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Post by kerryman on Oct 29, 2004 11:20:47 GMT
THis has come up again - Sean Kelly is under fire to justify the amateur status of players.
The effort players are putting in becomes even more obvious when they are training for 2005 already. I don't think expences is the way forward unless it is a countrywide flat rate for all senior intercounty panel members.
I think it should remain amateur for a number of reasons:
1)The GAA is hugely popular as it is, and that is partly down to the voluntary nature involved. People are doing it for the love of the games, not the money. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to play for Kerry for free if I was good enough.
2)JP Macmanus would form a new Chelski in Limerick and the same would happen in big wealthy counties all over. Places like Tipp, Wexford would get completely pillaged (for Browne and Forde)
3) Intercounty GAA players get a lot of perks in life - particularly when they waltz into jobs etc..
HOWEVER there are a number of things that need to change. Amongst them:
Fixture lists are insane (look at the Fermanagh footballers getting no holiday this year) Abuse from media and fans Voilence on the pitch and refereeing standards
The 1 year ban for players who transfer counties is a good idea.
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Post by Donal on Oct 31, 2004 14:04:26 GMT
Semi professional is the way to go.
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Post by FatTom on Nov 1, 2004 11:27:32 GMT
The boundaries being? Could you ellaboarate exactly what you mean by semi pro.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Nov 3, 2004 14:13:04 GMT
Whats wrong with the current system??....it would appear to me that in general.....the players are pretty happy with their lot....nearly every one of them is set up with a job if he is stuck.....look at the long list of players who are currently working for banks, insurnace brokers, sales reps for drinks co.s etc etc all round the country. most got the jobs with a little help from someone well connected in the county board....
From a different perspective...I feel that if players were getting paid, fans may lose their affinity for their county players
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 30, 2004 9:47:55 GMT
Semi pro..every one should get re imbursed
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Post by FatTom on Nov 30, 2004 10:38:11 GMT
I'm with Walter on this one. Jesus lads the Gooch is getting well looked after anyway Seamus was too and the 2 Hailpins had jobs in bank as well. Heard Gooch got 4 grand for the club orange add. Could someone define exactly what they mean by semi pro please.
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Post by seamus on Jan 25, 2005 15:15:46 GMT
I think the current system in certain counties is superb but in others it leaves a lot to be desired. The Kerry set up is one of the best in the country: - good expenses - high profile - full meals after training and games - plenty gear - good medical care (will get even better after the seamo debacle in 2004), ice baths, physio, doctors etc - holiday basically every year - good cooperation between players, management and co. board - plenty opportunities to earn cash opening pubs, shops, tv/radio ads etc. - several of the team have sponsored cars - several of the teams have cushy jobs/higher profile jobs
I think this is ideal for any inter county team
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Post by kerryman on Jan 25, 2005 17:43:54 GMT
Exactly, and by keeping the game amateur they will be more likely to have decent jobs when they quit football in their early 30s.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jan 27, 2005 16:22:13 GMT
Suggest ye have a read of the chapter in Eamonn Sweeneys book, "The Road to Croker", where he recalls a long chat he had with Mark Landers, Cork hurling captain in 1999 and who led the players strike in December 2002. Well worth a read to understand what the players want and how they are currently looked after (vis a vis jobs etc).
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Apr 21, 2006 15:15:54 GMT
Yea, I read that book, and came swiftly to the opinion that Landers is a risible loudmouthed moron. Sorry. His hurling career's gone stellar since, eh? Turned me off the whole concept. The worst argument of all has to be the "training/gym five nights a week" crap. An insult to all semi-serious club players. Even I exercise six nights a week, busy enough hospital job, and end up standing on the sidelines hoping for a five-minute run with my modest intermediate club in Sligo. Ergo, you can train all that and still be rubbish!
P.S. Will I get paid as well in the professional era? If not, where's the line?
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Post by dec on Apr 21, 2006 16:12:00 GMT
Expenses for all county players.....Thats whats happening right now...
The players are doing fine.. How can you change it anyway.. No guy playing for Kerry the next day is out of pocket or losing financially or otherwise because they are playing for Kerry..
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Post by Kerry4sam on Apr 23, 2006 19:46:18 GMT
Definitely do not turn Professional - that is not on what the GAA was founded, lets not forget that. They should remain amateurs. It's the intensified competition among counties that are making players turn up the work-load...The standards are now set extremely high but in all honestly - No pay for play, ever, in my opinion ; Travel expenses would be a far as i would go as they already get their meals, gear etc before and after matches, they really do get looked after well. Don't change a winning formula is what i say. Don't turn Professional!
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 4, 2006 16:20:00 GMT
2)JP Macmanus would form a new Chelski in Limerick and the same would happen in big wealthy counties all over. Places like Tipp, Wexford would get completely pillaged (for Browne and Forde)
Exactly. And I can only imagine that the next place they'd aim for would be Kerry and then we'd be robbed of all our pure talent because of the pull of good money (which you couldn't blame players for).
Keep it amateur but make sure the players are well looked after.
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