by RashersTierney on Sept 8, 2006 19:32:08 GMT
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 13, 2006 11:14:45 GMT
i was driving round Ballina last night and happened to be following Ronan McGarrity for about 1 mile, i was going to crash into him and knock him out for the game on Sunday...
now that would be cynical....
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 13, 2006 11:29:21 GMT
Billy Morgan is a disgrace to Cork people everywhere. At least they have a Gentleman like John Allen coaching the hurling !! thats a totally unfair, unwarranted and over the top comment. Billy has never done anything to be branded as a disgrace and if you were ever to meet him you would find out that he too is a gentleman. |
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 13, 2006 11:32:16 GMT
he's keeping that fact well hidden.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 13, 2006 11:53:00 GMT
he's keeping that fact well hidden. im aware that that may be the opinion of many in kerry, but to label him a disgrace to cork people everywhere is ludicrous |
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Post by topcat on Sept 13, 2006 18:24:48 GMT
All we want to throw is Billy. Far into the depths of the Atlantic and watch him complain about how the dolphins are too cynical for him and not playing fair, then complain about how the seagulls in the media won't write about it beacuse everyone loves dolphins.. Brilliant!!! I larve it! larve it! larve it! |
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 14, 2006 7:48:51 GMT
the main problem people in kerry have with billy is that his previous spell in charge of cork marked the end in a period of dominance for a great kerry side in munster and ireland. he got cork to 5 finals in 7 years. was it any coincidence that kerrys eleven years without sam up until 97 coincided with billy's stint as manager? and they only won the all-ireland again after he had left the job as cork manager in 96.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 14, 2006 11:39:10 GMT
the main problem people in kerry have with billy is that his previous spell in charge of cork marked the end in a period of dominance for a great kerry side in munster and ireland. he got cork to 5 finals in 7 years. was it any coincidence that kerrys eleven years without sam up until 97 coincided with billy's stint as manager? and they only won the all-ireland again after he had left the job as cork manager in 96. I've heard that from Cork people before, and I disagreed - I told them the problem is that he goes crying to the press whenever they are beaten by Kerry. He did it last year, and did it with bells on this year. I've no problem with a manager that can get his team to finals, but when he loses the plot when he's not winning then he's just acting the goat. Billy is a damn fine manager, but needs to be a bit more gracious in defeat. |
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 14, 2006 12:42:59 GMT
the main problem people in kerry have with billy is that his previous spell in charge of cork marked the end in a period of dominance for a great kerry side in munster and ireland. he got cork to 5 finals in 7 years. was it any coincidence that kerrys eleven years without sam up until 97 coincided with billy's stint as manager? and they only won the all-ireland again after he had left the job as cork manager in 96. I've heard that from Cork people before, and I disagreed - I told them the problem is that he goes crying to the press whenever they are beaten by Kerry. He did it last year, and did it with bells on this year. I've no problem with a manager that can get his team to finals, but when he loses the plot when he's not winning then he's just acting the goat. Billy is a damn fine manager, but needs to be a bit more gracious in defeat. most kerry fans had the same opinion of Billy ever before this whole cynicsm argument started, or before he took up the job for the second time, so unless those people could see into the future then the reasons they dislike him are those i have mentioned above. |
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Post by kerryman on Sept 14, 2006 12:55:12 GMT
If you say so, but I won't count myself in that lot so. Its only in the last couple of years he's bothered me.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 14, 2006 13:04:26 GMT
If you say so, but I won't count myself in that lot so. Its only in the last couple of years he's bothered me. thats fair enough. but there are some who have been bothered by him for a lot longer than that. (including a lot in cork) |
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Oh what fun and games we’ll have next year in the Munster Championship! I wonder is there a chance that a media ban could be put in place just so you wouldn’t have anything to throw at us? 
