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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrywoman on 29 Aug, 2006, 16:36
Listening to Gaa phone in last night very disappointed with the comment from the Dub supporter that Mayo have to watch Kerry for Cynicism, mentioned that Nicholas Murphy got a hard time from Dara- was at the match thought it was tit for tat.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by laddo on 29 Aug, 2006, 16:50
The dub supporter thatmentioned dara giving murphy a hard time has a bit of a nerve saying that... Dara went in hard on murphy alright and prob did foul him a couple of times in the air but whelan tried to decapitate mcgarrity when he was destroying him... A bit of the old pot calling the new kettle black!!
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on 29 Aug, 2006, 17:14
dont be negtive towards dublin laddo old chap,you might be accused of hating everything dublin.
this comes with a government health warning.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Jo90 on 29 Aug, 2006, 17:36
One thing Kerry should look out for is the Mayo goalie deflating the ball while he's placing the ball for kickouts.
He was at it against Dublin.
Taken straight out of the Cork book of gamesmanship.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by JOAN on 29 Aug, 2006, 20:21
What?
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by homerj on Yesterday at 7:56
29 Aug, 2006, 17:36, Jo90 wrote: One thing Kerry should look out for is the Mayo goalie deflating the ball while he's placing the ball for kickouts.
He was at it against Dublin.
Taken straight out of the Cork book of gamesmanship.
i have heard it all now, where did you see/hear that, what is the point behind it?
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 14:49
29 Aug, 2006, 16:36, kerrywoman wrote: Listening to Gaa phone in last night very disappointed with the comment from the Dub supporter that Mayo have to watch Kerry for Cynicism,
in the midst of the usual rumour in the lead up to an all ireland final (donaghy's jaw, deflated balls) just a quick word on the above quote.
THis whole thing about Kerry being a cynical team, first off, is a load of sh1te. As we all know this was a campaign started in the second round of the league when Billy Morgan made a comment along the lines that 'everybody goes on about the northern teams, but we have our own cynical teams down south'. Obviously Billy knew what he was doing. He was planting a seed that grew later in the year, the munster championship. He used this to deflect attention from his team and used it to throw negative attention on Kerry. It worked.
Now others have jumped the bandwagon. I heard it on RTE sportscall the Monday after the semi and it made me sick. Neutrals are picking this up because its the lazy thing to do. It was Kerry Cork. It was the third time we'd played them in a few weeks. It was a hard, tough semi final. What Darragh did was NOT illegal. He was fired up. ENd of story. There are those out there who seem to think, probably because of Pat Spillane, that Kerry have a holier than thou attitude and they'll take every opportunity to ram any bit of negativity down our throats.
We shouldn't feed into this. Kerry have slightly changed their attitude toward games (the introduction of Paul Galvin, being the easiet one to spring to mind) but we've moved with the times. We're blending old style with the new. It's working. 34 is on the way.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 14:54
But they do. We are. Will people please take their heads out of the clouds and have a look at the reality of it.
We are cynical at times. We do the dirty digs. We do the needless kicking balls away. We do the sly elbows.
But we're not alone.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:02
Stacks, I agree with you but only to a point. This cynical thing is not new to the game and to believe so is wrong. We've got this blinkered view of 'the way it was' in the 70's and 80's in Kerry. Probably from the Golden Years video. Kerry were never afraid of a fight, to get the elbow in, to stay on the ground when it was needed. Micko often gave players a dig in the ribs if they'd fallen and he came on the pitch to 'look after' them. If he felt Kerry needed an extra minute to get their breath back, he'd give em a dig. Go back to the 20's, the 30's, men like COn Brosnan, or the 50's and the Bawn. Did they throw the elbow in?? Course they did. Was that being cynical then? no. Is it cynical now? no. Its a mans game. Lets get on with it.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 15:05
Do we all live in cloud cookoo land or something?
Watch the Cork game again. We were filthy at times and in the past i've castigated Armagh / Tyrone and Cork among others for that type play.
Don't bury your head and go "no no, we're clean as a whistle". We're not. But we're not alone. What Billys campaign has done is bring unwarranted attention to Kerry doing what everybody else is doing anyway. Dublin and Mayo were at it too on Sunday.
We're not alone. It's not acceptable and it's up to the refs and their teams to sort it out. I don't condone it.
But we are cynical at times. Every team is now.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:11
Define cynicism....Morgan and several of the Cork players have thrown this accusation on Kerry without showing how. Its an easy label to throw out. As you said, 'every team' is cynical. Thats not totally in doubt, but to say that every team is now cynical supposes that they werent in the past, which is a load of balls.
,Darragh put his knee into Murphy's back a couple of times. Galvin kicked the ball away, got into a few scuffles. SO WHAT? This is football, not netball. I despise this idea that people look on Kerry as a cynical team. As things stand, we're not cymical. We don't dive, we don't, generally, act the maggot. We go out to play good, and at times hard football. Don't buy this thing of Kerry being cynical.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 15:17
Cynicism: Pessimism, sarcasm, disparagement, skepticism, distrust.
Playing cynical football means playing pessimistic football, being disparaging, skeptical, bringing distrust into the game.
Kerry, along with other counties did that. If you want to play football the honest way, you don't kick the ball away. You didn't see the golden years team do it. Darragh's kneeing of Murphy in the back, a rough house tactic, not honest football. Of course it has existed in the past - football has never been clean of cynicism. Sure Sean Walsh practically climbed all over lads with his boots to get to a ball. There are other examples O'Mahony going in late after the Cork player had gone to ground with the ball, knees out.
Ger Brady going down on Sunday with cramp then jumping up as if nothing at all was wrong with a minute left - Mayo trying to slow down the last Dublin attack. That is pessimistic tactics.
I could go on. The game is rife with it. Kerry are at it, so is everybody else.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:25
Its nothing new. You could name six of the great Kerry team and put forward a case that they were cynical. THough I'd find it hard to prove Ambrose Donovan was sarcastic, Tommy Doyle was skepitcal, Paide Se was pessimistic, Johnno was distrustful.
Lovely adjectives Stacks, but they've nothing to do with football.
Despite what you may think, last Sundays game in Croker was a classic. The Kerry Cork game was a tough, typical semi final. Sure, there were some 'cynical' acts, Kerry were responsible for some. But come on, to to try and say that the game is now full of cynical teams? I ain't swallowing that. It's been that way forever man. When last did you play in, let alone see a game where somebody is not going to try and gain that extra percent, that extra yard to try and win a game. IS that cynical? NO
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 15:38
stacks any chance you could list 10 cyncical incidents by kerry players say over the last 3 years,'04 to '06.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 16:02
Paul Galvin kicking the ball away in this years semi final
Darragh's knees in the back the same game
Aidan O'Mahony going down with his knees on a player on the ground in the same game
Tom Sullivan going down Oscar style during the 2006 Armagh game looking for a free kick
Galvin taking McGeeney out of it off the ball in the same game
The entire game v Limerick in Limerick in 2005 - we were filthy (that counts as three)
Tomas O'Se first half against Limerick - 2004 replay.
William Kirby - Tyrone 2005 - remember the elbow.
Maybe I shouldn't say cynical. Maybe I should say rough? Some were cynical, some were just plain filthy.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Dermot on Yesterday at 16:23
Fair play stacks, you're being honest and realistic !
All the top teams are cynical at times - None of us are total angels and for any of us to think we are is bullS*** or possibly just "wishful thinking" !
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by noreenos on Yesterday at 16:47
Hey There lads,
I have to say that I am surprised at the lenght of time you are all dwelling on this stuff. The referees should be more vigilant and do their job.
What I think we might be better off doing is debating as to how we can beat that Mayo team.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 16:57
so stacks your changing your verdict from kerry being a cyncical team to a rough team,maybe you meant to say that kerry have responded to the environment they existed in and upped the physical nature of their play to survive in their pond.
when the anti is upped the law of the jungle is fine by me,dog eat dog and its the survival of the fittest,after all its a mans game played by extremely fit and strong young men.
what do we want from our senior county players in kerry?,sit back and let our holes be kicked like in'01 v meath,like in '02 when we colasped v armagh and had no answer and in '03 when we couldn't compete with tyrone neither mentally or physically.Do we want to see our forwards thrown around like rag dolls and have no one in around the house to see if their ok.
thats fine,we sit back and critisise them for the winter back home and tell them there this and that,our manager tell us were fcuking animals and we all take offence about it.
What do we expect the players to do,lie back,take the critism and be remembered as soft gutless players who picked up handy all-ireland medals.it doesnt work that way.
Can anyone prove without reasonable doubth that dara drove his knees in nic murphys back intentionally.Dara is a far smaller man than murphy,for dara to compete in the air with him he has to get a spring into his step.You cant achieve this from a standing position,you have to make a run,spring of your supporting left,rivot your hips and tuck your legs in up under your stomach to gain max height.Go out and try it,can you prove catigorically to me that this is not the case and that dara was not pushing himself to his limits to compete with a bigger man in the white hot furnace of an all-ireland semi final.
As regards galvin kicking the ball away,it was a tiny side step kick no more than 3 or 4 yards,hardly a hanging offence than in comparison to kicking a placed kick out ball away out of reach at the death of an all-ireland final to protect a one score lead.
As regards the limerick games,do we expect the kerry players to lie down and be out muscled by an oppossing team,hardly,they were the two games that made kerry in '04.
football has become a hard physical game full of verbals and sickening mouthing where players are continiously provoked,some respond,some dont,just ask zinidine zidane about it.
How do you know what was being said between galvin and geezer,can you prove there was or there wasn't,no you cant,its fine throwing accussations from the comfort and safety of the hogan stand.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 17:57
totally agree with you kerrygold. its a fine line between cynicism and playing hard and gaining the advantages. i dont think weve crossed it.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 18:11
its like this breakball,we wouldnt have won the national league without the form of dara o se and the limits he pushed himself throughout in the depths of winter.
armagh would have kicked us out of croke park without the inspiraional play of dara in the second half.he grabbed the team and the match by the scruff of neck and drove kerry forward.
Remember the very first two balls of the second half he won.He drove himself on to extreme limits,same v cork when he took on and beat nic murphy head to head.
without dara o se our season would have been anothing this year.
it erks me a wee bit to have his play construde as cynical play,its the play of a man pushing himself beond the beonds of his ability for his county and team mates.
i think we should be telling people like billy morgan where to shove their begrudgery.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Dermot on Yesterday at 19:08
Yesterday at 16:57, kerrygold wrote:
when the anti is upped the law of the jungle is fine by me,dog eat dog and its the survival of the fittest,after all its a mans game played by extremely fit and strong young men.
football has become a hard physical game full of verbals and sickening mouthing where players are continiously provoked,some respond,some dont,just ask zinidine zidane about it.
How do you know what was being said between galvin and geezer,can you prove there was or there wasn't,no you cant,its fine throwing accussations from the comfort and safety of the hogan stand.
KG, where on earth did this crazy idea that Kerry were "ever" a soft team physically ........... The idea that Kerry have suddenly instilled a hard edge into the team is rediculous.....Its always been there .... Win or loose Kerry were always a physical team, end of story - No one is saying there is anything wrong with that but for christs sake admit it at least !
Yesterday at 16:57, kerrygold wrote:
As regards galvin kicking the ball away,it was a tiny side step kick no more than 3 or 4 yards,hardly a hanging offence than in comparison to kicking a placed kick out ball away out of reach at the death of an all-ireland final to protect a one score lead.
My point in an earlier post on a different thread was that people should be consistent with their criticism/comments........ If it was a disgusting, cynical, pathetic thing for a player to do last year, why is it less of a sin to do it this year ........ Changing the exact scenario in which it happened shouldn't suddenly make it all right.
Basically, what I'm saying is that folk should be consistent...... You can't slag off other teams for doing things that you dudge perfectly ok when done by your own team..................... If you say a certain action is reprehensible for one, it should be so for all, and if its ok for one, then again it should be ok for all.
Consistency, fairness, honesty and pragmatism is whats called for !
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrywoman on 29 Aug, 2006, 16:36
Listening to Gaa phone in last night very disappointed with the comment from the Dub supporter that Mayo have to watch Kerry for Cynicism, mentioned that Nicholas Murphy got a hard time from Dara- was at the match thought it was tit for tat.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by laddo on 29 Aug, 2006, 16:50
The dub supporter thatmentioned dara giving murphy a hard time has a bit of a nerve saying that... Dara went in hard on murphy alright and prob did foul him a couple of times in the air but whelan tried to decapitate mcgarrity when he was destroying him... A bit of the old pot calling the new kettle black!!
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on 29 Aug, 2006, 17:14
dont be negtive towards dublin laddo old chap,you might be accused of hating everything dublin.
this comes with a government health warning.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Jo90 on 29 Aug, 2006, 17:36
One thing Kerry should look out for is the Mayo goalie deflating the ball while he's placing the ball for kickouts.
He was at it against Dublin.
Taken straight out of the Cork book of gamesmanship.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by JOAN on 29 Aug, 2006, 20:21
What?
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by homerj on Yesterday at 7:56
29 Aug, 2006, 17:36, Jo90 wrote: One thing Kerry should look out for is the Mayo goalie deflating the ball while he's placing the ball for kickouts.
He was at it against Dublin.
Taken straight out of the Cork book of gamesmanship.
i have heard it all now, where did you see/hear that, what is the point behind it?
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 14:49
29 Aug, 2006, 16:36, kerrywoman wrote: Listening to Gaa phone in last night very disappointed with the comment from the Dub supporter that Mayo have to watch Kerry for Cynicism,
in the midst of the usual rumour in the lead up to an all ireland final (donaghy's jaw, deflated balls) just a quick word on the above quote.
THis whole thing about Kerry being a cynical team, first off, is a load of sh1te. As we all know this was a campaign started in the second round of the league when Billy Morgan made a comment along the lines that 'everybody goes on about the northern teams, but we have our own cynical teams down south'. Obviously Billy knew what he was doing. He was planting a seed that grew later in the year, the munster championship. He used this to deflect attention from his team and used it to throw negative attention on Kerry. It worked.
Now others have jumped the bandwagon. I heard it on RTE sportscall the Monday after the semi and it made me sick. Neutrals are picking this up because its the lazy thing to do. It was Kerry Cork. It was the third time we'd played them in a few weeks. It was a hard, tough semi final. What Darragh did was NOT illegal. He was fired up. ENd of story. There are those out there who seem to think, probably because of Pat Spillane, that Kerry have a holier than thou attitude and they'll take every opportunity to ram any bit of negativity down our throats.
We shouldn't feed into this. Kerry have slightly changed their attitude toward games (the introduction of Paul Galvin, being the easiet one to spring to mind) but we've moved with the times. We're blending old style with the new. It's working. 34 is on the way.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 14:54
But they do. We are. Will people please take their heads out of the clouds and have a look at the reality of it.
We are cynical at times. We do the dirty digs. We do the needless kicking balls away. We do the sly elbows.
But we're not alone.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:02
Stacks, I agree with you but only to a point. This cynical thing is not new to the game and to believe so is wrong. We've got this blinkered view of 'the way it was' in the 70's and 80's in Kerry. Probably from the Golden Years video. Kerry were never afraid of a fight, to get the elbow in, to stay on the ground when it was needed. Micko often gave players a dig in the ribs if they'd fallen and he came on the pitch to 'look after' them. If he felt Kerry needed an extra minute to get their breath back, he'd give em a dig. Go back to the 20's, the 30's, men like COn Brosnan, or the 50's and the Bawn. Did they throw the elbow in?? Course they did. Was that being cynical then? no. Is it cynical now? no. Its a mans game. Lets get on with it.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 15:05
Do we all live in cloud cookoo land or something?
Watch the Cork game again. We were filthy at times and in the past i've castigated Armagh / Tyrone and Cork among others for that type play.
Don't bury your head and go "no no, we're clean as a whistle". We're not. But we're not alone. What Billys campaign has done is bring unwarranted attention to Kerry doing what everybody else is doing anyway. Dublin and Mayo were at it too on Sunday.
We're not alone. It's not acceptable and it's up to the refs and their teams to sort it out. I don't condone it.
But we are cynical at times. Every team is now.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:11
Define cynicism....Morgan and several of the Cork players have thrown this accusation on Kerry without showing how. Its an easy label to throw out. As you said, 'every team' is cynical. Thats not totally in doubt, but to say that every team is now cynical supposes that they werent in the past, which is a load of balls.
,Darragh put his knee into Murphy's back a couple of times. Galvin kicked the ball away, got into a few scuffles. SO WHAT? This is football, not netball. I despise this idea that people look on Kerry as a cynical team. As things stand, we're not cymical. We don't dive, we don't, generally, act the maggot. We go out to play good, and at times hard football. Don't buy this thing of Kerry being cynical.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 15:17
Cynicism: Pessimism, sarcasm, disparagement, skepticism, distrust.
Playing cynical football means playing pessimistic football, being disparaging, skeptical, bringing distrust into the game.
Kerry, along with other counties did that. If you want to play football the honest way, you don't kick the ball away. You didn't see the golden years team do it. Darragh's kneeing of Murphy in the back, a rough house tactic, not honest football. Of course it has existed in the past - football has never been clean of cynicism. Sure Sean Walsh practically climbed all over lads with his boots to get to a ball. There are other examples O'Mahony going in late after the Cork player had gone to ground with the ball, knees out.
Ger Brady going down on Sunday with cramp then jumping up as if nothing at all was wrong with a minute left - Mayo trying to slow down the last Dublin attack. That is pessimistic tactics.
I could go on. The game is rife with it. Kerry are at it, so is everybody else.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 15:25
Its nothing new. You could name six of the great Kerry team and put forward a case that they were cynical. THough I'd find it hard to prove Ambrose Donovan was sarcastic, Tommy Doyle was skepitcal, Paide Se was pessimistic, Johnno was distrustful.
Lovely adjectives Stacks, but they've nothing to do with football.
Despite what you may think, last Sundays game in Croker was a classic. The Kerry Cork game was a tough, typical semi final. Sure, there were some 'cynical' acts, Kerry were responsible for some. But come on, to to try and say that the game is now full of cynical teams? I ain't swallowing that. It's been that way forever man. When last did you play in, let alone see a game where somebody is not going to try and gain that extra percent, that extra yard to try and win a game. IS that cynical? NO
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 15:38
stacks any chance you could list 10 cyncical incidents by kerry players say over the last 3 years,'04 to '06.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by austinstacksabu on Yesterday at 16:02
Paul Galvin kicking the ball away in this years semi final
Darragh's knees in the back the same game
Aidan O'Mahony going down with his knees on a player on the ground in the same game
Tom Sullivan going down Oscar style during the 2006 Armagh game looking for a free kick
Galvin taking McGeeney out of it off the ball in the same game
The entire game v Limerick in Limerick in 2005 - we were filthy (that counts as three)
Tomas O'Se first half against Limerick - 2004 replay.
William Kirby - Tyrone 2005 - remember the elbow.
Maybe I shouldn't say cynical. Maybe I should say rough? Some were cynical, some were just plain filthy.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Dermot on Yesterday at 16:23
Fair play stacks, you're being honest and realistic !
All the top teams are cynical at times - None of us are total angels and for any of us to think we are is bullS*** or possibly just "wishful thinking" !
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by noreenos on Yesterday at 16:47
Hey There lads,
I have to say that I am surprised at the lenght of time you are all dwelling on this stuff. The referees should be more vigilant and do their job.
What I think we might be better off doing is debating as to how we can beat that Mayo team.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 16:57
so stacks your changing your verdict from kerry being a cyncical team to a rough team,maybe you meant to say that kerry have responded to the environment they existed in and upped the physical nature of their play to survive in their pond.
when the anti is upped the law of the jungle is fine by me,dog eat dog and its the survival of the fittest,after all its a mans game played by extremely fit and strong young men.
what do we want from our senior county players in kerry?,sit back and let our holes be kicked like in'01 v meath,like in '02 when we colasped v armagh and had no answer and in '03 when we couldn't compete with tyrone neither mentally or physically.Do we want to see our forwards thrown around like rag dolls and have no one in around the house to see if their ok.
thats fine,we sit back and critisise them for the winter back home and tell them there this and that,our manager tell us were fcuking animals and we all take offence about it.
What do we expect the players to do,lie back,take the critism and be remembered as soft gutless players who picked up handy all-ireland medals.it doesnt work that way.
Can anyone prove without reasonable doubth that dara drove his knees in nic murphys back intentionally.Dara is a far smaller man than murphy,for dara to compete in the air with him he has to get a spring into his step.You cant achieve this from a standing position,you have to make a run,spring of your supporting left,rivot your hips and tuck your legs in up under your stomach to gain max height.Go out and try it,can you prove catigorically to me that this is not the case and that dara was not pushing himself to his limits to compete with a bigger man in the white hot furnace of an all-ireland semi final.
As regards galvin kicking the ball away,it was a tiny side step kick no more than 3 or 4 yards,hardly a hanging offence than in comparison to kicking a placed kick out ball away out of reach at the death of an all-ireland final to protect a one score lead.
As regards the limerick games,do we expect the kerry players to lie down and be out muscled by an oppossing team,hardly,they were the two games that made kerry in '04.
football has become a hard physical game full of verbals and sickening mouthing where players are continiously provoked,some respond,some dont,just ask zinidine zidane about it.
How do you know what was being said between galvin and geezer,can you prove there was or there wasn't,no you cant,its fine throwing accussations from the comfort and safety of the hogan stand.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by breakball on Yesterday at 17:57
totally agree with you kerrygold. its a fine line between cynicism and playing hard and gaining the advantages. i dont think weve crossed it.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by kerrygold on Yesterday at 18:11
its like this breakball,we wouldnt have won the national league without the form of dara o se and the limits he pushed himself throughout in the depths of winter.
armagh would have kicked us out of croke park without the inspiraional play of dara in the second half.he grabbed the team and the match by the scruff of neck and drove kerry forward.
Remember the very first two balls of the second half he won.He drove himself on to extreme limits,same v cork when he took on and beat nic murphy head to head.
without dara o se our season would have been anothing this year.
it erks me a wee bit to have his play construde as cynical play,its the play of a man pushing himself beond the beonds of his ability for his county and team mates.
i think we should be telling people like billy morgan where to shove their begrudgery.
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Re: All-Irl Senior Football Final 2006 : v Mayo
Post by Dermot on Yesterday at 19:08
Yesterday at 16:57, kerrygold wrote:
when the anti is upped the law of the jungle is fine by me,dog eat dog and its the survival of the fittest,after all its a mans game played by extremely fit and strong young men.
football has become a hard physical game full of verbals and sickening mouthing where players are continiously provoked,some respond,some dont,just ask zinidine zidane about it.
How do you know what was being said between galvin and geezer,can you prove there was or there wasn't,no you cant,its fine throwing accussations from the comfort and safety of the hogan stand.
KG, where on earth did this crazy idea that Kerry were "ever" a soft team physically ........... The idea that Kerry have suddenly instilled a hard edge into the team is rediculous.....Its always been there .... Win or loose Kerry were always a physical team, end of story - No one is saying there is anything wrong with that but for christs sake admit it at least !
Yesterday at 16:57, kerrygold wrote:
As regards galvin kicking the ball away,it was a tiny side step kick no more than 3 or 4 yards,hardly a hanging offence than in comparison to kicking a placed kick out ball away out of reach at the death of an all-ireland final to protect a one score lead.
My point in an earlier post on a different thread was that people should be consistent with their criticism/comments........ If it was a disgusting, cynical, pathetic thing for a player to do last year, why is it less of a sin to do it this year ........ Changing the exact scenario in which it happened shouldn't suddenly make it all right.
Basically, what I'm saying is that folk should be consistent...... You can't slag off other teams for doing things that you dudge perfectly ok when done by your own team..................... If you say a certain action is reprehensible for one, it should be so for all, and if its ok for one, then again it should be ok for all.
Consistency, fairness, honesty and pragmatism is whats called for !
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